Scottish Labour have finally learned the lessons of two decades of defeats and realised what they need is another soul-crushing machine politician from Lanarkshire that no-one has ever heard of. Better late than never. https://t.co/4i1D5Labcq
— James Kelly (@JamesKelly) August 16, 2026
I'm sure all of us sometimes make exaggerated or over-simplified criticisms of unionist organisations for partisan reasons, but I really do feel the sentiment in the tweet above is 100% fair comment. Quite literally the more Scottish Labour fail, the less they seem to learn. I sometimes wonder if Labour constantly think back to the 'good old days' when Scottish people would vote for anything in a red rosette and assume that means soul-crushing machine politicians from Lanarkshire are actually incredibly popular, and that the voters are just having an inexplicably prolonged break from following their natural desires.
A bigger issue is perhaps that Scottish Labour's branch office status prevents them from taking any action to solve the problem even if they ever get to the point of correctly identifying it. When UK Labour lose to the Tories, they generally move a bit to the right to win voters back from the Tories, just as David Cameron moved the Tories a bit to the left to win voters back from Labour. But when Scottish Labour lose to the SNP, they can't take the logical step of meeting the voters they've lost to the SNP halfway, because their bosses in London won't let them do that "for the greater UK good". So instead all they've got left is to pathetically beg SNP voters to "please stop caring about that thing you really care about, we're going to do the total opposite of what you want but please just vote for us anyway", and wonder why that doesn't work any better on the fifth attempt than it did on the first. Having said that, it did kind of work as a one-off in 2024 due to special circumstances, which is the worst thing that could possibly have happened to Labour because they'll now be even more baffled when it doesn't work again.
I always say that every election in which the SNP shy away from the de facto referendum route to winning independence is just a monumental waste of time, because it doesn't really create an alternative way forward, it just postpones the inevitable. A de facto ref is the only viable option, and that penny will inevitably drop eventually, so it's just a question of how many years or decades we waste before arriving at that unavoidable destination. In precisely the same way, every election in which Labour run away from finally making their peace with Yes supporters simply delays any chance of a Labour comeback, because making their peace with Yes supporters is the only way a comeback is possible and they'll inevitably reach that conclusion at some point. It's not inconceivable that Monica Lennon could have successfully reached out to Yes voters, but it is totally inconceivable that Joe Fagan or Michael Marra will, so the way things are shaping up Labour will just end up wasting yet another five years.
What would Labour making its peace with Yes-voting Scotland look like? It wouldn't look like Labour becoming a pro-indy party, but it probably would mean them coming up with a credible and concrete answer to the perfectly reasonable question: "if the UK is a voluntary union, how does Scotland leave if it wants to?" Their answer wouldn't necessarily have to resemble the one that pro-indy parties would want - it could be a fresh solution that addresses any concerns Labour themselves have about exercises in self-determinations, assuming that any of those concerns are not totally bogus. If they genuinely believe that 2014-style referendums are too disruptive, for example, they could simply stipulate themselves that any mandate should be sought in a scheduled election, and that whether pro-indy parties win more than 50% of the vote in combination would be the test of success or failure. It's quite a challenging threshold for the Yes side, after all, so why fear it if you truly believe that Scots aren't that fussed about indy?
The bottom line is, though, that Scottish Labour will have to painfully come to terms with something that Northern Ireland unionists came to terms with nearly three decades ago when they signed the Good Friday Agreement - ie. that the territory they live in will henceforth have the right and the ability to choose to leave the UK in practice and not just in theory.
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Are you sure he wasn’t in Oliver!
ReplyDeleteAn election cannot ever, by definition, be a de facto referendum.
ReplyDeleteWell said.
DeleteOf course it can’t, the de facto referendum thing is a complete nonsense.
If anyone doubts KC's commitment to the cause, we've just witnessed him getting up at 6.56am to say something and then agree with himself.
DeleteI’m afraid you’ve got it wrong again James!
Delete7:24 was me, but 6:56 WASN’T.
Looks like I’m not the only unionist on here. Either that or he/she is one of the more sensible independence supporters!
Anyway I’m off for now, got other things to be getting on with.
I'm afraid you've made an error here, KC. 6.56 and 7.24 were BOTH me.
DeleteThat's right.
DeleteRubbish. It was me.
DeleteThe gremlins have come out to play. No wonder you normally have pre moderation on. These people are pathetic.
DeleteKC thinks he is Spartacus fighting for the freedom of Westminster to rule Scotland. A mixed up person who like Sturgeon should get therapy.
DeleteJames, you say that pro independence parties getting over 50% of the votes in an election is”quite a challenging threshold”.
ReplyDeleteYet you keep telling us the “settled will klaxon” has sounded!!!
Hi again, KC.
DeleteDon't get hung up on the word "referendum". It's the *mandate* that counts
ReplyDeleteIt's a *mandate* that a de facto referendum can provide, regardless of the label put on it.
DeleteLooking at the Wiki page, Scottish Parliament elections, Labour have been in a steady decline (seats & regional vote share) since the inception of Holyrood in 1999. They weren’t the official opposition in the last Parliamentary term, and despite the right wing vote being split between the Tories and Reform, they have somehow contrived to end up second equal in seats with Reform.
ReplyDeleteLabour (Scottish branch office) have lost their ability to control their own fortunes. Whoever follows Anas Sarwar will be dependent on London Labour to improve their situation. Burnham isn’t so foreign policy obsessed as Starmer so some of the Burnham bounce could leak north of the border.
Scottish Labour’s last surrogate bastion, the STUC is bleating about the Scottish Government’s plans to cut the public sector wage bill by 0.5% per year for five years. John Swinney says the cuts will predominantly come from back-room staff and front-line services will be protected. The STUC say that back-room staff (their members and the funds for the six figure salaries for the union leaders) are essential.
Service delivery in NHS Fife would be improved minus Isla Bumba the Equality and Human Rights Lead Officer. The 29 year old biological woman who despite undergoing approximately two hundred menstrual cycles is uncertain what her chromosomes are. There are literally thousands of “Isla Bumbas” distributed around the public sector in Scotland.
John Swinney has promised to rationalise the burgeoning and out of control QUANGO gravy train. That would be an excellent start.
CMAL (utterly incompetent) and the Water Industry Commission for Scotland (corrupt) exist only because of interpretation of EU law and we ain’t in the EU anymore. The requirements of the competition agreements we reached with the EU hardly apply to CMAL and the WICS. In any case, the European Commission only care about perpetuating their war against Russia, and they let pretty much every infraction of their rules within full members of the EU slide. Historic Environment Scotland are a perpetual source of scandal. The likes of Zero Waste Scotland are as much use as an ashtray on a motorcycle.
9.32am didn’t he also promise to do something about Scottish independence? I voted SNP for Independence not for quangos that the SNP set up to be sorted. There has not been a decent independence leader since Salmond.
DeleteYet he lost the main vote by being outwitted by Cameron.
DeleteAnon@5.37pm I said decent not a winning independence leader. So how was he outwitted by Cameron?
DeleteWhen Murrell pleaded guilty Sturgeon issued a statement and said she would make no further comment. She has never shut up since then. She just loves playing the victim and trying to get the gullible numpties to feel sorry for her.
ReplyDeleteHer latest wheeze is to cry that she needs therapy. Does this mean all criminals should get therapy to help them get over all their wrong doings? No Sturgeon should be doing time like most criminals but unlike most criminals Sturgeon had friends in high places.
The only consolation for the SNP numpties who still "love " Sturgeon " the rock star " is that Labour numpties are even bigger gullible numpties.
Yawn
Delete10.58am it would appear that you should stop staying up all night posting rubbish on blogs and get to bed.
DeleteAch there is always John the Redactor Swinney. Listen to him talk for 5 mins and you will be sound asleep
DeleteIfs, you’re bang out of order with your criticism of Nicola Sturgeon.
DeleteWater is understandably becoming the crisis topic in the UK.
ReplyDeleteBurnham has already authorised inflation bursting increases to annual water bills in England & Wales. Now he’s proposing incremental, additional increases to bills during periods of drought. Also, bans on private swimming pools and commercial car washes are proposed.
At the same time, Angela Rayner is proposing to speed up private house building on Green belt, including in the drought plagued SE of England. More concrete, tarmac, AstroTurf and wooden decking, resulting in increased water run-off in an area dependent on ground water aquifers. Joined up thinking? Doh!
Not that making Green belt land available for private housing will improve their problem anyway. The house builders will just “land bank” and build at a snail’s pace to keep their retail prices high. Any eejit considering the issue for more than half an hour would realise this. The solution lies in new Council housing for rent, but that would be a deviation from Thatcherite orthodoxy and that’s never going to happen.
When Burnham announces billions to bail out Thames Water (and other English utilities) Swinney must demand a proportional cut under Barnett funding consequentials.
The last Welsh government demanded Barnett money in relation to the billions blown on HS2, and they got zero. Welsh Labour went from perpetual first place in Senedd elections, to a distant third.
This is all anyone needs to know about the future of "Scottish" Labour:
ReplyDeletehttps://archive.is/0MXNj
"Monica Lennon has failed to secure enough nominations to enter the Scottish Labour leadership contest, leaving Michael Marra and Joe Fagan in a two-way race to replace Anas Sarwar."
It doesn't have one.
I'm glad Monica Lennon has her finger on the pulse. What lapsed Labour voters want is more discussion on trans rights. Such a pity she didn't get through. That would really have us clamouring back
ReplyDeleteMichael Marra? Joe Fagan? Gamechangers.
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