The controversial Faragist blogger Stuart Campbell, known almost universally as "Stew", urged his followers to help elect a Labour government at the 2024 general election on a tactical anti-SNP basis. It's unsurprising, then, that he hasn't coped at all well with the news that the SNP remain well ahead of both Labour and his beloved Reform UK in the first full-scale Scottish poll of the Burnham era, but I'm afraid to say that the blogpost he's written in response to the poll contains a number of inaccuracies and misleading claims - a major shock to us all, I'm sure. Let's go through some of the key points in his post and see how they compare with factual reality.
"Not done with celebrating defeat in an imaginary UDI yesterday, The National has gone with another big polling-based front cover today"
That's very peculiar wording. What does "defeat" in the context of UDI, whether real or imaginary, actually look like? It would probably look like failure to attract international recognition for the new state, but you'd be well past the point of caring about domestic opinion polls by that point. And yet all that Stew is referring to there is another question in the poll showing that 45% of voters in Scotland would support UDI even in current circumstances, which he apparently thinks is some sort of poor result. Most commentators in fact believe it's an astoundingly high figure. It's certainly much higher than I would have predicted if I'd known that question was about to be asked.
"That 29% figure [in Westminster voting intentions] is actually one point DOWN on the SNP’s support in the last UK election, at which they lost 39 MPs and recorded their worst result in 14 years."
Technically true as far as it goes, but the latter part of the sentence looks fairly redundant given that Stew actually preceded it with a screenshot of John Curtice projecting that 29% would see the SNP win 30 seats - a massive increase of 21 from that disappointing previous general election result. That's the nature of first-past-the-post - a party's own vote share is far less important than the size of their lead or deficit in relation to other parties. That's why Labour's trivial increase from 32% to 34% transformed a landslide defeat for Jeremy Corbyn in 2019 into a landslide victory for Keir Starmer in 2024, and it's why the SNP could lose a percentage point or two in vote share at the next election and still treble or quadruple their number of seats. If that happens, Stew is going to look faintly ridiculous if he tries saying "yeah, but just think how bad the result would have been for them if it was still 2024". It's not still 2024, Stew. Get over it.
"It’s also a whopping NINE points down on their constituency vote in the Holyrood election just three months ago"
That's a very silly apples-and-oranges comparison. In February, a Find Out Now poll showed the SNP five points lower on Westminster voting intentions than on Holyrood constituency voting intentions. You can't compare the SNP Holyrood constituency vote in May with a Westminster voting intention poll now and say it shows a drop in support for the SNP, because it doesn't and can't possibly show any such drop. It's simply a measure of a completely different thing.
"It is by any measure a miserable set of figures for John Swinney’s party"
Well, it's not a miserable set of figures by *ANY* measure, now is it, Stew, I mean let's be serious here. One obvious measure is the number of seats that the SNP would win, and on that measure it's a stellar set of figures for the SNP. Another obvious measure is how the SNP's vote share compares with Labour's, and on that measure it's a stellar set of figures for the SNP. A third obvious measure is how the SNP's vote share compares with Reform UK's, and on that measure it's...well, you get the idea.
"30 seats at Westminster would of course be worthless in any practical sense anyway. In recent years we’ve seen the SNP have 56 out of 59, and we’ve seen them hold the balance of power in a hung Parliament, and neither situation was weaponised to any discernible effect."
That's simply untrue. The SNP haven't held the balance of power in a hung parliament since the late 1970s, and it would be a bit of a stretch to call that "recent years". But when they were in that position they successfully 'weaponised' it to really quite remarkable effect, directly bringing about the Scotland Act 1978, which would have resulted in a devolved Scottish Assembly being set up if it hadn't been for the Cunningham wrecking amendment. Since 1979, there have been just two hung parliaments, and the SNP held the balance of power in neither. Alas, it was utterly impossible for the SNP to 'weaponise' something that only existed in Stew's fevered imagination. In reality, it was the Liberal Democrats who held the balance of power in the 2010 hung parliament, and it was the DUP who held the balance of power in the 2017 hung parliament.
The odds remain against the SNP holding the balance of power after the next election, but if it does happen it'll be the very first time in recent years. We'll just have to see if they use that opportunity as skillfully as they did last time around in the days of Jim Callaghan.
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This is Post 2 of "Seven Days of Retro Scot Goes Pop" - a shameless gimmick in which I attempt to solve this blog's funding problems in the space of a week with a conventional text-blogging marathon to help promote my Ko-Fi donations page, during which period pre-moderation in the comments section will be switched off. My target for the week is to either get up to 60 regular monthly supporters on Ko-Fi (as of this evening I have 19), or to reach £1500 in one-off donations to the page, or some sort of combination of a bit of both. In an equally shameless attempt to coax KC's stinking rich Tory landowner chums in Surrey into helping to fund Scot Goes Pop, I have pledged to try to leave pre-moderation switched off even after the seven days are over, but only if at least one of the targets is met in full. Yes, it's time to play hardball with our resident "Nessie" enthusiast.
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Opinium Westminster voting intention, field work 12 - 14 Aug, sample population 2,050.
ReplyDeleteHeadline: Labour 2% lead no change.
Lab 27% (n/c), Con 18% (+1), RefUK 25% (n/c), LibDem 10% (n/c), Green 11% (n/c).
Scottish sub-sample (139)
Con 8%, Lab 24%, LibDem 4%, SNP 30%, RefUK 13%, Green 12%.
Electoral Calculus model with Scottish finesse.
Labour 59 seats short of outright majority.
Lab 267, RefUK 194, LibDem 69, Con 56, SNP 34, Green 7, Plaid 3.
In Scotland, Labour have an unusually high retention of seats. Two stuck on constituencies and about 12 marginals. Of course the Greens (Scotland) showing of 12% is unusually high and it’s doubtful they would stand in a whole bunch of seats and their vote may be SNP transferable, so the SNP would take additional seats at the expense of Labour. Against this, the SNP seat tally of 34 is high due to the particularly low polling of the Tories (8%) and the LibDems (4%).
It’s FPTP folks, tiny variances result in big differences. The SNP could gain half a dozen seats from Labour and loose a couple each to the Tories and the LibDems.
Encouraging to see the pro Indy vote share above 40% in the sub sample.
DeleteDo you remember when Nicola Sturgeon cut a deal with the Tories to let them have their Brexit in exchange for a second referendum?
ReplyDeleteNeither do I.
Great point, GhavGrim. No such deal happened because the SNP didn't hold the balance of power in the 2017 parliament. However, I do seem to remember making that point myself in the blogpost. I think it's great, though, that you took the time to drop by and reinforce my point. Lovely enthusiasm.
DeleteAnd yet we remain stuck in a cul-de-sac.
ReplyDelete"Independence" *is* a cul-de-sac with nothing at the end of it but higher taxes, economic collapse and defencelessness.
DeleteMorning, KC.
DeleteKC can I suggest you go away and travel the world to pass on your pearls of wisdom to all the independent countries across the globe who are stuck in your cul-de-sac.
DeleteI’m afraid James and anon@12:56 are both wrong!
DeleteIt was not me posting @10:24.
KC is right. Look at every independent country in the world - Bhutan, UK, Paraguay. Disastrous. If nobody was independent there would be lower taxes, the opposite of economic collapse and a lot of defencefulness.
DeleteKC is right is not something I expect to hear from anyone other than KC.
DeleteOn the point of SNP and last one they held balance of power - obviously you’re correct,, James.
ReplyDeleteOne interesting period was under PM May. She was trying to get her version of Brexit passed in the Commons. Her party had a Commons majority but she personally had no majority for that version of Brexit.
Not arguing the issue either way, but. The SNP MPs could have done a deal with her on other stuff to pass her Brexit and save her premiership. They easily had the votes to do so and SNP leverage was very high. I’m not talking indyref2, just day-to-day stuff important to Scotland. The SNP living up to the “managerialism” tag truly for once.
I’m not saying that Stew meant any of this. Just my musings.
Meant to add: obviously Brexit happened anyway, with SNP MPs’ votes. Just a different version of Brexit. And, equally obviously, Scotland voted Remain. What I’m alluding to above would’ve required plenty of pragmatism over principle, with a heavy dose of Brexit fatalism thrown in for good measure.
DeleteNo, that's categorically wrong, and it actually is precisely what Stew meant. When I said the SNP didn't have the balance of power in the 2017 parliament, I meant it literally and comprehensively. The sort of deal you and Stew are suggesting with Theresa May was arithmetically impossible. Anyone who knows anything about May knows she would never have entertained such a deal anyway, but even if she had done, any votes she had gained from the SNP would have been more than offset by the loss of votes from many of her own backbenchers, who would never have backed a soft Brexit conditional on a Scottish independence referendum.
DeleteI did start off my post by saying that it wasn’t a hung parliament situation and they you were correct to say that….
DeleteBut alas, that's not true either! The 2017-19 parliament *was* a hung parliament from beginning to end - it's just that the SNP didn't hold the balance of power within it.
Deleteok, well, I shall have to own that then lol
DeleteThis is just typical of how things are thesd days and it makes my blood boil. Just look at the schools. In my day the older boys would tell you that a gesture where the hand moves up showing all four fingers and thumb meant Do you want a ride? If the girl did the same back it meant Yes I want a ride. If it was only two fingers it meant F**k Off. It was crystal clear. Nowadays playgroups are bringing in people like Danny La Rue and Dick Emery to speak to 3 year olds about weird stuff and train them up to be lesbians. And they call it progress.
Delete* without SNP MPs’ votes, earlier typo - sorry.
ReplyDeleteSwitching pre-moderation off is not intended as a cue for a bunch of cultists from another site to waste my time asking an endless string of cretinous questions, so I only intend to say this once, but in direct response to the two comments I've just deleted: pre-moderation has been continuously switched off since Friday night, which you are perfectly well aware of, because all of your comments since then have been auto-published. What you are actually moaning about is the deletion of your comments at some point AFTER publication, which is POST-moderation, not PRE-moderation. Got the distiction now? Great. Now go away and be disruptuve somewhere else, there's a good chap.
ReplyDeleteStill not putting up my posts that you claimed were full of quesfions? Oh dear. Your pants must be ablaze. No wonder you are struggling for numbers. Sad really.
DeleteThe SNP used to contest elections to seek a democratic mandate to end WM rule. Sadly, being elected to WM or HR is the SNP's measure of success.
ReplyDeleteThe SNP "policy" of politely requesting permission for an indyref is like saying: if elected, I will send a very nice letter to the North Pole to ask Santa to bring Scottish independence on his sleigh. We all know it's not going to happen.
I’m thinking of calling it a day on your site James, if perhaps we could come to a deal.
ReplyDeleteIf you were to dial down just a wee bit on the propaganda, I think I could resist the temptation to post. You have to admit yourself, you’re guilty of some pretty extreme nationalist propaganda. I know you don’t tolerate unionist propaganda, so why should I tolerate nationalist propaganda?
I think it’s a pretty fair offer, you dial down just a bit on the propaganda, and I’ll call it a day and leave you in peace.
Tory landowners not coughing up for you, then? No deal, KC. It doesn't bother me in the slightest if I have to see your comments in the moderation queue. No-one else can see them, and that's all that matters.
DeleteWell I’m a strong unionist, and unable to tolerate extreme nationalist propaganda.
DeleteUnionism is, by definition, a sign of weakness not strength.
DeleteIndependence supporters don’t like to hear or read the truth.
DeleteAs Jones used to say in Dads Army, they don’t like it up em.
Hi K C. Strong unionist? Staunch perhaps? You come across as a complete wanker on here. Most “strong unionists” do. Seeking validation on here suggests you are in need of help. Why not stick to the daily Mail and the Express. More your level and your kind of
Deletepolitics.
Anon@2:06pm,
DeleteA rather sad individual!
Anon at 3.02. A public confession? Well done you.
DeleteJames Kelly: Desperately Seeking Stuart
ReplyDeleteSean Clerkin: desperately grovelling to Stu.
DeleteScot Goes Poop-Plop
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