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Looks like poor wee Stewie's plan to destroy the SNP is going well 😂😂😂
ReplyDeletePoor Stew.
Delete"SNP on course to win 51 of the 57 Scottish seats at Westminster ..."
ReplyDeleteThat's handy. If by 2029 there's no progress on Independence, those 51 SNP MPs will be able to come out with all sorts of motions about the Royalty and fox-hunting in England. I guess you'd be able to call them the, wait for it, wait for it, the Duke Nukem party. With the Empire's last hope, Stephen Flynn on keyboards.
You sound like Bawheid Boy.
DeleteIf you lived in Scotland you'd know that Barrhead is a small town south of Paisley, and maybe keep your insults to yourself, though if it's Pratts Bottom you live in maybe you're used to it.
DeleteApart from that it seems you are analytically useless, and perhaps I'm giving you way too many letters after the "are".
Anons like 11.17am are a waste of space. One line ad homs are their trademark.
DeleteConsidering where he lives he's Barcelona Boy, just as Campbell is Bath Boy.
DeleteYI2 - Give us a break from your prattling.
ReplyDeleteIt’s all well and good but until the snp and other independence parties are on well over 50% , like unionist parties have been for 90% of the last 100 years, I don’t see how we take it forward.
ReplyDeleteI’d rather snp than the others, at least they’ll stand up for Scotland to some extent, but actual independence action will need more for it to happen.
We need a freshness to it all. Feel like we’re in a holding mode for now until something happens to bring that freshness back. Ironically, winning just enough over the others doesn’t help. And neither does losing either- bit of a pickle.
Bring the freshness back?......you need....."SHAKE N' VAC ! "
Delete51 out of 57. By anyone’s reckoning that is a substantial majority. I expect the SNP to declare independence if that occurred.
ReplyDeleteAnon at 8.31pm you will need a new SNP leadership for that to happen.
DeleteIt now looks like there will never be another independence referendum via Holyrood. Neither a section 30 or a de facto referendum will happen this year. The way forward has to be for SNP members to install a leadership who really want independence to declare that a majority of SNP MPs at the next UK election will be a mandate for independence and independence will be declared. Only 29MPs required but 51 would be very nice especially if Ian Murray could finally get the boot.
DeleteSadly, I doubt the SNP has the courage to do this, so once again the party that wants to own independence will fail independence.
Cue intelligent critical analysis. You must be joking, it is SGP.
Cue ignorant nasty SNP trolls with personal abuse.
There's definitely a precedent for that. In 2015 the SNP won 56 of 59 Scottish seats on an independence mandate then barely mentioned the word for the next two years.
Deleteand what is your cunning plan?
DeleteIFS is criticising the very type of action he engages in every day. The lack of self awareness is staggering, and as always it’s an anti SNP rant.
DeleteAnon8:31 They didn't do it in 2015 when they had 56 out of 59
Delete2015 was fought by the SNP on implementing Smith for more devolution, not Indy. That's why they got 56 out of 59.
DeleteOnly one of the nasty SNP trolls has popped up out of the gutter at 3.03pm. The lack of self awareness is with these trolls. They are always going on about what is your plan IFS since 2020. I stated it many many times over the years but back they came asking the same question as if I had never said anything. So are they liars or do they not read SGP.
DeleteNow I have put forward a new proposal the troll at 3.03pm ignores it. What proposals have the trolls ever put forward - nothing at all. They just do what the SNP tell them to do. They would try and kick their own backsides if Swinney told them to do it.
Ifs - the poor persons clickbait
DeleteAnon at 10.15. You realise you are describing yourself? Silly billy.
Delete10.15am so that is yourself you are describing. A poor person who falls for clickbait. Not many people are so honest about themselves. If you really are poor remember there will be a foodbank near you.
DeleteSeems to be a very strong response to your assessment of the sub-poll from the unionists and anti-SNP brigade on your twitter feed. That indicates to he that they are worried. It seems to me that the SNP got a bump from its conference. If their 4% of the share of the UK polling can hold until January and then an election campaign which can deliver the required number of second votes for a Holyrood majority may be a genuine possibility.
ReplyDeleteWinning an SNP majority is virtually impossible. There are no polling figures saying otherwise. At best they will form a minority govt depending on the level of fighting among the other parties, and they have set a disastrous precedent for future elections which is going to haunt us. No one intent on Indy would do that. Career devolutionists on the other hand?
DeleteIf their 4% of the share of the UK polling can hold until January and then an election campaign which can deliver the required number of second votes for a Holyrood majority may be a genuine possibility.
DeleteAnd then? There's no democratic reason why anyone should consider that more of a mandate for independence or a referendum than a single-party majority, and WM have certainly never said that they would. So what's the point?
I don't think Reform can have a lot of tactical voting, I know many progressive people who would never vote for a fascist party.
ReplyDeleteThis time a split in the unionist vote is very possibile
westminsters position will be untenable
ReplyDeleteswinney's inaction is a masterful deception designed to fool the westminster regime
ReplyDeletegiven SNP has 50 MPs and the reform will have 440, I don't see how it benefits us
ReplyDelete- does erskine may detail a procedure whereby we can get a "power up" or a "playing the joker" and our MPs count 10 times for a brief period?
didn't margater thatcher once say a majority of scottish MPs are westminster in favour of independence would be sufficient to start negotiations
ReplyDeleteIt's widely attributed but there doesn't seem to be much primary evidence that she did say that
DeleteShe did.
DeleteIt’s often said Thatcher said it in her autobiography. It doesn’t matter.What counts is having a leadership that will say the majority of Scotland’s representatives in this House have a mandate to leave the union. So goodbye.
DeleteI think it is important to nail this down; I have heard it is "debunked".
DeleteThe general point is this : the unionists will attempt to move the goalposts at every opportunity - in the scotsman a while back an appalling article about 60% for a win, or 66 or 75, but worse - we need to have 3 referendums, and you need 2 out of 3, with 10 years between each. The bastards are trying to con us. The ukgov can win an "overwhelming majority" with 13M votes.
https://archive.ph/qxU3O
According to the ferret in 2023 it's unsupported.
Deletehttps://theferret.scot/thatcher-snp-majority-independence-unsupported/
A statement from her 1993 autobiography, The Downing Street Years, may be the source that a misquote has developed from.
"As a nation, they [the Scots] have an undoubted right to national self-determination; thus far they have exercised that right by joining and remaining in the Union.
Should they determine on independence no English party or politician would stand in their way, however much we might regret their departure. What the Scots (nor indeed the English) cannot do, however, is to insist upon their own terms for remaining in the Union, regardless of the views of the others.
If the rest of the United Kingdom does not favour devolved government, then the Scottish nation may seek to persuade the rest of us of its virtues; it may even succeed in doing so; but it cannot claim devolution as a right of nationhood inside the Union.”
"She did."
DeleteSo much for Keaton having no evidence.
The fight now is in the SNP branches. A majority of activists at the conference supported the supine line of the leadership. We have to convince more party members that the present leadership is not up to the task of independence.
ReplyDeleteLooking on the bright side, about 30% of delegates had the guts to fight it out. Time is tight but the situation is not hopeless.
Alt Clut says: " We have to convince more party members that the present leadership is not up to the task of independence." Correct.
DeleteI have been doing that on SGP for 5 years and all I get is personal abuse and you are a Unionist. These trolls on SGP do not paint a pretty picture of the type of people who are SNP members. Perhaps they are the ones who are really the unionists and want to keep a leadership in place that will do nothing about independence.
You have been conducting a campaign steeped in vitriol and misogyny. You deserve what comes your way. You are not really interested in Indy. By your own admission you have never done a single thing to help the Indy cause. WOS is your natural home but not even Campbell will entertain you. Ask yourself why that is.
DeleteIt's high time that IfS joined the SNP and campaigned for change instead of whinging about them here.
DeleteSays IFS who's a Tory troll
Delete" By your own admission " more lies from this troll at 1.01pm. As if I would admit anything to this lowlife. Perhaps Campbell would indeed not entertain me as he does not entertain any comments about the genocide in Gaza. So these trolls at 2.07pm and 7.34pm are likely to be unionists.
DeleteThe Britnat media focus on Israel getting its 20 dead back from Gaza so they can be buried properly but ignore the fact that it is estimated more tha 10,000 Palestinians are dead and buried under rubble and their families also want to bury their dead. However, Israel is refusing entry to equipment and people to help find the bodies including their own Israeli bodies. Gaza is still an occupied land. Palestine is still an occupied land. Israel is governed by a Prime Minister who is a wanted war criminal.
ReplyDeleteIsrael is a zionist terrorist colonial project.
DeleteMr Kavanagh of WGD fame says: " The only way that Scotland will be respected by Westminster is by playing hard- ball, and by adopting a far more assertive and bold attitude."
ReplyDeleteA few points on this comment.
1. I agree that this should be the approach of the Scotgov.
2. He is wrong to think Westminster will ever respect Scotland. England believes it owns Scotland.
3. The chance that Swinney or any of the devolutionists will ever do this about devolution never mind independence is ZERO. Along with his pal Douglas Alexander, Swinney runs Scotland on behalf of Westminster. Did Swinney say to Starmer that things will run more smoothly in Scotland if my pal wee Dougie takes over from Murray and bingo he has got the job.
4. Westminster takes away our European citizenship. What do we get - Blowhard Blackford saying we will not be taken out of the EU against our will. We were taken out and it was without a whimper by the SNP.
5. Westminster make it clear that as far as they are concerned we have no right of self determination. A basic right of all peoples. What do we get - a few mutterings about a democratic deficit.
6. . Kavanagh criticises the SNP/Scotgov yet where are trolls trolling him.
Go back to sleep and gie us peace. Kavanagh made a valid criticism based on fact. You talk gibberish based on your hatred and misogyny.
DeleteBoozy old fruitface has uncorked early, I see. As Bette Davies' character said in All About Eve, "Fasten your seatbelts. It's going to be a bumpy night". Expect her tired old faithfuls , "numpty" and "troll" to make an appearance as she gets more and more blitzed and enraged. She's a fun lady.
DeletePop up trolls surface from their gutter at 12.55pm and 3.44pm.
Delete12.55pm accuses me of "misogyny". There is no mention of any female in that post or has Blowhard transitioned and I missed this event.
Bette Davis - just how old are you 3.44pm.
These two trolls very kindly demonstrate the point I have made previously. No intelligent comment on my points just personal abuse.
It’s about time that people recognised the fact that the Treaty of Union was not agreed unanimously by the Parliamentarians of Scotland. It was only a treacherous majority. A majority of Scottish MPs in Westminster have every right to declare that the union is over.
ReplyDeleteAye , the commissioners were bribed with money and grants o land in England!
DeleteSo STV forgot to mention tonight that although Scotland has 60% of the fishing catch waters it is only to receive 8% of funding. How generous of labour in England. Surely Scotland can do better on its own.
ReplyDeleteJames - regarding your Unionists anti-SNP tactical voting point. Broadly, I agree with you. But not when in cases where Reform are the main chance in a constituency to defeat the SNP (how many seats are there like that?) You made your views about the LibDems very clear, not a progressive party etc. But progressive or otherwise, LibDems absolutely DESPISE the Reform party, e.g. see Brexit. Likewise other Unionist parties that are clearly progressive: the Greens & Somebody's Party, plus what remains of the Left of the Labour Party. That doesn't leave all that many tactical voting liable Unionists for Reform to squeeze in seats where it's realistically going to be them or the SNP that prevail.
ReplyDeleteReform are genuinely not like other Unionist parties in that many non-Reform Unionist will refuse to vote for them tactically under any circumstances.
Good news for the SNP in those seats :-)