Tuesday, May 6, 2025

Particularly portentous poll leaves Plaid Cymru poised for POWER

Thank you to Rhun for emailing from Wales (it wasn't Rhun ap Iorweth, by the way!) to alert me to the sensational new Senedd poll from YouGov.

Welsh Senedd voting intentions (YouGov / ITV Cymru Wales & Cardiff University)

Plaid Cymru 30% (+6)
Reform UK 25% (+2)
Labour 18% (-5)
Conservatives 13% (-6)
Liberal Democrats 7% (+2)
Greens 5% (-1)

I remember saying after a recent Welsh poll from a different firm had shown a Plaid increase, it might be logical to expect that YouGov - which had already shown Plaid in a slight lead - might show a bigger Plaid lead in their next poll.  I'm not sure I really expected that to materialise, but it's exactly what's happened.  Clearly there are house effects at play here, and different polling firms could well continue showing different parties in the lead until polling day a year from now - which could make the election count even more nerve-jangling than usual.

One important caveat to put on the YouGov numbers is that the fieldwork took place entirely before the English local elections, so if Reform are benefiting in Wales from any momentum generated on Thursday, that won't show up until future polls.

I don't know if the Labour First Minister Eluned Morgan knew this poll was coming before she crafted her speech distancing herself from the right-wing London Labour, but she must have had a fair idea of the threat she faces from the left in the shape of Plaid.  I'm not sure her tactic will work, though.  If people are scunnered enough with Labour to be seeking out a radical alternative on the left, they'll want the real thing, rather than the pale imitation of Labour offering a half-hearted alternative to itself.  Additionally, the Plaid leader Rhun ap Iorweth looks the part as a future First Minister, and his past as a former BBC presenter lends him the reassuring status of a long-familiar face, so I'm not sure potential Plaid voters will lose their nerve in any way.

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A constant refrain of mine over the last few years is that the SNP have got to stop needlessly chucking away parliamentary seats like confetti, but here we go again.  Stephen Flynn and Stephen Gethins have both been confirmed as Holyrood constituency candidates, and because of the new ban on dual mandates, that probably means there will be two Westminster by-elections, and in the worst-case scenario that could reduce the SNP's Westminster representation from nine seats to seven.  Aberdeen South looks like a particularly tricky seat to defend.  

There's not much more to say - I and plenty of others have warned against the folly of doing this, and as per usual those warnings have gone totally unheeded, so now the dye is cast we'll just have to hope the SNP run better by-election campaigns than they did in Rutherglen.  And if the purpose of getting Stephen Flynn into Holyrood is to stop Kate Forbes becoming First Minister in the medium-term, I have to point out again that the polling evidence is clear - Forbes remains significantly more voter-friendly than Flynn, who probably puts a segment of the electorate off by coming across as too belligerent.

34 comments:

  1. I'm no fan of Stephen Flynn, but the same goes for him as for previous people (Cherry for instance I think) - they should not be stopped from moving back home - same as for any worker. That's slave labour.

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    1. Slave labour is when you can't resign. Nobody is trying to stop him becoming a farmer or an antique dealer.

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    2. He's applying for another job before resigning his old one. Anyone who doesn't do that is either desperate or a fool. He's a human being, not owned body and soul by the SNP with a ring through his nose like a prize bull.

      Running out of metaphors 'n that now.

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    3. If you're running out before finding one that works, it may be that your basic point is suspect.

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    4. Sharon Donoghue is really creepy

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  2. To be completely contrary, from Regan and Alba Ayrshire: "the First Minister should have put it front and centre of his Programme for Government"

    No.

    Swinney still needs to prove the SNP are capable of competent government which puts Scotland first after the last few years of, well, not doing so. Still plenty of time to bang the Indy drum, and bang it loud, louder and loudest. Next January will do nicely.

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    1. January February
      I don't understand
      Why it is you say you're leaving
      Then you turn around
      You won't settle down
      You've got both feet off the ground
      January February
      Don't you come around

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    2. Don't go breaking my heart
      I couldn't if I tried
      Oh, honey if I get restless
      Baby you're not that kind

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    3. Don't be a fool again
      I once believed that love was fair
      But I don't anymore, she said I'm a bore
      My heart hit the floor
      Don't be a fool anymore

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    4. I'm bored
      I'm the chairman of the bored
      I'm a lengthy monologue
      I'm livin' like a dog
      I'm bored

      Oh, wait ...
      I am a passenger
      And I ride, and I ride

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    5. Who's this? Who's this?
      This is a collect call from a clown
      You're a clown!
      I saw you at a party uptown
      Nobody even know you
      You just standing around
      You're a clown!

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    6. I've been dancin' on top of cars and stumblin' out of bars
      I follow you through the dark, can't get enough
      You're the medicine and the pain, the tattoo inside my brain
      And, baby, you know it's obvious

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    7. Ah shaddap-a you face

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    8. What's-a matter you?

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    9. The only thing I got from this year
      Was this eternal ringing in my ear
      From all the feedback and backchat and grief
      And my pockets got deeper than before
      I understand you've seen all of me
      I'm going to treat that accordingly
      Boy, I don't need that
      I don't need a thing
      Least of all this ring
      It's Christmas and you're boring me

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    10. Were you pair pissed when you posted all that guff?

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    11. I think we were bored.

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  3. Last thought for the night, and it's from the National:

    "Letters
    Those opposed to the far right in Scotland must unite behind the SNP
    "

    I don't care about the far right, but that IS a very eye-catching headline. As is this:

    "Labour have listened to the people and decided the people are wrong"

    Gentle humour always wins. Hearts and minds! Onwards and upwards!

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  4. yesindyref2 boring us all to death again

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  5. Francie Molloy is a tout.

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  6. I don't get the obsession with Kate Forbes. She's a capable politician but has no obvious leadership qualities at all. For me, her biggest asset is that she's likely to drive the hard left fringe of the SNP to the Scottish Greens if she were to become leader.
    Flynn is by far the better communicator and I don't understand people who are put off by his aggressive style. We are trying to gain our independence and asking nicely hasn't got us anywhere.

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    1. Forbes is popular with the voting public beyond the SNP. She is also very competent, something lacking in the last three or four years of Sturgeon’s reign. And she will not be held hostage by the Chapman faction which has caused huge damage to the Indy cause. I am left wing but the Scottish Greens in their present form have shown themselves utterly incompetent across a range of policies. They are not getting my list vote for the first time in three Holyrood elections, and I know others with similar left wing beliefs who think the same. Flynn I find no more effective than his predecessor. Huff and puff and nothing more, with poor judgement.

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    2. My worry with KF is that given a hypothetical choice of Flynn / Forbes the Unionists would pick Forbes. She is just a bit anonymous. I agree that quiet competence is infinitely preferable to the headline grabbing incompetence of Sturgeon's BHA government but I don't see her spearheading the Yes movement.

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    3. Anon 5.30 "I am left wing" 😂

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    4. I think she would need to be on a joint ticket with someone with charisma. Difficult to know who that would be right now. J S is very competent but lacks charisma. Reagan has burned her bridges I think, and would need closely managed in any event.

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    5. Anon at 8.36. What age are you? And do you actually have anything to say, or just infantile emojis?

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  7. https://www.thenational.scot/news/25141472.john-swinney-indyref2-possible-snp-do-really-well-2026/

    "John Swinney: Indyref2 possible if SNP 'do really well' in 2026"

    It certainly isn't if they don't prioritise Independence and do badly. They need to make 2026 a de facto Independence Referendum.

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  8. SNP in government in Scotland, a.Sinn Fein first minister in N I and Plaid predicted to be the largest party in the Welsh Senedd. Not looking good for the Union !

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  9. Where have IFS and David Francis gone?
    I do hope they haven’t given up on the cause!
    I know these are different times for the independence movement but we must keep fighting, and never give up.

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    1. They've been targetted by the usual disrupters and one or two flag trolls because they're effective posters. Perhaps they got fed up or just on holiday.

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    2. I am presently dealing with an end-of-life palliative care package for my elderly parent.

      Priorities.

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  10. So, “Flynn,…probably puts a segment of the electorate off by coming across as too belligerent”?

    No doubt the same allegedly female segment that allegedly found Alex Salmond the same - yet despite said segment, won the only majority in the SP ever & the only WM sanctioned Indyref there will ever be

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