Iain Cameron posting this publically about Wee Annie, Scotlands hardest working independence fighter. π΄σ §σ ’σ ³σ £σ ΄σ Ώπͺ❤
— Leanne Tervit (@LeanneTervit) December 1, 2024
Can @TasminaSheikh list those of us with a lifetime ban on joining the Alba Party please. And maybe explain why Iain Cameron was chosen to make that announcement. pic.twitter.com/XB0aRxalJu
(Note: click on the tweet to read the screenshot in full.)
Nobody held the late Alex Salmond in higher regard than I did, but the above screenshot is concerning, because it speaks to some of the deep-seated problems within the Alba party that I and others have been highlighting in recent months, and whatever else it describes, it certainly does not describe due process. If people really are going to be subject to lifetime bans, it can't just happen by the decree of one person - there has to be some kind of proper, fair, transparent procedure.
The provision in the Alba constitution about "public resignations from the party" has been an ongoing problem, because it's been used to conveniently bypass the normal disciplinary machinery. If Chris McEleny (whether acting on his own behalf or on behalf of the broader leadership) wants to get someone insta-banned from Alba, but doesn't want to bother with the tiresome business of a referral to the Disciplinary Committee and a possible subsequent appeal to the Appeals Committee, all he has to do is persuade the NEC to certify that person as having "publicly resigned", and they instantly cease to be a party member without ever having faced any sort of disciplinary process (even of the sham variety!), and will never be allowed to rejoin without prior permission from the NEC.
This perhaps wouldn't be quite so bad if the people affected really had "publicly resigned", but in many cases that simply isn't true. You might remember that Alan Harris mentioned in his recent Scot Goes Pop guest post that he had been certified as having publicly resigned even though he had kept his resignation several months ago strictly private. And I can certainly vouch for the fact that he did that, because at the time of his resignation I searched social media carefully, and there wasn't a trace of a mention anywhere.
But it gets even worse, because during my own time on the NEC in 2021-22, there was an occasion when Mr McEleny asked us to certify someone as having publicly resigned even though she had not actually resigned from the party at all. One of my biggest regrets is that I didn't challenge that. The reason I didn't is that the subject came up very suddenly and unexpectedly, and at that point I was still assuming good faith and taking it as read that Mr McEleny's reasoning must have been sound, but in retrospect it really, really wasn't. The person in question may well have done enough to warrant disciplinary action, but there is no way on God's earth that she had "publicly resigned from the party".
As far as the nasty language about a "group of malcontents" is concerned, that of course is a variant of the "wee gang of malcontents" catchphrase which is such a favourite within Alba's in-group. It's regularly used to demonise and belittle a number of prominent and highly-respected former Alba members, many of whom were forced to leave the party due to relentless bullying. The irony is that the people who use that phrase are simply demonstrating publicly that the bullying was all too real, but they're caught in such a bubble of entitlement and groupthink that they seem blissfully unaware of that fact.
When I was preparing my defence submission for my own upcoming "disciplinary" hearing on Thursday (which will be the most surreal hearing ever given that Mr McEleny can't seem to work out what he's accusing me of, let alone supply any evidence for it), I had a look through the Twitter accounts of a number of leading Alba figures to see how the party's social media policy is actually being interpreted in practice. I found the "wee gang of malcontents" line again and again and again, from several different people, even though that is clearly forbidden by an anti-bullying clause in the social media policy which makes the "targeting of individuals" a "red line". But of course if you're inside the in-group rather than outside it, you can pretty much do these things with total impunity and no action will ever be taken against you. Under the current rules, remember, Mr McEleny has an absolute veto over whether submitted complaints ever reach the Disciplinary Committee.
I may or may not be expelled on Thursday night, but even if it turns out through no choice or fault of my own that my political future lies in a party other than Alba, I would still urge Alba members to think very, very carefully about who they elect as their next leader, and to make sure that person is someone who will put an end to this nonsense and re-establish due process. Alba will not thrive electorally until it puts its own house in order.
I remember the ‘public resignation’ I asked at the time ‘where was the intent to damage’ but got nowhere.
ReplyDeleteRegarding Iain Cameron’s post. One thing I am certain off is Alex Salmond did not say that to Cameron. Because Salmond was too clever he’d never say something that would make himself look bad.
It’s just over a day since the memorial and the fighting has restarted.
It’s hard to see where Alba goes from here there has been so much bitterness.
The people that left, other than Eva, were the activists and why would any of them rejoin to help people that have been abusing them get elected?
It will take a new regime in Alba but the existing NEC have a vested interest in saying in control so it’s unlikely much will change.
Alba is a political non-entity that needs put out of our misery. Stop giving them oxygen.
ReplyDeleteThey're a right Tommy chicken aren't they
DeleteReform is polling upwards of 10% and are near guaranteed seats in Holyrood. In contrast Alba manages 2%, 3% on a good day. The behaviour that you've been writing about for a few months now reminds me of a group in a bunker believing everyone outside is an enemy. Can anyone realistically see a path to Alba having Reform-like polling numbers within the next 15mo?
ReplyDeleteThe only logical conclusion is that Alba is a busted flush. Move on, start again and don't repeat the mistakes made here.
Tasmina Ahmed Sheikh’s next party.
DeleteI think you saw that on Saturday morning with some of their behaviour outside St Giles.
DeleteAnon at 8.43am and how exactly do you know they were Alba members? You don't. Stop being an annoying idiot.
DeleteWhat was the behaviour?
DeleteShouting "traitor" at John Swinney.
DeleteTraitor: one who betrays another's trust or is false to an obligation of duty.
DeleteBased on that definition John the Redactor fits the bill and it is not outrageous or unacceptable to point that out in general. Some may think that outside a memorial service is the wrong place at the wrong time but the word is appropriate and accurate.
Good evening folks.
ReplyDeleteAlba have unravelled incredibly quickly. I think the decision not to stand in Rutherglen was the moment when things started to go wrong. There was some genuine hope and momentum up until then but now the party appears to have become a few dafties arguing amongst themselves in the back room of a pub.
ReplyDeleteWhen I look back I see not standing in Rutherglen as the turning point.
DeleteI have messages from Alex in early July 2023 about getting organised for postal votes at Rutherglen. As far as I was aware we were standing Alex had been talking to me about it for a couple of months.
But then Nothing the decision was kicked further and further down the road until end of August at which time it was too late. I voted to stand at the National Council but the vote fell.
I will never know what changed
One rumour was that they were getting nervous that Chris McEleny might be found guilty at his trial for threatening behaviour at Greenock Sheriff Court.
Delete"WHERE'S ANDY SWAN?"
"Not here."
"Aye he is."
McEleny is not exactly Mandela, is he? I wonder if he ever found Andy Swan.
DeleteNever thought of that. Poor old Andy Swan.
DeleteYes bevause the trial was pushed back. The first part of the trial was late June but then it was continued to the September which would have been during the Rutherglen campaign. That was delayed till November. But the timeline fits
DeleteOn the subject of Rutherglen... anyone else notice Margaret Ferrier seated amongst the invited guests on Saturday?
DeleteHi guys.
ReplyDeleteNo words
DeleteAny numbers?
DeleteAs sad as it sounds the only thing going for Alba now is that a segment won't want Alex Salmond's Party to die.
ReplyDeleteThere will be a strong desire to keep his memory and dream alive and letting his Party die would feel like letting his dream die as well.
No political party can survive as a sort of "memorial stone" to one man. They may think the world works that way, but they're wrong.
DeleteWell said. They's going to find that out the hard way.
DeleteI have to laugh at ‘it’s out duty to honour his wishes’ not let the malcontents back in
DeleteIain Cameron sounds worried
It wouldn’t just be a memorial party frozen in time. It would be a party of people claiming to know what Salmond wanted done - ‘Salmond once told me … Iain Cameron … blah blah’.
It is similar to the email sent to members saying the current NEC should stay because they knew Salmond’s mind
I don’t think Salmond told people ‘his mind’ not even people that were very close. He played his cards close to his chest.
Probably only Moira knew his mind
Salmond clearly never intended for Alba to disappear and for everyone to rejoin the SNP though like some on here want.
DeleteSalmond was not God. Whatever his intentions and wishes, people will make their own choices for their own good reasons.
DeleteIf Salmond didn't want people to rejoin the SNP, why did he preside over so many expulsions and lifetime bans? No joined up thinking there.
DeleteAlex Salmond said a few months ago that if Alba activists could get us to 6% than he would be able to take us to 15% or more. I really believe that was possible and doable. The problem is now that, even if we got to 6%, there’s no Alex Salmond to pick it up after that. And there’s no prospect of getting to 6% without him anyway. Reluctantly, and with much respect for MacAskill and a few others, I really doubt Alba has a future. And with it, I’m afaid, the cause of independence. It would take a miracle, or another Alex Salmond at this point. And there’s only one Alex Salmond, let’s be realistic.
ReplyDeleteHi, KC. A creative effort, but we know you too well by now.
DeleteAnon @ 8:58pm dosen’t look like a KC post to me!
DeleteIFS isn’t the only one with poor judgement.
Hi, KC.
DeleteI don’t know who KC is but you could try saying what’s not right in my post instead of misattributing it
DeleteHi, KC.
DeleteNo one likes the bit where you mistake independence's fate, at the end. Whether you're KC or not, you sound like someone BBC Scotland would love to vox pop!
DeleteBefore delivering the not proven verdicts at Mr McEleney's trial at Greenock Sheriff Court the fiscal depute ir reported as describing some of Mr McEleny's evidence as 'unreliable and not credible'.
ReplyDeleteHe added: "Mr McEleny had been drinking and he did concede that the alcohol had changed his behaviour. He didn't contact the police to report the event and instead went to a taxi rank to get a taxi home.
The evidence shows he is not being truthful."
And yet Alba kept such a man as their General Secretary and the gatekeeper on internal discipline.
And he wasn't even suspended from his job as General Secretary, let alone suspended from the party, pending the trial.
DeleteContrast that with the treatment of James who has been suspended from the party for weeks, for no apparent reason at all.
Not being funny but couldn't you apply the same logic to Alex Salmond that despite being cleared of all charges the inappropriate behaviour should have meant he wasn't suitable to be Leader?
DeleteNobody who has ever had the misfortune of having to deal with McEleny will be remotely surprised that a trial judge concluded he told lies under oath.
DeleteAnon at 9.48. No, the same logic dies not apply to AS as the judge never descibed him as "not being truthful, ureliable or not credible". The only not proven verdict in the AS case was because of a lack of enough evidence either way, not unbelieved evidence from the accused.
DeleteAnon 9.48 pm
DeleteArguably that’s what happened. The voters decided he wasn’t a fit person
The depute fiscal is not the judge but the prosecutor who is saying that Mceleny is not credible when he is denying the charges that the prosecutor brought. The sheriff said there were important inconsistencies in the evidence so she was giving Mceleny the benefit of the doubt in delivering her verdict. In the Salmond case the judge did not deliver the verdict it was the jury.
DeleteCorrect. Being found guilty in a criminal trial is all about the evidence being "Beyond a reasonable doubt." I don't like McEleny at all, but let's not put words in the judge's mouth when it's literally the prosecutor's job to make that allegation!
DeleteNo, the prosecutor doesn't have to make that allegation. Ultimately he doesn't even have to be prosecuted, there's nothing inevitable about any of this. Somebody clearly thought there was a case to answer.
DeleteOn the next leader, would it be best for Kenny MacAskill to take on the role officially?
ReplyDeleteIs there a better option?
I'm livid about this. 1983 or what?
DeleteMore like 1981. Close but no cigar.
DeleteThere is only one fit and proper person to succeed Alex Salmond as leader of the Alba Party, and that is important TV director Zulfikar Sheikh. He will DESTROY the wee gang of malcontents!
DeleteMight as well just make it official and give Tasmina what she wants. At present, Scotland's political parties have retreated en masse to male leaders again, so she'd stand out at least.
DeleteThat is if the media ever chose to give post-Salmond Alba a moment in front of the camera.
Pick the right Sheikh, chuck the wrong Sheikh. It has to be Zulfikar. He will CRUSH the wee gang!
DeleteOK I've done a bit of research and come up with this:
ReplyDelete"Malcontent's Ring is a special Upgrade Material in Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice. It is required for unlocking the Malcontent upgrade to the Finger Whistle Prosthetic Tool. and requires that players defeat the Shichimen Warrior which spawns in the Guardian Ape's Burrow to obtain it."
and it seems that Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice is an action-adventure game, notably: "The gameplay is focused on stealth, exploration, and combat, with a particular emphasis on boss battles."
So it does indeed seem relevant to the current circumstances. I'm guessing malcontents are the good guys and gals?
Yes, the malcontents are good people
ReplyDeleteThe way the treated who gave up their time and devoted themselves to the party was disgusting.
ReplyDeleteDenise, Heather, Eva, Sean, Leanne and many others was absolutely disgusting.
The Alba party will sadly try ride out on Alex Salmonds name, sadly it won't last especially after the 2026 elections.
It is truly a fringe party that is being laughed at.
It won't go further, it's not an alternative to the SNP, it's basically a shambles.
I had some 'run ins' with Alex back in the early 90's when I was critical of his strategy. Some of my criticism made the pages of the Sun newspaper (thanks to Andy Collier) and Alex made his opinion and displeasure about it known quite vociferously to me. I wasn't alone in that at the time and I found it ironic that some of his other critics inside the SNP who were also quite public on the matter of strategy actually went on years later to become his close allies inside Alba. At the time of our criticism there was never any threat of expulsion from the SNP, etc. Perhaps Alex took a more relaxed view on such issues after his own experiences with the '79 Group'. I wonder what altered that.
ReplyDeleteAn over-reliance on gypsy cream.
DeleteListening to Tasmina.
DeleteAlex changed a lot he never expelled people from the NEC and preferred to get opponents inside and keep everyone inside the tent. Only Margo MaxDonald encountered his ire.
Tasmina gave Alex very bad advice and was very dominating. She was also jealous of other women
Sorry meant to say SNP not NEC
DeleteYes, he surrounded himself with the wrong people and they were giving him terrible advice. It's understandable he wanted to stick close to the people who didn't abandon him in his darkest moments, but when you find yourself so totally reliant on Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh and Chris McEleny, something has gone very badly wrong somewhere. McEleny should never have been anywhere near such an important position as General Secretary. Ahmed-Sheikh is more capable, but she's also malevolent.
DeleteIt was a deliberate tactic to isolate him. Anyone that got close was got rid off. poison dripped into his ear. After his experience it would have been easy to convince him not to trust people. They would know the buttons to push
DeleteMost if the people bullied out were his biggest supporters online and offline
Who has spoken up for him and were very loyal
But by the end he only had Tasmina and Chris. Tasmina would not let him be in anyone’s company without her. She guarded him jealously.
That’s probably why he put on so much weight because he was angry, disappointed and in a bunker
Sad and all too believable.
DeleteAlba is probably finished. It has no obvious leader and was struggling before the sad demise of A S. It will now drop down to a very low base of less than 1%. I am personally glad. From a promising start it became another opposition party to the S G. Sad. The movement has lost so much ground in the last 5 or so years. I’m not going to reply to the vitriolic brigade
ReplyDeleteNot going to reply because you can't argue your case?
DeleteDifferent anon here, but I'll give it a shot.
DeleteAlba failed in 2021 and has gotten nowhere since. Every time they face the Scottish electorate, they're humiliated. I voted for them in 2021, and I really did want them to do well, so I certainly don't enjoy this failure. But the message the voters keep on sending—absolutely ZERO election wins or holds by Alba, at ANY level of elected politics—is loud and clear. Scotland couldn't be any firmer in its rejection of The Alba Party.
I quite agree with James that the clique controlling Alba is disgraceful. But I don't even think that problem has broken through with the electorate. People wrote off Alba on launch day, and it's never gotten any better. It was a bust, and without Salmond now it's done.
SNP 1&2 has proven to be ineffective as well.
DeleteThousands of List Votes were wasted in the last few elections allowing unionists in via the back door and many have lost faith that they'd even pursue independence if they're re-elected.
Anon at 11.14. Agree with your comment. I am the anon who posted at 10.01. You have summarised what we all know as a matter of fact. Well all of us except it seems anon at 10.44.
DeleteThought you weren't replying to anyone. Not in a huff any more?π
DeleteI’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that you are not part of the vitriol brigade, but you need to read what I said and look at who I replied to. Got it?
DeleteIt could have been all very different if the SNP had not gone for both votes SNP in 2021.
DeleteThere would have been a large pro independence majority in Holyrood and Alba would be known. This could have advanced independence but Sturgeon prioritised her hate for Salmond over independence and continually trashed his reputation on television. Sturgeon then walks away, job done. SNP trashed and independence trapped.
"SNP 1&2 has proven to be ineffective as well.
DeleteThousands of List Votes were wasted in the last few elections allowing unionists in via the back door and many have lost faith that they'd even pursue independence if they're re-elected."
Folk voted for unionist parties on the list, and they got a share of MSPs roughly commensurate with the share of votes they got (though not perfectly - they were still slightly underrepresented in number of MSPs). How does that fit any definition of "via the back door"?
You have to laugh at Britnats like anon at 2.59pm. They are all for proportionality at Holyrood but are happy with the first past the post for Westminster where Labour get only about 35% of the vote but get a massive majority.
DeleteFrom the looks of it, Alba are finished unless they get rid of Sheikh and McEleny.
ReplyDeleteMuch more consequentially: the SNP is in a similar position, tightly controlled by the Devolutionist faction of Swinney, Robertson, and friends.
DeleteI expect no success in either party to rid themselves of self-interested, ultimately self-destructive leadership cliques. Groups like that take dig in and will sacrifice everything and everyone for their own benefit.
Anon 1122- aye the devolutionist’s control the snp says the Labourite,controlled by London. The old undermining brigade at to again.
DeleteI’m in Edinburgh, mate. I voted Yes and I’ll do it again, if your party ever bothers to let me.
DeleteEveryone who's critical of the SNP is a unionist and an 'underminer' (it seems to be his favourite word), according to this clown.
DeleteMoving forward what's the solution?
ReplyDeleteThe reasons why tens of thousands of people left the SNP and their electoral loses in the General Election still exist. Alba may have failed but why it formed in the first place is still a massive issue for the movement which the SNP have never addressed.
Also worth keeping in mind that looking at the numbers who left the SNP and the numbers in Alba many of those who left the SNP never joined Alba for whatever reason. But those same people haven't re-joined the SNP either.
DeleteThey more than likely still support independence but find both the SNP and Alba unappealing. How do you win those people over?
Let's be clear, there's two problems you're talking about here: the loss of party members and the loss of popular votes.
DeleteThe SNP lost a _lot_ of members. That basic fact is the cause of all their troubles. They pauchled their accounts to hide the figures, and once they were in that shameful habit they were well on their way to stealing the infamous 622k from the indy movement as a whole.
Losing activists was a leading indicator of future trouble for the SNP. That would come with the disastrous election in 2024.
Alba got off to a good start, membership wise, and I had a lot of hope for them as a voter. But 2021 was a rough awakening to the depth of the challenge to regain the trust of the Scottish people as a whole. Since then, no surprise to see that Alba has shrunk as well. By the time diddies like McEleny are strangling the activists, one by one in disciplinary malpractice, it really is game over.
It's no surprise the Yes movement is a ghost of its former self now. We need a focal point to rally around, one we can believe in. The SNP has shirked that rΓ΄le and burned its bridges, while the wider public has offered no support at all to any alternative in elections.
It's a foul winter for independence. We need a new leader.
The issue is outside of the SNP & Alba at present every other alternative are either seen as being incompetent, amateurs or a joke.
DeleteDiplomatic of you not to mention Peter A Bell by name.
DeleteHe falls into the last category.
DeleteI saw him on a bus. He was speaking to himself
DeleteI think he was talking about sourdough bread.
If you were talking about literally anyone else, I would think that was whimsy or satire.
DeleteHe means well and is committed. No jokes please.
DeleteHe's launched a lobbying group but calls it a political party that doesn't stand in elections. Seems daft.
DeleteHe tried to get into a banquet at Scone Palace by claiming he was the Duchess's love child. They firmly showed him the door and said, Begone, foul fiend, and never darken our window sills again, though varlet! That's what they said. They did.
DeleteAnonymous 11.58am. The SNP, as you say, have never addressed the issues you mention and as long as it’s the same leadership in charge they never will. They are culpable and they won’t accept responsibility because some may go to jail but the others will be off the lovely gravy train they created for themselves. The independence movement, as others have said, is poorly served by its political leaders and parties. The SNP seem to want to own independence but do nothing to achieve it.
ReplyDeleteFrom the National: "John Swinney says improving NHS is at the 'heart' of SNP Budget"
ReplyDelete"John Swinney says improving NHS is at the 'heart' of SNP Budget "
ReplyDeleteIt'd better be quick to try to take care of the extra hypothermia and malnutrion emergency admissions because of the UKGov cutting the Winter Fuel Payment, and the ScotGov meekly copying them.
Cruella de Winterville taking responsibility in Scotland, sharing the blame with very well paid and totally empathy lacking Robison and Swinney - all trying to con the Scottish Public that next year is actually this year. Well, no chance.
Stop the gibberish. The SG has less money now than before due to inflation, austerity and the rest. They have a budget- so what do you want cut, schools? Social care? Roads? This year next year?
ReplyDeleteBlaming budget constraints is a lazy excuse. The Scottish Government has the power to reallocate resources, adjust tax policies, and prioritise essential support for vulnerable people now. Their choice to delay action until 2025, while pensioners face hypothermia and malnutrition now, is nothing short of negligence.
DeleteThe argument of "what should they cut instead?" is a deflection, not a defence. Governments constantly make choices about spending priorities, and it’s not about cutting—it’s about reallocating. If tackling winter poverty and saving lives isn’t more important than vanity projects and funding for cycle lanes then the government’s priorities are fundamentally flawed.
Anon at 3.22pm how about cutting spending on expensive lawyers fees trying to cover up wrongdoing. Or expensive lawyers fees discussing whether men can get pregnant and do men have the right to smear tests and other such embarrassing shit.
Deleteso what do you want cut? what do you want cut? want cut? want cut? want cut?
DeleteHypocrisy, and blaming Westminster for their own devolved decisions.
Let's also not forget the amount of money jizzed up the wall on policies that never came to fruition: A96 Dualling Project, Deposit Return Scheme, National Care Service... & don't even get started on the Ferries!
DeleteIf we didn't have such an incompetent Government wasting money everywhere we could easily fund the Winter Fuel Payment THIS year.
OK, Anas.
DeleteAnon 6.15 Westminster is to blame, the English keep electing right wing governments.
DeleteAnon at 7.14 lots of Tories on this forum.
DeleteWhy defend their failures?
DeleteJust because the SNP supposedly support independence doesn't give them a free pass to run things incompetently.
All they seem to do now is reminisce and point to the achievements made during the Salmond Governments. Trading on and trying to get re-elected on long past glories.
Selling Scotland's offshore wind resources for a stupidly cheap price was a particularly poor decision as the SG knew they would need the profits raised to prop up the budget (not reinvest in green energy as they were pretending at the time). Most of the money is going on large public sector pay increases which the SG also failed to negotiate properly and are paying far more than they should.
ReplyDeleteSo, it's not about what should the SG cut to pay for the winter fuel allowance. It's about what they should've raised and not wasted.
Running the country? The SNP Government couldn't run a (cold) bath.
Sarwar's the man for you !
DeleteNo thsnks. Ah heard his house is hoachin.
DeleteScotland has no control over the uk energy policy
ReplyDelete