I was this evening informed by Corri Wilson that I have been expelled from the Alba Party. This, of course, is fully consistent with the boast Yvonne Ridley made several months ago (well before any official action was taken against me) that she had inside knowledge that the Alba leadership had already made a secret decision to expel me. That would imply that the so-called "disciplinary" process I've just been through was a complete sham from start to finish. Of course there's still no proof that Ridley was telling the truth, and the way things have unfolded since her boast may have just been an eerie coincidence. But I must say the process has felt very much like a sham, and I'll explain why.
I've said all along that if I was expelled, nobody in the Alba leadership or in the Disciplinary Committee would actually have a clue why they were expelling me, at least in the sense that they wouldn't be able to coherently explain what the 'official' explanation is. And so it has proved. The original 'disciplinary referral' that Chris McEleny wrote and then sent to both me and to the Disciplinary Committee was risible. He was clearly struggling badly - he and others in the leadership were angry at the persistent and public stand I had taken in favour of radical reform of the party constitution and he wanted to expel me, but he couldn't come up with plausible-sounding reasons, so instead he resorted to extreme vagueness.
His case against me was effectively split into three little parcels. The first parcel contained the closest thing there was to a specific allegation, which was that I had breached the confidentiality of meetings of the Constitution Review Group (of which I was a directly elected member), with a blogpost I had published on 21st April, entitled 'The case against a small political party treating its own members as the enemy'. However, this was a very problematical allegation, because as you can see if you follow the link, I clearly stated at the outset of that blogpost that I was bound by confidentiality rules and that I therefore wouldn't be discussing the work of the group. Nowhere in the blogpost did I make any statements whatsoever about what had been discussed at meetings of the group, or what decisions had been taken by the group.
So by definition Mr McEleny must have been alleging that I had revealed confidential information in some very indirect form. Now, you might assume that in order to establish I had done something as nebulous as that, Mr McEleny would first have to specify what that secret information was, and then he'd have to set out what evidence he had that the information existed in the first place and that it was covered by confidentiality rules - for example he would have to identify the presence of that information in documents or equivalent material relating to the group (such as the minutes of meetings), and then marry it up to what I had written in the blogpost.
Extraordinarily, he didn't even get past first base. I know this sounds unbelievable, but it's literally the case that throughout this process Mr McEleny has doggedly stuck to accusing me of disclosing confidential information while refusing to say what that confidential information was. His message has effectively been "this guy has done this, I'm not going to tell you how he's done it, just take my word for it and expel him". Even more astonishingly, that has proved to be enough for the Disciplinary Committee - or perhaps it's not so astonishing when you remember that in its current composition the committee is leadership-controlled and throughout this year has been a 100% reliable rubberstamp for Mr McEleny's wishes. I can attest to that fact personally - until my expulsion I was myself an elected member of the committee and I have sat through hearings that were utterly excruciating experiences because so much of what was said (and everything that was decided) had so obviously been scripted in advance.
A further logical problem, of course, is that if Mr McEleny is alleging that the blogpost breached confidentiality, by definition that must mean that the allegedly confidential information related in some way to the content of that blogpost, which narrows down the possibilities considerably. It's murderously hard to interpret this in any other way than the following: Mr McEleny must be suggesting that members of the Constitution Review Group were saying in private that rank-and-file members of the Alba Party couldn't be trusted because they might be "infiltrators", and that therefore information should be withheld from party members and they shouldn't be allowed to vote on important matters affecting the party. That was the main subject-matter of the blogpost, so what else can Mr McEleny possibly be getting at? Surely it's unthinkable that senior Alba figures would be saying such disrespectful things in private about the members of a "member-led party", and trying to disempower those members as much as possible? I believe there's a saying along the lines of "every accusation is a confession", and Mr McEleny might want to reflect on that at some length. For the record, I certainly did not allege in the blogpost that any member of the Constitution Review Group had privately made any such statement about party members. I was bound by confidentiality rules and I obeyed those rules.
The second parcel of Mr McEleny's case against me was that I had discussed party business in five specific blogposts after the leadership had removed me from my elected position on the Constitution Review Group - a decision that the leadership quite simply had no power to take under the current constitution. However, there is nothing whatever in Alba's Code of Conduct or in its social media policy that actually forbids public discussion of matters of internal party controversy, so that part of the case was a complete red herring. (That's where things get murky, though, because I was told at the hearing last night that Mr McEleny had replaced the original document with a much wider range of accusations covering nineteen blogposts - but I wasn't allowed to know what the new accusations were or which blogposts were being referred to!)
The third parcel was four little quotes from either the Code of Conduct or social media policy, with the implication that I was in breach of those specific parts, but without any explanation whatsoever of what I had done to breach them. Most outrageously of all, one of the quotes related to behaviour on social media that was either "abusive" or that "targeted individuals", but Mr McEleny did not supply even a single example of any such behaviour on my part. He did not come up with a single tweet, or a single Facebook post. Zilch. Nada. Nothing. Again, his message to the Disciplinary Committee was effectively "oooh, this guy has done awful things on social media, but I'm not going to tell you what I mean by that, just take my word for it and expel him". And the committee's reply was effectively "OK, chief!"
As you can probably imagine, this bizarre non-accusation posed considerable challenges for me in preparing my defence. How can you defend yourself against an accusation that only exists in Mr McEleny's head and that he refuses to tell anyone about? The approach I took was to look at tweets posted recently by leading members of the Alba Party, including by Mr McEleny himself, to try to gauge how the social media policy is actually being interpreted by the party in practice. These are some of the examples I came up with, the first of which I'm sure many people would argue is both misogynistic and lesbophobic:
Chris McEleny, 21st November 2024: "Define irony: Mhairi Black, who spent 10 years at Westminster with her snout in the Kit Kat trough"
Chris McEleny, 14th November 2024: "How creepy. Some wee social media weirdo at the Scottish Parliament actually zooms in on women's footwear to brief the press."
Shannon Donoghue, 19th May 2024: "No it's not wrong, and if I'm really honest, I'm sick of the wee victim act. I've seen Eva first hand at conferences with the wee gang. She was privy to info being on NEC that Grangemouth was a key seat for them. The only one lacking unity is her."
(Note: "Eva" is a reference to Eva Comrie, who was Alba's elected Equalities Convener just weeks before Ms Donoghue posted her tweet.)
Shannon Donoghue, 6th July 2024: "You, is the simple answer. You and the wee gangs attempt to tarnish the party. You do more damage to Indy than good. Disgraceful."
(Note: The above was a *direct reply* to Denise Findlay, Alba's former elected Organisation Convener.)
Shannon Donoghue, 6th July 2024: "James Kelly really tweeting about self-awareness. The gift that keeps on giving."
I defy anyone to look at my own track record on social media and conclude that it is not significantly better and more respectful than any of the examples above. That was exactly what I invited the Disciplinary Committee to do, and in the circumstances there wasn't much else I could do. But needless to say the committee have decided to ignore all of that and have instead upheld the allegations that only exist inside Mr McEleny's head and that he's too shy to tell anyone about. What a bashful lad he is, to be sure.
The case against me was effectively an optical illusion. It was presented like a proper disciplinary case in a proper Alba-branded document, but the more you looked at it, the more it crumbled away and you realised there was nothing of substance there. There were no specific allegations at all, just smoke and mirrors. I have literally been expelled from the Alba Party for nothing.
Or nothing if you believe the official version. There is of course a real reason, which is that I had strong views on the direction the party should take and I kept maddening the leadership by expressing those views in public. And that takes me back to some of the conversations I had with Alex Salmond on the phone in years gone past, because I can recall three specific occasions when he spontaneously raised the issue of freedom of speech. The first was when I mentioned concerns about Yvonne Ridley's notorious tweet suggesting that a vote for the SNP was a vote for Jimmy Savile. (Ridley at the time was Alba's Women's Convener.) He laughed it off and said something like "nobody can stop Yvonne saying whatever she wants to say" and added that she had a right to free speech anyway. My reaction was basically "OK, fine, as long as the same rule applies to everyone else too".
The second occasion was when he was reminiscing about Margo MacDonald (it was just a meandering conversation and he randomly ended up on the subject of Margo). He said he was absolutely appalled when John Swinney engineered her removal from the SNP and added that he would never have done that in a million years. He admitted he had angrily clashed with her but stressed that he held her in high personal regard and respected her right to hold alternative views.
The third occasion was in October 2022, when he phoned me up to offer commiserations after I was voted off Alba's National Executive Committee, which I had been an elected member of for the previous year. I had just written a blogpost saying that I suspected I had paid the price for expressing dissenting views about the party's direction. He said to me "James, it's fine to express minority opinions, I have no problem with that at all". He actually chuckled as he said that, as if the idea that anyone in Alba would ever be penalised for expressing their own views was the most ridiculous thing he could think of. The subtext seemed to be "that's the sort of thing that happens in the SNP, not here".
I believed those assurances when he gave them to me. I absolutely believed them. Let's be honest - I was completely wrong to believe those assurances. I have just been expelled from the Alba Party for expressing my own views, which is the absolute polar opposite of what Alex told me Alba was all about. I am not the first person this has happened to. All of those inspiring promises about Alba being a natural home for all independence supporters, where they could be themselves and express themselves freely, have proved to be utterly worthless.
Let me be clear that I do not believe that Alex Salmond himself was primarily responsible for Alba degrading into this weird, paranoid, sect-like, cult-like state in which free speech is ruthlessly cracked down upon and anyone who dissents is swiftly purged. However, the fact remains that it did happen on his watch, and that is something that puzzles many of us. It's been suggested to me that he was effectively a prisoner of certain other people in the leadership because they supply much of the party's funding, and that those people were insisting upon a much more authoritarian and disciplinarian approach than he ever took as SNP leader. (Remember that it's believed that only one person was expelled from the SNP in his whole twenty years as leader - and that was Bill Walker, who was convicted of decades of domestic violence. By contrast, I am at least the third person to have been expelled from Alba within the last few months, all for non-existent or downright daft reasons.)
In a way I consider myself fortunate that I know (or strongly suspect) that Alex Salmond must have signed off on my expulsion before he died, because at least that keeps me clear-sighted about the reality of the situation and prevents me from romanticising "Alba under Salmond" and kidding myself that the problems only kicked in after his death. In truth, the rot set in long ago.
I'm not going to lie - I feel personally let down and in some cases betrayed by people I was foolish enough to put my trust in. I won't name names but those people know who they are. There's one guy in particular who keeps taking bad and cruel decisions, and I can see in his eyes when he takes those decisions that he knows deep down that he's doing something wrong, but he just goes ahead and keeps doing it anyway. I suspect I know why he's chosen that path.
My first TV interview as a political blogger was on BBC Breakfast just two or three days before the independence referendum in 2014. I made a premeditated decision that my first words in that interview were going to be "Scotland is a country", because I hadn't heard anyone say that during the campaign and I wanted it to be said on TV at least once before people voted. It's just a total coincidence, of course, but Alex Salmond's final public words before his death were very similar: "Scotland is a country, not a county". Alba have since embraced those words as an unofficial motto. Well, let me propose another variation: "Alba members are people, not pawns". That is something the Alba leadership have yet to learn or accept. Effectively the party in its current state is a private club for a self-appointed elite consisting of a small number of closely-linked families and friends who decided to set up a miniature version of the SNP that they could run to suit themselves. Nobody has let the rest of the membership in on the secret that everyone outside that elite is utterly expendable, and will be treated as little more than vermin if they are not deemed useful enough. I have little doubt that a secondary reason for my expulsion is that I stood my ground on the Constitution Review Group against low-grade bullying attempts from two individuals in particular, who just happen to both be part of one of the families that form part of that elite group.
The Kafkaesque "disciplinary" process I have just been through has been so obviously tainted by galactic-level procedural unfairness that I would be letting myself and other people down badly if I didn't at least lodge an appeal and challenge the Appeals Committee to do the right thing and overturn not only my expulsion, but also the upholding of such a blatantly bogus complaint. I'm sure we can all guess what the outcome will be, but that appeal is damn well going to be lodged just the same.
In theory the appeals process is supposed to be very quick, so I also need to think about what I will do if the expulsion is left in place. There are three basic options -
1) Apply to rejoin the SNP, and try to make the case from within for the SNP to return to a genuine pro-independence path. (Note that I always use the word "apply" when I talk about this option - I'm not making any assumptions about whether my application would be accepted.)
2) Either stand myself as a "real independence but with actual integrity" candidate in the 2026 Scottish Parliament election (probably on the Central Scotland list, because that's where I live) or get behind other independent candidates standing on a similar platform.
3) Join an existing small pro-independence party (in all honesty I've searched and so far I can't find one that is really close enough to my own views, either in policy or strategic terms, but if there are any I might have missed please let me know).
I'm not going to do an Elon Musk and say I'll abide by whatever the majority tell me to do, but I'll certainly be interested in people's views, because in a rarity for me, I am genuinely unsure about what course of action to take if the expulsion stands.
Phew! that was some awful read James. What a joke of a party Alba has become. So many self serving bullies seem to be attracted to political parties.
ReplyDeleteThat hearing would be like a prosecutor telling the jury that the accused murdered someone but we can't tell you who was murdered, when it happened, the means by which the person was murdered, when the murder happened and where the body is. The jury just has to take the prosecutor's word that the accused is guilty of the crime. In other words nothing but a complete joke. No case to answer.
It's clear to me that you were supposed to be a propaganda outfit for Alba. The SNP propagandists are now hovering wanting you to be the same for the SNP. If you refuse you could end up in the same disciplinary boat but only with an SNP badge on it this time.
The tweets above :
" Some WEE social media weirdo"
"WEE victim act "
" the WEE gang"
The same type of people who frequent SGP trolling regularly use the word WEE in disparaging people. Unpleasant bullies. You know who you are.
With regards to your way forward - you could do a Salmond on them - try crowdfunding a Judicial review. The hearing was certainly unfair, biased and unconstitutional. Not sure about the unlawful part. SNP members for their own malicious reasons may well contribute. Now that would be ironic but also good to see your persecutors come before a judge to explain themselves.
Interesting idea, IfS. I've no idea how much a judicial review would cost, but if it's doable, it's certainly deserved. An organisation like Alba should not be free to treat its members as inhumanely as this, and contrary to its constitution. Even far away from power, these are still people's lives being toyed with.
DeleteIt seems ALBA “leadership” is just poisonous. I would expect folk who are ALBA members won’t renew, those that left the SNP - many weren’t, but nevertheless joined ALBA believing it was some nirvana will I hope wake up. As for what you do next is up to you. Talk to some of your family and friends. One thing I would ask as I would say to WGD is keep the blog going. It is needed.
DeleteIs WGD still needed? Is its purpose to give Skier a home so he doesn't make a nuisance of himself to the wider public?
DeleteYears ago, I used to donate to Paul, as a regular reader and occasional commenter at WGD. It was a better read back then, when hopeful thinking about Indyref2 coming round the corner felt realistic.
All that changed when Nicola burst her bubble.
Nowadays, it's all pointing at Starmer's Labour (like no one's already noticed they're shite) and hoping for rich rewards for the SNP. The Devolutionist, Wheesht for Indy SNP who cringe at the frightful thought of doing anything about independence. No need for change there. Just party on like it's 2015.
The balloons are on the floor, though, and nobody's about.
"Unpleasant bullies. You know who you are." IfS clearly doesn't understand irony!
DeleteIs WGD still needed 10.09. My thoughts exactly.
DeleteSome of the WGD numpties are finally waking up. It's taken them long enough.
DeleteCapella says: " The current Scottish government have a clear mandate to hold an independence referendum. That mandate expires at the next Holyrood election, whether in 2026 or sooner if there is a vote of no confidence before then. If the Westminster government do not sign a S30 order so that the Scottish Government can effect its democratic mandate then the next Holyrood election must be that referendum. "
Sorry to disappoint Capella but Starmer ain't going to approve a s30 not now not ever. Will Swinney call a de facto referendum? If he wants to surprise everybody and suddenly turn in to Scotland's man of steel then he needs to call it soon. John the Redactor is currently Scotland's man of jelly. The First Minister for cover ups.
Anon at 10.09am - Unpleasant bullies - I understand who you are David Francis, Dr Jim, Lomax, Skier etc etc .
DeleteIf WGD has a following , it’s needed. If SGP has a following it’s needed.
DeleteSeems like you are dealing with utter trash in Alba, James.
ReplyDeleteMcEleny, in particular, sounds like a prize puddin'.
By all means get your appeal in and show them up even more, when they - very probably - fling that out as well.
This whole debacle reeks of a bunch of second-rate no-hopers at the top of that Party who not only cannot attract any meaningful voter-support, but are failing at even the most basic level to properly run their own affairs.
Good riddance to bad rubbish I would say.
In relation to your next move, I for one will only say what I have said before - do whatever you believe will give you the most impact in helping our Movement.
For me, the obvious choice is to rejoin the most powerful Pro-Indy Party in Scotland, the ONLY such Party capable of forming the Scottish Govt and the ONLY such Party taken seriously by WM and the wider poltical world in general.
And just ignore the hysterical rantings on here, of those whose hatred of the SNP drives every single thing they say, to the exclusion of virtually everything else.
Like Alba, they REALLY do not matter one jot in the bigger picture.
One final plea regarding this site - STOP the anonymous shite from getting on.
End.
TL;DR: Shut up, eat yer cereal, and #bothvotesSNP.
DeleteLol.
DeleteRight on cue - an Anon Moron.
Yes join the Party who have just announced that they're going to stop publishing independence white papers. That clearly shows their commitment to independence...
DeleteJamie Hepburn's role as “Minister for Independence” at a salary of over £100k has clearly been a roaring success!
David Francis = Wee Plum
DeleteAnon 3.08 = prize turkey.
DeleteJamie Hepburn - well remembered anon at 1.54am. Even the WGD numpties have forgotten about the Minister for Independence. What a wind up. A Minister for independence on a big salary in a party of devolution. It's called gas lighting.
DeleteHonestly, out of those three alternative options for what you might do next, all three sound like bad options.
ReplyDeleteThe whole reason Alba came into existence in the first place was because attempts to reform the SNP from within had already failed—the 'good guys' campaign etc.
Most of those who made the last big attempt to change things from within are among the tens of thousands who have since left. Nothing has changed to suggest the SNP can be reformed now; if anything it seems even less likely. The definition of insanity comes to mind when I think about rejoining the SNP atm: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome.
Standing as an independent candidate would likely just result in wasting time and resources for the reward of a lost deposit, only to then be forgotten about within weeks.
Unfortunately, you’re right that option three isn’t any better—there’s no viable alternative pro-independence party at the moment.
The ISP seem to be off on a tangent about the oath of allegiance, which everyone knows won’t change while we’re part of the Union. It feels like a odd niche issue to focus on when the public have much bigger concerns right now. If this is their priority, we won’t be winning independence anytime soon under their leadership. Every other option out there currently isn't really worth mentioning.
Unfortunately, I don’t have the answer to your dilemma. I'm pretty much scunnered...
Maybe the “good guys” weren’t as good as you seem to believe.
DeleteWalk away James. Alba wasn't set up to be genuine political party.
ReplyDeleteCouldn't you utilise this blog as a political tool? Lobbying for change from the outside as you have something most don't: Your readership.
ReplyDeleteWith no constraints on what you can do or say and with no risk of breaching anyone's code of conduct you can be as blunt as you like on what needs to happen next. Instead of trying to change a Party from within single handily you can motivate the masses to do it on a larger scale.
That would be my option. Well, it is my option!
DeleteGoing through the appeal seems like setting the seal on a bad deal, but needs to be done. After that, just make sure it's not a case of "Abla was I ere I saw Alba". Who seem to be shedding their best members.
ReplyDeleteJoin ISP
ReplyDeleteWho? Genuine question for about 99% of the population.
DeleteAm I right to assume ISP stands for Independent Socialist Party ?
DeleteIt's not even "who?" Normal politically inactive people don't even want an alternative.
DeleteWhich was great when the SNP was led by people passionate for independence. But not so much now…
Serious question: Why?
DeleteTheir top priority at the moment seems to be the oath of allegiance which frankly nobody in their day-to-day lifes gives a toss about. It's a really odd thing to spend so much time on atm when the best way to actually remove the oath is by achieving independence.
ISP, as relevant as Peter Bell's one man band.
DeleteThe unpalatable prospect of trying to make Indy inroads into the Labour Party at constituency level is increasingly looking like a least terrible option. There is a 15-20 % base there already. How depressing.
ReplyDeleteAny Labourite showing sympathy for an independent Scottish gets kicked out by Starmer loyalists.
DeleteAye, Chris
DeleteAt constituency level that is not true. Stop making things up.
DeleteSNP would be the best option.
ReplyDeleteIt is the best party.
DeleteFor the union, certainly.
DeleteFor what? Devolution?
DeleteNo you have the Brit nats for that, Brit Nat
DeleteJust look at what they did to Sean Davis. Especially after his speech on his mental health in Inverness. Corri Wilson was to blame for that.
ReplyDeleteIn my constituency complaints were made against Kenneth Gibson, with Corri Wilson who lived outside the constituency being a main complainant. As he put it himself, he's no saint but the allegations were untrue.
DeleteHe's no nodding donkey, he's one who does raise his voice against the echo chamber; not as much as I'd like but more than most SNP MSPs. I'm afraid Alba were welcome to her.
Oh - more allegations, this being one of them:
Deletehttps://www.ardrossanherald.com/news/18811259.local-snp-special-measures-accusations/
He got re-selected and if I'd still been a member, I'd certainly have voted for him.
Corri Wilson and her family are the biggest bullies out there. You call them out and they shout you down with abuse.
DeleteI have a strong suspicion James was obliquely referring to her family in his post (the bullying on the constitution group).
DeleteIf you really want a seat in 2026, join Reform, as it looks like they've done what Alba were unable to do, come from nowhere and be in list contention. My more realistic suggestion would be to leave party politics for a while and keep up the independent-minded blogging.
ReplyDeleteI think you got the wrong end of the stick, Craig - opton 2 is talking about the possibility of standing as an independent. I certainly wouldn't be standing in 2026 if I'm a member of any party. I (or most others) would have zero chance of success as an independent, but the argument is if the SNP aren't going to be doing anything about independence, and if Alba have totally lost the plot, there might be a case for offering some sort of alternative.
DeleteJoin Reform if you hate foreigners and wanted to abolish the NHS.
DeleteWhat’s the point of appealing? Let them stew in their own juice.
ReplyDeleteMaybe a class action (joke)
ReplyDeleteI think people are being a bit hard on the SNP option.
The good guys were during the Sturgeon reign when she was riding high - true it failed but it was only a matter of months before Alba came along and the good guys migrated there. Had they all stayed in the SNP who knows?
Sturgeon.is no longer in power and Swinney is a caretaker so time for regime change. A Flynn / Forbes era
They have in the main ditched poisonous and divisive gender policies - imagine if Swinney had said ‘men can’t get pregnant’ a few years ago?
They have ditched unpopular Green policies
The recent budget shows they are getting a bit smarter
At the moment they don’t have a path to independence but can develop one
The next Parliament is likely to be unstable and may not last five years so there could be opportunities to move on Indy before 2031.
In the 2026 election the SNP will need list votes so will be organising and campaigning hard for them. Reform will be taking list seats so more parties to divide them by - a pro-Indy SNP alternative vote will get squeezed out.
It will be like 2003/2007 as opposed to 2021.
And personally I am extremely sorry at what you went through. No one joins a political party to be treated so badly I don’t think people understand the toll on mental health so please look after yourself.
You had it much, much harder than I did, Denise. But yes, this has been a downright nasty experience, and it does have at least some mental health impact. Whether the people who instigate and carry through a malicious process like this realise the effect they're having, I don't know. If they do realise, they certainly don't seem to care.
DeleteI quite agree with Denise. 2003 was a fascinating time. "A thousand flowers bloomed" in the fragmented vote beside Swinney's shrunken SNP. I can certainly see a repeat of Swinney's catastrophic effect on the SNP's vote he inherited from Salmond. But where would it go this time? Not to Tommy Sheridan's SSP, nor the SSCUP, maybe just the Greens… who are a culty, sectarian shadow of their former friendly selves?
DeleteI expect a dip in the pro-Indy vote. A lot of folk are scunnered. A lot of us have no one left to vote for. That's what happens when the high heid yins sweep hope right off the table.
"They have in the main ditched poisonous and divisive gender policies"
DeleteThey haven't led the way on doing that though, they've been overtaken by events and essentially forced into it kicking and screaming.
“I expect a dip in the pro Indy vote”=you hope there is a dip. Too many Brit nats hoping to keep the pot stirring. Still, promote pro Indy vote for Holyrood with SNP 1 and pro independence party 2. I believe folk realise the SNP are limited to how they can work with devolution but now see Brit labour in their full glory.
DeleteI think it's fair to say that a lot of people are scunnered with the SNP. The General Election results show that there is likely a segment of the pro-indy electorate who didn't bother to vote.
DeleteIt's very difficult to win back those who have developed apathy. Whereas the unionists are united behind one aim: Removing the SNP from power. But just keeping the unionists out won't be enough to win back a lot of those turned off from the process.
I am sure you are feeling bruised James, because you have stood up for democracy and been expelled in a badly run show trial. The Alba leadership have been shown up as unprincipled and incompetent simultaneously.
ReplyDeleteBeing expelled from a party you have supported and worked for is disheartening and I sympathise with you. After I and others were expelled from the Scottish Greens for signing the Scottish Green Womens Declaration the feeling of political homelessness was unsettling. People from Alba tried to recruit me, but Alba looked like a dead end and now looks terminal.
In the end I rejoined the SNP with low expectations, in order to vote for Kate Forbes if she ever came forward as a leadership candidate. I detect Steven Flynn moving towards that position so I may be disappointed, but we are in least worst territory now.
Best wishes for whatever you decide to do James.
I was sorry to hear about what happened to you in the Greens, Topher, I couldn't believe they did that. Right now it's hard to believe there's an even more trigger-happy party than Alba, but the Greens certainly seem to be that party.
DeleteI my doubts about Flynn. Something about him gives me Angus Robertson vibes. I'd be very wary of him talking the good talk but taking the party even further from its purpose. He's got the ego but he doesn't feel authentic.
DeleteAs for Katie? Maybe it's the daggers shooting out of Nicola's eyes at her that makes me like her! Forbes is an interesting one.
I like Flynn maybe it’s because he beat Sturgeon three times. Once against Blackford, then Thewliss and then got rid of the Greens.
DeleteI hope he does get to Holyrood.
I don’t see anyone else in the SNP with ‘game’
A lot of Sturgeon clones who hopefully will be out in 2026 and the competent people left
I'm not sure how Flynn couldn't see the potential backlash when he announced his intention to stand for Holyrood whilst remaining an MP.
DeleteHe received a lot of criticism, expended political capital and in the end had nothing to show for it. Felt like a very naive thing to do & you don't want a potential Leader making decisions in that way.
Denise, I'm not suggesting you are wrong but how did Flynn get rid of the Greens?
DeleteYes, to be fair, I thought it was the only useful thing Humza did.
DeleteFlynn had a meeting with Humza and told him the Greens had to go. Green policies were a problem in Aberdeen seats.
DeleteThe next day Humza sacked the Greens and the rest is history
Thanks for that Denise. Didn't know that. I can see where Flynn was coming from but it makes Yousaf look pretty weak. So he potentially saved Flynn's career but shot himself in the foot. Assuming , of course, Yousaf wanted to stay as FM.
DeleteDenise I'm not impressed with Flynn, it looks all show. Whenever he's interviewed he finds it difficult to use the word independence. I fear that if he is the best we have then we are settling for devolution' for a very long time. You would never hear a SF politician as compliant as Flynn and the SNP. Similarly, Farage was never silent about his 'mission' in Europe until he completed it. At the same time we had Alyn Smith waving swords about and talking crap about keeping lights on for Scotland's return. We need some fire and some determination - we are playing Westminster's game and that keeps us nice and snug in their pocket. Independence needs more radical politics than Flynn and Wishart can deliver. These are our leaders? Where are they leading us?
DeleteDenise. Do you have actual proof of this? Will Stephen Flynn confirm it? No.
DeleteFlynn is only seen in a positive light because he's decent in the House of Commons pantomime. Just like Angus Robertson who everyone thought was a future leader.
DeleteThe present parties seem to me to be very bad adverts for independence. Would we really want our renewed nation run by a bunch of seat warmers or a clique of pound shop Stalinists ?
ReplyDeleteI spent many decades in the Labour Party, in England, and then the SNP when I came home. The end result is that I'm completely sickened by political parties. I'll probably still vote SNP as an active, anti unionist gesture.
For now, and at my age possibly permanently, I'll contine to work through my local YES group which is affiliated to Believe in Scotland. Nothing is perfect but it offers a plausible perspective for independence.
We live in a period of the collapse of neoliberal capitalism with no progressive alternative gaining mass traction. The far right advances with all of it's horrors. I don't want my grandchildren to have such a bleak future.
If there's a better option I'd be pleased to hear it.
I suspect that you are tough enough to get through this James. 'Nil illegitimus carborundum' - hang in there !
I agree with your first sentence. Labour, Conservative, Liberals and Farage's company are very bad adverts fir the independence of Britain.
ReplyDeleteTwelve year old spotty twerp ?
DeleteIt's sad as people like Kenny MacAskill & Ash Regan clearly strongly want independence and make passionate arguments for it and on other issues.
ReplyDeleteAngus MacNeil is one of the good ones who consistently tried to move the SNP to refocus their efforts onto independence and Neale Hanvey is trying hard to win people over online. It's a shame as on the face of it there's good people in the Party but internally they also have people like Chris McEleny poisoning it from the inside.
KC’s Nessie jokes were mildly funny at the beginning, but no more. Really don’t know why he bothers.
ReplyDeleteDidn’t even find them funny in the first place. He seems a bit of a sado
DeleteAll it would take would be someone senior in the SNP with the potential to become Leader to make the admission that the Party has lost it's way. Recognise that mistakes have been made in the past and offer an olive branch to all former members of the Party to return home. Someone genuine to give even a small sparkle of hope that the SNP can change and be reformed.
ReplyDeleteThus far no one like that has come forward. Instead most still just use the achievements of the Salmond Governments & criticisms of the UK Government to get elected. The same old tired messaging fewer and fewer people believe anymore.
I think we're all agreed here - Celine Gottwald is the only obvious solution to the party's problems. I hope she won't be rebuffed like Hector Simpson was.
DeleteAgreed.
DeleteI've been unhappy with Alba since the election fiasco. (I resigned from the SNP over the NEC gerrymandering.) I was stunned by the way the whole affair was handled but decided to hold on to see what would happen. When James Kelly fell foul of the party I was inclined to resign but again held off until things became clearer.
ReplyDeleteThings are now clear and I am resigning from Alba.
As an aside, I have seen Alex Salmond on many ocassions over the years. The last time I saw him was in June of this year. I was shocked at how ill he looked. Perhaps ill-health was a factor in how far Alba deteriorated.
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I don’t understand why Tas made him work so hard. He needed to be home, seeing the doctor and getting healthy.
DeleteShe also dictated the food he would eat always too much and unhealthy
Sturgeon says her book would contain " absolutely honest accounts " from her time in politics. If you believe that then you really, really need to get the date 19/10/23 tatooed on the back of your hand to remind you she has been lying to you for years and made a fool of you.
ReplyDeleteAnd a zip to replace the buttons on the back of your head😄
DeleteIt will be short and empty she can't remember anything.
DeleteBe prepared for the abuse now James. I was called racist, witch, bitch, troublemaker, benefits scrounger amongst others. Also, bug welcome to the Malcontents Club. Its exclusive and admits only those with integrity, honesty and morals.
ReplyDeleteNone of those comments are acceptable but the one that is particularly disgusting (to me anyway) is to call someone who saves the country a fortune by being a carer to an elderly relative a benefit scrounger. Despicable.
DeleteProbably James will delete your post anyway KC but why do you want to be ruled by England. Is it:
ReplyDelete1. The English are a superior master race?
2. You wish you were English?
3. Scots are an inferior race to the English.
4. Scots are genetically not designed to govern themselves as stated by Ex Labour Leader in Scotland ( what was her name again oh that's that's right Lamont).
5. You have been conditioned to detest Scotland and its culture.
6. Scot and English are the same.
7. You just like being dependent.
8. A. N. Other. Please specify.
"Scots and English are the same " you say. So why do you not say you are proud to be English?
DeleteToo bad KC James is deleting you fast this PM! 😢🤣
DeleteIFS has repeatedly boasted about how they have so much time to post because they claim multiple benefits.
DeleteKC if Scots and English are the same then why have two different names? Why not just say you are proud to be English. British is an artificial construct of the British Empire. When India was part of the Empire they were told they were British and many believed they were. So are the English, the Scots, the Irish, the Welsh and the Indians all the same in your Britnat House Jock mind?
DeleteNot very good at answering questions are you KC. You are fine posting your silly anti independence comments from your script but answer questions that is beyond you.
I have already told you the majority of people in the latest census identified as Scottish only so you are wrong to say the majority are Scottish British. Did that fact slip your House Jock mind?
Anon Britnat troll lying again at 4.28pm - proud of yourself liar.
DeleteI know this is polarised, but it's not denial independence is just a political aspiration, nothing unusual in that. Same as for some in NI unification is a political aspiration. Every election we have are competing political aspirations.
DeleteSo no response from IFS to my post at 4:41.
DeleteSurprise surprise!
Oh dear, IFS has gone to ground!
DeleteOf course he’s gone to ground. When the truth’s cast up to him he hates it, has no response and disappears.
DeletePost at 4.41pm - what post. You imagining things again KC.
DeleteBritnat Troll at 6.04pm - same to you. Where is this imaginary post of 4.41pm? What a pair of Britnat 🤡 🤡 Clowns.
Ifs, has it no occurred to you that their might hae been a comment at 4 41 that was deleted an maybe they posters ere no as big a clowns as yer makin oot
DeleteNo, they're just clowns, same as yersel'🤡
DeleteIFS, I think this is the latest tactic from your stalkers - 'post' invisible comments which nobody sees and then claim you failed to answer them. I suppose it makes a change from the 'I agree with myself' meme.
DeleteBubble paranoia writ large.
Delete7:34 Incomprehensible psychobabble.
DeleteAnon at 6.45pm - that is obviously a possibility that occurred to me but anon at 7.02pm nicely sums you all up.
DeleteSums you up too.
DeleteAnon at 8.29. If only that was intended as satire.
DeleteChris McEleny is quoted online with the bbc that "..."Angus Brendan MacNeil will not be the last high-profile new member of Alba Party in the coming weeks and months," he said." Lets wait some weeks and see how true his words are. Still I suppose we may have a different view as to what High-profile means.
ReplyDeleteOn past form it'll be some little-known freeport enthusiast.
DeleteAlba often say that. After Ash they said the same and it was Chris Cullen
ReplyDeleteLOL
DeleteAs the old joke goes, Chris Cullen defecting from SNP to Alba increased the average intelligence of both parties.
DeleteSNP is the best party.
ReplyDeleteJames should join that.
LOL
DeleteI'll only join if Christine Glurt joins first.
DeleteJoin Reform. Help to clean up our society. The wilfully unemployed, the benefit cheats, the recidivists.
ReplyDeleteNo thanks.
DeleteWhat about the underemployed like the King and the Queen and the sleeping Lords hereditary or otherwise. There's more important issues in the UK than the ones reform mention, PR would be a start, set hours for politicians would be another plus a massive wage cut, unless it's their only job.
Deletewhy do people mention "reform", it's not reform it's the
DeleteENGLISH BASTARD PARTY
That's absolute rubbish Farage can trace his parentage right back to Attila the Hun
DeleteJames - it's clear that a full political cleanse is needed. Political parties are no longer fit for purpose. They will only become so again, once some of their power is removed through active challenge from without. That challenge must be to interrogate individual candidates in the months before elections and the parties real intentions at all times. Independents for Independence are a complementary tool who can adopt their own policies, based on conscience and thoroughly argued policy in the public domain - not, as currently stands, the top down dictat of professional politicians wholly reliant on the 'information' supplied by lobbyists and the permanent government of the British state (the civil service).
ReplyDeleteThe SNP may yet be salvageable - but not until it has been subjected to more electoral punishment and the challenge of alternatives. The Alba Party could have been in contention to provide this challenge, but those who run it would rather keep control, because they have delusions of adequacy.
Where 'Independents for Independence' falls down: You would need those independents to have strong name recognition behind them to have any hope of gaining traction.
DeleteIf you're going up against the political parties local activist Joe Bloggs won't cut it unless you're chasing lost deposits.
That's why the process of campaigning for such Independents needs to start as soon as possible and continue onwards to an election.
DeleteGood evening my dear friends.
ReplyDeleteGood evening, you wondrous spirit of magnificence. Welcome.
DeleteI think it would be wonderful to have you back in the SNP. I sense from articles and letters in The National that there is a deep well of desire for a more radical stance to be adopted by the party. The ultra-caution and compromising nature of John Swinney's leadership is an insubstantial foundation for any movement, and it may well fall suddenly because supporters of tepid centrism almost by definition cannot be passionate about their beliefs. It is my personal belief that we need to stop worrying about frightening the middle-class horses and adopt a more radical egalitarianism to win back the working classes of the cities and central belt without whom independence is unachievable. But we also need the passion of those not of a socialist inclination - the likes of Kate Forbes, Fergus Ewing and yourself, James - because independence-supporting radicalism comes in many forms. While Kate might not be so keen on taxing the rich till the pips squeak, I'm sure she has a great deal of sympathy for wresting control of Scotland's hills and glens away from the obscenely wealthy neo-feudal clique who own most of it. Come back to the SNP, James, and be a productive gadfly like Margo was in her heyday.
ReplyDeleteFlaw in this plan: John Swinney isn't going anywhere anytime soon. He has the support of the Parliamentary Party and likely majority of the membership.
DeleteSwinney deserves credit for stabilising the party. If independence has to drop off the agenda for a while until the primary vehicle to deliver it is fixed, that's understandable. It's certainly a lot better situation than we were in under Useless, pandering to a loony left fringe who had no genuine interest in Scotland being independent.
DeleteSo he should rejoin the SNP due to your personal beliefs and hope? Don't people need something a little more tangible than that?
DeleteHope and belief in the SNP's leadership are what got us to this miserable point in the first place.
James - Angus MacNeil threw himself out of the SNP. You didn't throw yourself out of Alba and attempting to draw comparisons between the two scenarios is just wrong. MacNeil was extremely abusive in public towards the SNP Chief Whip, Brendan O'Hara. He then was subject to the party’s disciplinary process which gave him a token suspension after which he refused to rejoin his Parliamentary colleagues in the SNP Whip . He refused to do so and ended up giving his colleagues no option but to expel him from the SNP. I don't know the full gamut of what you did to annoy your Alba colleagues but in no way did it compare to MacNeil's behaviour towards his SNP colleagues.
ReplyDeleteUnless you were there when it happened, I don't know how you can be sure of what went on between Angus MacNeil and Brendan O'Hara - there are two sides to that story. On the question of what motivated the Alba powers-that-be to expel me, I've been as open about that as I can - the only things I haven't revealed are incidents that would be deemed to be confidential because they took place during meetings of committees. Let me put it this way: I would be more than content for those incidents to become public knowledge. Some of what has gone on should really be leading to resignations, but Alba members are totally in the dark about it.
Delete"MacNeil was extremely abusive in public towards the SNP Chief Whip, Brendan O'Hara"
DeleteWere you there?
He claims Brendan O'Hara used his position as Chief Whip to bully him, scurrying around saying and I quote: "I'll get him, I'll get him, I WILL get him! - mark my words"
Angus called him a small wee man in response and that was used as an excuse to suspend him. MacNeil maintains that his suspension and subsequent expulsion were due to his outspoken criticism of the SNP's independence strategy, rather than the initial altercation with the chief whip.
I’m surprised that no journalist is following this whole Alba story. Including all the goings on last year. It shows how irrelevant Alba is.
DeleteAnon at 8.47pm says: " SNP's independence strategy" - would that be Russell's 11 point plan. You cannot be serious. Or is it the famous Nicola's secret master plan. Again you cannot be serious.
DeleteThe only plan Sturgeon had was to scupper independence. There was never an independence strategy.
It was a matter of record that Angus MacNeil was not bothering to turn up for whipped votes in the House of Commons. The SNP Whip, whom I gave always regarded to be a very reasonable individual, does his job and writes to Angus to remind him that he should be turning up to vote. Angus then spat the dummy and threw a tantrum at Brendan O'Hara in the lobby of the House of Commons. I have never thought that asking someone to do their job was an unreasonable thing to do. Angus MacNeil obviously did.
DeleteThe Times newspaper is not exactly SNP-Friendly, so this is very interesting.
ReplyDeleteLatest polling puts SNP on a substantial 37% in Scotland, which would mean another SNP Scotgovt and another Pro-Indy Majority in HR -
"John Swinney is on course to command a pro-independence majority in Holyrood and lead the SNP into a third decade in power after a popular debut budget as first minister, according to a new poll ⬇️"
Poll gives SNP 59 HR Seats and Greens 7.
DeleteTotal of 66.
Pro-Indy Majority.
Nice.
David - not as nice as:
Delete2016. 46.5% Constituency 41.7% Regional. SNP 63 MSPs.
2021 47.70 Constituency 40.34% Regional SNP 64 MSPs
So are the SNP going to do something about independence with a smaller percentage of the votes and less MPs than they had for the previous 10 years? That would be nice but very surprising.
James.........judge for yourself the reaction on here to the latest Norstat Poll showing a continued Pro-Indy Majority at HR, which puts SNP a whopping 39 Seats ahead of second placed Labour.
ReplyDeleteSeems like Scottish Voters are warming to the SNP again and now rate them, under Swinney's leadership and Robison's Budget.
As I said previously, there are those on here who will 'hate' those very positive results, purely because they hate the SNP.
My advice to you, is to simply ignore those posters completely and concentrate on what Scottish Voters seem to be telling you, now.
You put a positive spin on this, but it will, without doubt, be disappointing to end up with a lower vote share and fewer seats than 2021.
DeleteAnd 5 more years pursuing the 'Gold Standard' Section 30 Order approach to independence.
DeleteSame Norstat poll puts support for Independence at a very healthy 54%.
ReplyDeleteAll in all, unmitigated GOOD NEWS for Yessers!
Then what? Are we still hoping for the UK Government to give into the "democratic pressure" for another vote?
DeleteReal good news would be a chance to vote yes in a de facto independence referendum in the next two years. Is John the Redactor going to be Scotland's man of steel or Scotland's man of jelly.?
DeleteSNP 37% Constituency still shows a big gap to yes vote of 54%. A gap of 17% for those not good at sums.
SNP 32% Regional List shows an even larger gap compared to yes vote of 54%. A gap of 22% for those not good at sums.
A real party of independence would call a de facto referendum for 2026. I said the same in 2020. It's a no brainer. Still waiting.
Oh KC, up at five o'clock again. The sound of your parents humping in the next bedroom woke you up again?
DeleteYou can have another vote. Not for England to dictate. Clean up your own country
ReplyDeleteYou don't know me, James, but as far as I'm concerned, you were one of the few people that made ALBA credible. It seemed to me an entirely misguided project from the beginning, but your efforts to make it a credible and accountable party were resisted, because it is neither of those things. While I don't really agree with you that there's somehow a way to bypass Westminster on the way to independence, your blog has done more to inform the discussion than anything ALBA has or will do. So whether you join another party (and to be honest, the SNP and Greens are the only show in town, and you're obviously not Green!) or not, you are doing great work with your blog. In any case, whatever you decide, best wishes.
ReplyDeleteYou've obtained the Rev's endorsement to stand as an Independent!
ReplyDeleteHe's tweeted: "Oh lord, please let James Kelly stand as an independent in the 2026 Holyrood election."
Great. Now we just need him to move back up from Bath and he can vote for James! "What's that? *Live* in SCOTLAND? Yuck, no thanks."
DeleteThis is a desperately sad indictment of Alba and its leaders, past and present. Hopefully those who had exhorted us to abandon SNP and vote Alba will reflect and apologise. Gross misjudgement by them. Those of us who saw this coming take no satisfaction in being proven to be right.
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