Saturday, February 24, 2024

The Alba Party needs a bit less authoritarianism and a bit more transparency

I noticed yesterday that Alba Dundee's Twitter account had been suspended, which seemed a strange coincidence given the controversy that was swirling over Alba Dundee's go-it-alone decision to back a spoilt ballot campaign at the general election. The allegation today is that Alba HQ reported the Alba Dundee account as an "impostor" and got it suspended and replaced with an HQ-run account.  Allan Petrie, who was an elected member of the Alba NEC until a few short weeks ago, has reacted in fury and left the party.  This follows several other high-profile departures due to the fall-out from the internal elections in October and December.

Now, to be clear, I think Alba Dundee's spoilt ballot campaign decision was extremely unwise, because it would have harmed the cause of independence, and it was probably also unsustainable, because it wasn't really reconcilable with Alba's national strategy of standing candidates in at least twelve constituencies.  But that meant a mature conversation needed to be had between the national party and the Dundee LACU.  And yes, the national party's position had to take precedence if agreement couldn't be reached, but draconian action should have been a last resort.  It sounds as if it was more like a first resort.

There's been a bit of a trend of high-handedness recently, most obviously in the reaction to some of the questions that were raised about the voiding of the national office bearer elections and the cancellation of the NEC elections in October, and the subsequent decision to keep the results of the rescheduled NEC elections secret in December (other than the names of those elected).  Specifically, a question was asked about an alleged discrepancy between the number of people registered for conference in October and the number who were actually able to vote in December.  The General Secretary responded on the Alba website, as was entirely proper, but he ended his response by attacking those who had raised concerns and accusing them of being out to harm Alba.  That was more than a little unfair given that some of those people were very senior party members and even former NEC members.  But subsequently there seemed to be a concerted effort on social media to get them shouted down as enemies of the party.

This is all a bit silly, because the reality is that it is highly unusual to suddenly void elections when everyone is sitting in the conference hall waiting to hear the results.  It's highly unusual to suddenly cancel an election that everyone is sitting there waiting to vote in.  And it's highly unusual to keep an election result secret.  In such genuinely strange circumstances, you can quite rightly expect to be asked questions about what the hell is going on, and the best thing to do is just chill out and answer those questions as transparently as you can, rather than getting all passive-aggressive about being challenged.

There are all sorts of claims and counter-claims flying around about the conduct of the elections, and it's very difficult to know who to believe.  But there are two points in particular that still trouble me.  Firstly, did anyone know what the results of the original office bearer elections were before they were voided?  If so, there's a theoretical danger that the decision to void may have been influenced by the identities of the winners.  (I have no personal axe to grind there, because I would guess I almost certainly did better in the re-run version of the Membership Support Convener election in December than I did in the original in October.) And secondly, if it's true that the NEC results had to be kept secret for data protection reasons, why was the same not the case in the previous two years, when the results were published without any difficulty?  There may well be perfectly simple and reasonable answers to these questions, but to the best of my knowledge we haven't heard any yet.

To avoid continuing alienating members in the way that's been happening, Alba need a bit less authoritarianism and a bit more transparency.  To be fair, the same could be said for most political parties, but it's been very much Alba's turn to struggle with these issues in recent months.  As regular readers will know, I was recently elected to a working group that is reviewing the Alba constitution.  For confidentiality reasons I can't give a running commentary on the progress of that, but let's hope that in a year or two we have a reformed party which is more comfortable in its own skin, and where everyone feels their voice is heard and valued.  We should expect nothing less from an exciting new party which ought to be blazing a trail for internal democracy and transparency, rather than slipping straight back into the bad habits of the much older party its members broke away from three years ago.

111 comments:

  1. Try as you might to claim differently, Alba is not and never will be a Scottish political party, it's a Salmond hail Mary revenge stunt that hasn't and isn't going to work

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    1. Och gies peace!

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    2. I don't know on what planet it isn't a Scottish political party, it has representation at all three tiers of government, and finished a clear sixth in the Holyrood list popular vote - ahead of Reform UK, for example.

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    3. Not so sure about that. For instance, I contributed to Neil Hanvey's election fund when he was suspended (on a spurious accusation) from the SNP. I was very happy he was subsequently elected as an SNP MP. He later moved back a couple of rows to join the few other MPs who stood as SNP candidates. He, and they, have no mandate from the electorate. I therefore feel I should be asking for my money back, their claims to be 'Alba MPs' has no basis in reality. They are highly unlikely to be returned to Parliament next time.
      The current storm in a teaspoon (a cup has too great a capacity) in Dundee is exactly what I'd expect from the 'awkward squad' from the SNP who are probably pleased to be rid.

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    4. "their claims to be 'Alba MPs' has no basis in reality"

      Er, what? Which bit are you denying - that they're MPs or that they're Alba? If they claimed not to be either of those things, that certainly would be a denial of reality. As far as your donation to Neale Hanvey's campaign is concerned, you already knew at that point he was going to be outside the SNP parliamentary party after the election, and that was through no choice if his own.

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  2. Despite the intrinsic necessity of transparency, internal democratic processes, and deference to diversity within the Alba Party, rigorous scrutiny of social media content from local branches remains imperative. This practice guarantees coherence, reputation preservation, and internal concordance. Through meticulous oversight, the party can preempt potentially litigious discourse, uphold integrity, maintain unwavering focus on pivotal issues, and project a unified and credible image to the electorate, thereby augmenting its efficacy in the political sphere.

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    1. What a load of mince. If a fledgling party, with a few employees, spends an inordinate amount of time monitoring the twitter bubble, no policy or strategy will be formulated.
      There have been complaints against office bearers and no action taken.At this rate the busiest committees within Alba will be both the Disciplinary and Appeals.
      The old saying about being in a hole, springs to mind.

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    2. Frank, you're replying to AI-generated text. I don't know what the prompt was, but even so. No point raging at a robot.

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  3. Be fair James, Alba does not have one single representative in office that was voted in to represent Alba, until they do you can't make claims of legitimacy

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    1. What does "legitimacy" even mean in this context? I would have said a legitimate political party is one that meets the Electoral Commission's requirements for registration.

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    2. The use of the term "legitimacy" in this context conveys the essential moral and political approval conferred upon elected officials by the governed populace.

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    3. Thank you, Chat GPT. But remember the disclaimer that Chat GPT sometimes gets it wrong...

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    4. I like Alba but it can't be denied chatgbt have it right here. Once it has an elected politician we're in a different from of legitimacy, I'm sure if it happened you're next blog post would mention just that

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    5. It's got four elected politicians. You were careful with your terminology earlier but you've slipped up badly there. Maybe you should leave it to Chat GPT.

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  4. Terence Callachan Dundee , ALBA is a trusted political party in Scotland mainly because of its link with A S but also because people feel the SNP have let them down being so innocuous to Westminster control.
    It is also true that many people who feel this way will not vote for SNP simply because they know that it splits the independence vote and independence to us is more important than party politics , we fully understand that splitting the independence vote will give power to england and its helpers to claim that support for independence is waning , if somehow we could get all political parties that support Scottish independence to coordinate and reach agreement to work together we could avoid splitting the indy vote and even max it further.If there was a way to move everyone over to ALBA from SNP at the same time we would probably do it but the risk of a split indy vote is too much of a risk to take.

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    1. C'mon Terence you know better than that, Alex Is toxic and nobody will vote for a party led by him

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    2. Hi Terrence, I get where you're coming from with the whole ALBA thing and the push for Scottish independence. But, you know, AS (Alex Salmond) might not be the rockstar he once was according to recent polls. Sure, the SNP isn't perfect, but splitting support among parties like ALBA could weaken our independence stance, handing more ammunition to the anti-independence crowd. Instead of spreading ourselves thin, let's stick together, focused on our common goal.

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    3. Terence CallachanDundee here, thanks for your response to my post at 1020pm , i was initially puzzled but then i noticed that in my post i said
      " It is also true that many people who feel this way will not vote for SNP simply because they know it splits the independence vote "

      I meant to say
      " It is also true that many people who feel this way will not vote for ALBA simply because they know it splits the independence vote "

      I am all for ALBA i would vote for them , i would vote for AS i firmly beleive he was set up just like i firmly beleive NS is being set up its what Westminster does , its no coincidence that the last two SNP party leaders have been targetted by Westminster they need to bring them down its panic time for them because independence support is increasing .
      Even though i am all for ALBA i am for Scottish independence more and taking a risk of splitting the indy vote is too big an ask for me personally so the point i was teying to make in my earlier post is that i beleive people want to vote for ALBA but wont for fear of splitting the indy vote.

      I didnt make that clear in my post of of 1020pm because i erroneously typed in SNP instead of ALBA in that sentence ive highlighted her , i was sleepy 😊

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    4. I think Alex Salmond should step down as leader of ALBA and become honorary President, and I would vote for Ash Regan to replace him.

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  5. The SNP need to declare the GE a de facto referendum, let’s get independence done. 50% + 1 is enough, there are no minority vetoes in a democratic system.
    To hell with Westminster, it's the wider global community that matters and they are democrats.
    Let's build a wall, get London to pay for the wall, and keep Suella Braverman on the other side of it. (A joke. Maybe.)

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    1. It could have been done with Sturgeon as leader and called and carried circa Jan last year. Left far too late now and would actually be a hindrance to future defacto votes if it was called under a weak SNP.

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    2. Anon at 11:53, I’d have to agree with you on that, a de facto referendum could only be won with a strong SNP.
      Plus, let’s be honest, independence aside, they haven’t performed well as a government in recent years. Maybe a few years in opposition wouldn’t do the SNP and general independence movement any harm.

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    3. You are KC and I claim my 50p.

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    4. What do the initials KC stand for (in the previous post)?

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    5. Anonymous at 11:57, what are you talking about? You’ve lost me!

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    6. Jamie: In the world of political change, patience is like your secret superpower. Remember, Rome wasn't built in a day, and neither are big changes in society. It's all about playing the long game, building alliances, and sticking it out for the long haul. Slow and steady wins the race.

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    7. Anonymous at 12:17, that’s why I said a period in opposition might not do the SNP and independence cause any harm.
      We will gain our independence, but as you say, patience is the name of the game.

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    8. You are both without a shadow of doubt KC and I will quite happily claim 50p over and over again all day.

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    9. Who the hell is KC??

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    10. You. Stop pretending - or dare I say it, na na na na na na na na na na na, baby give it up, give it up, baby give it up.

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    11. Who or what is this KC that keeps being mentioned? I just don’t get it.

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    12. Everybody wants you, everybody wants your love. I'd just like to make you mine, all mine.

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  6. Come on SNP, make the GE a de facto referendum. We’ve waited far too long for our independence.

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    1. The waiting has more to do chicanery of the manifesto rather than any desire for waiting on the part of Scots. A nation wanting independence undeniably would vote SNP, and Scotland has done exactly that in the last *ten* elections in a row. It's beyond dispute that Scotland wants to leave the UK, and all true democrats acknowledge this.

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    2. Anon at 9:06, sorry I’d have to dispute that. What you mean is it’s beyond dispute 40 odd percent of Scotland wants to leave the UK.
      We need to get support for independence above 50%.

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    3. What is this? Are we graced with the presence of Sleeping Beauty on this blog? Or have you just been living down a hole for years? LOL. The credible pollsters Ipsos and Find Out Now have been showing independence support consistently above 50% for many years. We don't "need" something we already have. What we need to do now is deliver the will of the people and become an independent country.

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    4. Joking aside, it's strange that an "independence supporter" like Anon at 9.48 needs to be told that Yes support is already above 50%. You'd be forgiven for thinking he's not an independence supporter at all, but instead oooh I dunno KC in disguise or something.

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    5. Anon at 11:23, you’re right of course the previous poster talks nonsense. Find out Now and Ipsos are the only polls I take any notice of, far more reliable than the likes of Yougov.

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    6. Agreed. Ipsos in particular have a very strong pedigree, going back decades (in the form of Ipsos MORI and before that MORI).

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    7. Yip there’s clearly a majority in favour of independence.

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    8. Yes 53% No 47% according to Ipsos.

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    9. Totally agree with an earlier comment that the only reliable polling companies are Ipsos and Find out Now.
      Polls conducted by the likes of YouGov, Redfield and Survation should be ignored or at the very least be taken with a very large pinch of salt.

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    10. That's very much the orthodox view, yes, and with the pedigree of Ipsos it's also the sensible view.

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  7. Alba’s internal voting process sounds, as the youngsters put it:: “sketchy AF.”

    I voted Alba in 2021. (So far the only time Alba has appeared on my ballot.)

    Until they conduct open internal elections, I can’t say I will again. This stuff is a major red flag for me. What are they hiding?

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    1. I’ll add that, of course, I don’t follow these procedures in parties generally. The public only really hears details like this when something is very, very wrong. It’s immediately worrying.

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    2. These details don't matter. Parties vary a lot and the ones that exert central control are often best at winning.

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    3. Well, I suppose Tony Blair exerted a lot of central control and won a lot of elections. But it only "doesn't matter" if you actually want Blair-style rule. Personally I don't. And being in a small party that *doesn't* win elections but is still run with top-down control-freakery would be the worst of all worlds.

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    4. I can now see your point in fairness. Blair had his grip tight and won big, but not everyone's into that sort of thing. And imagine being in a tiny party, not winning squat, but still dealing with control freaks at the top. That'd be a nightmare.

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  8. Alba are standing in 12 constituencies. What would count as a success? Getting one?

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    1. No, this is a first-past-the-post election. Their aim will be votes not seats.

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    2. Oh, absolutely spot on! Look at UKIP, right? They made waves without bagging many seats. It's like playing the game differently, focusing on votes rather than seats. ALBA's onto something here, aiming to shake things up without necessarily needing seats. It's all about strategy not seats.

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  9. Seems Alba have shot themselves in the foot , they should know that anything like this will likely be caused by the SNP plants/agitators that must be in the party ? they will also probably leak all this stuff to their friends in the media to try to level the playing field, to be able to say Ah! Alba/Alex Salmond is as bad as the SNP and cant be trusted.

    *NOT MY PARLIAMENT

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    1. Totally get where you're coming from. But think about what really gets folks hooked on the news. Political gossip? Sure, it's like a guilty pleasure. But diving into internal party procedures? Most folks will be snoozing before you can say politics! Only the stories that hit close to home make an impact. So, as for the SNP planting spies - doubt it!

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  10. It's political electioneering nonsense to demand the SNP make the General election a de facto referendum, because even if they did win such a vote , which they would the Westminster parliament would immediately say NO in very big letters stating that the SNP has no legal authority to declare what would be effectively UDI, they'd arrest the SNP and we'd be in a Catalonia situation
    Everybody knows this is what Alex Salmond is up to, including the SNP, his hatred is so strong he would see Scotland under Martial Law
    for his revenge on Nicola Sturgeon for refusing to help him out of his own self inflicted troubles

    The SNP can promise negotiations on independence if they win the general election, but they cannot promise independence because Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland do not exist within a democratic union of nations, we live under a monarchial system of archaic dictatorship that smiles and waves at us but would kill every single one of us if they thought they could get away with it

    I really don't think enough people understand what England actually is

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    1. People have tried to blame Alex Salmond for a great many things, but imaginary martial law is a new one.

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    2. To be honest with you, some of those points are a bit out there. Saying that for the SNP to declare UDI and get arrested is what Alex Salmond is aiming towards? Bit dramatic, isn't it? Let's not get too carried away with the rhetoric. We're all about friendly chats here, not conspiracy theories.

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    3. Oh, it was definitely Eck who put that idea into Nicola’s mouth. She still loves him to bits. Isn’t it obvious? 😉

      Seriously, though, de facto is all we have left after that pathetic “supreme” court case and their hard Brit ruling that we have no right to a vote whatsoever. The key is in when to play it. With an English Labour landslide on the cards, it feels an unwise time. Starmer needs a chance to fail, first. Let his true colours—red white and royal blue—come through loud and clear and we will have our crisis.

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    4. The SNP do seem to be in constant dialogue with ex Catalonia officials

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    5. Terence Callachan Dundee ,
      AS was set up , tried , found not guilty but that was only the court trial
      the other trial the one by the english newspapers
      ( including those newspapers with the word Scottish in their title ) and the BBC STV and all radio stations
      ( which by the way all use the same source for their news )
      found AS guilty before the trial had begun , leading up to the trial they plastered his picture across their front pages alongside unrelated stories of murderers
      the court allowed journalists and reporters from these english newspapers and the BBC STV and radio stations into the court the rest of us were banned
      The only reports we got during the trial were the one sided reports that we had already been fed by these newspapers on the BBC SKY STV during the weeks and weeks before the trial saying he was guilty
      Then we were told that even though ten people had accused him and none of the accusations were found to be proven in court the names of the ten people accusing him were to be kept secret , FOREVER , in any form of fair law that is just incomprehensible especially given that it came out in court that someone behind the scenes was coordinating this collection of accusers which was against the law.
      The whole episode stinks of Westminster conniving to bring the leader of the SNP down .
      Next we have the attempt to damage the reputation of NS theyve tried to create a seruous offence errecting a murder enquiry scene on her front garden then desperately teying to link her and her husband to theft and fraud all the while ho charges because no evidence and yet we have hundreds of millions of pounds fraud clearly evidenced by Westminster MPs giving public contracts to their family and pals and its laughed off as some slip of the pen.
      Dont make me laugh , anyone that cannot see that AS and NS have been attacked by Westminster to try and destabilise the Scottish independence movement doesnt want to see .
      One more thing , ive never met AS or NS i dont know them i judge them by the work they do for Scotland , i see a lot od comments about their personalities many of the comments are cut and pasted from the Herald or the Daily Mail etc i say to those people wake up get a life dont believe everything you read in the newspapers or hear on the tv even if they all issue the same story , Westminsters propaganda war on Scotland reaches far and wide , global in fact so do not underestimate its power of persuassion , always reset and say so where is the real evidence
      wait a minute AS was found not guilty
      wait a minute no charges have been brought against NS or her husband , after all this time ?

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    6. Terence, the persecution of Salmond was organised by Sturgeon and her disappeared husband Murrell. The Britnats just joined in the action after Sturgeon's gang got it going. Do you really not know this after all these years? Sturgeon even brazenly said on the telly that some of the alphabetties are her friends. Do you really not know who the betties are? You very rightly say " where is the real evidence" evidently you cannae see when it is all out there.

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  11. De facto referendum / vote of any kind should be done in an organised fashion so we can build up to the big day like we did last time 2014, we wont make the same mistakes we made last time.
    In my opinion we need to debunk this nonsense that we only get a Scottish independence referendum every seven years or every ten years or thirty years or once in a lifetime or never , we are Scottish , we Scottish people will have a Scottish undependence referendum whenever we damn well please when we have already installed a Scottish SNP majority government for that very purpose , there is absolutely no valid reason why we should listen to those who tell us how to do things in our own country for gods sake just look at England how many prime ministers have they put into power without them getting elected ? and none of those put in power would have even been close to getting elected by Scottish people where are the restrictions there ? absent none , they do as they please and ignore our needs.Enough is enough we are ready now for another Scottish independence referendum so Scottish government get your act together and get it organised.

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    1. The beauty of a de facto referendum is that it will happen without approval from Westminster, and with polls showing a majority for independence, it's likely to succeed.

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    2. True.

      The hard part is when you win it. There is no magic wand that makes such a vote an instant, binding UDI. The ball is definitely in your court at that point and, perhaps mixing sports metaphors here!, you’ve got to run with it as hard as you possibly can. Everything hinges on what actions you take with that thumping mandate, especially while it’s still hot.

      The goal is independence, not settling in, not a higher profile in Westminster’s establishment. Not getting cosy with your 50+ MPs that a majority vote of all Scotland would bring. In fact, it’s vital they don’t even get their snouts in the trough. The goal is to settle up! The goal is to take Scotland’s sovereignty back home.

      Forcing action from the Westminster government elected in that same election. That’s what it’s all about. Force them to negotiate. Force them to either recognise our independent statehood or (with that threat in our pocket) force them into a rerun of 2014.

      Believe me, they will do everything they can to ignore us otherwise. It’ll take balls, passion, perseverance and courageous leadership.

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    3. The beauty of it being that the timing will be the Scottish people’s to choose. And when the party of independence actually wins their explicit permission, with a majority vote on a manifesto promising independence, then we may hear our friends abroad finally speak up and begin to give our cause the support we need to see it through.

      It’s not good form, diplomatically, to interfere when only a minority want to declare independence. But when it’s the demonstrated majority will of the Scottish people? The game is finally ready to begin.

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  12. Comment 2.29pm by terence callachan dundee

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  13. The de facto referendum. The route to our dream.
    Bring it on.

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    1. Yes, it's undoubtedly the most viable and sensible way forward. You don't need to keep repeating yourself, most of us here agree with you.

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  14. We can this and we can that, I don't think half of you people realize where you live, it's like you've got some notion that you live in a democracy where people's opinions count
    Scotland is a colony of England, we're never going to be allowed to do anything by that country, and nobody in Scotland, certainly not politicians are going to lift a finger to do anything about it except talk and that's all fine by England, they'll talk and talk until we're all dead and buried then start all over again, but they ain't relinquishing their ownership of Scotland without a big gun to their head

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  15. Israel says it isnae stopping aid getting in to Gaza. This is Trumpian style lies. The type of lies that everybody in the world knows is a lie but the liar disnae care. Israel sticking two fingers up to the rest of the world because they know they have the backing of the big international bully boy USA. Meanwhile Sunak sends U.K. planes to bomb a different set of Arabs. The planes having to take off from US carriers as the two multi billion UK carriers ain't working.

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  16. The absolute shite just keeps on coming from the nicophants.

    Mad WGD nicophant Dr Jim says: " Most popular FM and vote winner with the highest ever poll ratings, dug the party out of the deep hole left post 2014, and the most popular amongst Scotland's women voters which as we know is extremely important
    Plus almost definitely the reason why Humza Yousaf is the current FM until he's not

    And as we know the sole reason Operation Branchform was invented"

    Jimbo if she was so good why are we not independent right now. Why did she fake it for 9 years and then run away after failing to deliver Indyref2 despite winning multiple elections on the back of false promises to deliver Indyref2. Where is the missing £600k?
    If this crock of shite wisnae bad enough the mad liar Skier chips in with this:-

    " She clearly terrifies England, even though she's just a backbench MSP these days. Would be ideal as the first president of a Scottish republic,....."

    Theses two are so nicophantic they will probably buy a dozen copies of her book (if it is ever released) each to try and boost it's sales so they can prattle on about how popular she is. Skier better check if, like Trump in the USA, the Scottish president can be president while in jail.


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    1. I'm struggling to see what "deep hole" she had to dig the SNP out of post 2014. They soared in the opinion polls in the weeks after the referendum.

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    2. "Independence for Scotland", let's face it, the only reason we're not independent is that the UK government are ignoring what Scotland wants and what Scotland repeatedly votes for. The UK is a prison.

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    3. Anon at 11.06am - yes you could describe it as a prison but a more internationally recognised term is colony. If a colony is valuable it is not surrendered easily by the colonists but that is not "the only reason" - useless leaders who do not recognise the reality of being in a colony and punt the line that the colonisers are our friends and family. Friends and family do not generally lock you up and steal your resources and if they do they are people you want to distance yourself from. Independence is de - colonisation.

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  17. In my opinion there was no need for Alba. If the people concerned were scunnerred by the way the SNP was going then they should have remained inside the party and fought for change. I was a member of the SNP when more than a few of the same people concerned had issues with the direction of the SNP, but they stayed in it and fought their corners. It genuinely does my head in to see division in the independence movement. There always should be tolerance of dissent and differing opinions but we shouldn't lose sight of the bigger prize. As for Alba Dundee advocating the spoiling if ballot papers at the next election, I can only shake my head in dismay. If Alan Petrie was behind this then he should be ashamed of himself.

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    1. " fought for change" - Sturgeon's gang had the SNP stitched up so that members had next to little power. eg: the NEC could just override the process for electing the leader. When the members elected a new treasurer Murrell wouldn't let him near the accounts so he and others newly elected to audit roles resigned. Murrell then appointed the previous treasurer Beattie. Sturgeon's gang created the division.

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    2. Not one word of what you wrote is true

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    3. Alba do not exist to help Scotland, they exist as a revenge mob and advertising for Salmond to keep his name fresh in the hope he gets offered money making activities, Oops wait, he just got more TV shows, not be long till the union helps him out some more

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    4. I think you're confusing Mr Salmond with his narcissistic, media attention seeking, bouquet receiving successor

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    5. Salmond's behaviour shows him up to be just another Trump

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  18. Proof (if proof were needed) Alba is irrelevant.

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  19. Resident WGD numpty and Palestinian genocide supporter Tatu3 says :- " I don't think Palestinians are that stupid to think that the IDF are targeting them and not Hamas. " Yep there are people out there who think the IDF are just trying to kill Hamas members but cannae aim straight.

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    1. They had to go and put that hospital in the way. This place is a nightmare for clear lines of fire. There’s folk everywhere. What are they like?

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    2. If that quote ain't bad enough Tatu3 demonstrates that Israeli propaganda has been swallowed hook line and sinker by saying if Hamas is not destroyed Israel will no longer exist. That's right the WGD numpty actually thinks Hamas could wipe out the state of Israel. It just shows the value of propaganda - no matter how nonsensical it is there will always be an audience of numpties who will believe it.

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    3. Tatu3 keeps it going with a link to the Guardian which has an article about an Israeli hostage. It is estimated that Israel since 1967 has taken 1million Palestinian hostages. Israel a terrorist state terrorising Palestinians for a long long time.

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  20. If the UK wanted to really help Palestine: they still have a major air base on Cyrus: RAF Akrotiri. They could enforce a no fly zone over Gaza if they really disagreed with IDF actions there.

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  21. American Airforce man burns himself alive in front of Israeli embassy in Washington as he says himself in his own video that he cannot accept being complicit in a Palestinian genocide. Don't hold your breath waiting for Sunak and Starmer doing the same or any of the UK politicians who are also complicit.

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    1. I demand a lot more from our politicians than they currently do, but even I’d accept an apology and a 180° course change over self immolation! Mind, politicians are the only ones with the power to do more than protest and to actually make the policy decision. I sympathise with just how powerless such protesters feel.

      Notably: no picture of them in flames on the NYT or Guardian I just checked. Guess you don’t get that when you’re the wrong side. No Vietnam retrospective is ever complete without that image of the monk in flames in Saigon.

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  22. The National going big again on the McCrone report. More evidence that Scotland is a colony. Strangely enough I bet The National disnae say Scotland is a colony. Some speakers at the International Court of Justice seem to think Palestine is the last colony. It ain't.

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    1. Anon at 6.22pm - why? or are you just a troll. A newbie troll or an old Britnat troll.

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    2. Anon at 7.34pm - so says the old Britnat troll. I'll post the definition of a colony again for you, if you want. The fools are the people who settle for living in a colony and think their masters are their pals.

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    3. Well ifs, I’ll post again you’re talking complete and utter nonsense.

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    4. Anon at 8.14pm - not only are you an old Britnst troll you haven't the intellect or education to post any explanation that a primary 4 pupil could do.

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    5. Ifs, Scotland is one of 4 countries that make up this great United Kingdom. Only the dimmest of dimwits would say we’re a colony.

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    6. Ireland was too, when they left, sick of the colonials treating them like subhumans in the famine.

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    7. Britnat anon at 8.30pm - wow just wow what a breathtaking argument you put forward there. That is very impressive. Do many people know that incredible info just posted? So how does Scotland achieve independence. What is the process that shows Scotland is not a colony and can end the UK if it wants to?

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    8. Britnat anon at 9.23pm now that is without a doubt a simple answer but it is not an answer to my question. If Scotland is not a colony under the control of England there must be a process to end the UK. Try again or you will have just confirmed Scotland is a colony and proved that you are the one talking nonsense. I'm guessing you don't do logic very often but try and think about it really hard. Take your time. Even take a break if your brain starts to hurt.

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    9. Britnat anon who was at 9.23pm but may have possibly deleted his post I'm sorry if my question has given you a headache but this is a very long break you are taking. Scotland is a colony - thanks for helping to prove it. UK is NOT ok.

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    10. Ifs, I replied but it was deleted.
      You’re just talking nonsense.

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    11. Britnat anon - at 9.17am - sure it was deleted - by yourself no doubt because you read it over and were embarrassed. Go on post again - let's have a laugh - what is the process for Scotland to end the UK - still waiting for an answer.

      Does England have a process to end the UK? There is a new question for you. Sorry if it hurts your Britnat brain even more to consider that question. I wouldn't want to be responsible for your brain exploding.

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    12. Ifs, I don’t know how to delete comments so it wasn’t me who deleted it.

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    13. Britnat anon at 10.33am - 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 - this is the person who calls other people dimwits. So you cannae log in properly and get the delete option underneath each of your posts. I would suggest you log in properly and do yourself a favour and delete a lot of your posts in future. Anyway enough of this, you still haven't told me the process for Scotland or England, even, ending the UK. No process for Scotland confirms Scotland is a colony.

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    14. Anonymous 1214 not true, polls consistently show a majority in favour of ending the union

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    15. Britnat anon at 12.14pm - no answer to my question - that is a major issue for you because it shows Scotland is a colony and you Britnats delude yourself about the nature of the UK. Try and get things right. Scotland would be ending the UK not leaving it. If you are so confident about being in the majority why has there been no referendum to prove you are correct. The truth is the Britnats are in the minority and Britnats like you are peeing you pants about it.

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    16. Ifs, yet more utter BS.

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  23. The problem is they're going for "NOT MY PARLIAMENT" but there already is a well known Council of Europe campaign hashtag #NotInMyParliament which has been around since 2018.

    "On 23 November 2018, the Council of Europe Parliamentary Assembly (PACE) launched a new initative to counter sexism, harassment and violence against women in parliaments, #NotInMyParliament.”

    https://pace.coe.int/en/pages/not-in-my-parliament

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