Sunday, May 3, 2026

Alex Massie looks in the mirror and thinks he sees the true Scotland staring back at him

The context of this was a tweet from Massie in which he predicted that Scottish voters would choose the SNP on Thursday, and added that this would mean they had got it wrong - as if he was an exasperated teacher marking some very bad homework.   I actually have a pet theory about why he's so perpetually disappointed in his fellow Scots.  Something he said in one of his columns a few years ago has always stuck in my mind, and I think it was highly revealing - he said that most people in Scotland would agree that the country closest to us culturally is England, and that the next closest is Wales, and that the third closest is Ireland.

I would be so bold as to say that he's almost certainly wrong about that.  OK, being a Catholic, about two-thirds of my own pre-1850 ancestry is Irish, so that may be distorting my thinking, but I really have very little doubt that if a survey was conducted on the subject, most people in Scotland would say that Ireland is the country most similar to our own, with our more distant Celtic cousins Wales in second place, and England in third.  I mean, even if you were a hardcore Rangers supporter, who would you say in the UK is most similar to you, if you were being totally honest?  It would surely be loyalists in Northern Ireland.  For everyone else, the case is even more straightforward:

* As a cultural and ethnic group, the Scots supposedly came from Ireland in the first place (specifically Antrim).

* That, in combination with population movements back and forwards over the centuries, means that people in central Scotland and the north of Ireland are almost indistinguishable genetically.  I gather that some ancestry services don't even try to make the distinction, and just have a single "Central Scotland and Northern Ireland" group.

* For centuries, Scotland was a predominantly Gaelic-speaking nation, and at that time Gaelic was even closer to Irish than it is in the modern day - and indeed the written form of the language was actually identical to Irish.

* Scottish traditional music is so similar to Irish traditional music that I'm not sure a visitor from far-flung parts would be able to spot much difference between the two.

* Apparently part of the reason that a disproportionate number of Irish people settled in Scotland during and after the famine was because they felt it was culturally much more familiar than England.

And yet I can totally understand that things would look very different from the vantage point of someone with Massie's privileged background.  He went to insanely expensive private schools, one of which was in the Borders, and to him it must seem totally obvious that the Scotland he knows is more similar to England than to any other country.  And while the Scotland he knows is perfectly real, it's only a small and unrepresentative part of the whole.  Basically he looks in the mirror and thinks he sees Scotland staring back at him, but instead all he sees is himself and the people from his own milieu.  No wonder the way Scotland actually votes is so befuddling to him.

Although I'm not a regular follower of his and Bernard Ponsonby's podcast, I was intrigued to watch their ranking of the seven First Ministers to date.  (Massie's ranking was mostly ridiculous, although he did make one technically valid point, which was that Ponsonby had Donald Dewar too high because the assessment was based mainly on things Dewar had done as Secretary of State for Scotland rather than as First Minister.)  At the end of that show, Massie said that John Swinney was more typical of "average Scotland" (or some such jargon like that) than any other First Minister in the past.  Now I mustn't be churlish, because that was intended as a compliment to the leader of my own party...and yet objectively I do think it was another very odd and revealing comment.  All I really know about Mr Swinney's family background is that his uncle was awarded the Victoria Cross during World War II, but if his accent is anything to go by, he may have grown up in a reasonably 'good area', and he's certainly better educated than the average Scot - he has a degree from Edinburgh University.  He's also active in the Church of Scotland, which in this day and age puts him in the minority.  I think only really someone like Massie could look at all of that and think it represents some sort of centre of gravity for the nation as a whole.  But then I would imagine Massie thought Nicola Sturgeon belonged to the servant classes.

His father Allan Massie, who sadly died very recently, was one of this country's finest journalists, but he had a very similar blind spot.  I remember reading a column from him back in the day in which he celebrated the triumph of Thatcherite politics in New Zealand, which he bizarrely regarded as proof that Scots are actually Thatcherites because New Zealand is an ethnically "Scottish country" (a vast over-simplification, of course, although I believe there was a heavy concentration of Scottish immigrants in the south of New Zealand).  But for some baffling reason, Scots in the mother country kept voting against their true Tory nature, and he was just so terribly disappointed in us and wanted us to do better.  Alex continues to feel much the same way.

(To go back to the point about Ireland, the huge irony about Alex Massie is that he actually got his degree at Trinity College Dublin after he was rejected by Cambridge.  Presumably he must have either hated it for some reason, or surrounded himself with upper-crust Brits for the whole time he was there.)

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18 comments:

  1. I spend a lot of the year in Torrevieja, Spain
    I gather in the pub often there, with other people, Scots, Irish, English, Welsh and Germans (even Spanish!)

    When I speak in my broad Scottish accent, the Irish fully understood me, never ask me to repeat anything,
    The Welsh occasionally ask me to repeat things I say
    The Germans never ask me to repeat things I say

    The Spanish and English ALWAYS ask me to repeat, or speak slower!!

    I feel closest to the Irish and Welsh easily!!

    Here's a joke to end my spiel...

    A boat sank with 4 groups of people on it
    Scottish, Irish, Welsh and English

    They made it to a desert island 🏝️
    Where they had to live out their lives waiting to be rescued
    In the meantime, the Scottish started a whisky distillery, the Welsh started a choir, the Irish started a fight... And the English hadn't been introduced yet

    Make sense?

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  2. LOL! The Ponsonby & Massie podcast - or alternatively 'the smug brothers'. Alex Massie often says 'we' when talking about Labour so presumably he's a Labour man. You are right about the attitude to Nicola Sturgeon as belonging to the servant class. Sadly many of the middle-class independence commentariat and some of her colleagues regarded her as too common with both the media and chatterati elevating KC Joanna Cherry to naturally be 'a cut above' and of course much fawned by the likes of Ponsonby & Massie. The smug brothers couldn't contain their excitement when Labour won the Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse by-election with Ponsonby and his big mug (china one) almost leaping out of the screen with his gleeful declaration of 'Game On'. However, Scottish media get so bored with what they consider same old same old in Scotland, that they sensationalise any little thing to alleviate their boredom. On the FM comparison podcast you mention, hope you caught the bit where they were bragging how the press knew Jack McConnell had done nothing wrong but their tactic of hyping anything 'giving the appearance' of something wrong lost McConnell his job. That was insightful into how the press/media work. Massie comes across as another of those anglo-Scots who want to pull the ladder up under them so that none of the common plebs ever get access to their environment and so no threat of any newbies of the wrong social sort coming through to rain on his parade. They pander to the data competition and keeping their jobs these days - hence the increase in derogatory adjectives related to independence - especially from the likes of the now almost vicious Iain MacWhirter - what on earth happened to him? He's become an absolute OTT attack dog to Sturgeon - but then again, a lot of the media tits and bums booze with me press boys reaped the benefits of Salmond being a headliner and being a big money maker for them north of the border. Sturgeon wasn't in the boys club north OR south of the border and not a singer of bawdy barrack room ballads.

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    1. "how the press knew Jack McConnell had done nothing wrong"

      I think you mean Henry McLeish, don't you?

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    2. Anon May 4 1.35 - correct, thank you, Henry McL. Blimey, need to get myself checked out - I'm getting my FM's wrong - LOL!

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  3. Alex is writing to his Times reader audience. That paper attracts an English-centric audience, unsurprisingly. That includes Scots from areas that traditionally voted Tory; swathes of the Borders, much of Aberdeenshire, for example. Areas where, if the SNP are rejected in a constituency, they might stand a fighting chance of gaining a List seat instead. I read the Times. I lived in England for some years. Nothing that befell me there dented my persuasion that Scotland desperately needs to be divorced from England. I read the Times as a reminder why.

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  4. There are more millionaires per square mile in Kinshasa than in Lisbon.

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  5. Massie has the good Jock Angloholm Syndrome and a severe case of it as well. Does he actually live in Scotland at all?

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  6. Massie pretended to be neutral in the run up to the referendum.
    Says everything about the man you need to know.

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  7. John Swinney is from a working class area of Edinburgh. He went to Forresters High School.

    He spoke about his up bringing on a recent podcast. They were "poor" but his parents ensured he had all he needed often to their own detriment. So he certainly didn't grow up in poverty but I I'd suggest things were a little more bleak than you suggest James.

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  8. Massie spent all his life thinking he was "proper english" only to be told by them he "was a bit below the salt ... "

    - he has spent his entire life trying to prove to them that he really belongs in the club and his Scot-Hate schtick is the main part of this

    sing :

    I'm the king of the swingers
    the jungle VIP
    I've reached the top and I've got to stop
    and that's what's bothering me

    OOH OOH OOH I WANNA BE LIKE YOU OOOH OOOH
    I WANNA BE A WHITE MAN -ANGLO-

    Kipling, eat your heart out.

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  9. Totally fair comment. For what it's worth, I quite enjoy the podcast.
    Massie has made a career publishing more or less the same column every week about the imminent demise of the SNP. More seriously, he's a good example of the way in which Scottish Unionism has almost wholescale morphed into British Nationalism since the Referendum. That is, the former Unionist view that Scotland was (at least theoretically) an distinct country but was better off in the Union has been replaced by the belief that the UK is an indivisible 'nation' (Boris Johnson's so-called 'muscular unionism').

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  10. I am not sure which of English or Irish Scots are closer to. Culturally it's obviously Northern Ireland, especially for those of us from the west of Scotland, we are basically the same people. But when it comes to politics, historically we have been more deferent to authority compared to either the Irish or even English - its why Scots made better servants and soldiers than either. We like our distinctive identity but we don't want to do anything to rock the boat. Its telling that both the early Labour movement in cities and the Highland Land League in the later 19th century were very much inspired by Irish immigrants and example. And in England the mob has power of numbers, the establishment knows it can't push the Brexiteers too far. By contrast our own national movement it is a pretty toothless thing. The establishment knows we are not going to riot in the streets or attack anyone if we don't get our way, and frankly we like that nobody has died for Scotland's cause. Anyway this is a long-winded way of saying when it comes to politics (differently thing to culture), were are probably just a more independent-minded version of the Welsh.

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  11. I think you underestimate the role of the Borders in Massie's personal mythology. Years ago I heard him lecture on the folk culture of the Borders or some such title, and his core topics were rugby and the common ridings - intensely local, masculine and patriarchal. According to him, the guiding principle of Borders life is "aye bin" - It's aye bin like this, and it will aye be - and nae meddling fae ootbye fowk.

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  12. Also the Scots language is spoken both sides of the north channel.

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  13. Firstly, regarding the two big cities, Edinburgh is culturally close to England whereas Glasgow is culturally close to Ireland. The Highlands & Islands - as per Glasgow. The Borders all the way over to Dumfries - as per Edinburgh. The North East, where I live and have done since 2008, is far less clear cut - not sure.

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  14. Excellent article and insight . Thank you James =)

    This is so sad .
    I'm not sure whether poor Alex Massie is more to be pitied or scorned .

    I'm guessing his background was designed to give him an advantage in his world and yet I think that has backfired and left the poor soul out of touch , isolated and confused .

    Sadly , he may not be aware but I suspect Alex and Bernard , together with their misguided ilk are looked down upon by their English establishment counterparts .

    A double whammy .

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  15. These guys used to be the media. Turning up at every point in thecwritten ores and the giggle box. When xitter was a thing they were all over it and revelled in winding up the Nats. I’ve not picked up a British leaning paper since 2013 having read them all daily until then. I don’t frequent xitter so don’t have the disadvantage of seeing their game. Are podcasts where journalists go when folk stop paying them attention?
    I’m trying to imagine how the bbc will manage to play out their role as the State Broadcaster in a future indyref. Will the Yes side just ignore them? Imagine no Yes on Question Time or the news. Maybe they’ll do a ‘Gerry Adams’ voiceover with Massie, Daisley, the record guy and Ponsonby speaking the words of the yes politician being slated by the bbc?

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  16. Why don’t all Yessers vote SNP then it’s a certainty the SNP would have a majority. What am I missing.

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