To answer a question that sometimes comes up when I make the 'gateway drug' point - no, that categorically does not mean I regret commissioning a poll about gender self-ID several years ago. I did that at a point when the Scottish Government were full-bloodedly trying to push self-ID through, and when we had no idea that the UK Government were even considering using their imperial veto to get us all off the hook. My view was and remains that the Scottish Government desperately needed, in their own best interests, to be confronted with evidence of just how far they had drifted apart from public opinion, because pushing ahead recklessly could have caused untold damage to the independence cause. But once the course correction was achieved, as it eventually was (albeit by unexpected means) what the critical friend to the Scottish Government should do at that point is take yes for an answer. If you instead do what Stew has done and ramp up your fixation with the issue to the point that you're actually trying to use it to destroy the SNP and the independence cause, then you were never a friend in the first place.
With Jenny Lindsay, it's a different story, she's clearly sincere in what she says, even though I totally disagree with her. Where I think she really doesn't have a leg to stand on is her notion that holding another referendum would be some sort of crime against humanity because it would terribly upset people who don't want independence to happen. In a democracy, there has to be a path by which even the most fundamental changes can be achieved if there is a majority in favour of them, even if some people would be annoyed or upset by them. The assisted dying vote in the Scottish Parliament last month was genuinely frightening and traumatic for many disabled people because it looked with a few hours to go as if the legislation might well pass. I was personally relieved that it didn't pass, but I do respect the fact that it was absolutely right and proper that the vote was held, and that it will be similarly right and proper that other such votes will undoubtedly be held in the future, in spite of the stress and anguish it caused. Exactly the same democratic principle applies to independence. Even "once in a generation" has ceased to be an alibi, because by 2028 - when John Swinney wants to hold the referendum - a generation will have passed since 2014. Alex Salmond was always explicit about what he meant by a political generation, and the example he usually gave was the period of time between the 1979 and 1997 devolution referendums.
If unionists feel there is something uniquely traumatic about fundamental change occurring via a referendum process, the onus is on them to accept that it can instead happen by a non-referendum democratic process. But usually the idea of achieving independence in some other way makes them even more homicidal. The only other option I can see for them if they want the issue to go away would be to engage in good faith with independence supporters in seeking a 'Grand Compromise' that both sides could live with, and would be enough for the bulk of the independence movement to agree to stop pressing for a referendum for a prolonged period of time, say for fifteen years. But that compromise would probably look very much like genuine Devo Max - and we all know the fury with which unionists tend to react to that idea. The reality is they don't want a coming together, they don't want an end to division. That path is open to them, but they don't intend to take it. All they want to do is totally thwart and destroy the legitimate political aspirations of their adversaries - who now represent more than 50% of the Scottish population.
So if you want to piously preach about "divisiveness", get back to us when you've had a change of heart and are willing to start listening, engaging, and compromising. We're not exactly holding our breath on that one.
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My latest constituency profile for The National is Renfrewshire North & Cardonald.
Hi James.
ReplyDeleteJust read your newspaper article: constituency profile for Renfrewshire North & Cardonald.
After the STV debate yesterday, can see Reform shedding support for the election.
Wounds were self-inflicted, what was the guy thinking to say that?
If Nige had appointed a regular seeming kinda person for leader up here, Reform would be far more competitive. Thankfully, he chose a right plonker for the role. Long May that continue! (but our luck may run out eventually….)
On Good Friday in Malta people hide their neighbours' cars in other people's garages.
ReplyDeleteSaddo facts or is it sadist?
DeleteWhen we talk about a "gateway drug" is it possible that this gateway leads less to Unionism but out to disillusionment?
ReplyDeleteAll "whack-a-mole" eternal candidates and self-indulgent agendaists please consider.
How many person-hours have been expended on various forms of politicking since 2014, 1967 and 1934 - and how much stronger is Scottish identity and ability to act as a result?
We might be 53% Yes, but surely it's the vibrancy and consciousness of the cultural base that will make us unstoppable?
I agree. The hare brained scheme to go to the Supreme Court without a plan was a disgrace and means people think we’re up a blind alley with nowhere to go. Hence not sure even people are aware we’re a majority anymore because there’s a feeling we’re stymied anyway so what’s the point in getting enthused.
DeleteAlso agree the gateway drug has made people believe all politicians are the same and not worthy of being leaders.
The snp and yes movement need to get the word out better that Yes is the majority most of the time in polls
DeleteThe jury's out on there being an independence movement anymore, but I wouldn't consider what may call itself an independence movement energetic and exciting. Does it exist? Is it led by John Swinney? Or is it more nebular than Your Party?
Delete'Off the radar' would be the most common opinion.
it proved the point that the udi is never going to work
DeleteThe ambiguity worked in Scotlands favour not against it. Taking that away without a plan was political suicide.
DeleteNo need for udi but they could have said they would present a referendum and let London lose political capital fighting it
we need to stay in the union to help save our english brethren; they will need our oil, water and land as theirs is going to flood over and they will need room to place the diverse and vibrant. There is also the small matter of the permanent long term storage and nuclear waste dump, which is obviously better suited to Scotland, otherwise english house prices could be affected.
DeletePooling and sharing / strong shoulders / better together / shared history
- just think on that my fellow scots
I will say it again if Swinney grows a pair a baws and announces UDI if SNP get majority they will landslide it with 70 seats at least. No more Section 30 dead ends or any repeat of Sturgeons treason.
ReplyDeleteanon 1201 More tosh from the malcontents. Treason I tell ye, Treason! Away and grow up.
Deleteanon 1201-Cobblers
DeleteTalk us all through UDI.
DeleteYou don't call it UDI; it is not UDI anyway, and that has bad vibes with Rhodesia and all that.
DeleteScotland withdraws from the treaty citing many breaches and that it is no longer in its interest; if we are equal partners in a union, then we have the right to do this. Countries do it all the time, and the english never kept any deal that wasn't to their advantage.
You fly to the UN and announce that the UK is no longer in existence; the remmant countries are Scotland and England. Do not accept that England has automatic successor status - you also put it out there that England should not retain its seat on the security council.
This either works, or it doesn't; if it doesn't, the english somehown "forbid" you from doing this, or they get their paedos in wigs to say it is not "legal", then it proves something else :
WE ARE A COLONY
and then you go UN Decolonisation. It is one way, or the other; once you remove the ambiguity, nothing can stop it.
NB if the americans had your back in this, it would work; so why were we so rude to that half-scottish golf nut with the weird hair?
OK Mr Bell !
DeleteJames, independence is not a reality. The union is the reality and it’s the union that is, perhaps ironically, divisive. End the divisive union and Scotland can move forward.
ReplyDeleteFrom the National: "John Swinney responds after two people stabbed in antisemitic attack in London"
ReplyDeleteHello, London is not in Scotland. Why does he need to make virtue signalling (presumably) comments on everything that happens everywhere in the world? It has SFA to do with him.
Because he was asked a question by the news media- what should he do say nothing? I dont think so.
DeleteExactly. We should only care about what happens in our own little house. The outside world is only for foreigners.
DeleteIt is not for some Jocky Jump Up to comment on anything that happens outside Bonnie Scotland. London deals with the real world. It's the British way.
DeleteGoing by your post I imagine you trotting off to view and put in offers for luxury residences in Belgravia, Dubai or Monaco.
DeleteWhereas it might be better to start with enhancing your current one-bed tenement flat or considering how the £1,320 currently in your account might otherwise be best deployed.
For an Independence supporter, London is the capital of a foreign country, great place to visit. Same as Dublin, Paris, Amsterdam.
DeleteDid Martin, Macron or Jetten express their horror at the stabbings in London? Well, did they?
On other words, back in yet box, Jock.
DeleteI see I upset the Backsliders, Quislings and other Cravens suffering from Jockholm syndrome.
ReplyDeleteOT/I see some U.K. watchdog wants bans on marches supporting Palestinian rights and against the Israel State machine. Thankfully 2 individuals attacked are now on the mend. We see the English papers majority right wing and Nos 10 supporting this. Terrorism! Attack the marches of hate ! Just last weekend a police station was the target by a car bomb. The driver of the vehicle held hostage. Did you notice in the Bbc or other news media based in London cries of terrorism and ban the marches. I expect if the bomb had exploded in London we would still be discussing this. Oh the bomb was in northern (north) Ireland. Curious the double standards.
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ReplyDeleteA democratic electoral mandate is sufficient for independence.
So, a policy of begging the UK Govt for permission for a s30 for an indyref, is not a good reason to vote SNP.
Listening to some new voters. I didn’t realise we had so many public school educated young adults or is it just a BBc thing?
ReplyDeleteThe Bath Balloon now says that voting for a Unionist Party is of MORE benefit to the Yes Movement, than voting SNP.
ReplyDeleteCampbell is now as much 'Pro-Indy' as Nigel Farage or Ruth Davidson.
Today' edict from Wings -
'If you vote for Unionist parties on the list you’re doing the exact same thing as Both-Votes-SNP-ers (increasing the number of Unionist MSPs) but at least you’d be doing it for a better reason – the longterm benefit of the independence movement – and not lying to yourself about it.'
I've got a good job - THE SYSTEM WORKS
ReplyDelete- will no one stand up for the rights of the middle class?
we need a pressure group or something. Like Stonewall for people with Agas.