However, someone raised an additional issue in the comments section of the blogpost, and suggested that even some of the genuinely anti-independence comments from "switchers" in the poll looked a bit suspicious. Having thought about that, I think there may be something in it. The two potential reasons for suspicion are: a) some of the responses are very similar to each other, which might suggest a degree of coordination, and b) some of them are a bit too enthusiastic about the "we are better together, the UK is simply wonderful" message. I know there's such a thing as the zeal of the convert, but I'm a bit sceptical about whether people who actually voted for independence in 2014 and have since changed their minds would be quite so gung-ho in favour of the exact messaging they once rejected. I'd have expected them to have quite nuanced reasons and to sound a bit more conflicted.
Here are some more examples of what the purported "Yes to Remain switchers" gave as their reasons:
"Stronger together"
"Stronger altogether"
"We are better as a nation"
"because I believe that togetherness will make a country"
"we are great britain if we remain together"
"As I think we are better together"
We should just be grateful that none of them broke into the chorus of Lord Offord's God-awful 2014 anthem "Why build another wall? Oh why build another wa-a-a-all?"
The point is of course that if a dyed-in-the-wool lifelong unionist lies through their teeth and tells a polling company that they voted Yes in 2014, the weightings may ensure that their anti-independence responses are magnified, thus potentially distorting the headline results. This sort of problem has been documented before - around twenty years ago, the then editor of Political Betting / Stormfront Lite openly admitted that he was a member of the YouGov polling panel and that he had falsely claimed to be a past Labour voter. To their credit, YouGov then unceremoniously banned him, but they would have no way of knowing whether that was an isolated case or whether distortions are occurring on a bigger scale as a result of organised infiltration of the panel. These Survation responses suggest that the latter is a real possibility, at least in Scottish independence polling.
And remember the only reason the system is open to abuse in this way is because some polling firms still insist on weighting their results by recalled 2014 vote. They shouldn't be doing that anyway after twelve long years because of the danger of false recall, and going forward I'd suggest we should regard any poll that applies these weightings as potentially suspect for more than one reason.
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I've received yet another pleasantry from the Liberate Scotland supreme leader Barrhead Boy -
"Kelly is just a nasty wee man with a huge chip on his shoulder and a desire to be a ‘name’ in the movement."
Blimey. I'm struggling to imagine a more clear-cut example of projection than that. It's not exactly me who has set up his own vanity fringe party to pursue a destructive vendetta against the SNP, or who ludicrously imagines himself to be Alex Salmond's de facto successor as "The Boss", or who delusionally boasts about being on the cusp of "liberating the nation". And doing all of that from luxury pads in Barcelona and the United Arab Emirates is just *chef's kiss*.
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My latest Holyrood constituency profiles for The National are Dumbarton, Dumfriesshire, and Dundee City East.
If they can manipulate the opinion polls, then I believe they can also manipulate the results (of a referendum for example)
ReplyDeleteNot that old chestnut.
DeleteI CARE NOT HOW THE PEOPLE VOTE
Delete- AS LONG AS I GET TO COUNT THE POSTAL VOTES
The outcome of the October 19th 2023 referendum was definitely manipulated. I dutifully saved the date but nothing happened.
DeleteYou mention the zeal of the convert, and from my anecdotal experience that could be sufficient to account for the Union Jack-shagging nature of some of the replies. The two folk I know who actually did move from Yes to No are pretty fervent. In both cases the trans stuff was their gateway drug
ReplyDeleteTake a bow, RevStu. Great work. (For your masters.)
DeleteThe ones I know, in both directions, it's all about Europe. (Just as Prof. Curtice has said for years now.) No-Remainers came over in significant numbers in 2020. Yes-Leavers meanwhile are a conflicted lot.
DeleteIt's like when people modulate their voices. Some go up. Some down. That's life. We live with the consequences. Burt Lancaster did.
DeleteCould I just say if there are any Alba Lacu Treasurers reading this, please please please please please send all the money back to HQ. People have been explaining to me that there are these things called laws and if I'm being really really honest it's all getting quite worrying. I have shoes to buy.
ReplyDeleteStarmer has to be the worst ever PM in the history of the UK and there have been no shortage of shockingly bad PM's to compare with.
ReplyDeleteStarmer is outraged at some ambulances being burned. His thoughts are with the Jewish people he says over this atrocity. Compare that with over 81,000 civilian buildings hit in Iran by Israel/USA as well as a genocide in Gaza, mass murder in the Lebanon, assorted strikes in other countries like Syria, Quatar and the burning of houses and cars on a daily basis in the West Bank by Israeli settlers armed by the Israeli government. Not to mention approving Mandelson to represent the UK as an ambassador.
Terrible PM after PM but the SNP are useless at getting us out of this shithole of a country called England and its colonies. The vote in May should be a de facto referendum but instead we get the Swinney nonsense. If the SNP get a majority of MSPs but below 50% of the vote NOBODY will accept that as a mandate for Indyref2 never mind the independence that Swinney has promised. Swinney like Sturgeon and Yousaf before him is a charlatan.
Yes James. Barrhead Boy's comment to you IS a perfect example of projection. He is one of many now within the 'alleged' yes movement who are in competition with each other to be the biggest 'name' amongst the 'can't move on from 2014' brigade because they feel this one-off event propelled them into what they cravenly assume was some kind of greatness for which, on that alone, they feel they now deserve some kind of forever adulation and 'status' which poor wee Scotland would not be able to survive without them. Because of their craven solipsism, they completely ruined the authenticity of the movement and stripped it of the good and effective reputation it had. They are a self-interested, bullying, intimidating crazy for power over independence supporters. It's a hobby horse exercise to set themselves up as 'somebodys' using independence as a cover for attention. They stab their own in the back the minute they get themselves into the company of movement folk they think have a 'higher pedigree' than themselves. They'll throw aside anybody to manoeuvre themselves into the edge of the spotlight of any personality they consider a cut above and discard those 'friends' who worked hard and got them onto the pedestals they think they now occupy. Sadly, some people who should know better, join with them for the same malicious self-interested reasons.
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