CBC almost came a cropper in 2008 when they "projected a Conservative minority government", and the Liberal Party then proceeded to sign a coalition deal with the New Democrats and a confidence-and-supply deal with the Bloc Québécois. The deal then fell apart after the incumbent Tory Prime Minister did a Boris Johnson by proroguing parliament to avoid a vote of no confidence (and unlike Johnson he actually got away with the tactic), but nevertheless you'd think CBC might have learned from that episode. Apparently not.
The other thing that got on my nerves last night was the way the setback for the Bloc Québécois was reported. Before the Quebec results came in, the main CBC anchor actually made a number of quite reasonable points about how different provincial Quebec politics are, with the Bloc's sister party (the PQ) still leading polls for next year's provincial election. She also pointed out that the Bloc are historically resilient and wouldn't be going anywhere even if they lost a few seats. But as soon as the results appeared, which as far as I can see were bang in line with the pre-election polls with the Bloc suffering moderate but not catastrophic losses, it was suddenly like she was reporting on a Gallic apocalypse. Every time the Bloc were even mentioned in passing, she went out of her way to say "OH MY GAAAD! THE BLOC ARE GOING TO BE SO DEVASTATED BY THIS!". It was becoming almost comical.
At least during the hours I was watching, there was no Bloc representative in the studio, whereas the other three main parties were handsomely represented. That even allowed the Liberal spokesman to utter words he should never have been able to: "all three of us here will be united in our relief that these results are good for those of us who want to keep the country together". Maybe CBC would argue that the vast majority of Bloc supporters would have been watching their own French language coverage instead, but that's not really the point, is it? It still leaves English-speaking viewers with a distorted and partial view of their own country's politics.
This will be a familiar pattern to anyone who watched the BBC's UK-wide coverage of last year's general election, which astoundingly managed to cover the SNP's disappointing results without hearing from a single SNP representative for at least the first seven hours or so. Alex Salmond of Alba was actually interviewed before any SNP representative, probably because he made sure he was in London for the night - but that really shouldn't be the criteria.
By the way, isn't it a rather neat paradox that a Canadian election has just been decided partly on the issue of "sovereignty" and "independence from the US"? English speaking Canadians have on the whole always been dismissive of any notion of Quebec wanting sovereignty or independence, and yet they culturally have more in common with the US than they do with Quebec. Does not wanting to be ruled by the US and Donald Trump make them "narrow-minded separatists"? Perhaps they're belatedly learning not to be quite so dismissive of the "narcissism of small differences" that the former Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff used to sneer about.
Maggie Chapman survives vote on key Holyrood committee role. SNP members supported Chapman after she attacked the Supreme Court over its gender ruling.
ReplyDeleteSeriously what do the Greens have on the SNP? They seem determined to let the Greens bring them down.
This presumably means Alba's Mike Dailly is now definitively in favour of abolishing the Scottish Parliament and reintroducing direct London rule?
DeleteWhat is the rational to keep her on the Equality and Human Rights Committee?
DeleteEven Scotland's Faculty of Advocate released a strongly worded statement on her outrageous remarks. It's like the SNP are going "We're ahead in the polls, what can we do to torpedo our popularity?" it's nonsensical.
I'm no fan of Maggie Chapman or of her comments, but I'm not going to pretend to understand why any independence supporter would want to die in the ditch of "we must treat the Supreme Court in London with the utmost respect at all times".
DeleteHear hear
DeleteMaggie Chapman doesn't respect the Rule of Law. If the SNP support her then they don't respect the Rule of Law either.
DeleteHuge mistake by Swinney and his law disrespecting gang. They join the Far Right in disrespecting the Rule of Law and Democracy. The Tories and Labour and LibDems will dine out on this for years.
But it's not about the SC James, it's about Chapman saying the judiciary were prejudiced, whereas they were interpreting the tenet of the law. To the public this looks like the SNP do not think Chapman's behaviour was all that bad, that the SNP itself to some extent goes along with her. Chapman is a liability to both the SNP and environmentalists (not the Greens) her comments on children and her misrepresentations over her qualifications mark her as unfit to be a legislator. What would it have cost the SNP members to ditch her? More importantly, what benefit did they miss out on by supporting her?
Delete"But it's not about the SC James, it's about Chapman saying the judiciary were prejudiced"
DeleteOn what planet is Chapman saying the Supreme Court judges were prejudiced "not about the Supreme Court"?
Swinney even said that he disagreed with her comments and that they were wrong... then votes to save her? Make it make sense!
DeleteIt's these kind of issues the public notice. Making people think you've lost your mind doesn't encourage them to vote for you.
It was about the law.
DeleteAye, UK law. That's what we're supposed to be trying to escape from. Except when it suits you, eh, WT?
Deletewhat planet she is on, I have no Idea.
Delete"It's these kind of issues the public notice."
DeleteOh yes of course. They talk about little else at the Red Lion.
We're in the UK because the SNP have sat on their arses doing nothing about independence - it's not my fault is it? Eh?
DeleteBut now you seem to rather like the idea and have become a cheerleader for the wonders of UK law?
DeleteAre you alright? In case you never noticed we always had a UK final tier of justice in the Lords. The supreme court - which as an institution I don't agree with - replaced that.
DeleteThat would have been a fantastic reply if I had said "we haven't always had a UK final tier of justice". But as I didn't, not so much. You seem to be having an argument with an imaginary friend, old bean. I'm concerned for you.
DeleteWhy all the fuss over the Supreme Court's decision on this issue when next to nothing happend after the Supreme Court ruled that the Scottish Parliament couldn't hold a referendum and it's now accepted as the rule of the land by the SNP?
DeleteIn any case ask anyone on the street about it & they'll likely laugh that it even needed to be decided in court what a woman is & ask what idiots tried to argue otherwise?
It's about the Law. It's about Scots law. It's about the Faculty of Advocates who are Scots and were unanimous. It's about the Law Society of Scotland who are Scots.
DeleteIt's about the Scots electorate who will see the SNP as being against the Law, and if they every dare to criticise any of the opposition over anything to do with the Law. they will rightly be seen as hypocrites.
It's probably the absolute stupidest thing the SNP have ever done bar none.
"It's OK me, a scrote, slagging off a Judge, after all the SNP do it".
DeleteTwo of the UKSC judges were senior SCOTS Judges.
"It's about Scots law"
DeleteIt's got nothing whatever to do with "Scots law". Away and stop being an eejit.
Is what they say about you having a naval background true? If so, that would explain your cringing deference to authority, including London authority. An odd look for an alleged "independence supporter".
"Two of the UKSC judges were senior SCOTS Judges."
DeleteAye, and you can really tell that from their accents. Chortle.
"If so, that would explain your cringing deference to authority, including London authority"
DeleteDidn't the SNP do that in 2022 when they kindly asked the London authority if we could hold a referendum?
As the Supreme Court justices are such splendid fellows and beyond reproach, you must have been delighted?
DeleteMaggie Chapman voted to keep herself on the committee... shouldn't there be a rule against that?
DeleteProbably not, actually, because it would distort the composition of the committee in the favour of unionist parties. It would make silly stunts just a bit too easy for them.
Delete" Close doon the Scottish Parliament !" - the zanier elements of Alba.
DeleteMedia are having a field day:
DeleteJohn Swinney 'humiliated' by SNP MSPs 'defying' him as they back Maggie Chapman and defend Scottish Greens over the rule of law.
Maggie Chapman clings on to job thanks to SNP votes after stinging attack on Supreme Court.
The right to free speech doesn’t include embarrassing Scotland.
The Maggie Chapman saga is a new low for the Scottish Parliament.
Maggie Chapman is a political horror show who would embarrass a parliament more worthy of the name.
Faculty of Advocates hit out at 'regrettable' Maggie Chapman decision.
Was there something about:
Delete"The Tories and Labour and LibDems will dine out on this for years."
the knee-jerk ignoramuses didn't understand?
I don't know how brainwashed you have to be by Stu Campbell to imagine that the man or woman on the street gives a toss about Maggie Chapman.
DeleteWill be hard to miss the news about it though.
DeleteReaction will probably be "Ha, they had to go to court to confirm what a woman is?", "Who's that lunatic on the news?", "What a bunch of numpties these people are".
The average viewer tuning in to the 6 O'clock news won't see anything positive, just a feeling of embarrassment at the establishment.
Nobody cares, mate. Nobody cares.
DeleteAnon at 2.14. The faculty's spokesman was none other than Roddy Dunlop who once said he'd leave Scotland if the Scottish Government put up taxes for the rich to pay.
DeleteAnon 2,14 - Alba and Wings care.
DeleteThat's what I meant. Nobody.
DeleteWhole thing is just stupid, the public will be flabbergasted that the Parliament are spending a considerable amount of time squabbling over what a woman is.
DeleteI think people will care if they think their Government are focusing on nonsensical issues which should be common sense rather than what might impact the money in their pocket & the cost of living.
Whether Maggie Chapman is Deputy Convenor of a committee or not?
DeleteNobody. Cares.
NOBODY.
It's all the talk in Bath and Barcelona though.
DeleteDoesn't matter what Roddy Dunlop said on an unrelated matter. It wasn't his personal letter as made clear in the opening sentence!!!
Delete"Dear Ms Adam and Ms Chapman
I write on behalf of the Office Bearers of the Faculty of Advocates, all of whom have agreed to what follows."
A few showing their own prejudices. Still in a suppose democracy you don’t have to agree with judges all the time in all things. Maybe a few on here just have to rethink that one.
DeleteShe can't now be expected to be an effective member of an equalities committee though, that's the whole point. She's lost all credibility for that position.
DeleteMaggie Chapman - the Green Donald Trump: "I don't like those judges so I'll fire them".
Delete7:28 PM
Deletethat would make the snp republicans - vote chapman - make alba green again
Has it now actually become a crime or a resignation issue to disagree with a decision of the Supreme Court?
Delete7.49 are Alba incredible hulks or martians ?
DeleteNo one would have believed in the last year of the SNP reign that this Parliament was being ruined by intelligences smaller than a pea in a pod and yet as green as a petrol propelled push bike ridden by Patrick Harvie, but still the Martians came and got elected on the list. The end of Independence as we know it.
DeleteWe're going to need more Triffids. Heavy plant crossing!
Anon @ 8:22 PM Chapman didn't just disagree with the decision, she said that bigotry, prejudice and hatred is coming from the Supreme Court.
DeleteZzzzzzzzzzzzzz
DeleteJust incase you didn't already dislike The Greens: The Scottish Greens have announced they are to stand in the Holyrood by-election which is taking place following the death of SNP minister Christina McKelvie.
ReplyDeleteJust their way of saying thanks to the SNP for covering up for Chapman.
DeleteBend over John Swinney
Deleteyesindyref2, I really don’t know why everyone is laughing at you and calling you a “bumbling, hysterical idiot who needs to step outside and gain some perspective” for saying the Maggie Chapman debacle is the biggest deal in Scottish political history. As you so wisely pronounced elsewhere in this comments section, the SNP have NEVER done anything so destructive as support her.
DeleteI was in the pub just this afternoon and it was the topic on EVERYONE’S lips. A proud 95 year old voter of the SNP old guard leapt onto the bar and declared that the decision had so demeaned their Lordships of London, that there was nothing to be done but vote Reform in perpetuity.
This was followed by a four year old child, who climbed astride a barstool, tore a saltire into multiples, and declared his future annulled by “the treachery and tyranny of the Co-Covenership”. With a Polaroid of Margaret Chapman in hand, the lad then recognised the mortal wound to aspirations of an independent Scotland with a haunting rendition of “Tomorrow Belongs to Everyone But Me”.
A cheer like a great tempest then swept up around the bar. One of “Maggie Maggie Maggie, Out Out Out!”. One of “Better a Yoon than a Chapman Loon”. One of “Huzzah for England, Blighty and St George!”
I fear now that there’s nothing to be done besides the immediate disbandment of the SNP.
Anon at 4:17 PM
DeletePretty good. Was that in the Red Lion or the Royal Oak?
Do homophobes have any self awareness? Should they only vote Reform/tory/labour?
Deleteyou'll get turfed out the bar for that comment
DeleteDid you put your dentures in this morning but forgot your brain?
DeleteJames - "Alex Salmond of Alba was actually interviewed before any SNP representative, probably because he made sure he was in London for the night - but that really shouldn't be the criteria."
ReplyDeleteShould be "criterion" not "criteria" as the former is singular (as your usage is above), whilst the latter is plural.
All the best, Pedant Peter
Maybe they couldn't find any SNP candidates who hadn't been sacked or were hiding under a boulder
DeleteIt's the largest party that gets to form the government. Everybody knows.
ReplyDeleteYes, that explains why Labour run Edinburgh City Council as the fourth-largest party or whatever they currently are.
DeleteIt must also be a figment of our imagination that Ramsay MacDonald formed his first government from second place.
But hey, "everybody knows" and all that.
It is a matter of great regret to all of us in the Alba Party that Chris McEleny has chosen to personalise this.
ReplyDeletePoll after poll shows that Chris McEleny is a mad dog 🐕 who needs to be tamed.
DeleteJames, pretty on the spot analysis in my view. I am a Scot who has lived in Quebec City for the last 25 years. I am a member of the Bloc Quebecois and the Parti Quebecois. I even worked for the PQ at the Assemblée Nationale for 3 years. There is a massive gab between how the Anglophone media report events in Quebec and the more balanced perspective presented by the Francophone media. Being bilingual, I often float between the francophone and anglophone media in order to get a different perspective. I surfed channels a bit last night and your analysis stacks up. I work in a warehouse and we have a TV in the cafetieria. If it's not on a hockey channel then it is French news. When my work colleagues listen heard Carny speak French they are constantly commenting on how he mashes his words and is labourius to listen to. Carny speaks sufficent French to order in a restaurant, but beyond that he struggles and that is obvious to Francophones. The Liberal party is no different that the other Unionist parties in Scotland in that they are masters in the politics of fear. The fear of Trump is very palitable here that is for sure. There was an article on the TVA website this morning saying that although the BQ susstained losses, the leader Yves Francois Blanchette had saved the furniture.
ReplyDeleteBoth times you mention the PM's name you misspell it. I understand that you don't like the guy, but that kind of basic error undermines confidence in the rest of what you have to say.
DeletePlease do not make assumptions about whether I like or dislike Carney (spelt right I hope!). I do not know the man personally. He appears to be very capable autocrate as his tenures as gouverner of the BoC and the BoE have demonstrated. As a politician that remains to be seen. He knows nothing about Quebec and has made several gaffs during the campaign and that has been highlighted by both the Anglophone and Francophone media. He is a right of centre politician with a fragile mandate. I noticed other spelling mistakes in my post as tend to think in French and English when I am communicating these days. My apologies.
DeleteI am sorry, I should not have assumed that with no evidence. Also, my French is terrible so please don't worry about the odd English spelling error, you would rightly laugh at my written French. I had a lovely time in Quebec when I visited, not least Quebec City - a lovely place. All the best.
DeleteUnionists do something bad: Should be headline news, why aren't the biased BBC covering this!
ReplyDeleteSNP do something bad: lol nobody cares, deflection/trolling.
I just smile when I think of them all chasing each other at hi speed like at the end of Benny Hill. Wouldn't it be great? But not in a sinister way.
DeleteBut the SNP haven't "done something bad". What are you prattling about?
DeleteI'll be the judge of that
Delete@WT - re your comment earlier.
ReplyDelete"In October 2009, The Supreme Court of the United Kingdom (UKSC) replaced The Appellate Committee of the House of Lords as the highest appeal court in the United Kingdom."
Somewhere or other, some Scottish law dude argued that it then had NO jurisdiction over Scotland, as it had been in the ToU / Act of Union that it would be IN the House of Lords. So when it moved outside it broke that condition. It made sense to me. And I was surprised it never got challenged, apart from by Salmond. The Faculty of Advocates and Law Society of Scotland were very quiet in those days. Supine you could say.
I posted it months ago somewhere, maybe WGD then or PAB. Don't seem to have a bookmark for it, but when I can be arsed I'll do a google.
If you posted it on PAB, it can't have been that important.
DeletePAB has free thinkers, a rare commodity these praetorian (small p) days.
DeleteBut are those thoughts immutable?
DeletePAB is a bit of a dullard.
DeleteYou'll be after UDI at 51%.
DeleteIt's not "51%" you fool, it's 50% + 1.
DeleteThe case is that England legally owns Scotland, therefore any court ruling they make in any court they appoint although never agreed to before the act of union is must therefore be legal
DeleteAny legal case must be is England's control of Scotland a union or a colonization?
Now find affordable lawyers to prosecute that case in the European court over the next hundred years, because that's how long England would keep it there
Anon - 7.16. whatever you say Pete
DeleteJimbo lived his life by the motto "Anything worth doing is worth doing poorly"
DeleteI have respect for Maggie Chapman. I don't agree with her at all but she has stood by her beliefs and those she supports to the point where it jeopardized her career. Did Nicola Sturgeon do the same? No, and she arguably has less to lose these days. So Kudos to Chapman, at least.
ReplyDeleteI am very confused and unimpressed by the SNP though. A craven and immediate acceptance of the SC judgement but in the following week a strange group delusion that nothing has changed. As deeply unpopular as this whole issue is with the public, and as much as it is an infuriating distraction from indy, it seems the SNP just can't let it go.
Ach, there's always the ISP.
DeleteAch there is always an idiot (6.51pm) just waiting to prove they are an idiot.
DeleteAye Nicola Sturgeon eh, it only jeopardized her life ya stupit tube
Delete7.59 Jeopardised her life? What glaikit planet are you on to come up with that shite? Surrounded herself with bully boys in frocks for woke points until one of them turned out to be a double rapist. The only thing anybody will remember about that woman is that nothing she ever did amounted to anything. Frankly.
DeleteMr hatred or is it Mrs, Ms? Hard to tell the difference these days. Surely you clothes choice is your own, Fashion fascists.
DeleteIf only a few MSPs had been as vociferous over Grangemouth as Maggie Chapman has been about standing up for ladies with size 12 high heels Scotland might still be refining it's own oil.
DeleteAs a comment on The National states, tomorrow Scotland joins Chad, Mauritania, Equatorial Guinea and South Sudan as oil producers without a refinery. If it truly was a move designed to disrupt our chances of independence, it's probably worked.
Anon at 9.28. Talk us through how the S G could have saved Grangemouth. Your answer has to be based in the real world and not that magic wand world of the SNP Baaad brigade.
DeleteBut it’s not Scotland’s oil, England stole it!!!
DeleteAnon@ 9.01pm Can you not read? do you not read? are you an idiot every day?
DeletePeople like you are the cause of why Scotland isn't independent
It's bad enough folk voting for the English parties, but you clowns destroy for the sake of it
10.18, it would've been nice if the Scot Gov had looked like they gave a shit about Grangemouth. When the closure was first announced they were completely silent on the issue. The only person who seemed to care was Alex Salmond.
DeleteThe independence movement died of neglect on Sturgeon's watch, frankly.
Delete@5.08 am Alex Salmond cared? you mean Mr Devo max that lost a TV debate with a dummy, twice then pissed off and left it to Sturgeon who would've won the debate, twice
DeleteYeah, Salmond cared
So you're having an argument about which of the SNP's generational talents was the least shit? How constructive.
DeleteThe independence movement was infiltrated by Wings types, who have the Midas touch in reverse.
DeleteDidn't Salmond personally step in to save Grangemouth when he was First Minister... twice?
DeleteNo. Next!
DeleteShe behaved disgracefully. I expect this from unionists, not Indy supporters. Mmmmh?
ReplyDeleteI have a MASSIVE personality.
DeleteZzzzzzzzzzzz.
Delete10.15 you are a waste of space.
DeleteZ strikes again. You know and I know that I say more about the moronic anti Indy SNP Bad brigade posts on here using one letter of the alphabet than any other post on here. And it really gets to you. That’s good. Might make you think.
DeleteI suppose the new government could be like the 2007-11 SNP administration, working with other parties on a case-by-case basis. If the projected results are largely confirmed, the Liberals would clearly be the only party capable of forming a minority government, working with the Bloc and NDP. I did not watch the CBC coverage but I think the statements made in your first paragraph are reasonable.
ReplyDeleteUnlikely tbh.
DeletePolitical parties today are considerably more polarised than they were in 2007. The goodwill and willingness to compromise that existed them doesn't really exist now.
'Does not wanting to be ruled by the US and Donald Trump make them "narrow-minded separatists"? No it does not since it was used by Ignatieff in the context of the breaking up of former Yugoslavia and by unionists here in the context of the potential break up of the UK. In both cases wanting to separate from an established entity. And it's the 'narcissism of minor differences in Ignatieff though in Freud's German it is Kleinen
ReplyDeleteI'm not remotely interested in any hypocritical get-out clauses in the way Ignatieff thought he was using the term. I'm interested in its actual meaning, which clearly applies regardless of whether the "separatists" are trying to stay separate from a very similar people, as English speaking Canadians are trying to do, or whether they're trying to become separate, as we are.
DeleteI have always hated the use of the word ‘separatists’ for Scots that want Independence, it was the unionist parties and their media that started using it as fear tactic propaganda and still do. Never heard anybody say that they were a ‘separatist’, a Scottish Nationalist yes but not the negative other!!!
ReplyDeleteI'm a splitter partitionist.
DeleteSo a libdumb fud then!!!
DeleteDitto secessionist.
DeleteThis post is about the election in Canada. The comments revolve around Maggie Chapman, somebody who really has very little relevance to our independence, which is really the big issue.
ReplyDeleteI have skin in this game, my boyfriend is quebecois, from Montreal and a fierce believer i n independence for Quebec. He voted for the Bloc which is correct. There will always be a situation generated by the state, oh this time we have to show unity to fight the trump or here in the UK oh this time we really have to get rid of the tory c**nts. Or this time blah blah blah. No, we have to vote for independence. Im at the point where I really dont care who you vote for as long as it has independence on the ticket. Enough of these english based parties taking the pish. Me, I think a vote for one single party sends a stronger message. But if you cant do that engage your brain and vote tactically.
Is there a sense in Quebec that the PQ has grown too comfortable with the status quo and rather enjoy the fruits of their position? (to use our local terms: troughers / gravy bus.) Are their hearts not really for Quebec’s independence? Because that’s the state we’re in here in Scotland. The indy party doesnae want it, they’re already satisfied with the admin jobs for themselves, so they talk the talk but never make a move.
Delete"The comments revolve around Maggie Chapman, somebody who really has very little relevance to our independence, which is really the big issue."
DeleteTies into optics and public perceptions.
Nobody wants to see their Government appear to have lost the plot and that doesn't inspire support on the bigger issues. Having the appearance of competence on trivial and day-to-day issues matters.
IFS Stop lying. The SNP members want independence and in fact if you have interest in Scotland you need to vote SNP.
ReplyDelete"The SNP members want independence"
DeleteShame most of their MSPs don't.
They all do , stop telling porkies.
DeleteIFS is a troll. He has no real interest in Indy other than as a basis for his sad wee trolling life.
ReplyDeleteWhereas your only interest in your sad wee life is IFS who hasn't even posted on this article so far. Same for your alter ego at 9:55.
DeleteSo without IFS you are nothing, nothing at all, absolutely nothing.
I am replying to a post about IFS you cretin.
DeleteYou weren't replying to anything you upper class twit.
DeleteBack to Wings you go, trot off old fruit. Tip tip!
6.38pm where exactly is this post by IFS - voices in your head?
DeleteCalling anons at 8.18 and 8.58. Congrats. Joint winners of April Cretin of the month. Well done.
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