Firstly, the poll excluded 16 and 17 year olds, not for any sinister reason but simply because the Find Out Now panel is comprised of over-18s only. When I commissioned a Find Out Now poll eighteen months ago, they actually managed to source the necessary number of 16 and 17 year old respondents from another polling panel, but that may not have been possible this time, or it may have just been decided not to do that because of cost. Whatever the exact reason, it means there's a chance that the Yes vote is being slightly underestimated even at 52%.
The turnout adjustment was decisive in pushing Yes into the lead in this poll. Before the adjustment, No was ahead by 52% to 48%, and after the adjustment there was an exact reversal, with Yes ahead by 52% to 48%. That doesn't in any way invalidate the result, because almost all polling firms use a turnout filter, but it does demonstrate the greater enthusiasm levels among Yes voters.
It's specified that the poll result was weighted by gender, age, region, and recalled vote from the 2024 general election. If that's an exhaustive list, it means there was no weighting by recalled referendum vote in 2014, which would be a very good thing, and other polling firms would be wise to learn from that example, because weighting by a vote from more than a decade ago (with all the dangers of false recall) is getting into the realms of the ridiculous now. However, this methodological difference isn't necessarily the reason for Find Out Now being one of the more Yes-friendly pollsters. If memory serves me right, they did introduce 2014 weighting at one point but it didn't change their results much.
I always wince when people start treating the regional voting breakdowns as gospel, because the subsample for each region is far too small to produce meaningful results. However, for what it's worth Glasgow has the highest Yes vote in this poll and the Highlands & Islands has the lowest.
A significant minority of independence supporters may have drifted back to Labour at the general election, but that doesn't mean they were giving up on independence. The poll shows that 25% of people who voted Labour in July would vote for independence, and that rises to 28% if Don't Knows are stripped out.
Depressingly, the old gender gap we'd hoped we'd seen the last of is evident in this poll - there's a bulky Yes majority among men but a slender No majority among women.
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ReplyDeleteIf you do find yourself looking for a new political home in the coming weeks here’s one SNP member who hopes you’ll consider rejoining. It’s been beyond depressing to see all the scandals and skulduggery of the last few years. The only things that have kept me as a member are my good friend inertia, the knowledge that divisions within the Yes side are self-defeating (I know the high heid yins in the SNP are far from blameless on this front) and the hitherto forlorn hope that someone will emerge to clean the party up and reinvigorate the movement with a realistic vision for Scotland’s future. Without good people like you I fear we’ll be waiting a long time for this to happen though.
Here's to those same hopes, anon.
DeleteSay, if you wouldn't mind my asking, who did you vote for in the leadership contest?
Kate and Ash in that order.
DeleteHas anything fundamentally changed within the SNP though?
DeleteAttempts to reform the SNP from within were attempted previously (the "good guys" campaign etc) and despite good people being elected onto the NEC it was undermined by the leadership and unable to function. Many left the Party in frustration after that.
Without something indicating things have changed re-joining the SNP at this stage will feel like a backwards self defeating move to many.
I wonder if a good guys campaign might not succeed this time, given the changes at the top and the lack of an iron grip these days. It seems like an easy thing to try at least, and a lot more realistic to me than hoping/working for the complete destruction of the SNP and the phoenix-like rise of a new party from the ashes.
DeleteI made a similar proposal to James a few days ago. He has invested a lot in Alba so maybe reluctant and I get that, but I remain hopeful. The grip of Sturgeon’s crew is weaker now and as always, I would back Forbes and Cherry. The religion and gender brigades can find a new home if they don’t like it. Independence first and last.
DeleteIt just feels pointless at this stage, most of the key people in charge of the Party from a few years ago still seem to be in key positions within the Party (I mean Sturgeon's Deputy is the Leader?).
DeleteThere's been no reform indicating change or olive branches to the tens of thousands of people who have left. If anything the SNP today feels worse even from the SNP just a few years ago. There's been considerable more incompetence, scandals and still several legal cases outstanding. It's like asking people to enter a house on fire armed with a cup of water.
Poster 1, 3 & 5 from this thread here again (maybe IfS is onto something railing against anonymous posters here!). I know it’s not an easy job to ease the crew aside, but the good guys did actually win last time. Given what has since emerged it seems highly unlikely they could be similarly ill treated a second time without risking a mass revolt in the membership. Worth a try anyway.
DeleteI’d love to see the likes of Cherry back in a position of influence and power in the party. Maybe then we’d get back to being a broad church, where different views are welcomed as a sign of strength and olive branches are extended to those who have been poorly treated in the last 10 years.
And yes, maybe it is like entering a burning house with a cup of water. But if that house is surrounded by a forest fire maybe it’s the least bad option.
Joanna Cherry no longer represents the SNP and it's highly unlikely she ever will again
DeleteI understand her motivation politically now is the leadership of Alba
Now that Salmond is no longer with us Dr Jim at 6.36pm is turning his ire on Cherry.
DeleteI very much all these trolls from WGD like Lomax, Dr Jim, Declan will not have contributed even a penny to the SGP fundraiser. Parasites and losers as well as proven numpties.
DeleteForbes 1, Ash 2 is exactly the ballot I'd have cast. I can't even imagine what a Regan-led SNP would have been like, but I’m certain Kate would have them in a far better position than they are now.
DeleteOf course, she wouldn't likely have bent over backwards like Swinney has to protect Nicola's public reputation and legal exposure at the cost of her own. When you pull the strings, you select your trusted stooge.
I'd like to think we could take back the SNP, get back behind the wheel, and start the long hard heave to get it all the way back on the road to Independence. It's currently stranded, very far in the weeds indeed. But the trouble is that it's not abandoned. The current administration have their careers and, in some cases, personal freedom from incarceration at stake.
I think they'll put up quite a fight to anyone taking *their party* away from them.
A positive poll and thanks for the analysis. Makes you wonder if we ask the public at the next Holyrood to vote for Independence parties SNP 1 and another 2. I think we could get 55%.
ReplyDeleteBut why would they? Isn't that on the parties?
DeleteIt’s on the whole Indy movement, not just the parties, and on you as an individual.
DeleteYeah, Anon at 2.03, it's all your fault.
DeleteAnon at 4.05. Who said it was all his fault? Why are you misrepresenting what was said? Pathetic.
DeleteI'm curious: Why do certain people dismiss a poll due to who commissioned it?
ReplyDeletePolling companies treat all surveys the same way regardless of who is paying for it and anyone can look up the data tables to see how the question(s) were worded etc.
Cherry picking. You pluck the results which agree with your own opinion, and reject all the rest.
DeleteWhen the pollsters do this internally to their own results, it's called herding.
Nobody has come back to me with any sensible ideas about Douglas Alexander MP's bottle of vinegar. I stated clearly that it was empty and it all happened in the twinkling on an eye, but I would appreciate some feedback. Thank you.
DeleteBreaking news. IFS has lodged his detailed dossier backing up all his allegations of criminality by senior SNP politicians with the police. We can expect more arrests and speedy prosecutions. Well done IFS. And here we were thinking it was all made up bullshit.
ReplyDeleteFeck off.
DeleteThe made up bullshit is all there at 5.54pm.
DeleteWho told you ifs?
ReplyDeleteThe same troll replying to himself.
DeleteWasting Police Time again?
ReplyDeleteIs IFS another one being led by the wings over Scotland nose to join the SNP then complain about them to the police?
ReplyDeleteThis is the exact behaviour designed to destroy independence for Scotland by a self confessed misogynist Tory lunatic in Bath
For heaven's sake! I think you'll find anon@5 54 is being facetious. How gullible are you people?
ReplyDeleteMy lying troll at 5.54pm - ask the troll where the missing 'ring fenced ' £660k is.
ReplyDeleteOh no. So it was all made up bullshit!!! No dossier? No evidence? Lies and speculation. At least you now admit it. First step for you in getting help. Well done.
DeleteWhere is the missing money troll. You got some in your account? Go on admit it troll! Who is paying you to " work " through the night trolling?
DeleteWhat if they have left home , married and have their own family!
ReplyDeleteNothing is ring fenced apart from a fence with a ring.
ReplyDeleteThat is very true 👍
DeleteI saw Swinney FM for cover ups having to stand up in Holyrood muttering his condolences to Salmond's family. My reaction was f*****f you Britnat. You and the selfie Queen would have had him dying in a prison if you had your way. Luckily a jury of honest Scots thought otherwise. No wonder the Redactorman and the selfie Queen were not invited to Salmond's funeral. Backstabbing Britnats not wanted.
ReplyDeleteIt’s nice that you were invited. Just be happy with that.
DeleteYou are vile.
ReplyDeleteAnon at 9.24pm - you are a vile Britnat.
DeleteStop using your hatred of the snp. There must the something deep in your psyche to hold such hatred. You certainly don’t speak for the independence movement. You give succour the the unionists.oops maybe that is your real game.
ReplyDeleteAnon at 9.27pm - is that it " stop" - what an argument - just stop cause I say so. Read the post again ya numpty - the reason is all there. The Britnats are in the SNP - oops maybe you are too stupid to see it staring you right in the face. Or maybe you are a Britnat. .
DeletePlease be nice to IFS. He has just been exposed as a bullshitter. And he has admitted to it, so he is seeking help. And remember he is not the brightest. Be kind to the idiot.
DeleteMy troll posting his lies. That's all he has got - well apart from the job he claims involves working through the night that pays him to post made up stuff. Who is paying you?
DeleteWho is paying you anon troll against Scotland? The same troll who said I was Campbell. 🤡 What a clown.
DeleteEvery post on this thread is by an anon other than me. A lot by the same troll. WGD numpties too scared to post as per their moniker on WGD.
ReplyDeletePlease read your first sentence slowly and try to understand what you have just said. Idiot for Scotland is so fitting a name for you.
DeleteAnon troll against Scotland - at 10.06pm twice - ya numpty. More egg on your face. Of course if you weren't an anon you could delete your mistake but you are a coward who disnae want to post with a constant moniker because everyone would see that you are the troll who just posts trolling comments and absolutely nothing else. Who is paying you through the night to post your weird 5 am trolls.
DeleteYou actually don’t understand the meaning of what you wrote. That is astonishing but also sad.
DeleteBy your own logic someone is paying you.
DeleteWho is paying you troll?
DeleteI have a moniker, nah , nah , nah. You are a party of 1. Probably been chucked out of any society or group you have been in 🦆
DeleteWho is paying you anon troll against Scotland?
DeleteI envy Anonymous for having the time and energy to post so many and such varied messages.
DeleteDo you not envy IFS? He will feel unwanted.
DeleteTo move on a bit, how many folks liked the video recording of the labour MP Mike Amesbury punching to the ground a man with his hands in his pocket and then proceeding to punch the crap out of the guy when he was on the ground.
ReplyDeleteFabulous really because this guy is reputed to be a bit of an attack dog in the House of Commons.
For me it is a reflection of the utter thuggery that is so extant in so many English MPs. And it's a sentiment that I believe that is permeated through so many English MPs. That is evident with the name calling that has been given to Scots over the years.
But as the trials and travails visited upon Alex Salmond, Craig Murray, Mark Hirst and others show, the deep state has a bitter hatred for any democrat who would attempt to democratically secede Scotland from mother England.
Michael Amesbury MP just exposed the viciousness of him and his ilk.
Fabulous? WTAF?
ReplyDeleteSome absolutely bonkers comments on this blog.
ReplyDeleteSickening to read WGD numpties praising Salmond now that he is dead. The same scum used to drag his name in to their own gutter on a regular basis. The worst being that bag of scum Scottish Skier who wants you to believe he travelled to the Scottish parliament from Aberdeen to write nice things about him in the book of condolences held at Holyrood. There is no lie this piece of work will not stoop to. The same people who made out he was a sex monster. What hypocrites.
ReplyDeleteIt’s you that’s abusing Salmond’s memory for your own pathetic game. Only buried today. Give the family a break and just be quiet.
ReplyDeleteAnon troll at 12.22am - That's your WGD opinion. My opinion is that you are all hypocrites.
DeleteAnon at 12.12. Well said. We now know just how low the nasty piece of work IFS will go. No wonder he got banned from WOS.
DeleteIgnoring the muppet fest going on above
ReplyDeleteWe have only one thing to work out.
How do we get from ’The Dream Shall Never Die’ to a realistic, acceptable to all framework to convert a settled will Yes majority, because that IS where we’re now at, into a parliamentary majority to challenge the Brutish State?
The SNP has to be part of that, simply because they’re still there and the majority of the public are completely unaware how compromised and infiltrated they are.
They need manipulated from within as part of the strategy.
Part two HAS to be some form of umbrella Yes vote
Personally I think Alba is a busted flush, but could, if properly directed, be a part of a ’Scotland’s Dream’ Yes list vote incorporating IFS which makes Alba look mainstream along with groups like AUOB and any others.
Now would be a good time for fresh thinking.
We have the numbers
Poster above 8.03 is deluded, we are at the point now where Yes would win a referendum quite comfortably in the heat of campaigning (current polling either irrelevant or very healthy for Yes whichever way you see it). Any attempt at a No campaign would quickly implode, the wheels would fall off and it would completely unravel. Which is why it is so utterly depressing that we are a million miles away from any sort of plebiscite due to the charlatans in the SNP.
DeleteExactly anon at 2.47pm - you would just have to mention the names Liz Truss and Boris Johnston.
DeleteYou go first
ReplyDeleteSomeone please put IfS out of his misery so he can attempt to get a life. It's just scum, troll, scum, etc, etc, from 7pm until after midnight. He is polluting the comments and I am concerned for his mental health.
ReplyDeleteAnon at 9:31 am ... I agree. Whoever IfS is, he clearly needs some form of help. I actually feel quite sorry for him.
DeleteNo. 4
ReplyDeleteAnon@9:27 Couldn't agree more. The site is made unreadable by the constant attacks on IFS. I don't know if it's all the same person or more than one (I suspect the former) but it's not what the comments section was opened up for.
ReplyDeleteThing is though they'll keep doing it as he always falls for the bait and responds.
DeleteAnon at 10.55 So they're a' oot o step but oor IFS??!!
DeleteIt's nothing to do with who's 'in step'. It's about ruining the blog for others by pursuing a personal vendetta against one poster they (or is it he?) doesn't like.
DeleteAnon@ 10:55 I agree with you but IFS has been commenting here for years in his own trenchant style and of course is going to respond to the abuse. Presumably James doesn't have a problem with him.
DeleteIf you don't like what he has to say, why not just ignore it? What does the constant moaning about him add to the discussion?
I appreciate the irony of what I'm about to say but, as an Anon myself, the sooner James bans anonymous contributions the better. At present, the comments section is a bin fire.
Anon at 11.58. If he posts lies and disinformation and misrepresents what people are saying, and he does all of these things, should he not be called out?
DeleteAnon troll at 12.18pm - none of you lot EVER post any evidence/ argument against what I post. Just personal abuse. I am calling you out as a troll.
DeleteAnon at 10.55 am - who are you to tell me what I should post or not post. Do I tell you what to post - oh that's right if I said anon should not post I would be referring to the majority of posters on SGP. It's not you getting personal abuse is it Mr anon. You can hide in the anon crowd.
DeleteIt's basic internet knowledge though: Don't feed the trolls.
DeleteYou're giving them exactly what they want and that encourages them to troll more as they know it works.
Anon at 12.58pm - it disnae work though because I have been trolled on SGP since 2020 for telling the truth about Sturgeon's gang and it has not stopped me. Basically, you are giving the trolls what they want - I won't stop posting the truth until the SNP is either back on track as a party for Scottish independence or destroyed. There is a mountain of evidence that clearly tells you the SNP leadership will never deliver independence because they don't want it.
Delete52% says you are wrong KC but you know that and that is why you are here.
DeleteWhy are you here then KC?
DeleteAnon 12:18 What lies and disinformation has he posted? You say these things but provide no evidence except your obvious distaste for his point of view. I, for one, don't want to plough through your petty point scoring to read the blog. Grow up for f***s sake.
DeleteAnon at 3.24. It’s all there in previous posts. You seriously think I will waste my time referencing it for you?
DeleteAnon troll at 12.41am - liar liar your pants are on fire.
Delete“The creatures outside looked from Jim to Lomax, and from Anon to Jim, and from Lomax to Anon again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”
ReplyDeleteObtuse. What’s your point?
ReplyDeleteNot sure why he allows the comment section to descend into such a mess as well. We know he moderates the comment section but the last few posts the comment section has been a shit show.
ReplyDeleteWGD numpty Capella says: " Alex Salmond will be remembered as one of the great guardians of Scotland. The dream will never die and will soon be realised. "
ReplyDeleteI believe he will be remembered as a great guardian of Scotland. However people like Capella and the other numpties btl on WGD and the big dug himself have been posting a totally different story about Salmond for the past 5 years.
People like Capella have been posting independence " will soon be realised " for 10 years now but have been supporting an SNP completely compromised and infiltrated by Britnats.
SNP members should get a tattoo on their left hand with the 19/10/23 on it and below it people like Capella should also have tattooed " I will get fooled again". Other SNP members who have finally woken up after 10 long wasted years should get " I won't be fooled again."
You are all responsible.
By your own admission you have never done anything to promote the Indy cause.
ReplyDeleteMy anon troll punts his lies again at 12.20pm. As if I would ever admit anything to this moronic troll whose only contribution is to troll. Who is paying you to troll?
DeleteWho is paying you? The very notion is preposterous. Grow up.
DeleteAnon at 1.17pm - who is paying you? Pay rise for you announced in the budget 6.7%.
DeleteNot sure there has been a pay rise for Universal Credit.
DeleteYou both seem to know a lot about it. Don’t spend it all at once.
DeleteIFS banned from Wings for trolling
ReplyDeleteEven Stuart Campbell couldn't stand it and he accepts all sorts of nutters
My troll said I was Campbell. ( I banned myself according to my troll 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣). My troll said I was a pal of Campbell. My troll said I lived in Bath. My troll said I was McEleny. My troll said I was James Kelly. My troll says all sorts of crap. My troll has no credibility as he is a lying moronic troll. My troll posts pathetic false concerns for my health. A cowardly troll from WGD hiding as an anon. Come out from the shadows.
DeleteWho is paying you to troll?
This is all utterly pointless. Demonstrates the point made earlier today about IFS vs IFS Detractor(s) making SGP comments section unreadable. Perhaps that’s the point of the trolling?
ReplyDeleteOr the purpose of IFS?
DeleteIt’s obviously the only point of you, anon. Dozens of times a day.
DeleteWhoooosh. Think before you post.
Delete“Pointless” regarding any pro-Indy purpose, I should clarify. Mea culpea, over-use of the word “point” above.😂 .
ReplyDeleteThanks for pointing that out.
Delete@James can something be done about the comment section? It's getting ridiculous.
ReplyDeleteThere's a crowdfunder out for Scot Goes Pop.
DeleteUnionists think that Scot Goes Pop is a great Indy Resource.
Unionists don't want Scot Goes Pop to carry on going.
Unionists therefore don't want the crowdfunder to succeed.
Unionists pick on a way of disrupting below the line by attacking IFS with meaningless childish pathetic junk.
IFS has the usual right to reply when attacked.
Best way to tackle this is to delete all the pathetic wee ad hominems on IFS by the pathetic wee cretins that have no life.
And perhaps IFS could sit back and let them be deleted?
You’re asking a lot of IfS!
DeleteMaybe going no-anons again might help. I’ll need to fiddle with my Blogspot account not to disclose my real name though. Not wise, with the things we talk about!
I am the Vile des Viles. And don't you forget it.
DeleteDr Jim at 2.15pm - as if he has ever had any intention of donating anything but nasty abuse on SGP. I remember Jimbo what you have posted in the past on WGD about SGP and James Kelly and by any definition that is vile.
DeleteWell said Indyref2 'meaningless childish pathetic junk' just about sums it up - the blog is being ruined by a few self-indulgent narcissists who have nothing to say about independence or how we get there.
DeleteMy troll will be getting a pay rise (6.7 % ) courtesy of his fellow Britnat the Chancellor. Minimum wage to rise to £12.21 per hour.
ReplyDeleteTotal grasp of finance right there from the resident nasty
DeleteDr Jim at 2.17pm - calls me nasty. This is the guy who boasted about regularly assaulting women. Now that is what I call nasty.
DeleteI feel really sorry for IFS, he wants to play with everyone on WGD but no-one will let him in to play, so he fantasises and deludes himself he's playing with them on here every day. What a desperately sad way to live your life
ReplyDeleteDr Jim the WGD troll at 3.03pm who advocated stoning the Britnats in your street disnae feel sorry for me in the least. Jimbo the love of your life Sturgeon wouldnae like the fact that you boasted about assaulting women. You do realise she wouldnae touch you with a barge pole.
DeleteSo why is Jimbo and other WGD trolls posting on SGP - answer is so that they can then post " comments section here has gone right down the toilet" says Jimbo at 3.01pm. A deliberate attempt to disrupt James fundraiser.
WGD - home of the doggers.
Poor wee IFS
DeleteIfs- you are achieving this all by yourself. Must feel like your main achievement in life
DeleteJimbo at 3.32pm and 3.34pm demonstrating he cannae debate anything. Poor wee Jimbo. Cowardly Jimbo posting as anon.
DeleteSturgeon would lock you up Jimbo but you could always self ID as a woman and get your self in to a woman's prison where you can assault them whenever you wanted. Grabbing them by the neck being your speciality.
You do worry about an individual’s private parts. Can I say that this is not normal.
DeleteWeirdo troll at 4.19pm - you would know all about " not normal".
DeleteThe cream shall cover pie!
ReplyDeleteProf Robertson has an interesting poll (if completely unrepresentative) indicting that 17% would vote for the SSP in the Regional vote.
ReplyDeleteForget Wings taste our drummers.
ReplyDeleteThe Budget and the Winter Fuel Payment
ReplyDelete£40 odd billion extra raised in taxes in the budget. Max amount saved by the WFP removal £1.5 billion. So Labour didnae really have to remove the Winter Fuel Payment. Particularly as they are increasing defence spending.
There is an opportunity here for the Scotgov to use the extra Barnett funding from the budget to pay the Winter Fuel Payment in Scotland and score a great big political win against Labour and demonstrate how better an independent Scotland would look after its pensioners. But will they?
IFS,
DeleteDo you realise what an utterly hideous post that is?
You say the extra Barnett funding from the budget could be used to pay the Winter Fuel Payment in Scotland and demonstrate how better an independent Scotland would look after its pensioners!!!!!
Think about it, that extra funding is coming from Westminster. If we were independent there’d be no money coming from Westminster, no Barnett formula!!
Independence, give it a rest for pity’s sake, it’s pie in the sky lunacy, as you’ve just demonstrated!
Not that I agree with one single word that IFS ever utters but clearly Anon@5.06PM you have no understanding of how or what the Barnett formula is, how it's financed or how it's distributed
DeleteLet me quickly explain, "read a f*cking book" you moron
Anon 5:13, what a sad case you are.
DeleteWell that is funny - the Britnat troll KC arguing with himself.
Delete5:13,
DeleteYou appear someone with not a lot between the ears.
IFS, your post at 3:48pm is quite frankly embarrassing.
DeleteMy troll posting his lies and gibberish again at 3.52pm. Relentless shite. Who is paying you troll?
ReplyDeleteDr Jim says on WGD : " Every vote not SNP in every election caused this."
ReplyDeleteThat is Jimbo complaining about England's budget being imposed on Scotland.
Untrue Jimbo it is people like you slavishly supporting the charlatan Sturgeon as she wasted all the votes for the SNP thst gave her multiple mandates to hold Indyref2 over many elections and years.
You are responsible. Get that tattoo on your hand - " 19/10/23 I will be fooled again"
??? You must be getting tired ifs. Your gibberish is getting worse. Take a break
ReplyDeleteTroll at 4.21pm cannae even think up his own words. Here is another one drivel. That sums up the contents of all your posts on SGP. Just who is paying you to post your drivel?
DeleteThere's one person at least who said the articles were good but they wouldn't contribute while there was complete drivel below the line in comments. And there will be others like that.
ReplyDeleteI've pretty much given up on the comments section since James seems to be content to leave it the hands of those who have no interest in the subject of independence, just a bit of schoolyard name calling.
DeleteThe blogger is responsible for the content and behaviour of those who post, James Kelly must agree with IFS or he'd be gone by now
DeleteStop picking on IFS. Posting on SgP keeps him off the streets and out of mischief.
ReplyDeleteAn anon at 5.40pm that really cares. Aw how nice and it's not even Xmas yet. Not all anons are shitty trolls you know.
DeleteGiven that over 60% of Scots voted Yes in 2014, why wouldn't the polls constantly show massive support? It's only the immigrants and the orange brigade who still support english rule.
ReplyDeleteNever forget that every no vote form a pensioner came after they were told they would not get their next pension. A direct threat to coerce a vote. That's still a crime. Gone unpunished and never commented upon for some reason.
Stealing an election is stealing an election. Nobody has to pretend that it never happened.
In reality it was 75% yes.
Scots voted Yes and always have. Only given the chance 3 times and twice overturned by our london colonial rulers.
Embarrassing bullshit!
DeleteSeek help.