Monday, July 8, 2024

I hope that the SNP see the light, but the independence movement needs a Plan B for 2026 in case they don't

IFS mentioned the latest Wee Ginger Dug post, so I had a look and there is indeed lots to agree with in it. Paul Kavanagh basically argues that the SNP's strategy of moving towards independence by demonstrating competence in government has failed, and that they now need to move towards using the 2026 election as some sort of de facto independence referendum and galvanising Yes support for an all-out push to win a majority at that election and get this done once for all.

However, that starts from the premise that everyone in the SNP agrees that independence is the single-minded objective and that the only disagreement is over the tactics on how to get there.  In the real world it's not really like that. There are other people who see the SNP as a political party like any other, for which the goal is power.  A party pursuing power generally reacts to a defeat by looking at its menu of policies and working out what can be removed and what can be added to maximise its level of support.  Hugh Gaitskell and Neil Kinnock both reacted to Labour defeats (in 1959 and 1987 respectively) by deciding unilateral nuclear disarmament had to be removed as party policy, even though it was a fundamental belief for many members.  Similarly, there will be SNP parliamentarians and ex-parliamentarians who are currently thinking that independence has to be ruthlessly sacrificed in an election-winning push.  They're barking up the wrong tree, because abandoning the SNP's unique selling point would actually be the fast lane to election defeat.  But the fact that they believe it might work and believe it's worth doing is what matters, and that means the genuine independence supporters are going to have to face them down in the months to come.

If they are successfully faced down and if Paul Kavanagh's strategic advice (or something similar) is accepted, there's no problem.  But if the 'endless delay' faction get their way yet again, the independence movement is going to need a Plan B, one that is external to the SNP.  And for the avoidance of doubt, I am not talking about replacing the SNP as the main independence party - that is completely unrealistic, whatever Stuart Campbell's wild fantasies may be.  But what may be possible is an electoral force that wins a modest number of list seats and then lends support to an SNP government on condition that independence is genuinely pursued.

Paul Kavanagh says of the Alba party: "It lost its two MPs and attracted only a handful of votes. It is over as a political project."  Well, I'm on the inside of Alba - I'm certainly not part of the in-group, but I'm an elected member of three of the party's national committees and I've been to branch meetings, so I know how determined Alba members are to see it through. Alex Salmond is the master of surprise, so who knows, maybe he'll stun us all by declaring Thursday was a setback too far and then wind the party up, but I very much doubt it.

There does, however, need to be an injection of realism about just how far Alba currently are from winning list seats, and what will need to change to make that happen.  I presume the leadership must have been expecting better results on Thursday, because Mr Salmond had been confidently predicting throughout the campaign that the results would surprise people, and even on the BBC results show he announced that Alba was going to save two deposits.  By that point, Alloa & Grangemouth and Lothian East had already been declared, so I was really puzzled as to where he thought two saved deposits were going to come from - Cowdenbeath & Kirkcaldy seemed the only realistic possibility, but it didn't come close to happening even there.

On Twitter the other day, Shannon Donoghue reverted to the comfort zone of the "stab in the back" theory by announcing that Alba's poor election results were all the fault of Denise Findlay and "the wee gang".  I mean, come on.  I know Shannon to a small extent because I'm on the Constitution Review Group.  A vacancy on that group came up a few months ago after a prominent member left the party in disgust due to some of the things that had been going on behind the scenes, and Shannon filled his place as a sort of 'lucky loser' from the January election, so I've attended a few meetings with her.  I'll try to be diplomatic here, but the idea that Denise Findlay or anything else to do with Alba internal politics is the explanation for Alba's electoral failures to date is just so many light-years away from reality that heaven help us all if that's the theory that starts to take root within the party.  That would be a party slipping into delusion.

99%+ of the public do not know who Denise Findlay or the so-called "wee gang" are, but they most certainly know who Alex Salmond is, and to a lesser extent they know who Ash Regan, Kenny MacAskill, Neale Hanvey and Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh are.  That is their point of reference for the party and that is the basis on which they cast their votes. For whatever reason, and I'm not going to pretend to fully understand why, the Alba brand just doesn't seem to have enough appeal for the electorate.  I'm wondering if one way of squaring the circle might be to build on the 'Scotland United' idea and have Alba as a component part of a much wider electoral alliance standing on the list in 2026.  That alliance's branding and its collective leadership might have much broader appeal and get us to the 5-7% threshold for winning list seats.  It's just a thought, but I do believe we're going to need some blue-sky thinking to get ourselves out of this trap.

169 comments:

  1. The SNP need to put in the work to overcome the scepticism many feel now. If they suddenly came out with: "Vote SNP for independence in 2026!" the first question would be: Are you being serious or just using independence as a carrot to get re-elected?

    There would need to be a genuine olive branch offered to the wider movement as the General Election showed that 20% of independence supporters didn't vote for the SNP. Maybe even that Constitutional Convention that should have taken place long before now. If any strategy ends up being a demand to fall inline behind the SNP "for the cause" it will fail, only cooperation with the wider movement will have any chance of success.

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    1. "20% of independence supporters didn't vote for the SNP"???

      How do you arrive at 20%?

      The sample polling for Indy support is reflective of the whole electorate, therefore 47% of the whole electorate are (currently) considered to identify as supporting Indy on the basis of polling data. Yes? With me so far?

      But only 60% of the electorate turned out to vote, and only 30% of them voted SNP... which is equivalent to 18% of the whole electorate.

      So 47% of the whole electorate support Indy and 18% of the whole electorate voted SNP.

      That equates to 38% of those who identify as supporting Indy voting SNP last week....

      62% of Indy supporters did not vote SNP.

      Some other figures to contemplate...

      724,758 voted SNP in 2024
      1,242,380 voted SNP in 2019
      977,568 voted SNP in 2017
      1,617,989 voted Yes in 2014

      A lot of work needed to get back those Indy supporters who, for whatever reason, don't vote SNP.

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    2. So, as your figures illustrate, the SNP was at its most popular in 2019-2021 which coincided with support for independence being at its highest ever in the second half of 2020 when Yes was ahead of No in 20 major opinion polls in a row between May 2020 and February 2021.
      I believe the formation of alba at the start of 2021 was a deliberate attempt by its leadership to undermine the SNP in the full knowledge that this would also undermine the wider cause of Scottish independence and that the SNP, particularly Nicola Sturgeon, could be blamed.
      Support for the SNP began to decline around Operation Branchform and we will hopefully see, when the smoke is finally allowed to clear, just how co-ordinated the reporting of the "embezzlement" by online groups from within the SNP actually was.

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  2. Plan B and C and D….. It seems civic society needs to be involved but the radicalism of the Arts etc seem to be content with the watered down devolution. Trades unions like UNISON do what labour London tells them and ALBA for example argued for abstentionism and attacked the main independence party letting labour get off literally Scot free. Worst than that they gloated on their inadequacy. The Churches, Synagogues, Temples and Mosques seem to br pro labour / Lib Dem in the main and don’t represent the 50% independents of this nation. The press- well we know enough about them. Hard work ahead.

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  3. I’m still in the SNP - and I agree that they absolutely need a serious kick up the bahookey. I always regretted the fact that so many good people left to join Alba - even though I understood why. With great respect to those people and to you James- I reckon one way to start curing the problem and the split would be for Alba members to rejoin the SNP en masse and fight again for change from within. I reckon the Sturgeon faction are on their way out - they and the rest of us could do with a helping hand. I genuinely can’t see Alba breaking through- that’s despite having Alex Salmond as its leader - I’m afraid that rightly or wrongly he is discredited and too old. If his personality was going to assist in a breakthrough it would have succeeded by now- the horrendous comparison is of course the odious Farage whose Reform UK group have broken through enough to pick up seats in 2026. You and the rest of the good folk in Alba could achieve more for Independence by coming back inside the tent. I imagine this will go down like a bucket of cold sick - but I thought what Neale Hanvey had to say about unity across the Independence movement was important.Best wishes to you anyway!

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    1. "I reckon one way to start curing the problem and the split would be for Alba members to rejoin the SNP en masse and fight again for change from within"

      Though many of them already tried to do that before they left in the first place. The "Good Guys" campaign for the NEC for example. They ended up leaving because they believed internal reform in the SNP wasn't possible, you would need to be able to convince them that it now is.

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    2. I appreciate all that you say - I personally can’t convince them that internal reform is possible- I think it may be - but it requires active people inside the party who are willing to fight that furrow - I can’t see the slowly slowly catchee monkey group prevailing much longer given what’s just happened - but those of us who never subscribed to that agenda are still in the SNP - we could still do with a hand from like minded bears - and I think we could turn it round . For a start we need somehow to engineer a new leadership contest!

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    3. Personally, I didn't leave the SNP, the SNP left me.

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  4. I’m not sure why Shannon was blaming me.
    I haven’t spoken publicly about what happened to me in Alba but there does seem to be an inner group that are desperate to smear those of us that left.

    The Alba behaviours and that of Salmond over the last year is unfathomable to me.

    I can give two examples
    As Organisation Convener I begged them to get the postal vote registers and the marked up registers (which must be requested within a year ) they totally ignored all my requests .
    What political party doesn’t have all the necessary registers ?

    I analysed in depth the Bellshill by-election result in which Alba got 3.9% first preference votes.

    Ir showed that only canvassing brought results. Leafletting alone had no effect. But the entire Alba campaign was leafletting - no canvassing Not even in Neale’s area

    It baffles me

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    1. Also as James pointed out 19 candidates was far too many given the activist base and resources

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  5. Isn't there now a problem for smaller Parties using the List in 2026 because the SNP is not expected to perform as well in the Constituency ballot as in previous elections?

    The SNP will be a lot more dependent on the List for their electoral survival this time.

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    1. Very few voters bought into the supermajority idea anyway, so I don't think that makes much difference. Parties will just have pitch for list votes on their own merits.

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    2. I can easily see the argument being made that we all need to vote SNP 1&2 or risk losing a pro-independence Government at Holyrood etc.

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    3. Again, that argument was successfully made in 2021 anyway, so it makes little difference.

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    4. "risk losing a pro-independence Government at Holyrood etc."

      Do we have a "pro-independence Government at Holyrood"?

      Perhaps someone should tell the SNP.

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  6. I wouldn't mind Jo Cherry fronting Alba , with Alex taking a back seat. Yes we all know he was framed. But there are people who will just never accept Alex as credible. That's entirely unfair, but we have to deal in the real-politic.

    I agree the competence in government idea is a dead duck. Swinney seems to be going down that road again!! Well he needed think they can just slowly build SNP support and ignore the 50% who want independence.

    To me this is all about the SNP and being in government, and that's all the SNP leaders care about. So unfortunately the movement are going to have to take independence forward ourselves. To be honest that is the way it should be. It should never be up to dithering politicians to decide when they want independence. The SNP have had too much control over us , and we are all scunnered with this approach.

    If Swinney drifts into Holyrood 2026 with the same crap. Then hell mend him!

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  7. I mostly agree wi / James o the blog , tha mi a' dol le Seumas . I'm still in the SNP. I'm definitely for defacto ref in 26.

    I do agree also that a Scotland utd approach to the list vote is worth a try.
    However, I am puzzled why so many folk don't understand why Salmond is not going to be popular amongst the general population
    . It's simple- the behaviour that he admitted to as FM was far below the standard expected of somebody in public office. I am sorry but
    this cannot be changed.

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    1. I read the BreakUp by Clegg and Andrews. It is exactly how Salmond behaves.

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    2. If people are going to be ruled out of public life due to incidents of non-criminal but potentially inappropriate behaviour towards the opposite sex, especially under the influence of alcohol, I suspect at least 50% of politicians, both male and female, would be in some difficulty.

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    3. Anon at 12.51pm - so you believe Clegg and Andrews do you. A big pair of Britnat propagandists. Clegg who is a very close friend of Sturgeon's Chief of Staff Liz Lloyd. Clegg the N. Ireland Britnat of the Daily Record who just happened to get a copy of the Scotgovs "unfair, unlawful and tainted by apparent bias " report. I wonder who gave him this report - the act of doing so was illegal.

      Theses people obviously are of "high integrity ". Did you actually pay money to read this book?

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    4. Unthirldom - nice to hear from a perfect human being like yourself. Now as you have such high moral standards - what the hell are you doing in the SNP?

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    5. Unthirldom - I fully understand why Salmond is unpopular. People like anon and yourself are full of shit put there by Sturgeon and her gang. She used Covid briefings as FM to tell Scotland Salmond is a sex monster. Disgusting behaviour at any time but by a FM and during what was supposed to be important Covid health briefings during a pandemic. Yet you of the high morals are still in the SNP.

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    6. For goodness sake he thought he could conduct official business with a younger women in the bedroom of Butehouse ! Do we have to dig up all he actually admitted to? It is a matter of public record.
      I do not know if Sturgeon tried to get him , I am quite prepared to accept that she might have . At this stage I think we should move on , put the personality cults of both Sturgeon and Salmond behind us. If Alba want to stand a chance of increasing the pressure on the SNP they need a leader who has a public profile but is not tarnished by the sort of carry -on that Salmond has been associated with in the public mind.
      Sorry but this is the real world.

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    7. But who have they actually got? I think we can safely assume it wouldn't work with MacAskill or Hanvey, and it goes without saying it wouldn't work McEleny or Ahmed Shaikh. All roads lead back to Ash Regan, who I do find interesting, but she would be a risky choice.

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    8. I F S. " you of the high moral standards ". Really ? I would be ashamed of myself if I had done the things AS admitted. Even if I'd taken a drink!
      Sorry James , I agree with most of what you say and admire your analysis but with regards to Salmond, it wasn't what he did in his private life but what he admitted to whilst doing his job in Butehouse.

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    9. Unthirldom - yet you are happy in the SNP. Grady ring a bell and Blackford bullying the victim and covering it up for years. Double moral standards is what you apply. Missing £600k. Nae problem to you.

      You really are a Holy Willie when it comes to Salmond but anything goes if it is the SNP.

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    10. Unthirldom - it is "the real world " but there you have Sturgeon - not suspended in your SNP. That's your real world that you are a member of. A bunch of crooks. No better than the crooks in Westminster. Sturgeon " might have " tried to get Salmond - there is zero doubt about it. Look at the people listed as the alphabetties in the book. The exact names ain't there but ..........

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    11. Don't assume everyone in the SNP are happy about the sleazefest that the leadership has become. Some of us are *#@&ing furious about it and want change.

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    12. All these years later I am amazed that SNP people still 'seem ' to be ignorant of who these alphabetties are. You cannae be ignorant that Murrell and Ruddick were planning to ' get ' Salmond. You cannae be ignorant of the " Vietnam " whattsap group. You cannae be ignorant that the alphabetties lied in court.
      There is only one personality cult and that is for Sturgeon.

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    13. Unthirldom - I am absolutely staggered at your hypocrisy and double standards. What about Yousaf and his affair when married with a staffer ( now his wife). That ok in your moral compass because he is an ex SNP leader - oh wait Salmond was an ex SNP leader. Care to explain the moral difference.

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    14. Salmond was in Bute House. Behaved badly. Really if he had gone home to his wife would have been a better decision that evening

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    15. I absolutely refute what IfS says .
      I am not an uncritical acolyte of Sturgeon. Indeed I think she has done harm to our cause . Yousef , I have no idea if he was shagging someone other than his wife and I don't care. He was useless at everything he did and I'm glad he has gone.
      We need to move on from past leaders and stop this uncritical adoration of Salmond, Sturgeon or any other past figure in the movement.

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    16. This comment chain perfectly encapsulates the problem the independence movement faces. I agree with you James that Salmond should not be disbarred from participation in public life. But the problem he will always now face in gaining traction is that the public view of him seems very stubbornly set at this point, and it's a broadly very negative view. Is that unfair? Sure. Is complaining about it being unfair going to boost his popularity? Absolutely not.

      So Alba are then left with one option. Point out the moral failings of SNP politicians in an attempt to balance it out: 'Salmond did X, but Sturgeon did Y, and Yousaf did Z, so why aren't they getting flak for that?' It's a fair point, but it does precisely nothing to boost Salmond's popularity with the broader public. All it achieves is to tarnish the reputations of whichever SNP figure is being accused of double standards. And again, that's fair enough. But that alone does nothing to actually drive popularity TOWARDS Salmond or Alba. Alba are about as far as they have ever been from an electoral breakthrough, regardless of how much the SNP have (rightly) imploded.

      That's not to say that parties with unpopular leaders cannot make waves at elections. Hell, Labour just won a landslide with the least popular incoming PM in history. Farage has made multiple breakthroughs over the years, and he's reviled by large parts of the electorate.

      But Salmond has taken none of the steps required to actually make those breakthroughs. How many by-elections and general elections did Farage face defeat at, before he finally made it into the Commons? Small parties like Alba require strategic opportunism, a certain obstinate shamelessness, which Salmond has categorically failed to demonstrate until now.

      I think Alba need to have a think to themselves about what they want to be. Do they want to be the Salmond Party, or the Alba Party? Do they want to destroy the SNP, or pressure them, or supplant them?

      Personally, I think Salmond may have taken Alba as far as he can. Almost every major decision taken by him in the past couple of years has demonstrated either that his heart is not fully committed to the work needed for a new party to break through, or that he's lost his grasp on the strategy required to bring about such a breakthrough.

      I think Alba would be far better served if they could convince Joanna Cherry to jump ship and take the reins. Articulate, intellectually robust, sensible, no-nonsense, and with a reputation that has been relatively unscathed. I also just get the feeling that she would lead the party with greater vision, clarity, and urgency than Salmond has been.

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    17. Annie 6pm 100% agree

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  8. Regarding the two saved deposits
    I assume Salmond got bad information from a couple of counts. Sampling isn’t easy in particularly if it’s the first election because there is no past samples to compare with. A couple of candidates or counting agents were probably over optimistic

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    1. It's good to see an intelligent, factual post trying to clarify matters. A welcome change from the hysterical shrieking so reminiscent of Starina in Birdcage.

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  9. "Potentially inappropriate behaviour?"
    Nothing potential about it.
    It was inappropriate behaviour.

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    1. Be specific. A lot of what he was accused of was almost laughably trivial.

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    2. If your boss tells you to come into the bedroom, tells you to take off your boots, gives you alcohol. Then when you are sitting on the bed putting your boots back on - he grabs you and starts kissing and cuddling you and groping.
      The massive power imbalance would make it a very frightening experience
      He is the First Minister and your job depends on him

      It’s admitted to this
      It’s inappropriate
      It happened but was not criminal

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    3. I heavily doubt it was all one sided.

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    4. Dr Jim - at 1.56pm - aye she was so frightened she went back to work, sent emails told a pal she was having a great evening and worked out her overtime sheet.
      Dr Jim doing the Britnat work for them as did Sturgeon.

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    5. "I heavily doubt it was all one sided."
      Adonis charmed the boots off her.......she couldnt help herself his charms were so beguiling ...... oh please.

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    6. Different Anon chipping in here (sorry but I have my reasons).

      Even in the most generous scenario, in which she was overjoyed to receive Eck’s affections and only later on was poisoned against him, it’s completely inappropriate for him to have tried it on with her given the power disparity. And that it was also done in the workplace makes it worse.

      What if she hadn’t enjoyed it? What position would that put her in? How difficult would that make it for her to continue in her job there? It was a terrible error of judgement from someone acting like a horny teenager and definitely not the behaviour you want in a senior public servant.

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    7. I was a teacher , now retired . We never ever put ourselves in a position where we were alone with a pupil even in a classroom. Or at least we would always have the door open. A FM or anyone in a position of power should have had more sense then put themselves in the position that they could be accused of any improper behaviour.

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    8. But she wasn't a schoolgirl, she was a grown woman with a responsible job who, if you know who she is, appeared on the Internet months later hanging on to Salmond's arm and smiling. (LThat doesn't mean there's no fool like an old fool but a sense of perspective is needed too.

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    9. Yes but the point is the general public aren't going to have that sense of perspective. He was at work , he was alone at night with a younger woman . He should have realised how that could potentially be a problem. That was my point as a teacher we avoided any possibility of being accused of anything. The same apples to any man in a position of power working with a woman whether an S6 lassie of 18 or a 30 something woman that was working with you . And most people nowadays do not drink alcohol at work.

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    10. Anons above really are clueless. Comparing a school with pupils to senior civil servants is a joke. These people are appointed by the UK civil service to assist the FM. They accept the position knowing the working hours. Being FM in the lead up to a first ever independence referendum is not the same as finishing your working day at 4pm.
      Anything to say about Yousaf then?

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    11. It was inappropriate, no denying that. Won't be the first and won't be the last. I'm not sure it needed to go to court though. And a jury agreed. That bit does need highlighted too before we cast stones.

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    12. As James has repeatedly stated, the list party needs 6-10% to win seats. There is probably a cohort of people out there who are pro Salmond enough to gain that figure. Whether it happens or not is another story.

      I'm not sure any of it pushes the cause forward but each to their own. We need less bickering and more positivity.

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    13. Come on we all ken Salmon is SEEN by the general public as a bit sleazy. Especially by women. It doesn't even matter now what the truth actually is. It is the perception that matters . Like the teacher above says he should hae had mair sense.
      We do not need the personality cults of Salmond or Sturgeon.
      Humza was useless. Swinney not much better.
      Some of you need to grow up and let the movement move on.

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    14. Aye , I second that. . Salmond should have avoided being alone in a bedroom with any woman when he was supposed to be working
      And avoided the drink - indeed
      he had often implied previously that he didn't drink to any extent
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      Salmond Sturgeon , Yousef are all in the past .
      Move on.

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    15. Anon at 2.47pm - ever entered your thoughts that the trying it on was done by the alphabetty. Some have been seen in numerous pictures after the incidents they claim happened smiling and being very friendly with Salmond. One alphabetty claimed in court Salmond promised her a position as an SNP candidate but then bitterly said he refused to do what he promised. Do you think it is only men on the make and women in politics and government are all just nice wee schoolgirls.

      You are easily manipulated by the Britnat media and Sturgeon. Was Yousaf fine in having an affair when married with a junior member of staff. You think nothing happened in office premises. This seemed ok to the SNP when they voted him leader. The hypocrisy and ignorance is breathtaking.

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    16. Dr Jim as a moral standard at 1.56pm. Jimbo the great protector of women. You are having a laugh. This is the guy who boasted about grabbing numerous women by the neck, no less, and dragging them out of his premises. Violence often appears in his posts. Btl Jimbo talks about wanting to get his gun and shoot people. Moral guidance from Dr Jim - you are having a laugh.

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    17. One political point and one procedural point:

      Politically -- there are two self-fulfilling claims being made in this area: that Salmond is hopelessly tainted, and that Alba is hopelessly finished.

      (1) What kind of morality is it that deems ‘inappropriate’ sexual behaviour (Oh dear, bring the smelling salts, I think I’m going to faint) comparable to a politically motivated conspiracy to jail a man for life and criminalize his supporters? If Sturgeon had done nothing else wrong, that would be enough to permanently discredit her and her followers, with the dirty work and the damage, as we see here, continuing to be done even after her supposed departure.

      (2) Similarly self-reinforcing are the messages ‘Alba will never get anywhere’, proclaimed before the initial electoral failure of a 3-year-old party handicapped from the start by point (1) above, and following that failure, ‘Alba is finished; you should all go back to the SNP’. This reflects a worship of power whoever holds it, and contempt for weakness, designed to ensure that the powerful (or in the case of the SNP, now only relatively powerful) never lose their advantage. As for the frequent suggestion of a broad independence church: sure, it’s what Alba has always called for; but why should it or any other independence party lose its identity and be absorbed into the SNP to achieve that aim?

      Procedurally: if there weren’t so many ‘Anonymous’ commenters it would be easier to have a potentially useful discussion. What’s the big secret, anyway? Even if you’ve a serious need for anonymity, or just don’t want to seem egotistical, there’s such a thing as a pseudonym, and commenters can get awfully mixed up, or just weary, when they have to search the bylines to check whether it was ‘Anonymous at 3 am’ or ‘Anonymous at 5.42’ that they want to reply to.

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    18. Anon at 4.08pm says " move on " - it won't happen. Salmond has his court case against Sturgeon, Evans Lloyd etc . Will Sturgeon be able to use SNP funds for her legal bill like she used in the Scottish Parliament inquiry. I doubt it as she would probably bankrupt the SNP ( or is that the final stage of her plan). Anyway Murrell and Beattie are no longer in position so unlikely to happen. I'm sure Dr Jim will chuck in a tenner to her crowdfunder. Anyone else? When the Murrell's put their house up for sale Dr Jim will be all over it.

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    19. KP, good luck trying to get the anons to come out of the closet. Some of us have tried and the only response is 'well you're not using your real name either so ya boo'. The idea of a pseudonym seems to be an intellectual barrier to some, especially those who like to post repeatedly in support of their own comments. A re-introduction of pre-moderation seems inevitable.

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    20. Owen millions is you real name is it? Sorry Mullions. You assume that this doesn’t make you anonymous? Lack of self awareness.

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  10. Having the most unpopular person in Scottish politics as your leader is not a good thing. SNP remain the only vehicle for possible success in the constituency vote in 26, and for that to happen they need people like me and a half a million others to see enough change to want to re-join SNP and/or vote for them. I see no signs of that happening. As a minimum, the NEC needs to be restored to its 2014 make up, Sturgeon needs to be publicly ousted together with her cabal. Party democracy must be restored. Kate Forbes need to become SNP party leader. and the small number of capable people who have just lost their M P posts in Westminster must be put in to positions of influence within SNP to take the message and the fight to the unionists, and directly to the BBC. None of that is going to happen. There is no plan, let alone a Plan B. Westminster troughers who have found themselves unemployed must, when they attempt to secure lucrative posts in Holyrood for themselves, be told in no uncertain terms to GTF. Again that won't happen. I have no expectations at this stage and I am focussing on putting in place personal measures that follow the no taxation without representation model. We have been betrayed, and there have been no consequences, and nothing is changing. Within 24 hours of the G E result the SNP should have been apologising and holding out an olive branch to all former members and all other pro Indy bodies and parties. Anyone seen any of that? Me neither.

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    1. Whooosh. And here we go again. Unbelievable.

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    2. Anon at 3.49pm and it is up to independence supporters who to vote for.

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    3. Anon at 3.49 you are so off the point here that I am in agreement with IFS. Do you really not understand what has happened and why?!

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    4. ... and we certainly wont be voting for your sleazy drunken former FM's party.

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    5. Yes anon at 5.09pm - more and more are in agreement with me. Pity great years for gaining our freedom have been wasted by blind loyalty to Sturgeon's gang.

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    6. Well stick with your sleazy, corrupt, lying former FM's party.

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    7. Now you are dreaming IFS. :) The anon I criticise really does seem to be so unaware that he does not understand that it is exactly his attitude that has contributed greatly to the shit we are currently in. I'm not interested in vitriol and abuse. It alienates the very people we need to persuade, who see bile and division and are put off.

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    8. Anon at 6.24pm - I've been dreaming for years that the SNP members would wake up to what Sturgeon's gang is. That dream faded a bit when the members voted for Yousaf.

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  11. There’s a reality that 2014 changed Scottish politics completely. It felt to me at the time that Scotland had grudgingly given the UK one last chance to change in such a way that Scotland could flourish within the union. Obviously since then the various Tory governments have failed to even attempt to do this.

    Now perhaps we finally find ourselves in last chance saloon. Having seen the Tories utter failure, can a Labour government make the changes needed? Soon enough we’ll start to get answers to that question. I’m not holding my breath.

    It could well be that in 2026 we are looking back at 2 years of Labour not really achieving much that the average person feels is beneficial. Where do they pin their hopes then? With final proof that neither a Labour nor a Tory government can make meaningful improvements to Scotland’s situation, perhaps enough people will be ready to embrace Indy.

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    1. I didn't see 2014 that way. The vow and it's betrayal by Cameron literally the next day told me Scotland had just made a huge mistake. But regrettably, despite ten solid years of being subjected to the most incompetent corrupt lying thieving U K govt in my lifetime, still those same voters have not been moved to Indy. The BBC with it's 24/7 lies and disinformation have played a huge part in this. If 2014 -2024 didn't persuade people I'm afraid nothing will.

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    2. You might be right, but for many No’s in Scotland I suspect they’ve been telling themselves that a Labour government would be different. Well, now we finally get to find out. If Labour with an insanely big majority can’t get it done, then what hope is left?

      If and when they too fail, then the only other option is to go for independence. As frustratingly slow as this process is, maybe it needs to play out before enough of the No’s realize that the UK cannot realistically reform itself in a way that benefits Scotland.

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  12. "Paul Kavanagh basically argues that the SNP's strategy of moving towards independence by demonstrating competence in government has failed,"

    The strategy is a good one, the problem is when you don't deliver the actual competence. And that's a problem that will transfer to other strategies. "If you can't run a devolved administration, how do you expect to run the entire country!"

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    1. No, it's just a rubbish strategy conceptually. Any government runs out of steam eventually, so a strategy that depends on being in power continuously for decades and becoming ever more and more loved is just daft. What Alex Salmond did was fine, because it was take power, demonstrate competence over a relatively short period and then strike for home.

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    2. James, exactly. Another reason gradualism is not the way to independence. The time to strike was during the Brexit events. What a wasted opportunity.

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    3. The SNP really needs to get its act together quickly. Let’s face it, they haven’t been good in government for years now. I’ve no doubt if they showed they could govern competently then support for independence would rise. Until they prove they can do that we’re Donald Ducked.

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  13. Yes the tories showed how to run an entire country or is it countries? Labours financial management fiasco likewise. Difference being we can get rid of the Scot’s government we can’t with the greater England Parliament

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  14. "Similarly, there will be SNP parliamentarians and ex-parliamentarians who are currently thinking that independence has to be ruthlessly sacrificed in an election-winning push. They're barking up the wrong tree, because abandoning the SNP's unique selling point would actually be the fast lane to election defeat. "

    Can you back up why that approach would lead to election defeat? That's the election winning approach they've adopted all the time and it's worked. It only didn't work this time because of electoral fatigue with them and more importantly poor governance and weirdo policies. Fake independence was certainly not the reason why they failed. Alba didn't shift at all neither did ant other real yes indy or parties.

    From SPADS, to moles to MPs and MSPs the SNP is full of people who advocate this approach .

    Bloggers do the same too. weegingerdug spins his same crap because it suits him as the pro nuSNP sheep want to hear that .It's lucrative and reputationally advantageous for him to do so.

    As for the if SNO change strategy, on a real yes ticket, the only approach that would work is a real yes all under one banner approach to capture the key people who don't vote but would vote yes. Yes swinney just said he'd never campaign with Salmond.

    More likely they'll at some point shift to a majority of "SNP votes" type language (or do nothing at all). If that materialises Alba have no choice but to go for the kill. And stand against them in EVERY seat

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    1. Pray tell what strategy the Scottish National Orchestra have embarked upon ..hmmm?

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    2. " Alba have no choice but to go for the kill!".......oh my aching sides....lol

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    3. Agree. In the interests of the country, Alba already has no choice but to ignore the doom-mongers and press ahead vigorously, with a mass electoral presence as well as repeated public events, always in cooperation with other pro-independence groups and parties, as is its declared policy: 'The threshold would be a simple majority of votes cast for all pro-independence parties. ALBA has committed to having an explicit declaration of our intent to begin negotiations for independence, if that threshold is met, on the first line of our manifesto. All pro-independence parties should do the same' (from the new Alba Manifesto). We must urge each of these other parties to put that aim on its entry on the ballot paper.

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  15. and we have to hurry up. As english people are moving here (see NRS data and the Census) and 3/4 of them vote No. The impact is greater than the so-called youth yes effect due to the low fertility rate. Scotland's demographics are becoming slowly nawbagged. It's not racist to point that out. It's a matter of fact.

    Frauds sturgeon and robertson (head of the fake indy think tank progress scotland) of course know this. And are both on record on being "in no hurry due to this" or "as long as the youth are voting yes then indy is in safe hands".

    Indeed Sturgeon's ten year devo strategy is to further increase the number of net flows of english people coming to scotland by 25% in the next 10 years. Don't believe me? Look here:

    "In the absence of devolved immigration powers, targeting inward migration from the rest of the UK can add to Scotland's skilled labour pool. A 25% increase in people relocating from the rest of the UK to Scotland would double net migration and add 100,000 people to Scotland's labour pool over the course of this strategy."

    https://www.gov.scot/publications/scotlands-national-strategy-economic-transformation/pages/7/

    So a go slowly approach coupled with making the population more english.

    And change internal voting systems, expel anyone who disagrees, block internal challenge, side with the BBC to block alba maximising the pro yes vote on the list.

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    1. Yes it does make me feel a bit squeamish but it's a simple matter of fact.

      I know we're an open people and our nationalism is supposed be open but some things are simply there in plain sight. Also walking through Glasgow city centre is quite different to 2014. Really important to push scotland rather than Britain as the acquired nationality where possible.

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    2. "acquired nationality" - what does that even mean? Middle class english managerial types with families are moving here. They have a UK/English identify in the main. They have high longevity and high political participation rates and they vote UK/No.

      The only strategy is to hurry up. We don't have to look far to see what happens if we don't. Wales.

      SNP is the road block to that strategy. If they won't cooperate and they are siding with the British state, then they must be opposed.

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    3. Agree
      Here in Moray you can hardly hear a Scots accent . Many, indeed most of the recent English incomers are aggressively ant Scottish. I corrected one such person's pronunciation of Moray ( he said it as it was spelt) . He looked me up and down and told me he was English and would pronounce it like it was written.

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    4. De Stefah , I'm not talking about English folk in Glasgow...

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    5. You people will find a natural home in Reform
      #blood and soil nationalism

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    6. It's a bit sad seeing the unionist trolls desperately trying to stir up anti-English sentiment for the unionist media to feed on like pigs.

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    7. Were the indigenous population of Tasmania wrong not to want to be wiped out by the colonial incomers?

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    8. Hardly. I'm as international focused as anyone out there but it's a hard fact there are less Scots here and it makes the case different.

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    9. Most english in Scotland are vicious bigoted ethno-nationalist supremacists aka little englanders, who believe Scotland is their possession. Civic nationalism is not for an invasive alien species. They are taking over Scotland, all the nice bits, and the natives are going to be left their own "bit", a gaza like strip along the M8 corridor.

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    10. Do we have any actual statistical evidence of this yet? I've been asking people about evidence to back up their claims of floods of English people moving up here for years, but nobody has actually produced any evidence yet. Does anyone have some yet?

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    11. And look how the Gaels wiped out the Pictish culture. Plainly, only those of pure Pictish descent should have any civil rights in Scotland; the invasive races should all go back where they came from.

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  16. From the National: "Stephen Flynn blames SNP election defeat on 'internal difficulties' "

    He must take a good part of the blame himself for saying in an interview there wasn't enough support for Independence so is was too soon or some such feeble-minded cowardly drivel.

    From this SGP article: "... that the SNP's strategy of moving towards independence by demonstrating competence in government has failed"

    But they haven't demonstrated any yet, apart from unwinding some of the most disastrous policies like DRS (costing hundreds of millions), HPMA, oh I don't know, other stupid "progressive Scotland popn 5 million out of 7 BILLION will lead the world" garbage.

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    1. Sorry that was me yesindyref2

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    2. Oh and while I'm at it, some SNP idiot said Forbes as leader which is fine - but Flynn as Depute? You WHAT? Westminster over all? Get lost. Did someone not get the message there's just 9 of them now, and they want one of them to be the depute?

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    3. Anon at 5:13 ... plenty of people supported the idea of the DRS but it was deliberately scuppered by Alistair Jack, and some people were actually in favour of the HPMA. To argue otherwise is just blind assertion.

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    4. Anon at 6.49 ... most people didn't support the idea of the DRS but it was deliberately scuppered by Lorna Slater, and most people were actually against the HPMA. To argue otherwise is just blind assertion.

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    5. Slater made an assumption and it cost businesses dearly. She is incompetent

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  17. Anyone think that Thewliss now regrets standing at the top of Buchanan street, Glasgow alongside trans nutters holding up signs saying women should get their heads chopped off. I don't.

    I see no early signs the SNP are learning any lessons and will change. Reminds me of Britnat Labour before they got wiped out - arrogant entitlement.

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    1. And the thanks she got for that was the Greens costing her the seat!

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    2. IFS -- It's already been established that A Thewliss didn't know that the sign was anywhere near her when she was photographed. You are so tiresome at times.

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    3. Leave IFS alone. He is always 100% truthful. O K I'm kidding. He really doesn't seem able to stick to the truth.

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    4. Anons at 6.52pm and 6.59pm - same person - who knows. Are they both blind Thewliss her pal Stewart and the children they brought with them. If you attend demos with these type of people what do you expect. The signs were there they stayed at the demo. Their choice. Anon at 6.59pm - no lies from me but you are a cowardly troll.

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    5. 6:52 The sign was directly behind her you clown. Do you think she just landed in the middle of the crowd from fresh air and didn't see the signs when she arrived?

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    6. IIS knows this. But don’t allow the truth deflect him from his Trotskyist mission of world dominance. Oh, ok the SGP blog.

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  18. Roderick MacdonaldJuly 8, 2024 at 6:47 PM

    Good article James.

    I would be surprised if the SNP embraced the de facto referendum approach, and agree with other posters that the public might be a little "aye right" skeptical of such a sudden conversion, which I cannot imagine the managerial Swinney to be capable of.

    It would also require the SNP to embrace a Scotland United approach I think, and firmly abandon SNP 1 and 2, given we now have some elections demonstrating the SNP 2 list vote wastes hundreds of thousands of votes for minimal list seats, and allows a Unionist rump into the parliament in numbers enough to appear legitimate. Can the SNP do that? Or do they cling to the "we did it once in 2011, a totally different political landscape, so mebbe we can do it again?" That was 13 years of net in-migration to Scotland of largely English no voters ago. If it was hard then, it can only be so much harder now.

    And going Scotland United requires the other independence parties to have a worthwhile profile to attract those former SNP 2 votes. ISP are still unknown, and Alba continue to under perform.

    Would Alba have been better off if Salmond had a Farage like lack of shame and stood in every available by election to grab the political bull horn available during that coverage and shout his message to the people? We'll never know now. I suspect he wants to clear his name in court and then re-enter front line politics, but the wheels of justice are turning exceedingly slow, and if we're on a 2026 timeline, probably too slow. And that is something he should have been able to predict and adapt to years ago now, which brings me back to the need to gamble on name recognition, even if much of it is negative, in order to get a message across that is not about him, as Farage has managed to. Obviously Farage's party has received far more media coverage and financial support than Alba ever had, which is another systemic problem Alba face.

    In the next two years can a flourishing grassroots movement be rebuilt? That the SNP can embrace, and share with others? That is the challenge I think supporters of Indy face, because the SNP has yet to demonstrate a credible change in strategic direction, and Alba and ISP and I4I (Independents for Independence) have not yet moved the needle, though I wonder if a grassroots I4I could gather steam in the next 2 years.

    This has gone long. Thanks for your even handed coverage of Scottish politics, long may you continue.

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  19. "I wonder if a grassroots I4I could gather steam in the next 2 years."

    What would cause that?

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  20. "there will be SNP parliamentarians and ex-parliamentarians who are currently thinking that independence has to be ruthlessly sacrificed in an election-winning push"

    Who?

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    1. Stephen Flynn for one, Alyn Smith for an ex.

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  21. Anon at 6.49: Deleted, go away, do not post here again, ever. Many thanks.

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  22. The SNP can disappear into years of a droning robot, or they can disappear into years of a small town conservative churcher. Alba have already disappeared, and the reason is obvious.

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  23. So Alba are reduced to a dingbat MSP who's idea of campaigning for independence involves thermometers.

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  24. remember the day John swinney stood up in Scottish parliament an defended the indefensible - the 11k charged to the public

    its like he was blind & didn’t care

    that’s when I changed my vote

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    1. Indeed,
      Matheson told lie after lie, but still Yousaf and now Swinney continue to back him.
      As the saying goes, when in a hole, stop digging.

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    2. Matheson is actually a good guy that made a mistake.

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    3. Usually someone who did what Matherson did would get prosecuted for fraud. And there would be no two enquiries. He's sacked. Not from being a government supremo. Full on sacked.

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    4. No money was lost to the public purse. So prosecution not possible or would have made any sense to rational thinkers.

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    5. I'll use that 'public purse' excuse next time I mug a pensioner!

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    6. Matheson did try to defraud the taxpayers until his wife told the truth. It's getting on for criminal.

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    7. Remember the day Jack McConnell stood up in The Scottish Parliament and defended the indefensible BILLIONS the Scottish taxpayer was going to have to pay for decades as a result of his PFI initiative?
      No...thought not.

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  25. John Swinney should stay on until 2026 and lead us into that.

    Then Kate Forbes can take over and prepare us for the next chapter.

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    1. If Swinney’s happy to stay on, and that appears the case, he should be given til the Holyrood election. It would be disgraceful if they tried to replace him after a few months, after stepping up to the plate in our hour of need.
      If the 2026 election goes badly, then the leadership issue should probably be looked at, but until such time the man needs to be given a chance.

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    2. Basically they are fucked.

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    3. So what you're saying is you want Kate Forbes to take over to rebuild after the SNP becomes the opposition at Holyrood?

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  26. But 50% of people want independence, according to polling.

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  27. You're a Britnat fud.

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  28. Time for Humour

    Scottish (Declan) Skier is back on familiar comfortable territory here.

    " People who demand separate sex loos are total hypocrites, as they all have mixed sex use gender neutral loos and bathrooms in their homes, which guests are forced to use. "

    I don't know what goes on in the Skier household but I have never forced any guests to use my bathroom.

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    1. Good grief , I don't care where you or your visitors do their business .
      Hae we nae mair important things to think aboot?

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    2. I don't invite the general public into my bathroom either. I don't think Skier grasps the principle of a 'public convenience'. Still, it's good to see him back on familiar ground now that the election is over.

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    3. Anon at 9.03pm have you nae got the time to put a moniker on your post. Have you nae got the time to have a laugh.

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    4. IfS do you have separate sex toilets in your house? I doubt it.

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    5. Anon do you invite strangers to use your toilets? I doubt it.

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  29. You're a Britnat fud.

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  30. KARMA

    There is a beautiful karma in Stewart McDonald and Alyn Smith losing their troughing rights at the hands of the Greens. Thewliss already having been mentioned before. Aye Karma can be painful for some and pleasurable for others.

    Funny how the numpties keep going on about Alba splitting the vote but it is the Greens who helped boot out a few SNP MPs. They really do not get much right at all these numpties.

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    1. Aye , I micht me that get awfu SNP body but I'm wi thee there . Sturgeon's acolytes need to go
      Swinney included.
      Salmond nae use either -yesterday's man and wi a tarnished reputation.

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    2. Unthirldom - I have never disputed the reality of Salmond's reputation being tarnished. What I do not accept is criminals getting away with their activities. Especially when it is designed to prevent Scottish independence. Do you not know who the alphabetties are ?

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    3. Nae really , I'm aa'fu sorry but I dinnae aaways pay richt attenshon tae thy posts .
      Nae worries we can aye look forrard nae backwards


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    4. Noo , Ah'm thinkin o the alphabetties. Ye maun be referin tae the LBQplusXYZ or fitever? Is it no strange theres nae S?

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    5. Thankfully you guys aren’t on any jury. Have you been barred?

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  32. KC rides again with the same old story at 9.02pm. Scotland is England's colony. Swinney sitting laughing and joking with the current coloniser in Chief disnae cut it as an independence leader. An accountant or a bank manager but the man to free Scotland😛😛.

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  33. Wrong once again IFS!
    @9:02 NOT KC.

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  34. Thr nationalist bloc have had roughly 50% more than once already?

    Polls showed a majority for it when Sturgeon announced the idea


    And then the snp fell apart.

    The people were there for a moment but the snp nose dived with financial irregularity, crap policies and arrests.

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  35. I would say though that my take is to call a defacto vote (if required) from a position of strength and a fair wind that the people are on that wave length.

    We had that at one point. London was quaking. But it was gone a blink of an eye later.

    I think that position of strength is built up over time. Just declaring a vote a defacto without it, doesn't carry the same weight.

    It's the way forward, for sure, but when to play it is a difficult one.

    I'm not sure what the correct course is actually myself.

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    1. How about every election is de facto for SNP?

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  36. The duck tape holding the linomeum togethether at the Aberdeen Royal Infirmary is unravelling. The clocks don't work and niether does the lift.

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  37. It's a single issue election campaign. Don't disguise it in Latin.

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  38. Nicola Sturgeon was front and centre on ITV's election coverage and was a great addition to their line-up.

    ITV was far better than BBC this time out - more use of renowned academic experts and much less fancy graphics.

    (By contrast the BBC wheeled out their Prof only rarely).

    Nicola contributed very fully to the debate and I think it was great to see her perform so well on such a widely-viewed platform.

    She was able to push back on a lot of the wrong narratives that were out there about the SNP and about her leadership.

    She correctly pointed out that John Swinney is the right man for the job and that he should continue.

    She felt Humza was wrong to ditch the agreement with the Greens.

    She also made clear that independence should have featured more strongly in the election campaign.

    She pointed out that this was a "boot the Tories out" election and that this harmed the SNP.

    She was joined by George Osborne and Ed Balls - it was great to see the SNP up there equal-billing with Labour and the Tories.

    She had many moving and insightful comments about what it is like to lose office.

    The ITN 8- hour special is an absolute treat for those many of us who support Nicola Sturgeon's vision and is available to view on Youtube.

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    1. Anon@9:16,
      Excellent post, well said.
      I also watched ITV on election night, and thought she was excellent.
      What would we give for someone with Nicola Sturgeon’s leadership qualities today?

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    2. Agreed.

      Nicola was very good at analysing the figures, pointing out that the SNP were on 30 and Labour on 35 in Scotland.

      She also urged Labour to take on Farage rather than pander to him. A message that resonated with the other guests.

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    3. Nicola was also able to take on some discordant commentary. She batted down hostile comments from Joanna Cherry and the ITV journalist Peter Smith with great dignity.

      Overall, I would say she held her own.

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    4. She certainly did.
      I usually watch BBC on election night, but this time when I saw Nicola Sturgeon was on ITV, thought I’d give it a try.
      Glad I did, the program was good and she really contributed to that.

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    5. "Nicola was very good at analysing the figures, pointing out that the SNP were on 30 and Labour on 35 in Scotland."

      Didn't see it, but given that those figures didn't become apparent until 24 hours after the programme went off air, it seems unlikely she was able to quote them.

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    6. Can I put £10 on that the above exchange is just the same Anon having a conversation with themselves?

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    7. She did not have the final figures, but she did state that it looks like Labour would end up on around 35 and SNP on around 30.

      She made the point in real time.

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    8. You're having a laugh. She's no good at figures. She said the accounts were in healthy condition if you recall - and they weren't, ask the then CEO her husband. A woman writing memoirs who can't remember anything at a enquiry - come on!

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    9. Anon@10:41 My thoughts exactly.

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  39. Look back at this thread - what a mire of recrimination.
    To me there's little doubt that so much dirt has been kicked up, a lot of it real, that the future of the independence movement has no leading place for Salmond or Sturgeon or anyone defining themselves in terms of either of those politically ruined individuals.
    The SNP is dominated by careerists and has too many mediocrities in salaried positions (even after last Thursday).
    Surely the way forward is to build the, non party political, independence movement ? That movement should have a Scotland united approach to each and every election with no preconceptions of which party(ies) to support beforehand. Careerism and entitlement have corrupted our politicians as much as any others. If we can grow the movement explaining why we need independence and what we will need to do to achieve it then the politicians will gradually need to come to us or sod off into the dustbin of history.

    Leave the failed 'suits' behind !

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    1. Agree with this in parts.

      Where I would disagree is as follows.

      The SNP shouldn't take the step of standing aside (as some in the so-called Scotland united approach would want us to do) in particular constituencies for other parties. The arguments have been well rehearsed.

      Also I agree that Salmond has been discredited but I would argue Sturgeon has not. She has a reach that no other SNP politician possesses.

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    2. In other words, the SNP should stand aside for nobody and be the only vehicle for indy supporters and Chief Mammy should return to wipe our behinds! Sheesh, did last Thursday even happen for some folk?

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    3. The SNP vehicle cannot be put aside. Individuals within the SNP need to be put aside. Never thought I’d say if but NS needs to go, together with her clique. Cherry and others need a meeting of reconciliation with the Holyrood group and a way forward established. And the confrontation both at Westminster and in Holyrood needs to begin. No confrontation, no Independence.

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    4. Agreed. The SNP stables need cleared of shite. It’s a filthy job, but they remain the only viable expression of the independence cause.

      As for NS vs. AS? Forget them both. Our cause is distracted by them. Both have been discarded now by the electorate.

      There is no fair in politics. But there is a future, which is coming all the same, whether our eyes are open to it or not.

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    5. I don't think they will be able to pay many of them any more, and I don't think they rock up for free.

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  40. Anon 10.12 you are deluded. Salmond has been exonerated, Sturgeon is at best a once popular incompetent. Time to ditch both of them

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    1. I don't understand why Salmond is regarded as a politician rather than a party functionary. If he was a politician he would run for election.

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    2. I despair over the comments over salmond and Nicola Sturgeon. Past news.

      Any chance we can discuss independence and how to achieve it whether in part through a revamped constitution convention for independence not devolution and tactics for Holyrood elections. For alba and the other smaller pro independence parties what are you real differences if any? EU/ EFTA, nato or not? Get together and you may attract more attention and votes.

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    3. “Won’t someone PLEASE think of independence!”

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  41. Another thing to bear in mind in 2026: the Greens might go into government with Anas in any case. Slater said the quiet part loud, so we know it’s on their radar.

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