Tuesday, January 16, 2024

Making it make sense for Kezia Dugdale

Secret SNP sleeper agent Kezia Dugdale, long since brilliantly exposed by the genius of Ian Smart, let the side down badly yesterday by posting this - 

"For decades the SNP said voting Labour was pointless because England was true blue. Now they argue it's so left wing, it'll vote Labour for you. Make it make sense."

It's pretty much impossible to make that make sense, because as a paraphrase of the SNP's position it cannot possibly be accurate.  Labour were in power at Westminster, and thus had a majority of English seats, as recently as May 2010, so plainly the SNP can't have been saying "for decades" that England is true blue.  Nor can I see any evidence that the SNP are saying now that England will vote Labour "for you", ie. for Scotland. There's simply an observation based on strong evidence that England pretty clearly plans to vote Labour for its own reasons, and that Scottish voters are entitled to factor that into their own thinking.  Whatever those reasons are, they're unlikely to have much to do with left-wing impulses, given that Starmer's Labour is right-wing, illiberal, authoritarian and militaristic.

There's also an implicit assumption in the "for you" line that Labour represents the heart's desire of Scots, and that the SNP are eccentrically suggesting that people can somehow get Labour by voting for another party.  In fact, what the SNP are presumably assuming is that voters want the Tories out, which is not the same thing as craving a majority Labour government, however much Labour activists might try to pretend the two concepts are interchangeable.  In her Press & Journal piece, Ms Dugdale says this:

"If Labour need to win 110 seats at this year’s election in order to form a Government, you’d expect at least 10% of those to come from Scotland. Call it a Barnett formula share.

Without winning any seats in Scotland, there is still a route to Number 10 for Keir Starmer, but it requires securing something akin to a 14% swing."

But that's not true, is it?  There's an additional route to Number 10 for Starmer, and thus an additional route to a non-Tory government, which involves the support of SNP MPs for a Labour government that lacks a majority.  In seats that only the SNP and Labour can win, it therefore doesn't matter who comes out on top from the point of view of a voter who only cares about dislodging the Tories from power - unless of course you think the SNP would prop up a Tory government, which they plainly wouldn't.  Labour are banking on voters not understanding that point, and perhaps they might even be in luck there.  But come on, Kez, don't insult our intelligence by pretending you don't understand it yourself.

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22 comments:

  1. I wonder if Kezia has thought of standing?

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  2. One of the biggest problems we’re going to face at the GE, and indeed the Holyrood election in 2026, is tactical voting by unionists.
    If a seat is a 2 horse race between the SNP and Labour, a lot of Tory and LD voters aren’t going to think twice about voting Labour. The only way this won’t happen is if Tory voters think they’ve a chance of winning the GE, which would seem extremely unlikely.

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    1. On the other hand, there'll be anti-Tory tactical voting in any seat where the Tories are in contention, and that will almost always work in the SNP's favour.

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  3. Sorry genuine error, Dugdale.

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  4. The big dug who managed to make Egg Man Murphy seem competent. What a load of gibberish by Dugdale. Beats me why anyone would think Labour under Starmer is left wing. Starmer has basically said he will keep most Tory policies but just do them better. Usually politicians lie after they have achieved government power. Starmer lied to get party political power. Even if Corbyn wanted freedom for all peoples around the globe except Scotland he did have a measure of personal integrity unlike the rest of them and was betrayed by Starmer and his anti Semite witch hunt. Starmer who just happens to have a wife of the Jewish faith.
    Starmer happy to keep starving kids in the UK and at the same time keep facilitating blowing kids to bits in Palestine. Tories are disgusting, Labour is disgusting, Lib Dems a sad joke, SNP Betrayers.

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  5. This opinion by a WGD numpty needs a wider audience. It shows the type of fact avoidance, delusional world that nicophants live in.

    Golfnut says:- " Strategy wise, they are way in front of us, only Nicola Sturgeon managed to panic them with the UKSC......."

    This nicophant actually thinks the Britnats were shitting themselves when Sturgeon went to a London court for permission to hold a referendum which, if successful, would end the court who were making the judgement. The Britnats were celebrating - agent Sturgeon was bringing it home - a great excuse for the SNP not to have a referendum and Sturgeon delivered it.

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  6. Can anyone sack a Lord Advocate? Bain should go. Yousaf says Bain and COPFS are independent but the FM appoints the Lord Advocate and the Lord Advocate runs COPFS. Bain also sits in the Scottish Government. Just how many disgraceful episodes do we need to put up with from the COPFS before people are held accountable.
    Bain today in Holyrood was all about trying to cover her back and the COPFS backs just as Yousaf was at FMQs.

    Bain says because few of the persecuted post office people responded to their letter they were probably guilty anyway is appalling. It disnae seemed to have cross her mind that maybe their previous experience with COPFS was so bad they didn't want any more to do with them. Or maybe it did but she preferred to throw them under the guilty bus again.

    COPFS just accepted the Post Office assurances - not once but many times Bain said - funny how they never accepted the assurances of the people. Bain actually stated that COPFS is a trusted institution πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚ - trusted to get it wrong all the time and waste public funds.

    About time Bain and COPFS were held to account for their wrong doing. They hold other people to account for wrong doings every day - except when they get it wrong -and that is way too often. They are numpties or lazy bastards who cannae do their job properly - not fit for purpose either way. It's like a bloody secret club in that building.

    I forecast because Bain was appointed by Sturgeon the SNP numpties will look the other way re her shortcomings.

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    1. Unbelievable - Yousay goes on the telly and says some of the convictions re the Post Office scandal may be sound.
      FFS - these people have suffered enough but that idiot Yousaf points the finger of suspicion on them again. To summarise Yousaf and Bain both point the finger of suspicion on them again - what a disgrace this pair are. Some numpty previously posted Yousaf is looking more sure footed - this idiot goes looking for banana skins. Aye that's right Yousaf put yourself on the side of the Post Office - that'll get you votes - not.

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  7. What should Alba’s policy be on standing candidates James?

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  8. Rob here, Richard Murphy's blog regularly casts an eye over Labour's faults - not least of which is Starmer himself and his moulding of Labour into the TCP (tory continuity party) or Lino (Labour in name only). It may work for him in England, but surely once Scottish voters see it, he's toast, isn't he?

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  9. WGD numpty Dr Jim says:- " Its simple, if Alex Salmond had a dead certain plan to gain independence for Scotland he'd surely be telling us all and we'd be surging forward wouldn't he?"

    The WGD numpties told us for many, many years that Sturgeon had a secret plan and you keep your plan secret because you don't tell your enemies your plan. They quickly shut up when Russell published his phoney 11 point plan. So here we have nasty numpty Dr Jim attacking Salmond and saying he should do what they said for years you shouldn't do. The reason he is attacking Salmond is that he is furious that SNPs backed Hanvey in the House of Commons - pathetic - Jimbo you are a pathetic nicophant .

    What Hanvey did was show that Westminster owns Scotland as a colony and they need to withdraw from that House of Horrors. English MPs do not recognise any union of equals - it's a colonial relationship - if you cannae see that you are blind. If you participate in Westminster you are legitimising Scotland's status as a colony.

    I can tell Jimbo one thing - there is no sign of anybody surging forward with the SNP (under Sturgeon's gang) after 9 years and counting.

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    1. All Scottish MPs who remain in Westminster following that vote on Hanvey's bill are agreeing that we Scots have no right to self determination. They are agreeing we are owned lock, stock and oil and gas and electricity by the English. We are the colonised the English are the colonials. It's time for a walk out and no going back and that means the Alba MPs as well. If they stay there it means the cheap booze and nice cheap restaurants in the Palace of Westminster mean more to them than our right to self determination. All this stuff about Labour being crap and the Tories being criminal and tactical voting is all pissing around the edges and accepting our colony status. If we have no right of self determination in the UK phoney union then we have nothing.

      Starmer prattled on about the rights of self determination for the Tamills just the other day but his MPs vote against it for Scotland. What a f*****g hypocrite.

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    2. The only route to independence is through a referendum. It’s up to us to drive support up beyond 50% for a sustained period. If we can’t do that we’re p*****g against the wind.

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    3. Anonymous at 12.50pm - are you dense? Serious question. England just said you have no right to self determination. There will be no referendum - ever - what does it matter what the polls say or how many MPs there are. It's a question of a basic right. The main difference between us and the Palestinisns is they ain't bombing the shit out of us. So you are dense and talking piss or you are a Britnat.

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    4. Absolute nonsense “independence for Scotland “ we need to get a sustainable majority in favour of independence. We haven’t even got that. That has to be the number one priority.
      Surely to goodness you can understand that.

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    5. That horrible Lib Dem Christine Jardine said we Scots have benefitted from referendums but you are only getting the referendums that England wants you to have. A colonial arrangement. How she thinks as a supporter of the EU that the 2016 Referendum benefited Scotland is beyond me but Britnat's only do propaganda - making sense is optional just like anonymouse above. Jardine a traitor to Scotland.

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    6. Anonymous at 1.11pm I understand that you are like a stuck record and tune you are singing is pish.

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    7. Ifs, you’re an even bigger stuck record and your tune is even more pish!

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    8. Anonymous at 8.54am 🀣🀣🀣🀣🀣🀣 you cannae even think up your own insults. This shows a distinct lack of imagination that is common in Britnats who cannae imagine a free Scotland. I guess your report card at school kept saying "lacks imagination but is persistent and irritating at times."

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  10. The Dug knows fine well the SNP won't vote with the Tories but she also knows and Starmer knows that they won't support Tory policies put forward by Labour either. Hence his refusal to countenance any agreement with the SNP.

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  11. Why would anyone ever expect anything sensible would come from Kezia Dugdale? I have not forgotten that her political origins are as assistant to that political “genius” ( “but the SNP are doing it deliberately”) , George Foulkes!

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