Friday, July 1, 2022

Dramatic Savanta ComRes poll suggests pro-independence parties could be just 1% away from winning an outright mandate for independence at a 2024 plebiscite election

After the shocking events of the #Matchettgate fake poll scandal in the early part of last year, it's entirely rational for us to treat any Scotsman poll written up by Conor Matchett with a due amount of scepticism until the full facts become clear.  Matchett's piece on the new poll yesterday is hidden behind a paywall, but it certainly looks to me like his claim that voters are opposed to Nicola Sturgeon's date for the independence referendum is not quite what it appears - because the only Scotsman poll mentioned on the ComRes website was conducted before Nicola Sturgeon announced the referendum date.  I can't find the relevant question in the data tables, so I suppose it's possible Matchett is referring to a second poll conducted immediately afterwards, but that seems highly unlikely.  So presumably this was just the typical generic question about whether voters want a referendum within a couple of years.

The whole point about the setting of the date is that it changes the dynamic - for the first time the Scottish Government is attempting to lead public opinion on referendum timing rather than being a slave to it.  Instead of hypotheticals, any future polling on timing is likely to be a binary choice on whether voters want the referendum on 19th October next year as announced.  It's perfectly possible there might still be a degree of public opposition even with the greater clarity we now have - but it looks like Matchett's poll can't tell us that one way or the other.  

What it can tell us, though, is that the Yes vote is holding up nicely on the main independence question.

Should Scotland be an independent country?  (Savanta ComRes / Scotsman, 23rd - 28th June 2022)

Yes 49% (-)
No 51% (-)

Remember that ComRes tended to be on the No-friendly end of the spectrum last year, so a virtual dead heat is very creditable for Yes at this stage.

There were also Holyrood numbers in the poll...

Scottish Parliament constituency ballot:

SNP 46% (-)
Labour 25% (-)
Conservatives 18% (-)
Liberal Democrats 8% (+1)

Scottish Parliament regional list ballot:

SNP 33% (+2)
Labour 24% (+1)
Conservatives 20% (+2)
Greens 13% (-1)
Liberal Democrats 8% (-2)
Alba 2% (-1)

So barely any change at all on the constituency ballot, and nothing hugely significant on the list either. Of note is the fact that Alba are still very much registering, even though they're down one percentage point on the previous ComRes poll.  In the briefing SNP sources gave to the press on Nicola Sturgeon's new strategy, there was a thinly-coded signal that part of the motivation was to get Alba voters back on board with the SNP.  Even though Alba haven't won any seats in the two elections they've fought so far, the SNP will probably feel they need to have those 2% of voters back in the fold, especially in a Westminster election - and making it a plebiscitary election is an elegant way of achieving that.  If that has been part of the thinking, we in Alba should be patting ourselves on the back - it means we've played a crucial role in dragging the SNP to where they need to be on independence strategy.  Our role now is not to impede the SNP as they pursue the new strategy, but to support them - unless of course they start backtracking, in which case we'll need to hold their feet to the fire.  (They may not think they want our support, but they certainly need it whether they realise that or not - many of the most experienced pro-indy activists are in Alba's ranks.)

Last but by no means least, we have Scottish voting intentions for Westminster, which show us how close the SNP are to achieving a mandate for independence in a plebiscitary election.

Scottish voting intentions for the next UK general election:

SNP 46% 
Labour 25%
Conservatives 18%
Liberal Democrats 8%
Another party 3%

I wouldn't normally bother including the "another party" figure, but in this case it's absolutely crucial, because if those people are basically Greens, the combined SNP-Green vote share (ie. the pro-indy vote share) could be just 1% or 2% shy of the magical 50% threshold.

We also have a snap independence poll from a firm I've never previously heard of called Techne (it looks like the offshoot of an Italian firm), and this one was carried out after the First Minister's announcement.  It has Yes 46% and No on 54%. I'd treat this with caution, because the sample size was only around 500 - which is high enough to be credible, but is only about half of what is normal.  There's also a degree of uncertainty due to the firm's lack of any track record in Scotland, although it is a member of the British Polling Council.

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8 comments:

  1. I don't know if I'm just reading too much mainstream media response to this, but I can't help but have my doubts about whether the Scottish people have the nerve to go for Yes.

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    1. I feel like we'll only truly get an answer to that if we get into a "proper" indy campaign. On one hand it feels like sometimes nothing much shifts the polls these days. On the other hand, with that stability it feels like Yes have a very solid base to launch from.

      But as someone astutely said on an earlier thread it feels a bit like Sturgeon's cried wolf a few too many times, so this latest proclamation has (thus far) only really generated a lot of "meh" from people. That goes even for some hardened indy campaigners, because there's still nothing entirely tangible on the table - at this point, anyway.

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  2. Alba, certain bloggers and constant comment posters in The National, have definitely played a role in dragging the SNP into some positive action, even if it is action partly designed to safeguard the SNP's own future.

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  3. Yes , yes you are reading too much into it. We won in 2014 but there was mass cheating by the British establishment to allow them to win. Scottish and Irish people were being attacked and the police done nothing.

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  4. Sturgeon is now committed. She knows any going back on independence on her part will damage her reputation and the stature of the SNP. Indeed I expect she will, in countering the inevitable attacks by rabid unionists in parliament and in the media, end up being more radical than anyone else in fighting for Scotland's independence.

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    1. owenmullions@gmail.comJuly 2, 2022 at 4:07 PM

      If you believe that I've a couple of bridges to sell you. She has done nothing but sit on her bum for eight years (apart from trying to jail Alex Salmond) and that won't change.

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  5. For goodness sake you have anonymous numpties saying Sturgeon will end up being more radical than anyone else in fighting for Scotland's independence. Truly unbelievable. Where has this radical independence fighter been the last 8 years. Fighting for independence - no. Fighting all manner of social/gay/trans rights - yes. Trying to send Salmond to jail - yes. This never ending con by Sturgeon is making me realise just how many Scots are gullible. No wonder we have been in this abusive Union for 315 years and counting.

    A true independence leader would have said to Theresa May if no sec 30 then I will use the next election. A true independence leader would have said to Boris Johnston if no sec 30 then I will use the next election.

    All Sturgeon has to do is make a promise and the glee club go all giddy.

    I once posted that numpties will just go on and on accepting every promise Sturgeon makes about independence until they die or Sturgeon departs the scene. It's looking like I was correct. Russell's 11 point plan - now ignored/forgotten. Is this new Sturgeon plan" - to call it a plan actually is a joke - even documented anywhere? Where are the necessary actions, responsibilities and timescales set out to achieve either a referendum on 19th October 2023 or using a UK GE. This is a series of promises cobbled together at short notice to keep the numpties happy over the summer holidays.

    As it's Wimbledon time. " you cannot be serious".

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  6. I never voted Alba, as I didn't buy into the 'super majority' sell, and still had faith Nicola Sturgeon wouldn't commit political suicide by not calling a referendum. However I don't understand why Alba do not become a Independence movement.
    I was at recent AUOB in Bannockburn, and have been to a few recent ones also, and sorry, they are just awful. Numbers are low, and the presentations at the end are cringing, aging men in leather jackets with Kilts, singing about old Caledonia with plastic American accents, and speakers shout Tory Scum and fuck Thatcher, she was evil, blah, blah, blah, it's just hard to listen to. It's not reflective of modern Scotland, it doesn't inspire, it has no vision, and anyone under 40 yrs does not relate to Thatchers Britain.
    It needs radical change, why does Alba not fill that void, organise, March, raise their profile, increase their presence, be the flag bearer now of the new Yes movement, now that we know the battle grounds have been chosen.
    Imagine, bringing together Scottish artists such as Gerry Cinamon, Amy McDonald, Biffy Clyro, Paulo Nuttini, Niteworks, to hold a concert for Scottish Democracy, think of the numbers it would attract, young and old. Invite our creative communities to speak, our actors such as Martin Comptson, Alan Cumming, Sam Hughenden, invite, our comedians Frankie Boyle, Kevin Bridges, Limmy. Let's use our imaginations to inspire our people, Alba has the influence to reach out and achieve this, and play a meaningful role in bringing about Independence.

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