Wednesday, November 10, 2021

Response to 'feedback' on the Scot Goes Pop GRA poll

There are several more questions to come from the Scot Goes Pop / Panelbase poll about GRA reform, but inevitably as a result of polling on such a sensitive topic, I've been receiving a certain amount of what might euphemistically be described as "forthright feedback". So I thought I'd deal with some of the recurring themes in this post.

"Human rights should NEVER be decided by opinion poll!"

This implictly suggests that the act of simply commissioning a poll on any topic somehow carries the implication that the results of the poll should decide the matter.  That plainly is not the case, and in fact I've spoken out many times against any creeping move towards a "YouGov democracy" - eg. Alister Jack's suggestion that it might be OK to hold an independence referendum in 2039 as long as opinion pollsters say we want one.  In a healthy democracy, nothing at all should be decided simply by opinion poll, but that doesn't mean that polls shouldn't be carried out or that they don't have a role to play.

As far as human rights are concerned, there isn't yet a consensus among global policy-makers, even those of a liberal persuasion, that gender self-ID forms part of the canon of inalienable human rights alongside the rights to life, to free speech, and so on.  If there was such a consensus, we wouldn't even be having the current debate over GRA reform.  But advocates of self-ID themselves clearly feel that public opinion should carry a certain amount of weight in that debate - hence frequently-heard claims such as "a large majority of women support self-ID". It's scarcely illegitimate, then, to put those claims to the test and to discover whether they are actually accurate.  The results of the Scot Goes Pop poll strongly suggest that they are not.

The erroneous belief that there is huge public support for self-ID appears, ironically, to be derived mainly from YouGov polling commissioned by Pink News - which begs the obvious question of whether Pink News think human rights should be decided by opinion poll.  They achieved the results they wanted by asking in very vague terms whether people should be able to self-identify as a different gender from their sex at birth - without specifying that this would be a legally-recognised process that would confer all of the legal rights of belonging to a particular gender, and that would remove any preconditions such as a medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria.  There was other YouGov polling at around the same time that showed a majority of respondents thought any concrete legal rights from a change of gender should only apply to those who had actually undergone gender reassignment surgery.  In other words, respondents actually strongly opposed legal self-ID, but hadn't understood the implications of the extremely ambiguous question they had been asked about it.  It's likely that they assumed they were being asked a motherhood and apple pie question about whether it's OK for people who were born male to think of themselves as a woman, and vice versa - which, of course, is a right that already exists.

The intentional vagueness of the Pink News question reminds me a bit of a question I asked in a poll eighteen months ago: "Should Scotland rejoin the European Union?" I deliberately didn't specify that this might involve becoming an independent country - I wanted to see how people would react to the general principle of Scotland rejoining the EU if the baggage of independence was taken out of the equation.  By the same token, Pink News wanted people to answer a question about self-ID without any consideration of the issues of a legal process and of legal rights.  The trouble is that this produced a result that is almost meaningless - because the proposed reform of the GRA is all about a legal process and legal rights.

"Why the GRA?  Aren't there a whole range of other important subjects to poll about, such as climate change and Covid recovery?"

As there have been polls about pretty much every subject under the sun, including climate change and Covid recovery, the question really ought to be "why not the GRA?"  There's no reason why this should be the only subject that no-one ever feels able to ask about in a poll.  As it happens, though, in spite of the fact that this was always intended to be primarily a poll about the GRA, I added on questions about a number of other important subjects such as the devolution of broadcasting, Royal interference in the independence debate, and recent shortages of goods and petrol.  I have also asked about many other subjects, including Covid, in previous polls.

"But what has this got to do with independence?"

Nothing, directly.  So what's your point? Are you saying you'll forego dinner tonight because it doesn't have anything to do with independence? The SNP government themselves don't seem to be deterred by the fact that GRA reform will not help achieve independence.  And in a way that's the whole point - I'm heartbroken by the way the SNP leadership's obsession with this issue has needlessly opened up a rift in the independence movement, and I would like to see a resolution.  A clear-sighted view of where public opinion stands, such as this poll provides, might be a small step towards a resolution.

"Urgh! This is so transphobic! Urgh!"

Er, what's transphobic?  What is "this"?  If you mean the results of the poll, you'd have to take that up with the representative sample of 1001 Scottish voters who were interviewed and who gave their honest views.  If you mean the fact that a poll was conducted on this subject at all, you'd have to take it up with the many different clients that have commissioned GRA-related polls over the last two or three years - including, as noted above, pro-self-ID campaigners such as Pink News.

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13 comments:

  1. Outstandingly clear and rational responses -- a real contribution (I hope) to the restoration of sanity to the public expression of opinion.....

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  2. Those responses are exactly what you'd expected to have received, James, since the adherents of gender identity ideology themselves know that the thong they are arguing for makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. That's why Stonewall asserts "no debate" on this issue: because when people start to have a discussion then it's clear that one 'side' of the debate is based on absolute rubbish, going against the other which is grounded on millennia of settled science and common sense.

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    1. The 'thong' they are arguing for!!? Surely we won't all have to wear a thong after the GRA passes?😁

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  3. All statements of the obvious.

    Have you noticed how the media in the USA is totally ignoring every single piece of evidence proving that Kyle Rittenhouse is innocent. Much like the media here ignoring the defence proving that all the alphabetties were liars.
    In our case it was so they could continue their narrative that Salmond was an evil rapist and over there it seems to be aimed at provoking massive riots so they can destroy more of society and blame trump and white supremacists. Again.

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  4. PS. Could someone, maybe her new £100,000pa advisor, remind nicola murrell that she is supposed to be the First Minister of Scotland. Chasing after a minor american politician looks even more desperate than her grovelling to biden.
    There is a certain irony in AOC swigging Irn Bru given her well documented fondness for Coke. Last time I saw eyes like hers it was Dennis Hopper in Apocalypse Now.

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    1. Sturgeon is like a groupie at a concert hanging around trying to get selfies with the stars of the show.

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  5. Another excellent article James.

    My comments as follows:

    "Human rights should never be decided by opinion poll." I agree with the entirety of this section.

    "Why the GRA." Again I agree with this section.

    "What has this got to do with independence." Perhaps nothing directly as you say but it does have the potential to be weaponised against the SNP and by association independence. A leader of an independence movement would realise this and avoid it completely but not this lot in charge of the SNP they care more about this than Scottish independence and that damns them in my eyes as devolutionalists (unionists).

    "This is so transphobic." Again I agree with your comments. There is nothing transphobic about polling on the subject. There are people who are transphobic (e.g. See Gordon Dangerfield's blog ) but this to me is people totally against trans people being allowed to exist. The SNP definition of transphobia is way way over the top and is typical of the "no debate" approach. Who would have thought an SNP NEC would never discuss independence but find plenty of time to produce a long list of words and action you cannae say/do or it's oot the party for you. Every year that passes the SNP becomes less democratic and more authoritarian. Sturgeon's way or the highway.

    The WGD numpties do not like this type of poll because they like to think that everything Sturgeon does represents the people of Scotland and when a poll shows she is out of step with the majority in Scotland their wee minds cannae compute this so they do what they always do re such info turn away and pretend it disnae exist.



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  6. A new WGD numpty called Marc pops up to say "..... with the SNP committed to holding the 2nd referendum by 2023..... "

    Sorry to break it to you Marc they are not committed to holding a referendum by 2023. It's a PREFERENCE SUBJECT TO COVID not a commitment.

    This is like Groundhog Day with these numpties. They still say the SNP was committed to a refendum in 2020 but Covid intervened. Not true there was never a commitment. Sturgeon specifically ruled it out in her speech of Jan 2020 as a sec 30 had not been granted.

    The key difference is that in the film time stood still but in the SNP/WGD numpty version of Groundhog Day years fly by and nothing changes. Just more bullshit from Sturgeon.

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  7. Would I be condemned as an Anglophobe by the Britnats if I said well done New Zealand in knocking out the English and Welsh Cricket Board team from the Workd Cup T20.

    Surprised the SNP NEC haven't yet agreed a list of Anglophobe actions/words to keep their London masters happy. These Scots cannae be allowed to sass their masters you know.

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    1. Yes, of course you would be so condemned. You should be drawn, hung, quartered and your body dispatched to the four corners of the Queendom to deter others.

      A naive and unsophisticated person might think that it is perfectly normal to congratulate one foreign team for coming from behind against another foreign team and showing great mental fortitude in the last few overs. That, as we all know, is no longer international best practice. The Gold Standard is that all countries must cheer on their neighboring countries, whether they are worthy of support or not.

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    2. I'm Welsh and I, along with most of my mates, were also supporting NZ.

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  8. To be honest,I am so tired of this whole subject! So-called 'progressive' politics are fine and dandy but most SNP supporters are voting for independence not a redefinition of basic biology. We need a leadership that talks about independence, not what pronoun to use for a 'woman' with a penis. Where has all this nonsense come from and why is it so important to the Sturgeon cult? We desperately need a party - be it Alba, ISP or whoever - that will put independence front and centre, anything else is a pointless distraction.





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  9. Well done James for bravely going into the shell-riven no mans land that is the gender debate. What's even more brave is that you have posed neutral and well written questions.

    "Why the GRA? Aren't there a whole range of other important subjects to poll about, such as climate change and Covid recovery?"

    Perhaps this is the great importance of the GRA reform: it discredits the SNP and the SGP in the eyes of ordinary voters and thus their flagship policies of independence, and climate action. Your poll for the first time is measuring the size of this effect.

    They say "follow the money". I could not imagine very rich men spending anything to allow trans men to self identify and claim womanhood. But to fatally wound the two parties governing Scotland, that would be worth a lot of money. Expect a lot of unionist and gas/oil money to fund the attack when it comes.

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