Presumably the Lib Dems think France should also be required to leave the European Union in order to save the English from the consequences of their own voting preferences.https://t.co/ZiqZWlsUu9
— James Kelly (@JamesKelly) December 30, 2020
‘The English’ 🙄
— Tim Farron (@timfarron) December 30, 2020
What the hell's supposed to be wrong with that?
— James Kelly (@JamesKelly) December 30, 2020
Lumping us together as some homogeneous oppressive mass. It’s a hallmark of nationalism to do that, and I’m assuming you don’t want lumping in with UKIP...?
— Tim Farron (@timfarron) December 30, 2020
Tim, you are making yourself look completely bloody ridiculous here. Everyone can see that there is nothing whatsoever about my tweet, let alone the innocuous term "the English", that states or implies an "oppressive mass".
— James Kelly (@JamesKelly) December 31, 2020
For future reference, is there an acceptable Lib Dem term for "the people of England"? And if there isn't, doesn't that make conversation slightly difficult at times?
— James Kelly (@JamesKelly) December 31, 2020
Just not lump us all together... or talk about us as if we’re all Boris Johnson or Margaret Thatcher. I’m a northerner so I’m far more British than English.
— Tim Farron (@timfarron) December 31, 2020
Sigh. I ask again: how do I say "the people of England" without "lumping you all together"? Are you saying there's no acceptable way of doing it, and if so, isn't that frankly a bit nuts?
— James Kelly (@JamesKelly) December 31, 2020
Here’s my point: It isn’t the English who oppress, dictate to or rule Scotland. The English are as diverse as the Scots and do not consider Scots to be ‘other’ to us - in fact many of us northerners see more in common with Scotland than the south. I certainly do.
— Tim Farron (@timfarron) December 31, 2020
That's a point that should have been made to someone who actually said that the English oppressed Scotland. Having said that, I believe it is Lib Dem policy to deny Scotland a choice on its own future, regardless of how we vote. On what planet is that not "dictatorial"?
— James Kelly (@JamesKelly) December 31, 2020
Britnat desperation getting more ridiculous by the day. A good sign.
ReplyDeleteGeorgia elected a Black Senator. Well that appears to be change for the better. One thing that will never change is that the English will always vote for the corrupt Tory Party or for corrupt war criminals like Blair. Why isn't David Steel behind bars?
ReplyDeleteLib Dems, even more in a constitutional mess than Labour.
ReplyDeleteLib Dems, even more in a constitutional mess than Labour.
ReplyDeleteTim Farron the British Nationalist who doesn't realise he is a British Nationalist.
ReplyDeleteOf course England has oppressed Scotland. That was and still is the whole point of the Treaty of Union 1707. It was designed to be an English dictatorship in 1707 and has remained so ever since. Brexit has just highlighted this fact to a lot more people.
The English are as diverse as the Scots and do not consider Scots to be ‘other’ to us
ReplyDeleteUnlike my French wife, who is considered an 'other'? What is it that the Scots and English share that the e.g. French, Germans...Dutch...Danish... don't? Is it some sort of genetic blood and soil thing?
I've voted twice to be in union with England; once in 2014 and again in 2016. I think it would be great if they rejoin the EEA/EU union with Scotland and the other European nations. They don't seem to want that though. You have to deep down be a Scot hater to blame the scots for that somehow.
So Mr Farron says he is more British than English .
ReplyDeleteWill he still say that when Scotland is independent ?
We will see
I doubt it
He still didn’t answer your question which is what do you call the people of England if you can’t call them the people of England ?
I think what Mr Farron wants is for us to call the people of England the people of Britain
He is basically doing the britnat thing saying we are all British first and something else after that
Mr Farron wants to delete our real nationality and replace it with British British nationalists like that idea because they see U.K. , Britain , England as the same thing
Johnson and his unionists should not act like Trump, but respect Scottish democracy.
ReplyDeleteThe Trump chaos is what happens when people pledge allegiance/loyalty to an individual politician and not their country.
ReplyDeleteAye. Too true.
DeleteUnionists continue to make this mistake; hence the relentless 'Salmond this!' and 'Sturgeon that!' while all the time Scotland slips from their grip.
Leaders don't hold the nation's future in their hands. The people do. Something Trump is learning right now.
What are you talking about. Pledging allegiance to your country. If Scotland ever became a country you had to pledge allegiance to you can shove it where the sun doesn't shine.
DeleteThis is the one area in which Scotland is indeed "too wee". The people of Scotland are too few to be able to reform the U.K. and our representation is set to became even less.
ReplyDeleteAt least we now know that it is perfectly ok for people to comment on politicians /politics of a country they do not live/vote in. For example someone from southern England can say that Nicola Sturgeon’s period as First Minster is a dark period in Scotland’s history if they want. They can of course make these points on any medium they want such as Twitter, television etc. I know that this has been a matter of debate on here so glad it’s cleared up now.
ReplyDeleteI note that James makes clear in the header that this is a 'Scottish' blog. Ergo, if someone is coming to it from outside Scotland, they are in effect a guest in someone else's house and so should probably act like that. If it said e.g. 'voted one the UK's top blogs on Scottish politics' it would be different.
DeleteIf I go to someone else's house and haughtily tell them how they should run it while calling them 'c**ts', I imagine it may cause offence. But then I wouldn't do that because I'm not a rude wanker. You really need to have an imperial type 'I know best' type mentality for that.
What happened in the USA is a lesson for British unionists on what happens if you try to block democratic self determination; very quickly violence follows.
ReplyDeleteDemocracy is what ensures peace; try to block it and you will have blood on your hands very quickly. As night follows day that is what happens. If you try to block or overturn democracy, you will need to send in the jackboots to do it, but don't expect the people to let you walk over them.
Unionists should respect the wishes of the peoples of the UK as peacefully expressed at the ballot box.
Mark Hirst acquitted. No case to answer. More evidence of malicious prosecutions?
ReplyDeleteHow long before a VONC in the Lord Advocate? Not soon enough is my opinion.
Only an Englishman could say he is a 'northerner' when, from a British perspective, he is most definitely a mid-lander if not a southerner.
ReplyDeleteI remember when I was young, a family from the south of England were staying in the holiday flat my grandparents rented out in their former farmhouse in the Highlands.
DeleteI was chopping logs and we started a conversation. They asked me if I lived in the village and I said 'No, I stay down south now'. 'Oh us too, where about?' they asked, and I replied, completely innocently 'Near Edinburgh' to very puzzled faces.
'This [English] brexit deal will be great for Northern Ireland!'.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/brexit/empty-shelves-supermarkets-stock-is-delayed-post-brexit-39940294.html
Empty shelves: Supermarket's stock is delayed post-Brexit
...After so long away from the shops, I was totally shocked at the empty shelves and I initially put it down to panic buying in response to the latest lockdown. However, I was reliably informed by staff that lorry loads of stock have been held up as a result of the new paperwork required after Brexit.
'This [English] brexit deal will be great for Scottish fisherman!'
ReplyDeletehttps://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-scotland-fishing-exclusive/exclusive-its-a-catastrophe-scottish-fishermen-halt-exports-due-to-brexit-red-tape-idUSKBN29D0U0
Scottish fishermen halt EU exports over Brexit delays
LONDON (Reuters) -Many Scottish fishermen have halted exports to European Union markets after post-Brexit bureaucracy added days to their delivery times and hundreds of pounds to the costs of each load.
Fishing exporters have told Reuters their businesses could become unviable after the introduction of health certificates, customs declarations and other paperwork.
As predicted Scotland's fish exporters are already suffering because of britnat brexit. This is not, as britnats would say, a price worth paying, this is a disgrace.
ReplyDeleteIndependence is the only answer.
English is just a dogwhistle for Westminster.
ReplyDeleteEngland. The only country in the Union that didn't lose its independence.
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