This is silly. There's no need for a by-election, let alone £10,000 to pay for a by-election. The leadership should chill out, allow Joanna Cherry to switch to Holyrood if she's selected, and let her dual mandate run until 2024. What are they afraid of?https://t.co/uddtEEOpIT
— James Kelly (@JamesKelly) July 30, 2020
Yes, although I presume she did so under pressure. Whoever's idea it was, it's crazy - the last thing the SNP need to be doing is defending a Westminster seat in non-traditional territory in an entirely avoidable by-election.
— James Kelly (@JamesKelly) July 30, 2020
The SNP's internal rules aren't my specialist subject, so does anyone know: are MPs still eligible to stand for leader, as they were in 2004? If so, the biggest irony would be if these silly wrecking tactics keep Joanna Cherry out of Holyrood, but she becomes leader anyway.
— James Kelly (@JamesKelly) July 30, 2020
I’ve read the rules and there is nothing that disbarred an MP from being leader as far as I can see
— Denise Findlay (@GraceBrodie) July 30, 2020
Maybe she will, maybe she won't. But if you're right that she has no chance, then clearly her critics should just chill out a bit and stop trying to throw artificial obstacles in her path.
— James Kelly (@JamesKelly) July 30, 2020
But there's no need for a by-election to be triggered. The fiction that there does need to be one appears, again, to simply be an artificial obstacle designed to thwart Joanna Cherry - and if the SNP end up losing a needless by-election, that's a stupid self-inflicted woumd.
— James Kelly (@JamesKelly) July 30, 2020
And what, pray, has any of this got to do with "challenging the FM"? Nothing. Literally nothing. It's inconceivable that Joanna Cherry would launch a hostile challlenge in that way. What this is really about is thwarting Ms Cherry if a vacancy happens to arise.
— James Kelly (@JamesKelly) July 30, 2020
I presume she said that under pressure from the people who were trying to thwart her, because it was a reversal of her earlier position. This is a very dangerous game and all sides could lose as a result. It would be far better just to let members decide in the normal way.
— James Kelly (@JamesKelly) July 30, 2020
Never try and play poker, Lloyd!
— James Kelly (@JamesKelly) July 30, 2020
No, it does not "trigger a by-election" - that's a fiction. Another option is to simply keep a dual mandate until the next Westminster election, and by far the most sensible and least destructive course would be for all sides to agree that's what should happen.
— James Kelly (@JamesKelly) July 30, 2020
I'm unconvinced that you're unaware that a dual mandate does not "trigger a by-election". Is it just a coincidence that all the people who are taking this line just happen to have a problem with Joanna Cherry? Doubtless you'll tell me it is. I'm unconvinced about that too.
— James Kelly (@JamesKelly) July 30, 2020
I don't agree with Joanna's views on SelfID, before all that cropped up I thought she would be a good natural success to Nicola
ReplyDeleteLet's hope the two don't emulate Tony and Gordon - as it won't end well
I think it's important that both sides of this particular debate are well represented in the parliamentary SNP.
DeleteIt will ensure issue is resolved sensibly, with good policy emerging. The strongest policy which best represents the public always comes through debate (often heated) which eventually leads to cross camp consensus/compromise.
It's probably against the rules but I bet if Joanna Cherry was to crowdfund for the £10.000 she'd achieve that amount in a couple of hours.
ReplyDeleteAs for dual positions.
ReplyDeleteAre people for real? Scots are not allowed by the English to hold senior cabinet positions, even if they are unionist. The PM has openly said live on TV that blacks should be barred from being PM. Sorry, Jews should be barred. Oops, no I mean Scots; him saying the former two would be scandalous, but 'scots are vermin', so that's fine.
Scots MPs might as well be fucking lepers for all the racists scot haters down in Westminster care.
I wouldn't give a shit if all our MPs were also MSPs and devoted their time to Hollyrood, just voting to disrupt that shithole in London whenever they could, remotely if possible. It's not as if Scots are allowed to make UK laws or something.
Gove is Scottish. Tony Blair is Scottish. Gordon Broon is Scottish. Skier would like to be Scottish that is why he is a sour puss.
DeleteBroon's Scottish. You are going to have to provide some evidence for the other two.
DeleteBut there can't be another Broon with EVEL; Boris has made that clear.
And I am 100% legally Scottish. I have the documents to prove it.
DeleteGove has no such documentation. Neither does Blair.
You said you were Irish have you converted. How do you know what documentation Gove and Blair have. Boris has as sense of humour which is severely lacking amongst Nat sis.
DeleteI'm a dual citizen. Scottish and Irish.
DeleteIf Gove and Blair are not registered to vote here, they are not legally Scottish.
Richard Leopard, North British Labour Branch office manager.
DeleteScottish or English?
That is a documentation scenario. You are either Scottish or not.
DeleteGove is a British Nationalist. Blair is a British Nationalist. Brown is a British Nationalist. GWC is Govan's finest wanking Champion and a part time Britnat turd.
Delete"That is a documentation scenario. You are either Scottish or not."
DeleteRichard Leopard =
Scottish or ('not'=)English?
Scottish Skier - I usually rate your comments but to say if you're not registered to vote in Scotland you're not Scottish??? "If Gove and Blair are not registered to vote here, they are not legally Scottish" Rubbish.
DeleteI am born and bred Scottish. To Scottish parents and they had Scottish parents etc going well back. I AM Scottish. I don't live in Scotland though. But I am, and always will be, Scottish. No one can take that away from me.
You may be Scottish in identity, but not legally.
DeleteOnly adults on the electoral roll in Scotland are Scottish citizens, legally.
There is no such thing as legal Scottish nationality. It does not exist and has so no definition.
For a Scottish nationality to exist, Scotland must be an independent, sovereign state, so able to confer that on people.
For now, only citizenship can be conferred by current legal residence and entitlement to vote in Scottish elections. This comes with other duties such as paying Scottish tax rates, jury services in the Scots courts etc.
If someone in your position supports Scottish independence, I think it’s fair to say they are of Scottish nationality, at least in their hearts. They can claim to be Scottish in as my wife is French.
If they oppose independence – ergo oppose a legal Scottish nationality existing – then they can’t claim to be a Scottish national. If someone says 'I'm French, the unionist must say 'I'm British', for that is the nationality / citizenship they support.
At most Scottish for unionists them is not a nationality, but a simply a Great British regional identity.
Ruth abandoned ship, and hot on her heels...
ReplyDeletehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-53601518
Jackson Carlaw quits as Scottish Conservative leader
Jackson Carlaw has resigned as the leader of the Scottish Conservatives after only six months in the job.
Mr Carlaw said he had come to the "painful conclusion" that he was not the best person to lead the case for Scotland remaining in the UK ahead of next year's Holyrood election.
Boris for PM!
DeleteBest PM ever. Totally trashing the UK.
Keeping Scotland afloat from collapse with massive injection of cash. He could end up being one of the best.
DeleteI'm sure Scots will be chuffed to get some of their own oil cash back. When's it coming?
DeleteIt is legally UK oil and revenue. It would be amusing if substantial amounts of oil was discovered near the Isle of Wight. I would say that Scots voting for independence does not hand the oil revenues over to Scotland. The present owner the UK is still historically the legal owner.
DeleteYou think the English are too lazy to live without Scots oil revenues?
DeleteDo not have any evidence to suggest they are or not.
DeleteSo you admit they could be.
DeleteNo. I think the case of Cherry in which she could earn two salaries proves my point that we have far too many politicians hinging aboot doing SWA.
DeleteThis just seems to be another obstacle being presented by nefarious actors who are against Indy be it MI5 or pals of GWC.
DeleteWe gave you indy on a plate and you blew it. We still have to subsidise you junky Scottish. You jist cannae break free.
Delete'Subsidy junkie British'
DeleteThe Scots voted 'Yes'. The Brits 'naw'.
Kinda obviously.
Grumpy Wittering Cringer, so you think that Scottish oil is "historically owned" by England? It's worthless, quoth you previously straight out of the BritNat script book, but now you would willingly cede it - in thought at least - to England in perpetuity. What a self-abasing Uriah Heap. A shameless traitorous plunker. Well, it ain't gonna happen. No precept in international law.
DeleteAs for pulling two salaries, I didn't ever see you object to Prof "Two Jobs" Tomkins, hypocrite. Just like Carless, he can clearly see that the game's up. It's merely a question of time.
This independence game is all topsy-turvy. The captains are first to abandon ship, while the rats like you are clinging to the railings to the bitter end!
Glug, glug...
"Wooly [sic] Plunker", who exactly are "we" and "you" here? You write in Scottish demotic, so you seem to be very confused and identity dislocated. (Not rare among the thankfully miniscule if vociferous rabid BritNat zoomer community, alas.) Something to do with Stockholm Syndrome, I expect.
DeleteBut then, Mr Bountiful, maybe you are the one to finally explain why "we" are so archetypically bitterly unhappy to have to expend precious funds upon "you" Scottish ingrates, while simultaneously so very desperately, desperately anxious to hang on to "you" Scottish would-be escapees...?
(No? Well, that would be no surprise. Mental gymnastics are really not the forte of the seriously confused, are they?)
Why does a party with 125,000 members need to fine its own MP's for switching to the Scottish Parliament?
ReplyDeleteSitting in Westminster when Johnson has a majority of 80 is a waste of considerable talent on the SNP benches.
Nae surprise a few are getting homesick for the rammy that will surely come next May.
As for Carlaw - was he pushed or was he shoved.
Seems Ross Thompson is already strapping on his parachute as we speak.
I think he was CarJack'd...😂
DeleteThe only way to get independence in Scotland is to attack the Unionist Protestant community with extreme violence.
ReplyDeleteHi Mairi-GWC, another of your ever-expanding multiple personalities, all of which are seemingly plagued by groundless anxieties concerning Ireland of all places, some with a very dark undertone. Since that is none of our business or concern, there is nothing we can do for you here, alas. Even if you were well. Get help.
DeleteWell done Comrade grizebard. Keep them Unionists off guard. With affection.
DeleteThe Jacobites are definately trying to replace Scottish freedom in the form of grizebard and cohorts.
ReplyDeleteDid not Alex Salmond hold the dual role of MP and MSP? I remember him giving his MSP salary to charity.
ReplyDeleteWhy is it a problem now?
The problem is that it must be a cushy number if you can do both jobs in a 35 hr week. The hard working taxpayer pays their salaries. The Tartan Tories are scatter cash like the rest.
DeleteHow can you do a job as an MP if the English bar you from being in government?
DeleteScottish people can be im the UK Government and have been many times. What are you blethering about?
DeleteHonestly?
ReplyDeleteTo be an MP (and the salary it brings) is a genuine privilege. For any fair and decent person that should be be self-evident.
If Cherry genuinely wanted to be in Holyrood as opposed to Westminster then she had an opportunity to it stand in 2019. But she didn’t, and you have to question her values and self-interest.
But she’s supposed to representing her constituents, and in turn bringing the argument to her Home Office brief. When do you ever see her making headlines for blows landed against the Tories?
I think Cherry should be focusing her fire on Priti Patel rather than game planning routes of her own career.
"To be an MP is a genuine privilege."
DeleteIf you are a unionist.
I think being selected by your local electorate to represent them is a huge privilege wether you support the institution they are being elected to or not
DeleteDon't let the poisonous idiot GWC (et al) distract from the main point here.
ReplyDeleteIt's striking how bitterly factionalised the very small group of tories at Holyrood is. A sign of chronic weakness and fear at the prospect of next May's election for which their polling is giving them beautifully shite numbers.
Our priorities are to maximise the indy vote in difficult circumstances and loudly emphasise the clashes between the tories so helping them to bite and claw at eachother even more effectively.
It's easy to get disgusted and angry about GWC. He is an ignorant and irrelevant tosser. Smack him once each time he vomits onto this site then ignore him.Don't engage - move on.
I find the sudden departure of Carlaw's a wee bit strange. I think he was pushed. Pushed out by London according to one of their MSP's.
DeleteCarlaw getting pushed out might give rising star Annie Wells a shot at "leadership".
DeleteWill Johnson be the next deadbeat to get the heave from those who really count in the Tory outfit.
Rev Angry is on the diazedoodahs so that he can cope with his nat si rival bloggers. But Young James and Skier will soon be oan the jellies.
ReplyDeleteShut your GWC trap. I AM GETTING ANGRY.
ReplyDeleteGavin Barrie will eat Young James's lunch like The Linesman did with Carlaw
ReplyDeleteSkier should have his own democracy on North Channel Island. If he starts beating himself up then we could allow him in on a special visa. But he must make an economic contribution.
ReplyDeleteCan a unionist kindly confirm all the Scots MPs in the cabinet and shadow cabinet thanks.
ReplyDeleteI'm assuming it's ~8.4% of both.
new tactics from the Tories, a leader that sits at Westminster, he's then allowed free time on the BBC to bullshit Scotland, meanwhile at Holyrood a selection of 2nd rate duffers will be put up for FMQs.
ReplyDeleteThe Union is gey important to Tories in Scotland. How else could they get a Tory Govt if Scotland was independent?
ReplyDeleteTory self interest dressed up as British unity.
BTW, Keith Brown needs to up his game.
How low key was his response to Douglas Ross punting himself for the Tory branch office job. Get angry Keith!
Question, will Douglas Ross just stand for the Moray seat or will he be on the list too? and what's the betting he'll get an easy ride from Leonard and Rennie.