Wednesday, July 1, 2020

Scottish Tory MP Andrew Bowie has made the most despicable comment of the pandemic - and lives may be lost as a result

Whatever the stereotypes about 'Cybernats', there can be very few independence supporters who truly think that border restrictions with England would be some sort of optimal outcome.  An infinitely preferable way to keep the public safe would have been for the whole UK to follow the careful path that Nicola Sturgeon has charted, and for the number of infections to be uniformly low across all four nations.  Trying to stop imported cases from a neighbouring country, where the virus is being allowed to circulate at a higher level, can only be a poor second-best.  It's bound to be somewhat less effective, and it curtails all of our freedoms in an undesirable way.

But our leaders have to deal with the situation as it actually is, and not as we would like it to be.  Countries all over the world have grappled for months with the problem of differential infection rates in different territories, and border controls have often proved to be an important tool in preventing the virus from spreading from a hotspot to a lower-intensity area.  It's got nothing to do with politics, or ideology, or nationalism, or racism, or chauvinism.  It's purely a question of public health.

In that context, a comment made two days ago by Scottish Tory MP Andrew Bowie about the mere possibility of restrictions at the Scotland/England border was close to being unforgivable.

"We are one nation. Scottish, English, Welsh, Northern Irish. We are in this together. Please stop this divisive, nasty talk of closing borders to 'others'."

He knew that was profoundly dishonest on multiple counts when he said it.  The use of the word 'others' in inverted commas falsely implied that border restrictions would be motivated by prejudice based on nationality or ethnicity.  In reality, the rules would apply to anyone crossing the border regardless of who they are - there would be no discrimination between Scottish people returning home and English people coming up for a visit.  The freedoms of English people already in Scotland would be totally unaffected.  Bowie is also well aware that the whole idea of asking travellers from England to quarantine is not something the SNP leadership would be instinctively keen on doing, precisely because they'd want to avoid hysterical suspicions in certain quarters about their motives.  The fact that they're even considering it suggests that government advisers must be sending a very clear message that it may be necessary to save lives.

Bowie therefore had a choice.  He could make it easier for the Scottish Government to save lives by assuming their good faith, or he could make it harder.  He chose the latter course.  Make no mistake - by saying what he did, it's not totally inconceivable that he may have prevented a vitally important public health measure from being implemented, and that people will die as a result.  SNP politicians are human, and once the suggestion that a health intervention is xenophobic becomes normalised as part of political discourse, it does become psychologically more difficult for them to act.  I truly hope they find the courage to completely set aside the disgraceful antics of their opponents and to take whatever steps are warranted by the scientific evidence.

Incidentally, it was pointed out on social media that the border has previously been closed since Scotland became part of the UK.  It happened in 1950, to be exact, when the police were trying to recover the Stone of Destiny so it could be returned to Westminster Abbey.  Odd how it's perfectly OK to compromise the sacred indivisibility of Our Precious Union in order to locate a symbol of subjugation, but it's apparently not OK to do it to keep thousands of people alive.  British Nationalism 1, People 0. 









161 comments:

  1. This latest tweet from Andrew Bowie MP helps us understand why the London govt considered Mr Bowie unfit to replace Douglas Ross at the Scottish Office. To be unpromotable at that low level must be disappointing to Mr Bowie.

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    1. Anndra Buidhe is however a strong performer in TV/Radio interviews and debates and usually bests whatever weak interviewer is put up against him. He is quite lucid in a nasty kind of way that probably appeals to anyone who likes Carlaw.

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    2. Well, unionists are seldom 'put up against' interviewers - they are allowed to present their case at length, aren't they?

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    3. Just heard him doubling down on PMQs at Westminster basically accusing Nicola of destroying the Scottish Tourism Industry by suggesting controls on people coming from England. The evil self-satisfied smirk on his face as the camera panned to him as Johnson bellowed 'my honourable friend knows that there is no border between Scotland and England' was quite sickening.
      I never cease to be amazed at people voting for someone like this but as I said he is talented in his own twisted way

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    4. He looked like nothing more than a school prefect thrilled to have been noticed by the deputy head

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    5. ScottytheScotinScotlandJuly 1, 2020 at 10:11 PM

      Iain - sadly that is what grovelling Britnats are all about - Johnson like a master showing approval of his dogs actions - Bowie excitedly wags his tail. Pretty sure he used to make the tea for the Maybot like a good doggy.

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  2. This motivated me to look at some of Bowie's previous words of wisdom. Pretty clear that he's not very bright.
    I find it reassuring that the tories in Scotland have so little decent human material to work with that blanks like Bowie get into leading positions.
    A very old thought but enables a warm little smile nonetheless.

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    1. Kyprianou Fleder-MinsieJuly 4, 2020 at 11:21 AM

      Some people have started calling me the Sombrero Jap. I would like to offer 10 of your pounds to the first of your readers correctly to divine why. "He hides behind a moon." But now I have given you a fine clue.

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  3. Panelbase poll on the go.
    Q's on voting intentions for Holyrood and Westminster. Indy question using 2014 wording, and possible rejoining EU voting. Question on voting for new list party if it was lad by a certain Mr. Salmond. Question also on self id.
    Juteman

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    1. Yes, I mentioned that on the previous post. The "Scottish Government's definition of a woman" question has Wings written all over it, as do one or two of the other questions, but there are also questions about lawyers that don't seem very Wings-like. So it might be a multi-client survey.

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    2. I wrote a post and screencaptured the last question which had the "new party or Campbell" definitely stamping their mark on it. Obviously they were curious if Nicola would be booted out that is why I stand by my mistrust of this new party, its not just list seats they want IMO, it is SNP seats too, especially Nicola's. I do NOT trust this new party so my vote will be SNP 1 & 2 and for others who are not SNP but want Indy should do what they usually do, vote SNP 1 and ScotGreens 2. A 3 way split of Indy voters to me is a bad omen of letting a Coalition of Unionist parties in power.

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  4. So proud to have Andrew Bowie as my MP. (NOT!)

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  5. Scotland also closed its border with England in the mid 17th century, and thus prevented the spread of The Great Plague of 1665-67 to Scotland. Interesting, eh? I'd always assumed the Great Plague was UK wide. Apparently not!

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  6. It is always strange to find individuals so disconnected with the country and community which nurtured them, but you tend to find one or a combination of two typical reasons. One is the early acquisition of some sort of sense of isolation, of being different, of resentment, perhaps originating in or enhanced by bullying. The other, is also a sense of being different, but it is an attitude of superiority, a rejection of one's community, a desire for wealth and honours and self-aggrandisement. I tend to think that it is the former with Bowie, but of course he'll take whatever comes his way as well.

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  7. "first time in 400 years" - interestingly, this seems to refer to the plague of 1665-7, when the Scottish Privy Council banned trade completely with England and Netherlands for a while, thereafter easing to a 40-day quarantine. Violating this was apparently punishable by death(granted, death as a sentence was far too common in these days).

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  8. Independence for ScotlandJuly 1, 2020 at 12:37 PM

    Scotland Office Questions Today - House of Commons

    It has been a long time since I watched this farce but I have to say it has got worse.

    1. A Tory Ian Murray as the shadow Secretary of State for Scotland working with blue Tory Secretary of state for Scotland slagging off Scotland, the SNP and the Scotgov.

    2. Most questions were from English MPs and of course an MP from Milton Keynes in England as a Scotland office minister for the blue Tories.

    3. Sorry to say Mhairhi Black was ineffective.

    4. Best part was the SNP MP from Gordon pointing out that they are budgeting to spend as much on refurbishing the Palace of Westminster building as Johnson has announced for regenerating the whole of the UK.

    5. All through this Scottish hatefest Andrew Bowie sat on the bench laughing and smirking.

    6. The Tories , Alister ( Union )Jack - managed to say that the UK gives Scotland billions of extra money all the time, but Scotland has a massive annual deficit and no you cannot get any borrowing powers. Total nonsense of course that only Britnats and idiots would believe is possible.

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  9. The Nat sis have done their best to politicise the Covid 19 to gain some sort of advantage. However it is the health experts and the NHS who have fought this battle. Knickerless does have the gift of the gab and may fool many as if she is in charge. All she has done is parrot Boris a few days or a week after his announcements.

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    1. Another desperate fascist yoon , lying just like your buffoon leader tut tut. Your empire is dead and morally and almost financially bankrupt, a laughing stock all over the world ! Slither back under your stone.

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  10. Independence for ScotlandJuly 1, 2020 at 1:02 PM

    Britnats causing unnecessary Scottish deaths is nothing new since 1707. The only things that differ are the means and reasons.

    Clearances for profits. Murderous ethnic cleansing. Poverty deaths. Illegal wars and Scottish soldiers in the British army. Now a pandemic.

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    1. Since the 8th of February 1587 at least!

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    2. Independence for ScotlandJuly 1, 2020 at 4:11 PM

      Anonymous - Mary queen of Scots I presume. Now I said Britnats so not sure your comment is accurate. If you mean English then it would go a lot further back than that.

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    3. Britain = England for many south of the border anyway

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    4. Independence for ScotlandJuly 1, 2020 at 10:06 PM

      Anonymous - 8.23pm - fair point.

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  11. James, have a look at this on Pete Wshart:
    https://www.thecanary.co/uk/news/2020/07/01/snp-could-withdraw-from-commons-over-indyref2-consent-mp-warns/

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  12. Independence for ScotlandJuly 1, 2020 at 1:25 PM

    Johnson lies again at PMQs by saying there is no border between England and Scotland.

    Funny how Blair and Donald Dewar took the position of the land border and then agreed to change the sea border from a horizontal line to a new line pointing northwards at an acute angle. Of course the Tories are always banging on about Borderland deals.

    No border - Like Trump Johnson is a pathological liar.

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    1. Trump is an honest Christian type who got his values from his Scottish mother.

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    2. Since you regard the EU as "German run" I assume that you are a baby-boomer, born in the 1950's-60's, who still cannot separate the EU from Germany due to the shadow of WW2?

      Such an attitude speaks volumes about your grasp of 21st century political realities. But, I suppose it was hard growing-up with war stories from your parents and ending-up feeling:

      "They got to experience all that, and I never will...... It's so unfair!"

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    3. I can separate Europe from the EU happily. You nat sis love corruption.

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    4. I'm confused. If there's no border, does that mean England is already free of prescription charges and university fees? They must be ecstatic. And, what was it that was closed after the Stone of Destiny was brought back from London in the 1950s?

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  13. Speaking as an ex Scottish Tory canvasser (in Alister Jack's and Finlay Carson's seats) and now an ex Unionist supporter, I can honestly tell you that Bowie, Carlaw and the rest of the Scottish Tories have been scared to death of a 2nd Independence referendum since 2015. Bowie's Tweet will reflect that fear because it is really about next May's Scottish Parliament election. If the Tories and Labour lose only 5 seats between them then the SNP will have a majority, leaving the Scottish Tories entirely dependent on Boris Johnson refusing to grant a Section 30 order to hold off a 2nd Independence referendum, which they fear that the pro-UK side will lose. That fear was expressed to me in 2015 by none other than the late Alex Ferguson, Carson's predecessor as Tory MSP for Galloway and West Dumfries and a former Presiding Officer of the Scottish Parliament. After his dumping of the DUP last October, I strongly suspect that the Scottish Tories are now afraid that Johnson, who does not need their 6 votes to hold his massive Commons majority, and with a growing desire for English Independence showing in polls of the Tory Party's aging English membership, might just throw them under the bus by granting a Section 30 order, leaving them to the mercy of a re-booted Yes campaign....

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    1. While on paper he was an old-Etonian Tory, the late Alex Fergusson did stand out in his ranks as being able to talk candidly.

      Being from your neck of the woods (and thinking ahead to when the next referendum comes) I'm curious, what is it that made you stop supporting the union?

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    2. Brexit and the morphing of the Conservative & Unionist Party into the English National Party. I support neither.

      Also, England is finally entering the last stage of its Imperial decline, where it discovers that, with WW2 and the British Empire now long ago, it is now just a small country struggling to comprehend what that means for it. That change will take at least 15-20 years to happen, mainly because the Tory & Brexit core voters were born in the 1950's-60's, in the shadow of WW2, and who many of whom either cannot understand or even deny that this change has even taken place, will take that long to pass away. As the UK will almost certainly become weaker and poorer as it gets bullied by virtually every larger country/bloc that it negotiates trade deals with, Scotland has to choose between being bullied by England in the UK union, or following the path of Ireland by becoming a valued member of the EU.

      I would much prefer the latter over the former.

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    3. Alex Fergusson was actually well liked in Galloway by unionists and nationalists, he was never a smirking BritNat type like Anndra Buidhe. He was rather an establishment figure though. Fionnlaigh O'Crossain is much less respected I'd say. There is a large Tory vote however, lots of the area is a retirement home for those seeking bargain property prices.

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    4. Thanks for sharing that in such detail Unknown. Hopefully you're not alone in that thinking.

      @Am Braghadanach, in terms of representing Gallowa in parliament Finlay is redundant, Emma Harper is head and shoulders above him in doing that

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    5. ScottytheScotinScotlandJuly 1, 2020 at 10:28 PM

      Unknown - 4.44pm. Your logical analysis is very accurate. I tend to say we are living through the dirty fag end of the British Empire. The sooner it is stamped out and brought to a close the better. Smoking kills just like the British Empire did.

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  14. I thought the SNP were in league with the unionists. Is the whole border thing like a double bluff?

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    1. Independence for ScotlandJuly 1, 2020 at 4:02 PM

      Silly silly comment that undermines your credibility.

      It was a set up by the Britnat press who first raised the matter at the FMs daily coronavirus briefing and Sturgeon quite rightly said, as she has always said, she does not rule out anything that may be required to save lives as she does not know the future. The media and politicians then ramped this up as Sturgeon threatens to close border. I smell Cummings and collusion between the supposed free press and the Tory party.

      The SNP is full of genuine independence supporters it is not their fault that entryism of some Britnats has taken place along with others who push their own weird agendas whilst not caring one way or another about independence. What was it the woman at the Salmond trial said - " I am a soft yes supporter".

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    2. I thought the court found Salmond innocent on all charges?

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    3. Independence for ScotlandJuly 1, 2020 at 9:50 PM

      Anonymous -5.14pm - as recorded in Salmonds trial one of the complainants in Salmonds trial was refused a candidacy as well.

      So the entryists stated they were supporters of independence that makes everything ok does it. Anonymous - it seems to be something that you are unaware of - people lie and particularly Britnats who have a strong tendency to do so.

      So Salmond was innocent but also guilty - I would not like to be on a jury with you - total nonsense. The alphabet women lied - people lying seems to be a concept you have difficulty with but someone can be innocent and guilty at the same time you have no problem with. Britnats have no problem lying. You seem to have a greater problem with Salmond being found innocent but it concerns you not at all about the lies of the alphabet women. Is your name really McCann.

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  15. So, it's ok for the English government / councils to impose local border related controls (e.g. Leicester), but Scots/Welsh/N. Irish governments can't?

    That's British English anti-Scots/Welsh/N. Irish racism for you.

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    1. Dumfries and Galloway are relatively Covid free. The so called border people do not want movement stopped it is only the Jocko fascists. You are the type of people that Adolf recruited.

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    2. And you are repetitive,idiot fantasist.

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    3. The breakout in Dumfries and Galloway was as a result of a family gathering from England crossing the border to join more family in Scotland, public health England have been informed by Scottish track and trace to complete the tracing there

      I fffff live there GWC and it's full of English British Nationalists just like you Scottish British Nationalists who think they own Scotland and don't have to abide by the same rules as the rest of us to keep our families alive

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    4. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-53248166

      Coronavirus: Cross-border 'cluster' of virus cases investigated

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    5. I wonder what the family's excuse was?

      'Well, that Cummings bloke did it!'

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    6. The breakout in Dumfries and Galloway was as a result of a family gathering from England crossing the border to join more family in Scotland

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      Have you evidence of this please.

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    7. Does the direction matter?

      Either way it shows the danger of an open border with no controls / monitoring.

      Controls at Gretna could make as much sense as the Leicester lockdown. It's just racist Scottish haters that think Scotland shouldn't be allowed to protect its people like the English can.

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    8. Not sure what on earth you are on about.

      I said 'could' make sense. That's what the Scottish government said, which is what started all this howling from nutcase unionists like Johnson.

      How is a local quarantine/lockdown rule for a region of the UK not the same as a local quarantine/lockdown rule for another region of the UK? It's racist Scottish hating to say you can put local rules in place in the UK as long as the rules are not for Scotland.

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    9. Everybody in Annan knows who they are, it's not a very big place

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    10. But England is quarantining people arriving from other countries, why can't Scotland? This can only be racism to suggest we can do that for 'furriners', but not for English/Welsh/N. Irish arrivals as they are somehow special and not capable of spreading disease.

      It's not as if a border quarantine for Scotland would be just applying to English people. It would apply to any nationality trying to enter Scotland from the rUK, including Scots. It's only racists that somehow imagine it's about the English because they think the English are special.

      And what exactly is different about asking a specific group of people to remain confined to their residence (folk living in Leicester) for a specific period of time (until lockdown ends) and asking a another group of people to remain confined (folk arriving in England from overseas) for a specific period of time (quarantine)?

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    11. Both quarantine and lockdown are based on regional groupings and unrelated to nationality. There is no difference between them; you are just locking down a group of people based on where they are or where they came from because that place has a high infection rate.

      There is zero difference.

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  16. At first I thought that this "David Halliday" character quoted above was sarcastically tweeting tongue-in-cheek, but given the mental distortions being increasingly demonstrated by panicking BritNats such as Bowie the Toady, I'm now seriously beginning to wonder...

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  17. Expanding on my earlier comments I will put Andrew Bowie's Tweet into its real political context.

    The Scottish Tories, frightened of a 2nd Independence referendum since the massive SNP landslide election win in 2015, are now in a perilous position, for these key reasons:

    1) Put brutally, Boris Johnson does NOT need them. They are only 6 Tory MP's in an 87 MP strong Tory WM majority. Unlike in May's time as PM, Johnson would barely notice if they all rebelled against the Tory whip to oppose his government in a Commons vote. This brings a dangerous risk if he decided to allow a 2nd Independence referendum, as the legislation for it would probably pass the Commons whether they voted against it or not.

    2) They are now in a similar position to the DUP, where the risks of Scotland feeling more and more different from the rest of the UK during the Coronavirus crisis could lead to more and more Scots deciding that it is different. This is the risk that the DUP were so scared of when the post-Brexit customs/regulatory border in the Irish Sea was proposed, that it will lead to more and more Northern Ireland residents feeling more Irish than British, potentially tipping the political mood there towards a United Ireland. If more and more Scots start to feel that Scotland is different to the UK in the way it is run, then it could increase support for independence from the UK. If Holyrood, to protect us from Coronavirus transmission across the border, is forced to require all cross border travellers to quarantine themselves then it is a major step towards treating them as actual foreign citizens, and to the Border becoming much more visible. This would majorly increase the feeling that Scotland is different to the rest of the UK, with all the risks that could bring for the Tories.

    3) They are scared to death of an SNP Holyrood majority next year, as this would leave them totally reliant on Boris Johnson continuing to say no to a referendum that they could easily lose. Given his record of breaking promises to others, if they conflict with his own interests or ambitions, would you want to trust him on that? His tossing the DUP under the bus last October by agreeing to an Irish Sea border, something he'd opposed while in May's Cabinet, and which will almost certainly put the Union with Northern Ireland at risk long-term, must be foremost in their minds.... This ties in with Point 1) above.

    4) They will have to attack the SNP during next May's election campaign while, at the same time, trying to avoid being attacked over Boris Johnson's failures as PM. Brexit, Dominic Cummings (his 'one rule for us, and another rule for you' trip to Durham will surely come-up), and his appalling mismanagement of the Coronavirus crisis, which has led to tens of thousands of avoidable deaths, are all topics which the SNP will use against the Tories, and by extension, the Union. It is not hard to imagine what will happen to Jackson Carlaw when he goes up against Nicola Sturgeon in the TV Debates. If I were him, I'd be squirming with discomfort even now.... Johnson will be no asset to the Tories next May, but he will be an asset to a re-booted Yes campaign. 'Vote No = Get Boris" would make a good slogan.

    Put all this together, and it is no surprise that Bowie tweeted what he did, and it likely won't be the last time.

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  18. It's richly ironic really that the one "black swan event" to assail us was one which by pure chance happens to involve the one singular aspect of the UK's ramshackle constitutional shambles where the Scottish Government has unquestionable supremacy: health. So while BoJo and his little online goblins may bluster "there is no border", Nicola simply has to point out - as she did in the daily briefing today - that she has the power (cue that 90's dance hit by Snap!) and she's not afraid to use it to protect the people of Scotland. As is her due, and duty.

    That is what has blindsided the BritNats, who initially arrogantly assumed that this crisis would bring everyone back into the UK fold, only to be increasingly confounded and dismayed by how this effective demonstration of Scottish capability is being observed by a thankful nation.

    This might just be the clincher for independence, and it is clearly unnerving the BritNat wannabe indy deniers badly.

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    1. Knickerless has certainly protected the working class people of Glasgow from premature death. Labour had a terrible record. Living an additional two months on hard drugs is down to knickerless.

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    2. Govan young team.July 2, 2020 at 7:31 AM

      @ GWC

      Yer no wrang GWC. The labour "vichy" council who ingloriously reigned over our city for decades had the ordinary glaswegians life expectancy down to the lowest in the western world.

      Everywhere tht labour mob get in power , they drag down to the sewer.

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  19. I'm astonished that Boris timed his astonishment at the idea of covid border controls at Gretna to coincide with the major cross-border outbreak there.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-53252930

    It's like his super forecaster didn't see that cumming. Again.

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    1. Skier if you are astonished then I am astonished. We need tae keep the English oot ae Scotland. They are mainly atheists and not like us Catholics who know the truth.

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    2. Watched the ScotGov daily briefing after work tonight and was genuinely astounded again about how on top of the situation they are (particularly on Gretna/Annan/Cumbria cluster). Clearly upped their game after the BBC's Nike concoction.

      What's so pitiful about the UK is that you know Boris can't handle or communicate that level of detail responsibly, and neither can his health secretary, but its also missing from Keir Starmer, who just flops around the issue like a fish.

      England is killing well over a hundred people each day, and accountability for that? Zero.

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  20. Given the PM's own top team are known to drive 400 km north when infected with covid, would it really be 'shameful' to protect Scots against that?

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  21. Border controls to protect English folk from covid = 'the right thing to do'.

    Border controls to protect Scots from covid = 'shameful'.

    That's the UK for you; a deep seated racist hatred for Scots.

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  22. And why is Boris trying to break up the UK by suggesting the border between British Northumberlandshire and Great British Berwickshire is somehow different to the that between Best of British Leicestershire and Britannia's finest Nottinghamshire?

    Truly shameful.

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    1. Boris not actually saying that, it is you and your warped Nat si mind.

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    2. What on earth are you rabbiting oan about.

      Sturgeon explained her common sense approach on this - which you note - while nutjob butcher boris just talked the same shite that he has already killed 10's of thousands with across the UK.

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    3. Independence for ScotlandJuly 2, 2020 at 1:11 AM

      Skier - " .... nutjob butcher Boris just talked the same shite that he has already killed 10's of thousands with across the UK." You got that comment spot on.

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    4. Hey I thought it wis Covid 19 that massacred our old folk in the Scottish care homes. So is wis Boris trying to save on pensions.

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    5. Anon - You need to provide evidence for your accusations. You say 'lots of nats are saying xyz' but don't provide any evidence this is the case. If you are quoting unknown randoms on the internet, then you really need to get out more. It would only be of note if Scottish government folks were saying it, prominent elected reps etc.

      Personally, I think the Scottish government should just follow expert advice on the matter. I'm not racist like the English/British government who freaked out at the idea of the Scottish government just doing what the former are already doing; i.e. quarantining arrivals to England from selected countries with high infection rates.

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  23. ScottytheScotinScotlandJuly 1, 2020 at 10:21 PM

    Anonymous - "putting up a border" - there already is one.

    " .., according to many nationalists. .....". Are these Welsh, Irish, English, Scottish or British Nationalists or a combination you refer to. Not a very clear comment but I think I do know what type of Nationalist you are.

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    1. The UK isn't a union though. It's a unitary state dominated by one large, aggressive people / region that you are not allowed to leave.

      It's not comparable to the EU which is actually a union of sovereign states where you have the freedom to come and go. If I try to keep my wife locked in the cellar when she says she's leaving me, that's not a union. Unions are by consent.

      If section 30s were automatically given on request, then I suppose we could call the uk a union.

      Will you be voting for the big 27+ union in Iref2 or are you less of a unionist than I am?

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    2. Dosn't matter what you think.
      Unionism in the United Kingdom, also referred to as British unionism, is a political ideology favouring the continued unity of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland as one sovereign state, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Those who support the union are referred to as "Unionists

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unionism_in_the_United_Kingdom#:~:text=Unionism%20in%20the%20United%20Kingdom%2C%20also%20referred%20to%20as%20British,referred%20to%20as%20%22Unionists%22.

      Therfore I am a unionist and as stated also support the EU Union.

      Indyref2 has nothing to do with the rejoining the EU. A independent Scotland may decide not to rejoin the EU or it may decide just to join EFTA. THat would be a decision for the people to make post indy. Its not a decision that is made at indyref.

      So yes I am more of a unionist since i support both Unions.

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    3. I do support the EU financially but do not want to give them my tax.

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    4. ScottytheScotinScotlandJuly 2, 2020 at 12:09 PM

      Anonymous - 9.01am - my position is that you are just another anonymous British Nationalist posting Britnat lies and shit stirring just like GWC.

      You have to laugh at the Britnats - some say it is a jolly good Union others that we are all one country not a Union. Britnats don't know their arse from their elbow.

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    5. Independence for ScotlandJuly 2, 2020 at 12:24 PM

      Alister Jack said the UK is not a voluntary union - therefore it is not a Union at all - nothing democratic about it at all - it is an English dictatorship. It was created as an english dictatorship in 1706/7 and Westminster has shown no desire to create a modern democratic union over the last 313 years. The conclusion to be drawn from that is they like an english dictatorship and want to keep it that way.

      Union my arse.

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    6. Don't you mean 'people from the rest of the UK', including Scots, Welsh, Europeans? You are sounding racist with your focus on the English. Why do you pick them out?

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    7. Any Border control would apply to all arrivals of any nationality, Scots included, yet you (Anon) are obsessed with 'the English'. That's a bit creepy.

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    8. But did they mean 'English people' (specifically those who identify as English) or people from England, which can be anyone resident there. Often I say 'Scots' but mean anyone currently resident in Scotland, including English born/identifying people. If I mean 'ethnic' Scots (identifying), I say so to be clear. This is because I'm not a nationalist, at least only in the civic sense.

      If you are implying they meant 'ethnic' English without evidence, it's you that is the ethnic nationalist as your mind is thinking that way rather than in a civic sense.

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    9. Innocent until proven guilty is how things work. So we must assume they were not talking in any ethnic nationalist sense unless there is evidence for it. Otherwise, it is defamatory.

      I will defer to the Scottish government experts on border control for covid.

      However, it is a concern that the death rate in England is around 100 times that of Scotland now. Of course deaths do come a month or so after infection, so hopefully we we England catch up with Scotland here. One assumes that the much quicker action of Scotland in locking down earlier / tackling the crisis is paying dividends.

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    10. And independence for Scotland is nothing to do with the UK union.

      Scotland could become an independent country within a new, EU type UK union. The plan remains to retain Lizzie, so the monarchical union means the union flag will still fly, just as many countries have it as part of their own flag set ups.

      Therefore, it's possible to be a UK unionist and support independence.

      I'd support an independent Scotland in an EU type trade union with the UK. Likewise, a slimmed down monarchy with no power is fine enough. Ergo I support both UK and EU unions.

      If it is confirmed Scotland will rejoin the EU post indy, will you support Scotland being in that big union or give up on that and go for the smaller one only, making you less of a unionist than me?

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    11. And are you not the Anon that's English / living in England?

      If so, then the right thing would be neutrality on the matter of Scottish indy, as it's purely up to people living in Scotland.

      I have no opinion on the independence of England for example. It's up to people there.

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    12. What a ridiculous statement. Why are you not neutral on the subject of Irish reunification? Its up to the people of Republic Ireland/Northern Ireland.

      Of course my vote counts for nothing in a future Scottish Independence referendum as I don't live in Scotland and yours would not count in a Ireland border referendum as you don't live there - so in that respect we are neutral. But does not stop me or you having opinions on the matter.

      I would fully Scotland support being in the EU and in a looser EU type UK union yes, that would be best of both worlds, no unions would have to be 'given up.'

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    13. And you are incorrect about 'innocent before guilty' in regards to defamation. Under Scottish law the onus of proof is on the person bringing the action to prove that they are being defamed. So in this case they would have to prove that they were not talking about ethnic nationalism.

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    14. While I am a dual Irish-UK citizen, I don't think I've ever been on a N. Irish / Irish political forum and told people there my opinion on reunification. In fact no, I definitely haven't. It would be pretty rude, particularly if I started insulting them, telling them I knew best and they were 'nationalists' when, very obviously, they were unionists (people who support unification are unionists, particularly those who back the EU too).

      I have stated on this Scottish politics forum that N. Ireland is historically part of Ireland and should not have been partitioned by the government of the UK, which I am a citizen of. Ergo, my opinion is of my own government's policy, not telling folk there what's best for them. If you want, you can make opinions on how the UK government handles the Scottish indy situation; that's all I've done for N. Ireland.

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    15. I'll add that Scottish independence supporters are in majority unionists (EU), so can't be described as nationalists. We can't for some reason assume that the union with England should take precedent in nomenclature as that would be, very obviously, racist nationalist. So, if someone supports any form of official union they are a unionist.

      I am big unionist myself. I've not time for British brexit, which is nationalism as no union membership is being sought.

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    16. I've never said I know best, i'm just giving my opinion, that's quiet normal.

      Are you saying that Stuart Campbell should shut down WoS then. He is living in England just like me and giving his opinion on Scottish Independence. Is he being rude? Shouldn't he be neutral?

      I will continue to use the term nationalist as per the dictionary definition as I have said before.

      nationalist
      /ˈnaʃ(ə)n(ə)lɪst/

      noun

      a person who advocates or supports the political independence of a particular nation or people"

      You and other Scottish Nationalists support and advice the political independence of Scotland (from the UK) and therefore I am using the correct term in the English language.

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    17. Ok, so you see (civic) nationalism as a normal, positive thing then. Glad that's clear. My wife is French and obviously supports the independence of France in the EU. It's the norm to support indy.

      I am Scottish/UK and Irish. I personally don't believe the Irish should close their parliament and hand control to the Scots or vice versa. That's a bit weird for me, even as a unionist.

      If I was a Scottish 'nationalist' in the domineering, racist sense I would advocate that I suppose.

      Aye, Campbell likes living in England and should just admit that's so. As part of the UK, there have been plenty of Scots forced to leave Scotland to get a job etc (almost happened to me on graduation in the 90's), but he's not one of them. He's an English citizen by choice.

      Still, that has no bearing on his articles, at least if they are not about him. He's not on Scottish forums telling folk what to do; you need to choose to read his stuff.

      Ok, very, very occasionally he's popped up on here, and when he did, I've given him short shrift too (e.g. when he called Scots cowards).

      Took me a while to work out why UK unionists hated him so much. Then I realised; he's one of them. It's a betrayal. He's happily living in sunny Bath, England and shitting on the UK for living. No wonder the UK side hate him.

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    18. ScottytheScotinScotlandJuly 2, 2020 at 10:10 PM

      "When he called Scots cowards" - aye he got that wrong. It's the Britnats in Scotland who are the craven cowards. They call themselves British.

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    19. Independence for ScotlandJuly 2, 2020 at 10:20 PM

      Anonymous - 4.48pm - I support the Scottish government taking the action that the data suggests is appropriate.

      This, of course, is in contrast to the bampot Brexiteers in Tory Downing st who take the action that the Tory donors want.

      Happy now you have an answer. Here is another suggestion for you - campaign for English independence. It's is long overdue that England stood on its own two feet rather than looting other countries resources.

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    20. @anon July 2, 2020 at 8:50 PM
      You'll find plenty of ppl who think WoS ain't what it used to be and should call it quits

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    21. You seem to be struggling with the way the English language works. As you can see from the description it’s a noun and as such does not imply if I think it is positive or not. You would need to use an adjective or verb with the noun to do that.
      I have no problems with people whose political views mean that they come under the group noun Nationalist through. Just as I have no problems with people whos political views are not the same as me in other senses (they vote for a deferent political parties for example). I just do not agree with their views. People having different views on political matters is perfectly normal.

      Campbell moved to England for work (the magazines he worked for were based in Bath) so you are wrong to say that he did not leave Scotland to get a job.
      I am not telling people what to do, your just making things up now, I’m just posting comments based on my personal feelings. Again, this is perfectly normal. Of course, you are choosing to read /reply to the comments. If what people posting in the comments bothers you that much just don’t read them.
      ..............

      Why would i campaign for English Independence. AS i have said i support both the UK and EU unions why would I campaign for any country to break one of them up?

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    22. Erm, I asked Campbell on this forum why he lives in England and he told me that it's because he thinks Scotland is a cowardly country. This is the reason he gives everyone. He never says it's to do with work, and for good reason. He's been working on his 'Scottish' website for many years now, i.e. has a job about Scotland which could be done in Scotland.

      He just likes living in England. Has a flat and friends there. He used to tweet pics of his strolls around the pleasant city of Bath which he likes living in. That's fair enough; he's English now and there's nothing wrong with that. It's only unionists that seem to berate him for living in England, presumably due to racist hatred as he's a Brit/English, so what the hell is wrong with that?

      The 'cowardly' thing is also a crock of shit as it is English MPs refusing a section 30, so England is the cowardly country. Likewise, Scots born/identifying voted in majority Yes in 2014, so even that grouping can't be called cowardly; it was, again, English born in Scotland that voted No in the main.

      What you are doing is like me walking into a pub in Essex and loudly telling the folk there how I think England should be governed, even though I don't live there. Telling them how stupid an idea brexit is etc. This includes wandering over to tables and adding my tuppence.

      That's just not something I would do. It does however, seem to be a common characteristic of the British.

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    23. Independence for ScotlandJuly 3, 2020 at 11:49 AM

      Anonymous - you deliver a lot of pompous grammar comments but I gave you the reason and answer to your question "Why would I campaign for English independence" in my post. Seems you have a difficulty reading words you don't like so I'll say it again. ".......rather than looting other countries resources." There you are that's your reason. Now if you think it is acceptable to loot other countries resources then that says everything about your morals.

      Your attempts to present the EU and UK as equivalent unions won't wash with anyone other than fellow Britnats, and a lot of them think the UK is the best union ever in the whole world ( eg your bampot leader Johnson) and the EU a dictatorship. Wrong way round of course. The UK was created as an English dictatorship in 1706/7 and has remained so for 313 years. Phoney union with phoney democracy.

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    24. he's English now
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      WTF are you blathering on about. The fact that he lives and works in England does not make him English. Am I English because I live and work in England. Is my American sister in Law English because she works and lives in England? My Dutch colleague at work - is he no longer Dutch because he works and lives in England?

      It's only unionists that seem to berate him
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      Unionists like you I presume....

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    25. That's pretty racist. So people can't become English in the civic sense? Campbell has lived there for decades and you still don't welcome him as one of you? Sounds like you voted brexit.

      I welcome 'new Scots' to Scotland; my French wife is one. She even speaks a little Scots now. When I say 'Scots voted for the SNP in 2016' she's included in 'Scots'. When I say 'the English vote for X' Campbell falls under 'English'.

      It's only people who think on ethnic terms who don't see things this way.

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    26. I welcome anyone who wants to live in England (as long as they follow the laws etc) just like I was welcomed in England. Were they come from makes no difference. Its only people who think in Ethnic terms that pigeon hole people depending on what country they come from.

      Independence for Scotland - sorry you have lost me, what resources are England looting?

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    27. Independence for ScotlandJuly 3, 2020 at 10:51 PM

      Anonymous - I never found you in the first place- you turned up posting pretty standard Britshit.

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    28. You said migrants can't be English, even if they live there for decades. That's not very welcoming at all. That's Britain first type talk.

      You denied Campbell was English. What qualifies someone as English in your opinion? Are you the arbiter?

      I assume if English passports were being handed out, you'd deny Campbell one? On what basis? He's a brit living in England for decades but you deny him Englishness because he's a jock so not pure blood or something?

      If Scotland votes for indy, folk from across the UK living here are welcome to collect their Scots passport alongside me. That's the difference between you and I.

      Your attitude is the same shite as from the UK government, i.e. that Scots should not be allowed to be PM of the UK, with that role reserved for English people. Scots living in England excluded of course because they can't be English. Maybe if they drop the Scots accent and erse lick for long enough?

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    29. You lickspittle and running dog of capitalist nationalist separatism. Stand aside. History, he march forward. Now!

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    30. Your doing it again what is your obsession with peoples nationality? Its quiet creepy. Is that that the one of the first things you try and find out about someone, were they were born.

      I don't give a toss were someone was born - it obviously bothers you alot.

      But as you say this is what have racists do - catagorise people by there place of birth.

      Were have I said that Campbell counld not have an 'English passport' your making stuff up again. But that would be his choice. Unlike you i would not just say 'he's English' just because he has lived in England for a period of time. Are you saying you would force a UK passport on my sister in law or colleague that I have mentioned before just because they live in the UK?

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    31. So you do agree that Campbell is English now? Earlier on you were saying he wasn't.

      I'm obviously not forcing anything on anyone. Campbell has freely chosen to be an English citizen. It is his choice to make his life in Bath, and he's openly admitted this on here in comments.

      It's you that began this by denying Campbell was English now.

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    32. Nope hes Scottish - just like me. He just happens to live in England - just like me.

      I must admit this does take the bigotry that Scottish nationalist spew out to a new level. I'm well used to being told i'm not a 'proper' Scot because I support the UK union now your telling me i'm not Scottish because I live in England. Truly astounding....

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    33. I don't believe I've ever said you were not a 'proper Scot' ( whatever it is you mean by that). Has anyone senior from the SNP said something like this? Or are you just listening to randoms on the internet again? You really must stop doing that; it's what idiots do.

      Campbell is an English citizen. He lives, works and votes there. Same for you. I imagine he would qualify for individual and/or dual English-Scottish citizenship should that come to pass, unless that is the English are racist. What more do you want? Some sort of genetic qualifications for being English?

      I understand you might qualify for both too? Anyway, as things stands, you have chosen not to be a Scottish citizen; the only defining criteria for which, as things stand, is being a legal resident. So you are not a proper Scottish voter / resident. Yet you are keen to voice your opinions to actual residents on how they should vote etc, how you want Scotland run, even though you don't actually live there.

      We live in Scotland. Use use it's public services. We are affected by its economy, unemployment, the trade deals it is part of. You are not because you don't live here. Don't tell us what's best for Scotland because you can't know as you don't live here. If you want to do that, come live here and you get a say.

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    34. I give my opinion on a political matter that would effect me. Are you saying that if Scotland did become independent it would have no effect on me? Because it would I give my opinion on it. Of course I will have no direct influence on Scottish Independence (ie vote in a referendum) as I do not live in Scotland.

      Thats why I don't make comments on things like the Scottish NHS or Scottish Schools or policing, they don't effect me so as you say I should not pass comments on them.

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    35. Out of interest, my French wife has, through free choice, lived here 20 years now. Is she less Scottish than someone born in Scotland that's chosen freely to live in England for the past 20 years?

      I'd say she's more Scottish. Only folk who think in ethnic blood and soil nationalist terms would see things the other way. Which is how you seem to see things.

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    36. Anonymous - boring pish you are posting now. Don't cry for Argentina - oops Britnats - crap now. You are a British Nationalist - if you don't want to be thought of as a British Nationalist then stop being one.

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    37. I would say she has a choice she can say shes Scottish or she could say shes a French person living in Scotland. I wouldn't dream of making the decision for her.

      As a said before, what nationality she was/wanted to be considered would not really bother me. Its only nationalists that seem to consider such things important and categorise them as such and/or tell them what nationality they are.

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    38. I'm not making the decision for Campbell; he chose to become an English citizen and openly admits that. Just as you have.

      Even if you are not from the UK you can become a legal English citizen after 5 years in England and obtain a British passport. He's from the UK and could vote in Bath from day 1. He was an English citizen from the day he moved in there and put his name on the register.

      I think Stuart Campbell qualifies as English by every measure. He can even play for the England international team.

      That does not detract from whatever his original nationality is. I guess he's a Scottish national and English citizen. That's you too right? I'm a Scottish national, British & Irish citizen. However, as I don't reside in Ireland, I stay out of their political debates as it's not my place to comment.

      And, again, you started the run of posts by saying migrants like Campbell are not English. It's taken until now for you to start grudgingly agreeing they can be, with the example of my wife.

      I was talking about citizen and you immediately started on about nationality. It's you that's more nationalist.

      To change the topic:

      Why do you prioritise England for union? Is that not racist? Why not France or Ireland? Germany maybe? I am, as noted, Irish and Scottish. I also qualify for French citizenship and may yet take that. However, I think they should be remain independent countries. The EU is the perfect way for them to be in union. You want Scotland to be in union with England/Wales/N. Ireland. Why them and not other neighboring countries with e.g. stronger economies and better standards of living? Is it simple nationalism?

      For me I don't do this prioritisation as I'm not a nationalist.

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    39. We have been through this before. Sadly the UK is no longer in a Union with countries like France and Germany etc (The EU) Scottish Independence will not change this, all it will do is break another Union. Of course a Indy Scotland may rejoin the EU a t a future date but this cannot be guaranteed.

      As things stand voting 'yes' is a vote for Scotland to be in no union. That is the very definition of Nationalism.

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    40. Independence for ScotlandJuly 4, 2020 at 7:20 PM

      Anonymous - 4.11 pm more of your British Nationalist pish. The UK is a fake union - it was always intended to be an English dictatorship from its inception and has continued to be for 313 years.

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    41. Everyone believes that if Scotland ends the UK, it will rejoin the EFTA/EEA/EU. Even prominent EU figures say it would be welcome.

      And anyway, nationalism is wanting to be outside all unions, not desiring to join one.

      If Scots vote for indy hoping to rejoin the EU - which will be the central argument for Yes - it's clearly not nationalism. If for some odd reason, it remained out in the cold for all its efforts to join, it still would not be nationalism. Only a prize idiot would argue that. 'Bloody nationalists, always trying to join a big union and introduce free movement!' Okey dokey. You just sound like a dumb fuck arguing the massively pro-union SNP etc are nationalists, especially in the fact of brexit. There are 4 countries in the UK; two of which are unionist (Scotland and N. Ireland) and two nationalist (England and Wales).

      Nationalism will be voting for the UK, which is not a union in any conventional sense, but a single unitary state (unions have more than one state and these can freely leave at any moment). If you vote for the UK, it's a vote for British nationalism; a British sovereign state which is not part of any union. Hard core nationalism.

      An intelligent person understands this.

      Anyway, it's pretty clear you are a British nationalist. You can't hide it. It clouds your logic. It's always the same with nationalists; they get into all sorts of contortions trying to explain themselves.

      It's why I like being an internationalist. It's highly likely I will apply for my French citizenship in due course, which will give me three. Mr unionist of independent nations working together, that's me! As far from a nationalist as possible. I can't even be called a Scotrishance nationalist as I don't believe they should join to form single country (because I'm not a nationalist), but instead be in EU type union.

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  24. Scottish nat si controlled Glasgow City Council saying punters should walk on the left and people walking in the opposite direction should walk on their right. Sensible

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  25. We don't allow the transportation of sick animals with say foot and mouth around the place, we lock them down whatever nationality they are, the Tories and Labour are deliberately making this political, there are people from all over the place who cross the border between Scotland and England, they're not all English, Leicester is locked down with the highest proportion of Hindus in England within that area so are we saying the Tories are being racist against Hindus for not letting them out

    It's astupid bloody argument set up by British Nationalist journalists so they could make a political story out of it, setup written all over it, hoping that the dense population of England fall for it, you know what I don't think they're that daft, Bojo the clown is right enough

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  26. ScottytheScotinScotlandJuly 2, 2020 at 12:11 AM

    Nicola Sturgeon gave a lot of the lying Britnat journalists a good kick up the backside today.

    Not before time - some of the disgusting creatures that obviously collude with Britnat politicians have been taking liberties.

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  27. Independence for ScotlandJuly 2, 2020 at 1:21 AM

    Would that Bampot Bowie be saying the same if the data was reversed and England had almost eliminated the virus and Scotland was struggling to contain it. Of course not his masters in good old Blighty (England) would be saying close that bloody border and keep those filthy sweaties off our green and pleasant land.

    Bowie would then burst into song - Jerusalem - no doubt.

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  28. BritNat journalists may think they're the toast of London with their loaded Questions to the FM.
    Funny that the Scottish press don't get the same chance with Johnson.
    Nicola is showcasing the competence and trustworthiness of the SG.
    Panic stations in London. What to do??
    First they ignore you etc..
    49% of English Tories want shot of us.
    51% seem to think they own us.
    The pot is coming nicely to the boil.

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  29. The thing that gets me is that unionists of all people should be seeking to rhetorically normalize different responses to covid within different parts of the UK precisely in order to spike the guns of the SNP. They should be pointing out that it's no different than in the States, Germany, etc.
    But it seems they are so beholden to a narrow, frankly stupid form of British nationalism that they will end up furnishing the SNP with a powerful arsenal of arguments for independence.
    Irony upon irony.
    The British state just doesn't deserve to survive.

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    1. Says the Brit that hurls abuse at my neighbour purely for him being English.

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  30. Andrew Bowie MP for West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine, how did the Unionist there manage to get him elected?

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    1. I saw him in Parliament looking ecstatic. He must have been using a battery operated one.

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  31. Deaths per day in Scotland now just 0.5% of the UK total, yet Scotland is 8.4% of the population.

    Well done the Scottish government for saving lives, but also what the hell is going on in England where Boris's brexiters are in charge?

    Hundreds dying every day.It's like late March when the outbreak was starting to peak.

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    1. Average UK rate is 128/day, but in e.g. France (same population as UK) it's just 23, and Scotland less than one.

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    2. Skier the rabid Burke an Herr body counter. I am aff tae Whitby for the weekend Skier will I get back in using my UK passport or my Irish?

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    3. Given that you are Irish your Irish passport is the one you should use.

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    4. I am French this week.

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    5. Kyprianou Fleder-MinsieJuly 3, 2020 at 1:35 AM

      I can understand why you would want to be somebody else.

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    6. Nat sis do not understand much in life with the exception that the Earth is flat.

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  32. Rabid britnats are definitely cracking up. Good to see. Keep at them.

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  33. Independence for ScotlandJuly 2, 2020 at 10:22 PM

    Will saying you can't stand marmalade ever be a hate crime in Scotland or indeed the SNP.

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    1. Slanty is writing poetry now. You've got to laugh. What a f*cling joke.

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    2. Independence for ScotlandJuly 4, 2020 at 9:48 AM

      Will marmalade be a help or hindrance to Independence for Scotland.

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  34. England has announced its quarantine free-list.

    It can only be anti-Scottish racist hatred if folks think Scotland can't have it's own list (which might include England/Wales/N. Ireland).

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53273048

    Coronavirus: England's quarantine scrapped for arrivals from 50 'low risk' countries

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    1. According to Newsnight the European tourist industry are desperate to get the Brits spending again. Personally I think we are jumping too early. It does no good knickerless following Boris by a week or two. I can see their desperation as domestic abuse is increasing at an alarming rate and crime will increase when the redundancies kick in.

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    2. Skier, just heard on the radio a Weegie saying he is of to Cornwall to see some family. The games a bogey now.

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    1. Cornwall has six Tory Mps. Charlie won at Culloden.

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    2. Charlie had the six Cornish Tory MPs at Culloden. Twice.

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  36. ScottytheScotinScotlandJuly 3, 2020 at 11:59 AM

    Ultra Britnat host from Glasgow Kirsty Wark does her best to blame the Scotgov for the shambles of the UK government policy on the made up term of "air bridges".

    The word has gone out across the media - Johnson is making a bollocks of everything he touches and it is obvious to everyone so to save the day we must try and drag down the Scotgov to that level and convince Scots that Scotland is as bad as England.

    Politicising a health crisis - Britnats have no low too low for them.

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    1. It's an old playbook they are following: where there isn't any obvious propaganda gain - and increasingly there's only the reverse - try to reduce everything to the same level of apparent decrepitude and convince the more negative among us that "they politicians, they're all the same really", and thus demoralise enough people so they keep on accepting the way things are is the best that's possible and not see that there's a better alternative.

      It worked well in ultra-critical glass-half-empty Scotland of the past, and kept Labour afloat for decades on a sea of apathy, but increasingly we're seeing visible signs of how we can actually do it better ourselves, even with our hands still manacled and before we've even properly begun.

      Once the orchestrated negativity ceases to be credible, it backfires. That's what is beginning to happen now, not least with all the presstitute questioning in the Covid briefings.

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  37. Independence for ScotlandJuly 3, 2020 at 2:53 PM

    British Nationalist fanatics like Bowie, and yes a good percentage of them are fanatics, find it intolerable that Scotland has the virus under better control than England. In their fanatical mind to justify their Britnatiness, the mother country England must always be superior in every aspect of life. Anything else explodes their brains. That is what is happening now. Britnats heads are exploding all over the UK.

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    1. Govan Young DefendersJuly 3, 2020 at 4:43 PM

      Unionists United will never be defeated by the Republican/Nationalist Scots/Irish immigrants. We arra people.

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    2. ScottytheScotinSotlandJuly 3, 2020 at 4:51 PM

      You arra Britnat people.

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    3. What "people"? You are in fact a widely-derided miniscule rump of nobodies with no future, it's just that you're obviously too thick to realise it yet. An annoying wee pustule on Scotland's rear end.

      If people like you had any sense, you would follow the example of white Afrikaner South Africa, and get behind the winds of change while you could still have some influence on them, but instead the best you can do is mouth meaningless impotent slogans. And with each new election, you become ever more irrelevant. Maybe one day, when painful reality is staring you right in the face, even you may recognise that fact, but by then it will be too late. You will be history, miserable, irrelevant, and your passing greatly unlamented.

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    4. Fred the Scottish ShredJuly 3, 2020 at 7:06 PM

      You are the one with words however no one knows whether they will be lamented or not as you would be dead. You seem like a bit of a Nat zi prick.

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    5. In the longer term, we're a' deid. Brilliant observation there.

      But the people who think like me will be running things, and the pathetic little schoolboy name-callers like you will be long gone. By then we'll even have stopped bothering to laugh at you.

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    6. Wir werden sehen.

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    7. Mireille MatthieuJuly 4, 2020 at 5:29 PM

      Das hab' ich schon gesehen, Scheißkerl.

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  38. Why is the prevalence of covid 5 times higher in England than it is in Scotland?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-53277092

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  39. Another 137 dead in the UK, but just one in Scotland.

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    1. ARE YOU TRYING TAE DAY ME OOT OF A JOB MR SKIER.

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  40. Independence for ScotlandJuly 3, 2020 at 7:08 PM

    The bampot Britnat Brexiteers have passed the deadline (end of June) for the UK to request an extension to the EU transition period which ends this year. So, the bampot Brexiteers are now risking a no deal Brexit on top of the worst economic carnage experienced since WW2.

    They have no idea what the situation with the virus will be at the end of Dec 2020 and what sort of economic position the UK will be in at that point. Do they have a mandate to take that sort of risk - no. But they are bampot Brexiteers.

    Can there ever have been a more inept UK government who care so little for the well being of its citizens.

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    1. I think ‘no, probs not’ is the only realistic answer to your last question. The incompetency is however helping separate us from the rest of the UK in peoples minds.

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    2. Another expert on minds! The experts this year on anything have been incredible. Everyone should have a personal expert to hand if required. Skier is the Jocko Nat si expert.


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    3. We care more about British citizens than giving billions to the upper class EU elites and their call girls and boys.

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  41. I am a beautiful woman leading a lovely life. Thank you for your interest and donations. I'm having a super time.

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  42. Independence for ScotlandJuly 4, 2020 at 9:42 AM

    What a spectacle.

    In the House of Commons during SCOTLAND OFFICE questions you have the absurd spectacle of a Tory MP for Peterborough telling the Tory MP for Milton Keynes and Scotland Office minister that the people of Scotland do not want an independence referendum not now not ever. The Tory MP for Milton Keynes agrees.

    What a pair of colonialists. They think Scotland is their possession. They think they own us and we should just do what they say. Of course they have their pathetic grovelling helpers like Bowie but each day that passes more and more people see the UK and the Britnats like Neil Oliver for what they truly are.



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    1. Neil Oliver is interesting and presents history in a balanced way unlike you Nat zis who make up history to suit the occasion.

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    2. Independence for ScotlandJuly 4, 2020 at 1:13 PM

      I meant to say pathetic grovellers like Bowie, Oliver and GWC.

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  43. Neil Oliver is NOT actually a Historian. He's a TV presenter.
    He is however the one main reason my family have failed to renew with NTS.
    To appoint him as NTS president means the board have to own his publicly held views.
    They must have thought Oliver would enhance the standing of the NTS because of his media profile.
    On much closer examination the man is a complete liability.
    Some folk think history is all in the past.
    It isn't. We're living it today.
    Colonialism, Slavery, Empire, Fake Union.

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    1. He wrote a history of Scotland but is not a historian. Ok Nat zi.

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    1. Here is tae Billy an the Twelfth

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