Prior to the vote opening, Jacqueline Bijster sent out an email to members in her capacity as incumbent which made reference to the election. The party leadership reacted with absolute fury, arguing that this was a clear attempt on her part to abuse the advantages of office to skew the outcome. They then took an extraordinary level of 'remedial action' - Chris McEleny sent an email to all party members listing the names of the other three candidates (ie. myself, Mr Jack and Mr Fallon), but omitting Ms Bijster's name. The three of us were also invited to write a short pitch in support of our candidacies, which was sent to all party members in a separate email, again without any pitch from Ms Bijster.
My initial reaction to all of this was one of bemusement. In fact I directly told Alex Salmond (on what I think was the last occasion I spoke to him before he died) that I had no great problem with what Ms Bijster did. I agreed that her email gave her an advantage in the election, and I even agreed that may have been her motivation for sending it, but I pointed out that the incumbent was bound to have an in-built advantage due to their right to send out official emails under their name during their whole year in office. One more email seemed to me to be neither here nor there, and the whole thing seemed like a total over-reaction.
As always in these situations, things were not quite as they seemed. I discovered months later that the reason for the leadership's reaction was not a zealous commitment to free and fair elections, but instead that they had turned against Ms Bijster (for reasons that were not entirely clear), and wanted to use the election to get her replaced by Daniel Jack. There were one or two steps taken to boost Mr Jack's profile at the right moment, and I gather Ms Bijster clocked what was going on and was savvy enough to realise that it wasn't just the leadership who had the in-built ability to push one particular candidate forward - she could do the same thing for herself. Essentially what the leadership objected to was that she had been streetwise enough to fight back against their own tactics extremely effectively.
But on the face of it, the leadership were saying that internal elections have to be scrupulously fair and that all candidates must have an absolutely equal opportunity to put their case. Contrast that with the extraordinary email that was sent to Alba members yesterday. For a second year in a row, the internal elections have been cancelled, but this time they've been replaced by a straight Yes/No plebiscite on allowing all current executive members to extend their term of office for around six months. The email went on to expand at length on how uniquely suitable the current executive is and to exhort members to vote Yes for an extension.
So where is the scrupulous fairness in this plebiscite? Where is the balancing email from those who don't support an extension and giving them an equal opportunity to set out the reasons why? I've pointed out a number of times over the last year that the Alba leadership has become increasingly authoritarian, and I'm afraid this is another example of that. The replacement of fully-fledged elections with plebiscites is, let's be honest, a classic tactic of authoritarian regimes down the ages (General Pinochet, for example) as they seek to give themselves a veneer of legitimacy. I'd say a good rule of thumb is that if the purpose of a vote is not to give members a genuine choice, but instead an exercise in theatrics to give the appearance of legitimacy to a decision that has already been taken, then you have crossed a Rubicon and moved away from democracy. It's quite clear that members are 'required' to vote Yes in this plebiscite, not least because there doesn't seem to be any meaningful alternative proposition - no explanation is given in the email of what would actually happen if there is a No vote. The unspoken challenge to members is "you're not going to vote for a void, are you?"
I have no doubt whatsoever that the leadership will get their desired North Korean style 95%+ Yes vote. However, if I had a vote myself (and I don't because I've been arbitrarily suspended from the party at Chris McEleny's personal whim for the last month and a half), I would vote No. I would do that as a matter of principle to object to yet another departure from democratic norms, but I would also do it because I frankly don't think the current executive have a collective record that warrants the confidence of members for a six-month extension. The last year has seen numerous abuses of the party's disciplinary machinery to crack down on freedom of speech, and although that is not directly the fault of executive members, they are the only people with the power to rein in the General Secretary and the Party Chair when they act inappropriately, and they have signally failed to do so. They have also presided over numerous blatant breaches of the party constitution - not just my own unconstitutional removal from a directly elected position on a committee, but also the appointments of Suzanne Blackley and Ash Regan to replace office bearers when under the terms of the constitution those positions should have automatically gone to the runners-up in the relevant elections (Abdul Majid and Heather McLean respectively). To be clear, I'm making these criticisms of the executive on a collective basis, because a collective extension is being sought. It may well be that individual executive members have tried to do the right thing but were voted down.
I know some will argue that these are special circumstances and that the plebiscite is a one-off. But it's only a year since there were other special circumstances that supposedly justified the one-off nullification of election results. This is becoming a bit of a habit. What will be the special circumstances next year? What will be the deviation from democratic norms next year? My own view is that Alex Salmond's tragic death does justify the postponement of the internal elections, but that postponement should have been no more than a few weeks and there should have been no question of a dodgy 'managed plebiscite' to justify anything longer than that.
They are abusing Salmond's legacy of sorts by manipulating election of office bearers.
ReplyDeleteSurely ALBA is big enough, strong enough, democratic enough (ironic) to allow a simple election to take place.
Is this in accordance with the regulations governing political parties??
Putin and other dictators have been good teachers.
Alex only passed away last month and you would have to be very naive if you don't believe that a lot of what happened in the previous year within Alba was not being done without Alex's approval - including the decision to suspend James Kelly's membership. What puzzles me is why James Kelly- who is a principled guy - would still want to remain a part of it.
DeleteI think Alex was under pressure. People around him were making demands and he was having to keep them happy. It wasn’t how Alex behaved in the SNP. He wouldn’t expelled anyone - only person he expelled was a domestic abuser - and if someone didn’t support him his policy was to keep that person inside the tent. Kenny MacAskill didn’t support him for leader, neither did Alex Neil but he gave them positions in the SNP
DeleteSo his behaviour in Alba was very uncharacteristic. I suspect he was being manipulated and pressured
If it's true that Bill Walker was the only person expelled from the SNP during Salmond's leadership (for domestic violence), something must have fundamentally changed, because I know of at least two people who have been expelled from Alba this year, and the reasons were trivial. One of them was Geoff Bush, who is a decent guy and a good independence supporter. To compare him to Bill Walker would be downright offensive.
DeleteEither Salmond must have lost his way, or as you say others may have been putting him under severe pressure. But something had changed.
I think if Salmond had been himself he would never have set up Alba. It was a lapse in judgement. I think the court case had traumatised him.
DeleteDaniel Jack had an article in the National obviously organised by Chris. The Alba Party then sent that article to all members. He was promoted in all sorts of ways. But nevertheless he no doubt lost because the election was cancelled if the right person had won that wouldn’t have happened. I don’t know anything he has done as membership Convener other than forward emails to Corri
ReplyDeleteI don't know any of these people by their first name. I'm not one of the elite. Drain the swamp.
DeleteHow do I get in contact with you with my experience with the authoritarian control within certain members of the alba executive?
ReplyDeleteMy email address is: icehouse.250@gmail.com
DeleteI doubt you lost Membership Convener James. If there is cheating you can’t be sure of anything
ReplyDeleteOn the final round of voting, James got 49.5% and Daniel Jack got 50.5%. If it really was that close, the leadership wouldn't have needed to directly cheat to ensure Daniel Jack won. They could have just drummed up however many extra votes were required with a few phone calls. Although having said that, if they were monitoring the votes in real time and had inside knowledge of how close it was, that would in itself have been a form of cheating.
DeleteThey definitely would have been monitoring votes in real time. They couldn’t do anything about Eva on 82% but a few extra votes for Daniel would have fixed it
DeleteHow many times do you put up with this type of anti democratic behaviour? Is there any reason whatsoever to think that things will change? I’m sorry but you are losing my sympathy for your plight. Get back into SNP. You can try to effect change there. You are never doing that within Alba.
ReplyDelete" Get back into the SNP " - an even worse anti democratic party run by people being investigated for embezzlement. Not to mention persecuting Salmond over false allegations over 8 years and now even in his grave. McEleny may be a shit but he comes nowhere near that lot in charge of the SNP.
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DeleteThis Russian soldier keeps popping up on SGP but clearly has no command of any language.
DeleteAnonymous at 1.17pm. Correct advice.
DeleteIFS absolutely raging at this, just made everyone's weekend lol.
DeleteSkier at 9.22pm - I have no idea what you are prattling on about but I do know you are a self confessed liar.
DeleteIfs- you are neither a member of ALBA or the SNP so butt out and play with your wee pretendy socialist group of one
DeleteIFS has never found home with any political party. Maybe he will choke on some nuts.
DeleteAnon at 12.00. IFS will likely join up with Peter A. Bell's new party so they will be a wee pretendy group of two.
DeleteSkier posting at 11.19am as Declan - that is a totally unacceptable post. Wishing someone physical harm has no place on any blog. You are a disgrace.
DeleteLomax king of the snidey one liners has never posted anything of any value.
DeleteAnon at 11.19am. I thought I was a Tory according to you trolls. You really are pathetic.
DeleteIs choking on nuts so you stop talking physical harm? No mention of the homophobic abuse you direct towards me in the past? Torrent of anti gay abuse in the not so distant past.
DeleteSkier at 2.27pm moving on from wishing me physical harm to now just posting blatant lies. You are a disgrace Skier.
DeleteHave to say, I agree with IFS.
DeleteAlba (even with their problems) are vital, as the SNP leadership is corrupt & careerist all throughout. They have no intention of pursuing Indy. Alba, if elected, can force SNP to change.
As an ALBA member, at least for now, I voted no. What is the “executive team” we are asked to support? I disagree with some things that have happened over the last year, such as James’ suspension. We need changes. Why a yes/no vote, without other options? The party needs to take stock of where it now is and move on towards the 2026 elections. All members should have the chance to contribute – the current NEC doesn’t have exclusive rights to wisdom which it will reveal to the membership in March. Some who were very close to Alex may need more time to come to terms with what has happened and they may need and should be able to stand aside for a while and let others take the strain of running the party.
ReplyDeleteI'm guessing this article will probably be used against you James if your disciplinary meeting ever takes place.
ReplyDeleteThe operative word there being "if".
DeleteFace it, James - Alba will never amount to anything in electoral terms.
ReplyDeleteAll it is currently achieving is to split the Indy Vote in local elections, making it easier for unionist parties to gain council seats.
SNP is beginning to increase its vote-share in most Scottish polls now and the Indy Vote is still around 50% and pretty stable.
Your undoubted talents and energy would be much better deployed within the dominant Indy Party in Scotland.
Time to leave the whinging conspiracy-Wingnut-numpties down their wee rabbit holes and return to the vast majority of Yessers who still want an SNP victory and a Pro-Indy Holyrood in 2026.
Tempus Fugit, though - don't waste any more of it with Alba!
We have already had a supposed “ pro Indy Holyrood “ and the SNP/ Greens did f - all about independence. Tell us Dave, why will it be any different in the future?
DeleteIt's very tiresome that after the SNP losing tens of thousands of members, being seen as being incompetent, under active police investigation and suffering their worst electoral defeat since the pre-Salmond era there's been no self reflection to establish the reasons why, nevermind implement radical reforms to reverse the decline.
DeleteIf the SNP are to have any shot of retaining power and returning to what it once was then the delusions that all is well need to end asap. Those who left the Party weren't just a small number of troublemakers, there has been a serious problem at the heart of the SNP for a number of years now and until that's addressed calls to unite behind them will largely fall on death ears.
Have to agree Dave.SNP are rightly being heavily criticised, but will not change tack unless forced from within. James could play a part. But he does need to separate off from the idiot faction that post on here ad nauseam based solely on their hatred of N S and the SNP. Valid criticism of SNP, and there is plenty to be made, is one thing but the foul mouthed aggressive vitriol we read daily on here has no place in democratic process. They should go back to WOS. That is their natural home.
DeleteAnon at 8.46pm once again trying to dictate who can and cannot post on SGP. The same poster is quite a specialist in foul mouthed vitriol but his foul mouthed vitriol is ok according to him. Apart from that he also has the cheek to tell James what to do with his life. I doubt James will take advice from Scottish Skier.
Delete"Tell us Dave why it will it be any different in the future." Still thinking about it Dave or not thinking about it at all?
DeleteAnon at 8:46 - You are correct in most of what you say. SNP are a bit of a mess at the moment - but no more of a mess than those which have involved all the main unionist parties in the recent and more distant past. Did any of those messes lead to the destruction of those unionist parties, or the demise of the union itself?.
DeleteNo they did not and nor will the present mess in the SNP lead to its end ( no matter how much some of the more deranged posters on here and on Wings might wish it ) or the demise of the Indy Movement.
SNP must indeed sort themselves out and show more competence than of late - not forgetting, though, that they have presided over the best overall NHS, the most compassionate children and elderly caring systems, the best free public transport allowances in the UK, full mitigation of Bedroom Tax, Rape Clause, etc...
They now MUST give their 'stay at home' supporters something big and fair to get those voters voting again in 2026 - and that, in my opinion, should be FULL mitigation of the pensioners' loss of WFA and do so BEFORE winter really sets in.
They MUST also concentrate on matters which voters actually think important, rather than policies only favoured by vociferous interest groups.
There is still time to do all of that, before the Scottish Election.
Those within our fold, whose prime motivation is purely to bring down the SNP, are doing the Yes Movement and Scotland itself no service at all - because without the SNP, the Yes Movement is politically finished.
Alba will NEVER really matter in the bigger picture, nor will Campbell of Wings. Both will be very small side-notes in history. Nothing more.
The thing is though it's also incredibly unhelpful when we still have those who see the SNP and the Yes Movement as being one and the same.
DeleteMany left the Party for good reason and very little has changed since. It's understandable when those in the SNP insist that we all need to back them regardless of whether or not they intend to change many will quite rightly have an immediate "piss off" reaction.
The more you demand that people NEED to do something the greater their resistance to that demand will be.
Anon at 11:23
DeleteI say it as I see it.
Without SNP, the Yes Movement is politically dead.
Simple FACT.
If you cannot even see that, there is not much hope for you.
I couldn't care less whether folk who want Indy are presently pissed off with them or not - you either see past all that and remember the MUCH bigger Indy/Union fight, or you don't.
If you don't, you are playing right into the hands of British Unionism, who will gleefully chortle all the way to control of Holyrood and then a rapid diminishing of its powers to nothing more than an over-large local authority.
Unionists have ALWAYS looked at that bigger picture and tactically-voted accordingly. Tories vote Labour and vice-versa, even although they normally HATE the other party.
Unless and until Yessers can adopt that same ruthless mindset......we are f###ed.
So Dave cannae tell us why voting SNP will be any different from voting SNP for the last 10 years and getting the same action on independence - zero action. 19/10/23 - de facto referendum - promises made for mugs to believe.
DeleteWhy is the onus on us rather than the SNP themselves?
DeleteShouldn't it be up to the SNP to win people over and progress the case for independence rather than just expecting people to vote for them regardless?
Many have lost faith in the SNP and have come to the belief that in recent years they have simply been using independence as a carrot to win elections and pursue personal self interests. Why would you ruthlessly back the SNP when you don't believe it will achieve anything?
The SNP has won more mandates than you can shake a stick at and there's been a pro-indy majority at Holyrood since 2021. The goalposts keep being moved and following the daft Supreme Court action it doesn't matter if new unnecessary electoral targets are met Westminster will never give us another referendum.
People are tired of being marched up a hill, how many "game on" front covers of The National have there been now? Voter fatigue and apathy are the biggest problems we face. Just regurgitating the same old rhetoric won't work anymore.
100% correct
DeleteAlba are cherry picking by-elections and throwing money at them, Billboards, personal letters, adverts in local press.
ReplyDeleteThere were 5 by elections on Thursday Alba stood in one. Their general secretary, with the likely Salmond sympathy vote, got 8.7%. That’s as good as it has ever got for Alba.
But they need votes across the region for an MSP and without building a campaign across the region they won’t win in 2026
I notice the Alba friendly Norstat had them down. 2% on the list vote - so not promising
Putting everything of for months to keep the existing NEC in place - which lets by honest was gerrymandered is just people desperate not to concede any control
They're very clearly using Alex Salmond a an excuse to totally usurp democracy. Shame on them.
ReplyDeleteThe people on the NEC were 3rd, 4th or 5th choices and in the case of Suzanne not a choice at all. And these people are getting another 6 months in office ?
ReplyDeleteThis is disturbing. I have just voted No. I am interested to see what the outcome is. Grouser
ReplyDeleteFor what it’s worth I’m still an Alba member but did not receive the email about the election . I have raised this direct and they have said they will try to reply within 7 days. I did say that I learned about this on this blog.
ReplyDeleteIt was in the weekly snooze letter
DeleteFrom the National about Swinney and Glasgow coming by-elections:
ReplyDelete"The SNP campaigns will focus heavily on the UK Government’s decision to means-test the Winter Fuel Payment benefit, with Swinney saying this has caused “significant difficulty and hardship for members of the public”."
Yes, this is fine, but if the SNP ScotGov don't then mitigate - i.e. make the benefit universal FOR THIS WINTER, then they will be and will be seen to be, hypocritical in the extreme. Warm words but hypothermic.
"He said the Scottish Government would be “looking closely at our finances” to determine if any mitigation can be put in place."
Not good enough. Don't waffle about it cravenly, just do it.
You have a chance Swinney to restore trust in ScotGov. Don't blow it.
Relevance to this article by the way is simple.
DeleteI think the general public are increasingly seeing the whole political class as a dishonest and untrustworthy underclass.
There's lies, damn lies, and politicians.
I agree with both your posts. Moaning about Westminster is no longer cutting through - even if the points made are true. Do something positive SNP if you want independence. They never have a problem finding the money to pay legal fees to try and cover up their wrong doings. Pay the WFP Swinney.
Delete“Do something positive SNP if you want independence “
DeleteLike what?
Umm, like "Pay the WFP Swinney".
DeleteHTH!
yir2 at 9:57 .... "HTH!" .... are you fourteen?
DeleteIt's simple really: Follow the approach that made the SNP popular in the first place and achieve a majority in 2011: Display competence and use the powers you have available to improve people's lives.
DeleteLike him or loath him but the SNP under Salmond didn't just blame Westminster and say there's nothing they could do. Those administration's used every tool at their disposal to make things better for the people of Scotland.
The Winter Fuel Allowance is a perfect example. By maintaining it in Scotland (Don't say we can't. When there's a wull there's a way) we'd help our pensioners this winter and shame Westminster in the process. That's also how you move people towards independence as you can say: If we can do this with the limited powers of Devolution, just imagine what we could do with the powes of Independence!
The Salmond administration's main legacy is from a 10-year Council Tax freeze that seriously buggered local council funding pretty much forever. That's schools, roads, lighting, rubbish collection, libraries, social care, swimming pools, etc. Pretty much all the the degradation of public Scotland outwith the degradation of the NHS, that is all too obvious to everyone, is caused by the 10-year Council Tax freeze. The vote-win lure amounted to the average Council Tax payer benefiting by one new shoe per year. 3% inflation x £1200 = £36. Every year for ten years. And it's back!
DeleteAnon at 11:10 PM
DeleteExactly. The SNP have become a government of whinging. And outside their ivory tower, nobody is buying it.
Anon at 10:55 PM
HTH means "Hope That Helps".
GTH
Maybe a smart move would be better to wait until we get our first bit of proper cold weather (November and still no frost here!). Then JS should announce keeping the WFP. It would make a bigger good news story.
DeleteHTH means hypothermia. :). Glad to be of help.
DeleteI see the Daily Mail “they are all as bad “ mantra is once again rearing its head. Used in an attempt to normalise the corruption a criminality of the tories. Spare me the usual speculation and lies. Those using it claim to be Indy supporters.
DeleteBoth Yousaf and Swinney supporting Mathieson in trying to fiddle £11k from public funds isnae speculation or lies. It may not be in the ball park of Tory billions of corruption re Covid but it is wrong nevertheless and should never have been supported by Yousaf and Swinney.
DeleteYou were told yesterday, along with your pal, go away and get an education. You two should be called the Foxes. Right pair of tits.
Delete"SCOTTISH minister Neil Gray was chauffeured in a ministerial car to attend major Aberdeen cup matches at Hampden Park, it has emerged."
Deletehttps://archive.is/rPVeM
Another pig with his snout in the trough. Who paid for his clothes I wonder? He needs to resign and stand down.
Jings, reading the article he's not the only one. Half the Cabinet are on the take. If Swinney needs any excuse to wield his chopper and clear up his party's act, this is all he needs. A complete reshuffle and chuck the marked cards away.
DeleteDirty dirty dirty.
Anon at 4.02pm also known as the liar Scottish or Irish or French
DeleteSkier has no argument so is just abusive and tells people to go away. Pathetic stuff mixed in with disgraceful stuff. Skier is the type of person who supports criminality if has an SNP badge on it. A person of low morals. A lowlife.
Some of us want our politicians in Scotland to be honest. We want them to be different from the standard Britnat politicians. Covering up wrongdoings by SNP politicians is not the way forward. It does absolutely nothing to assist Scottish independence.
DeleteThe more IFS posts, the more extreme his comments, the more idiotic his responses, the more I think he must be a deep plant long term Britnat troll. No one can be that stupid and unaware. Cue (in his head) witty yet scathing reply. James must be overjoyed to have such a prolific click baiter on the job. Can’t be arsed counting, but wouldn’t be surprised if he has posted about one third of the comments on this topic.
DeleteWhat's worse is that the ScotGov is trying to pretend it was all "ministerial business". So as well as free tickets which is perhaps a minor thing, they're misusing ministerial cars paid for by us, AND treating us all like the morons they actually are themselves thinking we'll swallow their total guff.
DeleteFull list of dishonour (so far), football matches apart from one:
Neil Gray
Mairi Gougeon (rugby)
Siobhian Brown
Tom Arthur
Yes I agree, their troughing should not be covered up - not their hypocrisy in criticising Starmer but doing the same thing.
After Matheson they should realise they'll be found out, which makes them stupid - not a good quality for a minister. The UK Gov has enough stupidity thanks very much.
Swinney - clean up your party.
Anon troll at 7.20pm I don't have to count the majority of posts are by anons and a lot by the same troll who also posts as Declan now and again. The troll says " I think " yeh but not very well.
DeleteAnon troll at 7.20pm 'thinks' it is extreme to want " our politicians in Scotland to be honest". There you go that is this trolls values. He wants politicians like trump - dishonest. .
DeleteAnon at 7.32pm - there are trolls posting on SGP who are of the opinion that the sort of stuff you posted about is ok because they are SNP politicians. " Wheest for the SNP you know it's right. They might do something about independence in 50 years time." they cry. Mind you John REDACTOR MAN Swinney First Minister for cover ups has set a very low standard.
DeletePretty sure some Lib dem Minister in the distant past abused his Ministerial car and was held accountable.
Didn't Tory leader David McLetchie resign because of fiddling his expenses for dubious taxi fares? The media called it "Taxigate"! No one would even notice these days…
DeleteSwinney's so weak he wouldn't dare sack a minister. His position is tenuous, right enough, but he's also just so used to bending forwards when he gets to work.
IFS at 9.16. Do you not understand the difference between a third and a half? It appears not. Explains so much.
DeleteInterestingly IFS has not denied being a long term Britnat troll. Why is that?
DeleteInterestingly the troll above at 4.08pm has not denied being a murderer. Why is that?
DeleteIt explains that the poster at 4.08pm is just a clown of a troll.
DeleteChris McEleny is a power hungry rat. If you want democracy in Alba, get him tae fuck
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely. That's why naming him and shaming him for his blatantly anti-democratic, power-craving behaviour is the right thing to do. If enough people noticed, he'd be forced out.
DeleteAnon at 10:28 pm -- don't be silly.
ReplyDeleteThe current leader of the Alba Party came 8th in an election in Grangemouth this year. That doesn't jive with the overblown egotistical razzamatazz they punt online. It jives with Alba being a tiny niche party with an existential problem that make them look a bit less viable than the Pensioner's Party. As far as their little internal ego battles: Who the fuck cares?
ReplyDeleteFor a bit of reality, if the Edinburgh Spokes cycling campaign group were politicised, they would probably get as many votes in Edinburgh as the Alba Party.
ReplyDeleteThanks to STV, even I'd give them a shot in a council election.
DeleteAlba didn't even stand here in Edinburgh in the council election. There is NO DEPOSIT to lose. What was the issue? Why not even stand a paper candidate? The Greens won their seat in my ward very easily, there's no excuse for cowardice.
Why do these posters bother slagging off Alba when they say it is finished anyway. Are they just daft or what? Or are they unionists?
ReplyDeleteNo, just realists. ALBA will not get a council seat this side of council elections. It lost all its MP’s it hijacked from the SNP and has one MSP -who refused to test her mandate when she jumped ship after losing an election- for the SNP leadership.
DeleteNow ALBA is election fixing for its own internal election of office bearers. It’s current “leadership” are a disgrace.
Time to jump ship, James, from this irrelevant bunch of shysters.
ReplyDeleteFinancially they are probably not viable.
ReplyDeleteThe SNP are the best pro-independence political party.
ReplyDeleteYou are very easily pleased. A pro Independence Party that breaks its promises on action for independence is not a pro Independence Party. 50% yes. 30% SNP says that 20% disnae agree with you.
DeleteThe best at embezzling finances?
DeleteIFS,
Delete50% Yes???
Yes, KC, 50%, didn't you see the NORSTAT POLL?
DeleteThe US election showed that polls are just polls. What counts is an actual vote and that's why House Jocks like KC are desperate to prevent one taking place. And that includes Sturgeon's gang.
DeleteI hate sturgeon I hate…. Why? Cos, I hate sturgeon. … wonder why ?
DeleteWhat a pathetic wee life you lead. You need to get out more.
“House Jocks” seems to have become IFS new favourite term.
DeleteI agree with you IFS that polls are just polls, and it’s the actual vote that counts.
DeleteUnionists point to the fact that the vast majority of polls put No ahead, but it’s meaningless as far as I’m concerned.
Anon at 6.42pm happy to call you a prick of a troll if you prefer.
DeleteAnon at 6.18pm - you will have to look long and hard to find any post saying I hate Sturgeon because it isn't there. You on the other hand are a lowlife troll who is happy to accept unacceptable behaviour that decent people reject. A decent person does not describe you troll.
Sturgeon betrayed Salmond but worse than that she betrayed Scotland.
Saddo stalker of all things Sturgeon. Boring boring boring. No doubt you will respond as another anon!
DeleteAnon 7.24pm you are so stupid. You cannae stalk someone who disnae frequent this blog or anyone via a blog. Which of the boring anons are you then - oh that's right you like to keep what you have posted hidden like the cowardly lowlife troll you are.
DeleteYou are wrong. Ask the polis
DeleteAnon troll at 8.40pm - you ask the polis and while you are there ask them if an anon like you can be classed as stalking me 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. What a numpty. At least it would give you something to do instead of trolling me - oh wait a minute are you stalking me 😂😂😂😂😂. I mean that other troll, or is it you Skier again who wanted me to choke. Now that sounds serious - remember to tell the polis about that threat stalker.
DeleteFACT fact Fact FACT
ReplyDeleteLie, lie, lie.-find another record. It is very boring.
Delete"Alex Salmond memorial to be held in St Giles' Cathedral on St Andrew's Day"
ReplyDeletehttps://archive.is/oIhKy
Very appropriate I think. May his memory last forever. So near and yet so far.
If the First Minister for cover ups John REDACTOR MAN Swinney had any decency he would call off attending with a bad cold.
DeleteI stated on SGP in 2020 that a real party of independence would call a de facto referendum for Holyrood 2021. Sturgeon had been refused her self described gold standard sec 30 referendum multiple times by Westminster. That was the logical and only way to proceed if you wanted a vote on independence. But no Sturgeon, Blackford, Swinney and the rest of her gang sold numpties the line that Westminster would cave in to her future demands as it was a democratic deficit. It was unsustainable they said.
ReplyDeleteSo she promises Indyref2 in the Holyrood 2021 election and promises a referendum on 19/10/23 and failing that a de facto referendum on the next UK general election. She then goes to a London court with her Unionist Lord Advocate and to little surprise they say you cannae have your gold standard referendum. The gold standard was just fake like Sturgeon herself. So the 19/10/23 referendum is no more despite years of assurance from the trolls on SGP it was definitely happening. But not to worry although the no ifs no buts promised referendum wisnae happening there was the promised de facto referendum on the horizon. But no surprise again Sturgeon claims she is tired, resigns and the SNP cancel the de facto referendum. This a story of betrayal and mugs falling for the scam that is Sturgeon's gang.
There is no sign of a de facto referendum being declared for the next Holyrood election. It will probably be some rubbish like Vote SNP to keep Labour out. It also seems that there are plenty of mugs who are willing to be fooled time and time again.
Scotland will never be independent with the current SNP leadership and the people to blame are the people who claim to be the sole owners of Scottish independence - SNP members. They put Party before Country even when that party is led by undesirables.
Yip- ifs - leads his party of 1. UDI!
Delete🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣KC claims to speak for the wider global community. To quote a House Jock - Truly desperate stuff, and frankly embarrassing!
DeleteAgree entirely with IfS @ 7:36. Of course, it was even worse than that, as Nicola's faction didn't just neuter the SNP, they politically assassinated Alex Salmond to destroy the chances of a challenger from "the indy fundies" they so despise.
DeleteHow badly we need a new leader now.
10.37am - I have no doubt that the stress of 7 years of relentless persecution by Sturgeon's gang, the British state media and bloggers and independence supporters who continually defamed him will have contributed significantly to Salmond's' early passing. Truly shameful stuff.
DeleteStop piggy backing on personal grief and tragedy you little piece of shit
DeleteDr Jim at 4.44pm - dont you worry your women assaulting self Jimbo I don't expect you to have any shame over your conduct re Salmond. After all you are the sort of person who boasted about assaulting women on a regular basis.
DeleteIf that was McEleny's big plan it rightly failed miserably.
ReplyDeleteThe above was a reply to a deleted comment from the "turn Scot Goes Pop into an Alba propaganda blog or face expulsion" troll.
DeleteHave you an idea who that troll might be, James?
DeleteThey sound like the voice of exactly the anti-democratic cult wing of the party that you describe in the blog post. And they sound like they are winning, in the party.
I have come to the conclusion thaf IFS and his likeminded cohort on here are akin to an infestation of the Yes Movement - nothing else.
ReplyDeleteThey merely regurgitate ludicrous 'plans' which, according to them, would get us to Independence if they were only followed the way in which totally deranged morons like Wings/Campbell suggest.
There is NO such plan which is remotely workable.
None.
In reality, it will NEVER be irrelevant, irrational wee scribblers like IFS or Campbell who will help us achieve our goal, any more than Non-Electable Alba will.
And while they suggest that the SNP failings - and there certainly are MANY of those - are so egregious that the Party should either be destroyed or simply shunned by Yes Voters,
the unionist-voting cohort will quietly and VERY effectively ignore ALL of THEIR respective parties' failings and make sure HR is once again ruled by WM unionist Clones.
And THAT will be the end of it, for us.
Open yer wee eyes and play the SAME game as the Yoons, only better!
Quick question though: What is the SNPs plan and why haven't they implemented it after winning election after election over the last decade?
DeleteIt's ludicrous to suggest that we should just keep following the literal definition of insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different outcome.
Asking people to vote purely on the hope that the SNP might get round to doing something about independence eventually isn't enough. We need something tangible to rally behind beyond just keeping the unionists out.
David Francis you suddenly popped up on SGP. Why now?
DeleteFact 1. Francis - I have NEVER put forward a plan for independence.
Fact 2. Francis - I have never advocated the SNP be destroyed.
I do not care for people referring to me as an infestation. That sounds like Fascist speech.
A decent person would apologise but I doubt that is you.
Play the same game as 'yoons' you say. You may want to be like
'yoons' but I don't. What is the point of independence if it is people with the same values as 'yoons' in charge.
You also say quite categorically there is no plan which can make Scotland independent. That makes you sound just like Britnats e.g. KC. If that is the case then why vote for the SNP? Why did the SNP put forward their 11 point plan? Was the 11point plan just a con in your opinion?
You're an internet coward with a big mouth who supports nothing but that big mouth IFS
DeleteIFS has no plan, no ideas. Nothing
DeleteMoronic cowardly anon troll at 10.16pm you must be Lomax King of the snidey one liners.
DeleteAmazing an anon troll at 10.48pm that got something right. I have never said I had a plan. I am not full of shit like you. I did have an idea - a de facto referendum in Holyrood 2021. So anon troll you are wrong on the rest of your troll. What I can say about you troll is you have never posted anything but trolling so that makes you a waste of space on SGP.
David Francis letting trolls answer for you means you have no argument and are not a decent person.
Lomas who? Oooh err what a lark. Have you stopped taking your meds? It’s the only explanation.
DeleteWell this is not very entertaining. No imagination at all. Buy yourself a copy of Trolling for Dummies. It's Lomax ya numpty not Lomas.
DeleteI have no idea what the SNP plan might be, or when if might be enacted.
ReplyDeleteWhat I DO know, however, is that if I fail to do what the unionist voters have always done - vote for a credible party whose aim is to get the type of Constitutional Scotland I want to see - I will NEVER see that.
I am in this for the long haul, having supported Indy for over 4 decades now - and there is NO way I am going to deliberately scupper that aim, by allowing unionists to take back control of our Parliament in Edinburgh.
If Indy takes longer than I would wish and the route is more complex with a few detours along the way, so be it.
I will continue to vote for the most powerful Indy Party, SNP, warts and all, because there simply is NO credible alternative whatsoever - and probably will never be.
What if you believe that independence is not a priority for the SNP, they're incredibly incompetent and have done a terrible job at running Holyrood in recent years?
DeleteIt's a hard sell to ask people who believe things are shit to vote to keep the shit coming. Being a pro-indy Party doesn't give them a free pass on everything else & you can't ask people to put their own best interests on hold purely on hope alone. People need something tangible to vote for, that's the only way to win.
David, I get it – you’re in this for the long haul, but blind allegiance to the SNP without real results is exactly what’s keeping us in limbo. After years of mandates and empty promises, why should we keep putting all our faith in a party that seems more focused on managing decline than driving progress?
DeleteIndependence isn't a slogan to be dusted off every election – it needs to be a relentless pursuit, with clear milestones and action, not just rhetoric.
Unionist parties are united because they know how to exploit our complacency and lack of progress. What keeps them in check isn’t just blind loyalty to one party – it’s a strong, focused movement that demands better from its leaders. If the SNP doesn’t deliver, they need to feel real pressure to step up or step aside. Settling for mediocrity won’t beat the unionists – a revitalised and credible push for independence will.
By sticking with the SNP no matter what, we’re sending the message that they don’t need to change or do better. If the SNP actually cared about delivering independence, they’d show it with a concrete plan, not vague promises. Blind loyalty won’t bring independence – pressure, accountability, and a genuine commitment to action will.
Really?.
DeleteSNP have delivered the best overall performing NHS on these islands, the best elderly and children care packages, free Uni tuition for tens of thousands of our kids, free Prescriptions, free hospital parking, NO Bedroom Tax, NO Rape Clause, best free bus travel, widely praised Baby Boxes and game changing Child Allowance.
Name a political party in the UK with as good a list of accomplishments.
And name the political party in Scotland you think would do a better job.
Calling Dave - on your first post you say a plan for independence is not possible but then in that post above you say you " have no idea what the SNP plan might be." You do realise you have completely contradicted yourself between 9.30pm and 9.58pm. 28 minutes - wow.
DeleteSo what we are back to with Dave is that there can be a plan but only the SNP can have a plan and it is a secret plan. The SNP 11 point plan seems to have fled your memory banks Dave.
In summary, you are posting contradictory pish.
My reply was to anon at 1127
DeleteLet's get real here. The SNP’s past achievements—like free university tuition, free prescriptions, and the mitigation of the Bedroom Tax—were significant, but these were largely delivered during Alex Salmond’s leadership. What have we seen in recent years under the current SNP leadership? Scandals, police investigations into missing party funds, and opaque internal dealings have driven away tens of thousands of members and eroded trust in their competence.
DeleteConsider the ongoing debacle with Ferguson Marine. Hundreds of millions of pounds have been wasted on ferries that remain unfinished years later, highlighting the SNP’s utter incompetence in public project management. We’ve also seen ill-conceived and costly policies, such as the botched Deposit Return Scheme, which wasted millions before being scrapped after severe delays and widespread criticism. Their push for contentious gender reforms has not only alienated significant portions of the public but also distracted from more pressing governance issues.
It’s not enough to point to past accomplishments while ignoring the glaring incompetence and lack of vision that defines the SNP today. We deserve a party that doesn’t just coast on its history but actually fights for independence with competence, urgency, and integrity—not one that hides behind legacy achievements while failing on every meaningful front.
Calling Dave - are you sure that is really your name. It's not Kate Watson is it?
DeleteAnon at 12.00am - I wonder if Dave thinks putting rapists in women's prisons is ok. Or having men in dresses counsel raped women is ok.
DeleteWe just need to look over to what happened in the US due to issues like that one. What might be considered to be trivial issues to some can result in an overwhelming number of people turning against you politically as to them it's far from being trivial.
DeleteTry using punctuation.
DeleteI see IFS is answering himself as anon. No giggling please. Naw am no.
DeleteAye ye ur
DeleteAnon at 7.52pm and anon at 7.53pm - please feel free to dress up as a woman. I'm sure you like it. Just don't rape any women.
DeleteHear, hear.
ReplyDeleteThanks.
DeleteSlightly embarrassing for you that you think we don’t no.
DeleteHighly entertaining the gibberish that trolls post. Cannae even put one sentence together.
DeleteLol.
ReplyDelete77th Brigade are indeed everywhere on social media.......probably on here too.
But they are NOT me, IFS.
Their type of pish is well known.......talk down and disparage anything and everything to do with the SNP being their prime M.O.
They know that by getting rid of SNP, they also kill all political hopes of the Indy Movement stone dead.
There are many contributors on this wee site doing exactly that, day after day.
Take your pick, folks.............
I know who my favourites are 😂😂😂
Or your blind loyalty to the SNP is making you unwilling to see the points being made to you?
DeleteIf anything, silencing dissent will have the opposite effect—you’ll alienate genuine supporters and weaken the movement. Demanding better from the SNP isn’t tearing it down; it’s about ensuring they deliver on their promises. Blind loyalty won’t achieve independence—accountability and real progress will.
12:41 is quite right. The Scottish public remembers the last 10 years. They've seen you lot squander every drop of hope we've had. And now they're turning their back on you.
DeleteThere's a reason independence is far ahead of the SNP in the polls. And it's not blog comments, it's Scotgov.
David Francis - you called me an infestation and I gave you the opportunity to apologise. You haven't. That marks you out as not a decent person. You also misrepresented me and didn't apologise. That also marks you out as not a decent person. You posted contradictory pish - that marks you out as a numpty. You couldn't respond to questions I put to you that marks you out as a coward.
DeleteNo wonder you feel at home supporting the current SNP leadership.
You should reflect on the fact that 50% are yes but only 30% support the SNP. That isnae down to me it's down to the SNP leadership that people like you support. So it's down to people like you Dave.
David Francis even disparages SGP - he calls it " this wee site". Well Dave what are you doing posting on it then if you don't rate it.
DeleteIf you really think that me posting on this "wee site" as you call it is responsible for the SNP being at 30% when it reached 50% in the past and for the massive drop in members then you truly are a numpty. People like you have had 10 years saying just keep voting SNP and everything will be fine. Well everything isnae fine, its worse, and it's down to people like you and wheest for Indy which really amounted to wheest for the SNP.
Anon at 12.49 must be in front of a mirror.
DeleteHave you spoken with the young lad Sean Davis and his experiences within Alba, a staunch Salmond supporter. Let down by people he trusted and bullied within the party?
ReplyDeleteI've heard his story and it's quite shocking.
There seems to be a Dave Francis who agrees the SNP should reinstate Universal Winter Fuel Payment, and a David Francis who talks gibberish.
ReplyDeleteStill IFS is very consistent. He has no thoughts or ideas to get Independence which is strange if he actually believes the SNP way is wrong or ALBA is wrong or the Greens are wrong. It may be he believes politics has to be perfect in all ways -pure- before the nirvana of independence magically appears. He will forever be disappointed.
ReplyDeleteSo IFS - tells us the way? …. I suspect he will either divert my question or go on another rant about men in dresses 🫣
You are the Borg. We will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.
DeleteThe problem, SNPanon, is that the party has done bugger all but squander the last 10 years and shows no signs of a change of heart.
DeleteHow does that lead us any closer to independence? I guarantee you will not answer this simple question. John Swinney himself couldn't, either.
Anon 10.22. Scotland awaits the New Scotland Party for national liberation ! The SNP, Alba and ISP have let us down !
DeleteWe are where we are , failed in 2014 to persuade enough don't knows to vote YES and those too scared to go the final mile. Brexit, COvid and internal strife are all part of it. The formation of ALBA which did not deleverage. ISP isn’t worth debating as a option.Dwelling what might have been doesn’t help the future or any plans. I note no- one gave one just what happened in the past.
DeleteFrom my perspective all we have is the Holyrood elections. Make it about independence and how that will assist student, pensioners, EU membership and will aid the country overall. SNP 1 and SNP or other Independence parties 2. Add the votes. Will the brit nats oppose ? Of course they will but my view the 30% of labour voters may well decide that it is worth voting at least on the Regional list. Whether it is allowed that a Pro Indy collective is allowed on the regional vote I will let others advise. Does this give us independence-? Maybe not but it pushes things forward even to the UN if we win.
@11:10
DeleteBe clear about *who* you're describing. To me, your goals are good but your argument is muddled.
What John Swinney / Scotgov / the SNP can do:
- Make the new case for independence in the world of 2026
- Make the Holyrood election a de facto referendum on independence
- Win a mandate from the Scottish people for this purpose
What we Yessers can do:
- Vote for the SNP *if* it actually makes that case
- Do the grunt work in the campaign, *if* it's a live issue in that election
These things are linked, you're right about that. But do note the sequence. You or I can't "make the election a referendum on independence", that's in the First Minister's hands. We can back them up and help to win it, but they must make that choice first.
And if they don't… well there's the problem.
That's exactly where we've all been stuck these last 10 years. Waiting, waiting, waiting for "the firing gun."
@11:10,
DeleteWe need to go all out for over 50% pro indy vote at the Holyrood election. That would obviously put us in a strong position.
Anything below 50% dosen’t cut it, we need a combined pro indy vote over 50%.
My troll deliberately misrepresents me once again at 9.52am. That is Skier and the liar Scottish Skier has been doing it for years now. All the years the plonker said Sturgeon would deliver Indyref2.
DeleteSkier says: - " He has no thoughts or ideas to get independence ......"
Skier knows fine well as I posted it back in 2020 that Holyrood in 2021 should be a de facto referendum. I have since then also posted that Holyrood should be used as a de facto referendum in 2022, 2023 and even now in 2025 or in 2026. That is a thought or idea to get independence. It is not a plan. It is a starting point to get a yes vote. It's not for me, an ordinary yes voter to deliver a plan. That should be the SNP or another political party. That's the basis on how they garner votes. The SNP did deliver a document that they called a 11 point plan which was a joke.
Skier also refers to " the SNP way is wrong " - what way is that exactly - they are doing nothing.
Skier as anyone can see is a deliberately lying troll.
The very fact that House Jocks (KC) and Britnats disparage the idea shows they are scared of it. It should have happened in 2021 but the SNP leadership are devolutionalists and therefore Britnats.
DeleteAnon at 1.00pm - you think wrong - Sturgeon disparaged the idea for years.
Delete"Make it about independence"
DeleteIssue it though that the SNP aren't currently making it about independence or look as if they intend to.
@Pishanon.
DeleteHow do you think the SNP will ever take us there? Your dour argument reeks of colonialism and acceptance. Yes massa.
How was freedom ever won? By making life difficult for the oppressor.
Confrontation is inevitable
DeleteMy troll Scottish Skier at 3.52pm is sounding like a House Jock the more he posts. Yet Sturgeon once promised a de facto referendum. So according to Skier Sturgeon promised an illegal and waste of time idea as well. Oh and Kavanagh and Skier backed it at the time - even Wishart. These clowns were against it and as soon as Sturgeon punted it they were for it.
DeleteSkier a lesson for you - liars tie themselves in knots with their lying - and that's you.
The fact is a de facto referendum is a legal vote on independence. If you want proof that a majority of people in Scotland want independence that is a ( UK ) legal way. Polls of any amount won't do that. I'll repeat for the hard of reading never mind thinking Skier I never said I had a plan. A de facto referendum with a yes vote is the first step on the road to independence. The job of politicians who get votes on the promise of Indyref2 and independence is to have a plan for independence. They also get a fine salary/expenses and some a Ministerial car. I don't stand for election on lies like these SNP troughers.
So let's have a look at what Skier has been punting on WGD all these years:
1. First of all the great Sturgeon would deliver a gold standard sec 30 Indyref2. Well we all know how that went. She didn't deliver it.
Skier gets it wrong.
2. Up next Skier (and Kavanagh ) go along with Sturgeon's de facto referendum idea at a UK general election. Well we all know how that went. She didn't deliver it. Skier gets it wrong.
3. Skier delivers his ludicrous Ski jump graph that says independence will just happen ( miraculously as if Harry Potter waves his wand) in the future. It's inevitable he says. Skier becomes a figure of fun. A clown.
SNP politicians are taking the votes ( less now) and the money but not delivering the goods.
You're a head case IFS
DeleteYou are a complete idiot IFS. No other way to put it. It is so sad that you’re not a parody account. Seriously, take time out and get help.
DeleteOh what intellectual critiques delivered by my troll at 6.59pm and 7.13pm. I'm totally devastated. I'll never post again 😂😂😂😂
DeleteIf only. Seek help saddo.
DeleteMore intellectually devastating critique from anon at 7.48pm. I'm just devastated - crying my eyes out - 😢😢😢. I'll never post again 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
DeleteAw poor old Skier at 3.52pm - looks like James has deleted your post.
DeleteI know how you feel. But what's changed since July, besides Alex Salmond's untimely death? All of us are well and truly snookered.
ReplyDeleteThe hope at the end of the tunnel is the strong popular support for independence in spite of where we are. We've been gifted the a spectacularly unpopular new government in London, which is busy tacking to the right to satisfy their new master across in Washington. Really, you couldn't make it up: the political environment is ripe for taking the leap to independence.
And yet here we are, stuck. Intriguing, isn't it?
Ha, ha, Anon at 9:25 am .... do you have a wee alarm clock that reminds you it's time to post another one of your It ain't happenings?
ReplyDeletehttps://archive.is/V8vRO
ReplyDelete"SNP plot to sabotage Labour's House of Lords bill"
This is just childish, and a pathetic vote loser.
It is, KC. Why do you think forty-something percent of Scots consistently want to end your union? And do you really think Starmer buddying up with Farage to play Trump's pet English poodles will do your side any good?
ReplyDeleteThis is Scotland, remember. I know you don't live here, but FYI 2/3 of Scots voted Remain. This isn't ripe territory for that shit.
It would help if the Scotgov were actually serious about it. They make the case, and we can campaign on it. What we can't do is convince anyone of anything that's just not being pursued at all.
DeleteNot childish and most folk even in England would agree the payments are not acceptable to an unelected chamber.
ReplyDeleteI live in Scotland not England, and with Independence the House of Lords becomes totally irrelevant to Scotland, as does the House of Commons - apart from being the Parliament of a neighbouring State, same as France, Netherlands, Ireland.
DeleteWhy should the SNP be interested in the House of Lords at all?
Lords Wishart and Blackford are very profoundly interested in the future of the House indeed.
Deletebecause YI2 - They make laws over us until they don't!
DeleteWon't someone PLEASE think of the virtue signalling!
DeleteIt's not like they've got much else to do down there. Troughing for Scotland.
HoL will become elected in the second Labour term. The remaining hereditary ones go this term.
ReplyDeleteHa ha ha Labour have been punting this English House of Lords reform stuff since 1890. Even if you think they will do it they are not very fast are they. Labour in to their third century and still not delivered it.
DeleteTechnically, Labour formed in 1900 so it's only their second century really. 😉
DeleteThe "trouble" with an elected second chamber is it dilutes your power in the first. No one really wants that. So they don't.
/KC
ReplyDeleteComment on WGD: "Bullies don’t stop unless you stop them, they keep bullying, ..."
ReplyDeleteOhhhhkay!
That would be that intellectual giant Dr Jim.
DeleteGod bless ye, ma'am. Rule Britannia!
ReplyDeleteOnce more James Kelly is negative on his blog about Alba.
ReplyDeleteIs there something positive to say? James has been sanctioned by McEleny without any hearing.
ReplyDeleteWhat's an Alba?
ReplyDeleteDr Jim and Scottish Skier the Laurel and Hardy of WGD think Sturgeon is going to make a comeback based on the fact she has stated she is standing for election in 2026.
ReplyDeleteDr Jim says: - " And now the game's afoot"
Skier says:- " Aye someone doesn't believe they're heading for the clink, but instead may be planning on finishing the job she started."
What job is that Skier? Rapists in women's jails? It's certainly not Scottish independence she never got started on that.
What a pair of extreme nicophantic clowns.
Even she knows Swinney's days are numbered. Who else can she trust to keep her secrets ████████? And who else could stop her nemesis Kate Forbes?
DeleteI wish she still had her hair in a scrunch fountain.
DeletePunctuation not your gig cool cat?
DeleteYou sound like a small town misery magnet.
DeleteEarth calling Idiot for Scotland. Take your meds.
ReplyDeleteNot very imaginative trolling Skier. You need help if you think you are representing earth.
DeleteIf the alphabetties are genuine ask yourself why they have not sued the SNP and/or the Scottish government. After all Salmond was in charge of the SNP and Scottish government when they claim it happened.
ReplyDeleteThey haven't because the criminal trial proved they were a bunch of liars. One of them currently being investigated for perjury by the polis.
Also they are hardly going to sue the people who put them up to it.
You answered your own question. While legal investigations are continuing other actions can’t progress. Salmond was on trial, no one else. What happens thereafter we can only wait and see although you have already made your mind up. Glad your not a juror.
DeleteAs previously explained a launch is NOT a completion. It is not an indication that the ship is in service.
ReplyDeleteSadly some people just want any excuse to attack Nicola Sturgeon rather than see reason.
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