For the last few weeks (probably months, actually), I've been receiving Mike Small's Substack email newsletter - which is basically Bella-style articles in email form. I presume my details must have been imported from the old Bella mailing list, because I didn't specifically sign up for it. However, I found today's article really helpful, because it quotes extensively from John Swinney's new independence plan, so I'm now much clearer in my mind what it actually is - and yes, there's a big plot hole in the middle of it, but the good news is the SNP are at least talking about independence and talking about putting it at the forefront of their election campaign.
One thing I actually agree with John Swinney about is that the SNP need a big statement win at next year's Holyrood election if independence is to be achieved. I've found it quite curious that the SNP's critics have been making exactly the same demands of the party after last year's general election result as they did before it, thus taking no account of the fact that as far as many people were concerned, the SNP's defeat last year took independence off the agenda for an indefinite period - or "until further notice" might be a better way of putting it. It should be a statement of the obvious that there has to be a clear demonstrative moment of "independence is back in business", achieved in a major election, before anything can actually be progressed. That's not to say that you can't also seek a more specific mandate next year, because more than one objective can be pursued simultaneously, but the reality is that independence is currently tucked away in a box and can only break out of that box with a good election result - which means the SNP remaining the largest party and remaining the party of government, and the SNP and Greens between them retaining a pro-independence majority. The latter bit is going to be tough, although polls suggest it's certainly not unachievable.
A complicating factor is that even if all of the above happens, the SNP are likely to lose seats simply because they had such a stonking landslide last time around. That will obviously detract from any statement win, but perhaps the problem can be offset if the combined SNP/Green seat haul exceeds the 2021 result. Again, that's a very tall order, but it's not totally impossible that Green gains could make up for any SNP losses. (And no, the clusterbourachs that are the Alba Party and "Liberate Scotland" have no role to play in any of this, because they're not going to win any seats at all.)
So absolutely, John Swinney is correct that if you want independence, you need the SNP to do really well next year. That will be an unalloyed Good Thing in its own right. Where I part company from his independence plan is in its insistence that only an agreed referendum can win independence, on the grounds that there needs to be "international legitimacy" and "recognition". That's a form of sophistry, because Scotland will automatically acquire legitimacy and recognition as soon as it concludes an independence agreement with the UK government. It doesn't actually matter a damn how you get to that agreement. Yes, one way of doing it would be to win a pre-agreed referendum, but there are several other possibilities. You could use a scheduled election as a de facto referendum and then pressurise the UK to accept the legitimacy of the outcome retrospectively - that's exactly how Ireland achieved independence and international recognition. (And who knows, if Ireland hadn't forced the issue in that way, and had instead waited forever and a day for an "agreed referendum", perhaps it would never have become independent and would have become trapped within a devolved framework.). A third possibility, which I think is the most likely, is that a majority vote in a de facto referendum could be used as leverage to bring the UK government kicking and screaming to the negotiating table, and to coax a compromise from them on holding a confirmatory referendum.
So given that a pre-agreed referendum is self-evidently not a prerequisite for legitimacy or international recognition, it can only be concluded that we're not being told the genuine reason for the SNP leadership insisting independence can only be done that way. Cynics might suggest that the main attraction is that it's the only option that actually requires permission in advance from London, permission that everyone knows will not be granted, thus neatly getting the leadership off the hook of ever having to do anything about independence, and allowing them to get on with their alleged true love of running a devolved government in peace and quiet. But it might not be that. It might just be a form of strategic timidity, and a craving for the goal to just fall into our laps rather than us having to force the issue by doing anything too noisy. Alas, the world doesn't work that way. Not usually, anyway.
On the other hand, we do live in a world where the likes of Alba and Liberate Scotland have completely screwed up and thrown away any conceivable chance of bringing about independence from outside the SNP, which means that however sceptical we may be about John Swinney's plan, he has to be given his chance to make it work. That's realistically the only game in town, and at the end of the day nobody actually gives a monkey's whether a plan seems to work in theory, only in whether it works in practice.
The big plot hole I was referring to is Mr Swinney's insistence that a great election result for the SNP will force the UK government to grant a referendum, when we all know that great election results for the SNP in 2016, 2017, 2019 and 2021 did not impress London in the slightest. But if he defies the odds by converting an election win into a 'gold standard' referendum, no-one will be complaining. He'll be judged on the results he's promised, and it's only if and when he fails to produce those results that SNP members will perhaps tap him on the shoulder and say: "John, you've done us a tremendous service by steadying the ship after the Yousaf era and winning a key election that has re-established the credibility of the independence cause. But you've now taken us as far as you can, and the time has come for you to hand over the reins to someone with the skills and ideas to actually take us to independence itself."
By the way, I couldn't help but raise a smile when Mike Small interjected to say "I don't really know what that actually means?" about one of John Swinney's remarks. Now you know, Mike, how the rest of us feel when we read Bella Caledonia articles about postmodern cacophonic spaces nurtured by surrealist hyper-ideological anarchic gender-capitalism, or whatever.
It might be the only game left in town but I wouldn't cross the road to watch it.
ReplyDeleteSwinney's plan is nothing more than reheated cabbage.
If I'm being really really honest I love cabbage. That's what I call Chris
Delete10.02 it’s no cabbage it’s just carrots.
DeleteGive the nice man his chance, will ye? Who knows, it might even work? 🤷
ReplyDeleteWell, it’s one way to frame There Is No Alternative. The trouble is, Swinney’s just so timid, cosy and uninspiring that you have to really tax your imagination to see him succeeding in the destruction of the British state. Does he even really want it? Are you sure he’s got the guts?
What is the alternative ?
DeleteSo this is the same playbook again? Vote for us and we'll ask for a referendum, Westminster will say no, then we'll ask for you to vote for us again?
ReplyDeleteThis plan has failed multiple times since 2014, why would anyone expect it to suddenly work this time?
Did you actually read the blogpost, or just the title?
DeleteToo many big words for him/her.
DeleteI love Swinney’s plan. It only has three bits to it compared to the previous plan which had 11 bits. So obviously it has the benefit of being quicker to read and will happen quicker. What’s not to like. Go Swinney. Go SNP. Make Scotland independent again.
ReplyDeleteI detect fake DF
Delete11.27pm - wow what a bright spark you are.
DeleteAnon @ 12.29 begone you bring nothing.
Delete1.06am and you bring what exactly? You bring false promises and lies just like a standard Britnat Tory or Labour man.
DeleteSNP members just love phoney independence plans.
The instruction was begone
Delete9.30am is that it! Ha ha ha.
DeleteI think that, at least in the minds of the SNP leadership, the actions of NS as FM have undermined the credibility of de facto referendum-elections. In short: she ridiculed the idea; then volte-face embraced the idea and promised one; and then dropped the ball and sulked off to a cushy life inhabiting international book festivals.
ReplyDeleteAs for most things, we need to cleanse the ourselves of her rotten political legacy and start afresh.
The mysoginist I hate Sturgeon strikes again. Such old news ifs.
ReplyDeletePeople on the internet trying to spell misogynist: I know there's a y in there somewhere and a g in there somewhere, but I don't know much else.
DeleteIt's just the same shit year after year now. SNP members defend the indefensible.
Delete" Some good and necessary first steps have been taken, but they have only taken us to the starting line."
It would be funny if it wisnae so sad. 11 years and counting after the Indyref in 2014, Sturgeon, Yousaf and Swinney have only got us to the starting line.
The troll who cannae spell at 12.29am is wrong. It's not me posting at 12.02am and it's not old news. The current situation is what I told you SNP ultras what would happen if you stuck with your leadership. Swinney has been around all this time. To try and act as if he is a new broom is just as ridiculous as when you said Yousaf was growing in to the job.
SNP ultra trolls really are disturbed people.
Anon @ 12.29
DeleteSo how can your heroine be legitimately criticised or argued against if you say to anyone who dares criticise her that they are a misogynist in an effort to shut down the conversation ?, or is that the purpose of that particular phrase that we hear so often these days ?
Same tactic in principle as that used by those supporting the genocidal regime in Israel who accused everyone who criticised it of being anti semitic. Shallow cynical amoral people. Join the dots to see who they really are.
DeleteHe'll be judged on the results he's promised
ReplyDeleteJohn Swinney has been at the forefront of SNP strategy for decades, particularly since 2014, during which time they've promised the world but done nothing tangible towards independence despite a massively favourable political landscape.
Come HR26, I will be judging him on his results.
He’s shaking in his shoes at that. Lest ye be judged!
DeleteSwinney, like his boss, will be well rewarded on his way out the door.
DeleteWhat are you dribbling on about?
DeleteAnon at 8.18. Is he shaking in his boots at the loss of one million votes? In a real work environment his recent election performance would have seen him instantly dismissed. Is he not accountable and are you happy with the lack of accountability?
DeleteIt's pretty much true that despite several efforts the SNP is the only act in independence town.
ReplyDeleteIf we achieve a strong outcome in '26 we'll be back in the UK's hall of mirrors of "voluntary union" but with no answer to the question, 'so what's the route out with our shiny new majority ?'
Ultimately the trouble is that no significant political force in Scotland seems able to both avoid suicide and face the fact that a "democratic event" on its own will never be enough. The thinking of the troughers at the top is just too middle class and conventional.
To put it brutally - a neatly filled in ballot paper wont win the metaphorical 'gunfight'.
Withdrawals, boycotts, strikes and other radical actions beyond the ken of the likes of Mr. Swinney will be needed to drive our majority home. Who has even tried to help people to see this harsh reality ? Who will lead.......?
Astute as always, Clut.
DeleteThe obvious mood music from the top of the party is that independence is an "aspiration" and not a "deliverable." It's off in the long grass, to be gotten around to eventually but not for the foreseeable. Press the question and that's when the dismal guff about "60% support" kicks in. Why? What happens then? Is there something about a 60% threshold in the unwritten UK constitution?
Dynamic, forceful and imaginative leadership is what's required. Honestly, they ignored us when we had 95% of Scotland's MPs. There is no bloody threshold! Only a powerful opponent whose continued livelihood depends on denying us.
I’ve been saying for years that we will need to go through a period of confrontation and have flagged up energy and land reform as two obvious areas for fruitful confrontation that the people of Scotland could relate to. While I was still in SNP it was clear that this was never going to be countenanced. Too busy talking about important things such as toilets and unimplementable recycling schemes that could only ever operate successfully at a UK level. I flagged the recycling issue up, but what did I know? Quite a lot as it turns out, but my face didn’t fit. The SNP election slogan rightfully should be “Vote SNP. We are the best of a bad bunch”. We
DeleteJim Sillars ? Lol.
DeleteVery true James.
ReplyDeleteThe Alba-Wings clowns who say that the SNP must either be defeated or somehow 'cleansed' before we can make progress towards our independence, would replace them with who exactly?
Alba-Wings Clowns?
Yeah, those unelectable, conspiracy-freaks would really do the trick, wouldn't they?
Anon @ 8.33
DeleteIts not about physically destroying the party, its about getting rid of the present day devolutionists who are running the party NOW and forcing them, by getting a kicking at the polls to change tack and go back to the party we all new and gave our support so that we can once again give our support to a real independence party ?
Let the unionists in . Ok....
DeleteIt's 'single issue election campaign'. Stick your misleading, pretentious faux-Latin up your hole. It doesn't achieve anything apart from
ReplyDeletegiving the committed a slogan that is a pretentious lie.
Pretty sure "de facto" is real Latin
DeleteThe minute somebody says they want to see a fully costed plan for an independent Scotland you know the Brits are feart again
ReplyDeleteAll the people who sit in their armchairs demanding to know *the plan* only do it because they want to sit in their armchairs and pick the plan apart....again Brits and their media
Oh aye, because the true way to indy is by bumbling into it with no idea what's going on…
Delete"Can we interest you in independence? Coming soon to a Scotland near you, the minute we have supermajority support. What will indy Scotland do for you, you ask? Well dinnae! That's not our place. You take your hostility and cram it, Brit Nat!
DeleteSay, do you know if your next door neighbour's in?"
You prefer to sit in your armchair and not know the plan? Novel approach. There is presently no plan, no timetable of events, no activities within SNP to promote Indy, nothing. There is a word salad that is meaningless. Who is the SNP person directly in charge of Indy activities? After a decade or so of competent transparent government we have had a four year shambles, a noticeable fall in provision across healthcare, education and infrastructure, and the loss of one million votes. Or are the one million all armchair unionist brits?! And spare me the better than down south mantra. Being slightly better than shit doesn’t work. And even that claim is becoming harder to make. Reform, promoted by the MSM, and facilitated by the BBC is in the process of preparing to install right wing governance in the U K. What do you think they will do to devolved parliaments. The apparent lack of awareness in SNP ranks is staggering. But nothing to see here apart from trouble makers brits, is that right? Good to know.
Delete8:36am,
DeleteGarbage.
If the SNP came up with a fully costed plan for independence that was credible, then support for independence would be a lot higher.
Some time back they produced a series of glossy pamphlets on independence, at no doubt, considerable cost. I don’t recall much mention of the really important issues like currency, pensions, border with England, etc. There’s a lot of questions that need answered, the things that really matter to people.
I’m not holding my breath on Swinney answering these questions anytime soon.
The papers you refer to were much more substantial in volume than pamphlets and all the more useless for it. Try finding someone who read them in detail. We know what gets the attention of and the votes of the electorate. It is the opposite of what these publications tried to do. Putting Independence front and centre of election materials and putting it in the election ballot papers would be a start. Has anyone seen the SNP output following on from the CEO of Octopus confirming that Scotland should be enjoying significantly cheaper electricity? Me neither. There is no Indy impetus or enthusiasm within SNP. It’s self evident.
DeleteAch, there's always Alba.
DeleteSpeaking of brain dead SNP members. Here is Anon at 11.49. Yet again. Even although no one is suggesting voting for Alba, indeed quite the opposite. Now there is stupid and then there is Anon at 11.49. Tell us the Indy plan, and what you are doing to progress and promote it?
DeleteCampbell and his pathetic wee bunch of total rejects will continue with their main mission to destroy the SNP at all costs.
ReplyDeleteThey are already in bed with Reform and other extreme right and pretend-left unionist garbage in that respect, so should be treated in exactly the same way as their new anti-independence pals.
Flush them all down the nearest drain.
Absolutely.
DeleteUse Mr Muscle.
Works every time with crap like them.
Unless Swinney puts independence first and foremost in the run up to the HR election, ideally making it a de facto referendum, the SNP won’t be getting my vote.
ReplyDeleteSo many promises on independence in recent years, but no action. I won’t vote for Alba or any other irrelevant indy party, but will abstain unless the SNP up the anti considerably on independence.
Get real, for goodness sake.
DeleteYou honestly think that Scottish unionists will abstain just because their parties are not perfect or pure enough for them?
No, they will continue to vote for those parties because they are focused on the bigger picture of maintaining their precious union.
Indy Scots must vote as ruthlessly as those unionists.
Anon at 10.06am - you miss the obvious difference when laying out your comparison.
DeleteThe Scottish unionists, as you call them, know that by voting for the English controlled parties they will keep Scotland as their possession.
Independence supporters no longer have any faith in the SNP leadership to progress independence if they vote SNP.
Surprising that people like you still refer to a union and unionists. The union is a sham. It has always been a sham from day one.
I want justice but I won’t vote. Well that will work. Britnats are trembling.
DeleteIndependence for Scotland,
DeleteYou certainly do not speak for the majority of indy supporters, you pompous balloon.
In fact, I think most contributors on here know exactly who you do speak for - a mix of Alba Wings Reform diddies.
No wonder your posts are now routinely ridiculed.
Anon troll at. 11.07am tries the old trick of erecting a straw man. I never said I speak for the majority of independence supporters. As I have said many times I express my own opinions but trolls like you just love to lie and misrepresent because you cannae think of any valid points to make.
DeleteHe then without any embarrassment does what he accuses me of doing. The diddy is actually trying to speak for " most contributors on here". The only thing ridiculous is the troll at 11.07am. No wonder these diddies post as an anon. Too cowardly to use a constant moniker. I suggest you use SNP Ultra Troll.
Justice for Scotland - Anas Sarwar thanks you.
DeleteJfS,
Delete“de facto” referendum.
LOL
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Anon at 12.28pm is KC who like all the Britnats is running scared of a de facto referendum.
DeleteLOL.
DeleteThere’ll never be such a thing as a “de facto” referendum, and fine you know it IFS.
Remind me of when the last such event took place?😀
There will never be a de facto referendum as long as Britnats are running the SNP.
DeleteKC if you need reminding then your early dementia is kicking in.
I agree with nearly everything James says.
ReplyDeleteThe main problem with those who pedal "the SNP are devolutionists" mantra (other than being incredibly silly) is they don't take into account that around 50% of Scotland doesn't actually support independence. All versions of UDI are only remotely plausible in the imagination of those divorced from reality.
Just as bad are those who think the SNP should only be an independence pressure group and not the Government of Scotland. This expresses itself in the totally self-defeating criticism of SNP MPs somehow "getting comfortable". As far as the London media are concerned, Independence is irrelevant because the SNP was wiped out in the last General Election.
Folk might think the media don't matter, but it's the biggest obstacle for the de facto Referendum idea (which is not the silver bullet some think it is). You can be sure Unionist parties would - with some justification - say the election is on the SNP's record, and if that's what the media decide it is, then de facto, it's not a de facto referendum. And even if some went with that narrative and independence parties did poll 50%, it's not obvious why this would be any less vulnerable to "Westminster says no". There might be a bit of moral pressure, but that's basically it. You can also be sure that the London media would only count the SNP vote.
I don't think there is literally anything that could have been done in the last ten years. If the SNP lose seats in an election, it's a setback. There's no point saying elections like 2017 were "objectively" good results, because it's all about political narrative. In some ways, the SNP majority of 2011 and GE landslide in 2015 have set an unrealistically high bar for the London-based media and Westminster to take notice.
However folk might wish otherwise, there is no shortcut to independence. And whether folk like it or not, only the SNP performance really matters. It doesn't matter how high support for independence is in opinion polls. If the SNP are not trouncing the other parties in a way that the media takes notice, independence is not on the agenda.
It's going to take an excellent result for the SNP (and in practice, this means a majority or close to it) in 2026 followed by an appalling result for Labour in the next GE along with a spectacular SNP result, and a significant sustained uptick in support for independence before there's a realistic opportunity for another referendum.
And in response to the "what if Westminster says no?" objection, the fact is there is *no* route that bypasses Westminster. That's just a fact and there's no point pretending otherwise.
Well said.
DeletePaul, I can see your white flag from here. Is it hiding a union flag?
Deleteit would be helpful if you could say why you disagree with what I've said without resorting to quisling/surrender monkey/closet BritNat rhetoric.
DeletePaul,
DeleteExcellent post.
You talk a lot of sense, and quite why ifs dismisses your post I don’t understand.
Paul at 11.27am helpful to who? Here is a starter for you. Why did Sturgeon promise Indyref2 all these years if you think " there is literally nothing that could have been done in the last ten years."?
DeletePaul, you are not happy about my comment about white flag yet you are happy to call me " incredibly silly" . Put your own house in order first.
DeletePaul, have some sympathy for IfS, he can't help himself.
DeletePaul you refer to " the Government of Scotland ". That comment undermines you and your analysis. The devolved Parliament is far from a true government. Indeed there is nothing to stop a Reform UK government in a few years time reforming it down to next to nothing or obliterating it completely. Your we cannae do anything about independence analysis ignores this possibility.
DeleteThere is a route that bypasses Westminster. Actually there are two. One involves bloodshed which I hope no one would pursue. The second is carrying out a lawful democratic process showing the will of the Scottish people and the subsequent exercise of our inalienable right of self determination through judicial process. Long and tortuous, but in reality it would be a leverage tactic.
DeleteAnon 2:16.
DeleteLOL.
Paul what you - and James say - is not true, there are other options. Many. And you should know them by now. But the big lie in the SNP is that they promise something and deliver nothing after a while people give up. The SNP as a party of independence is a fraud. If you know you can't deliver without permission you are a fraud. Eleven years of 'please master?' they're really thinking that will get more votes? They are a joke party. They offer nothing but lies. There would have been more content in a yawn from Swinney than that offering. The man should be ashamed of himself.
DeleteAnon 2:16 is on the right track in my view.
DeleteThe judicial process would be part of a learning curve for us all on the myth of politically neutral law. What the next step would be would depend on levels of support and understanding of the duplicity and domineering the British state.
'of' missing in last sentence above - sorry.
DeletePaul asks me to critique his post so I ask him a simple question and he goes silent.
DeletePaul wants us to accept that Westminster has a veto over our freedom. Sounds like the sort of thing a House Jock would say.
Anon at 2.36. Your post reflects your level of intellect. Well done you, what a contribution. Leave informed discussion to us. It’s so above your pay grade.
DeleteCan’t be, we leave that to ifs and his cronies.
ReplyDeleteAnon @10.43 You can’t even put your post in the correct place.
DeleteTalk of abstaining in elections, whether Holyrood or Westminster is ill advised.
ReplyDeleteIn one sense, this was Morgan McSweeney’s strategy. It worked in Labour Party internal elections for constituency candidates. The number of verifiable, in person votes were so small that they could easily be overturned by postal votes with questionable provenance.
Time and time again, local candidates to stand in last years GE were pipped at the post by carpetbaggers promoted by Labour HQ in London (run by Morgan McSweeney).
Q: And who counted the postal votes?
A: Labour Party HQ.
Beneficiaries of this phenomenon included McSweeney’s wife at Hamilton and Clyde Valley, and professional Zionist propagandist Luke Akehurst in North Durham.
Arguably it worked for McSweeney at the 4th July GE, but this doesn’t mean it would work again. The effect of suppressed turnout when applied to First Past the Post, is to increase volatility. The beneficiaries at the next UK GE would likely be RefUK.
Hold your nose and vote SNP. Throw a metaphorical grenade into the ballot box and vote for any fringe, outsider whose manifesto you think threatens the Permanent State the most. Just don’t withdraw your vote entirely.
"the only game left in town" is a laughably bad metaphor.
ReplyDelete3 card monte
find the lady
3 cups one coin
...
shall I go on? What about "bait and switch"? (Demo Max, The Vow, a Federal UK)
when the only game is a game whose rules are set by your opponent so you can never win, you must stop playing
And then do what ?
DeleteNo wonder ifs and his bunch of cronies and aliases are consistently fuming.
ReplyDeleteThe more they spout their venom at the SNP, the more that party's vote seems to increase.
Wings, Alba, Liberate Scotland, Peter Bell etc....are finished.
Well and truly flushed down the pan.
Anon troll at 11.23am - I don't have " a bunch of cronies". This idea only exists in your very disturbed mind that is obsessed with me.
DeleteThe SNP leadership have created a situation where an outstanding win for the SNP in any or multiple elections will not deliver independence.
The SNP leadership have also created a situation where a major loss in any or multiple elections will not deliver independence.
The solution is to change the SNP leadership to people who will actually progress Scottish independence.
People like anon at 11.23am are the problem. They are Westminster's little helpers.
Which is rich coming from you. Westminster loves Nats like you.
DeleteHere is a way for the SNP to regain their credibility among the nationalists
ReplyDelete- take no wages, leave it all in an escrow account, until Scotland is independent
that would get my vote.
"the nationalists", eh?
DeleteAnon at 11.27. Can you work out what gave you away? Have a wee try. What a thick wee unionist you are. Silly billy.
DeleteI see the shit stirring IFS is back this morning.
ReplyDeleteI see the mentally disturbed trolls who are obsessed with me have woken up. These trolls tell me to go away, (adhering to the recent standard SNP feature of cancelling people), then bizarrely when I don't post when on holiday they bemoan me not posting as all they have in their pathetic lives is trolling. Try taking a holiday from trolling even if you cannae afford a real holiday. It may help your mental well being.
DeleteTaking the piss out of you (in person or in absentia)is not bemoaning your absence. You do understand that?
DeleteSorry to say that one of the mentally disturbed trolls at 3.13pm has not taken my advice and taken a holiday. Some of us want independence but people like 3.13pm wallow in posting nothing but personal abuse.
DeleteIFS. Tell me what in the post at 3.13 constitutes personal abuse?? Hint. There isn’t anything. Try harder thicko. Now that’s personal abuse.
DeleteAn SNP ultra troll above at 11.07am says I speak for " a mix of Alba, Wings, Reform diddies". Like all trolls he is a liar.
ReplyDeleteAlba - are a disaster and I don't support them.
Wings - I could never support Campbell as he has recommended that people vote for London controlled parties and he supports the genocide of Palestinians.
Reform - are an extreme right wing party Colonial party that sees Scotland as its colony just like the rest of the Britnat parties and I do not support them.
Will this clear statement stop these trolls lying. No chance - trolls lie and they will keep on lying.
Spouting your colony nonsense again IFS eh.
DeleteOh dear, talk about embarrassing!
KC at 4.54pm you clearly do not get embarrassed by lying as you are a troll.
DeleteSwinneys plan is to ask permission for a referendum, again, which will be denied, again.
ReplyDeleteWith a straight face, you're going to ask us to give him 5 years of power in exchange for that?
Its not good enough.
Bloody right it’ll be denied. You had your once in a generation referendum in 2014, and lost.
DeleteGet over it and move on!
I didn't get to vote I was 12
DeleteI see our very own wee dafty is back. Village complement back up to full. Excellent. Hopefully the treatment sessions he was having will prove more effective than the last lot. Unfortunately his brain hasn’t reset. It’s still I hate N S, I hate SNP. Nothing to propose. No constructive comments. Almost as though he is just a wee saddo in his room playing out his unnatural hatred of one woman and an organisation. Strange wee man.
ReplyDeleteAnon @2.34pm is so pathetic at trolling he forgets to say who his abuse is directed towards. What a failure.
DeleteIs anon at 4.34 attempting satire. Sadly no. He is that stupid. How are you IFS?
Deletethe best hope for scottish indy is for putin to nuke the shite out of south east england as part of a long justified policing operation
ReplyDelete- then we can ask for a section 30 from a thin layer of radioactive dust 20 miles above us
still more likely than "trust the SNP"