Thursday, May 8, 2025

Titbits from the Survation data tables: it looks as if 2014 weighting has once again transformed a Yes lead into a No lead

The Survation data tables are now out, and accordingly I can address the question that someone asked me yesterday about the impact of 2014 recalled vote weighting on the independence numbers.  On the raw unweighted numbers, Yes are ahead by 54% to 46% (compared to a 51% to 49% lead for No in the published headline results).  It doesn't necessarily follow that Yes would have such a big lead if you simply stripped out the 2014 weighting, because other more innocuous demographic weightings are also applied, but nevertheless it does look likely that 2014 weighting has once again been enough to transform a Yes lead into a No lead.

Survation would probably say that is fully justified, because there are far too many Yes voters from 2014 in the raw sample, perhaps because independence supporters are more highly motivated to join online polling panels in the first place.  But more than a decade after the referendum, that's becoming a harder argument to sustain.  Ipsos have publicly stated that one of the reasons they don't weight by recalled indyref vote is the danger of false recall, which presumably becomes a bigger and bigger problem with every passing year.  I also suspect there might be a phenomenon of people who in retrospect wish they had voted Yes saying they actually did so.

A few months ago, our resident unionist trolls were trying to implant the idea that the traditional age divide on independence was becoming less clear-cut and that the very youngest voters were becoming more unionist.  There's certainly no sign of that pattern in this poll: 16-24 year olds would vote Yes by a monumental 83% to 17% margin, outstripping 25-34 year olds, who would 'only' vote Yes by 72% to 28%.  The youngest age group that would (narrowly) vote No is 45-54 year olds.

There's a similar neat pattern in party political voting intentions, with the Reform vote going up with each successive age group, apart from over-65s who to their credit ruin things by being less pro-Reform than 55-64 year olds.  The opposite pattern is seen with support for Greens - they have 28% support with 16-24 year olds, but only 5% with over-65s.  

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I've been asked whether in spite of my issues with the Alba Party, I would at least give Kenny MacAskill some credit for supposedly "reaching out" and trying to build "pro-independence unity" for the 2026 election.  The answer is a flat no, and that's simply because of the neverending incongruity between what Alba say and what they actually do.  You can't run a Mafia-style organisation that regularly expels good independence supporters for factional reasons and still expect to be taken seriously when you innocently issue calls for unity.  You can't vote in the Scottish Parliament to bring down a pro-independence government (as Ash Regan did last year) and still expect independence supporters to trust you when, with a sense of entitlement the size of Saturn, you demand that they lend you their vote on a supposedly "tactical" pro-indy basis.  You certainly can't expect much trust when you do a grubby deal to prop up the minority Tory administration on South Ayrshire Council in return for nothing more than an extra title and a fatter monetary allowance for the local Alba councillor.  And when a senior Alba member calls openly for the abolition of the Scottish Parliament just because of some obscure dispute over the deputy convenership of a committee, the issue goes beyond trust.  Yes supporters will quite rightly wonder whether a belief in independence and self-government are even in Alba's DNA, or whether if you scratch deep enough you'd find something very different there.  

At the very least, the empirical evidence demonstrates that Alba's leadership would always sell the independence movement down the river for a bauble or two without a second thought.  Yes, it's true that I remained committed to Alba until I was betrayed by people I had been foolish enough to trust (McEleny, Ahmed-Sheikh, Josh Robertson, Hamish Vernal and perhaps even Salmond himself to some extent), but that was simply because I didn't want to change parties too casually, and I thought the priority had to be to fight for positive change within the party I was actually a member of.  But my misgivings were always there in private.  Now that I've been expelled by the Stalinist extremists who own the party, I owe Alba no further loyalty and am free to say what I see.  And what I see of Alba is not pretty.  It's certainly not an organisation worthy of the trust of any independence supporter.

16 comments:

  1. There would be no independence referendum in the first term of a Plaid Cymru-led government, its leader has said.

    Rhun ap lorwerth told BBC Walescast his "number one priority" would be getting to grips with health, education and the economy.

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    1. It's a statement of the obvious in a sense, because even if Plaid lead the administration there will be no pro-independence majority in the Senedd. But as with the SNP, the question this poses is whether Plaid are genuinely committed to independence or whether they're just paying lip service to it.

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  2. Probably in charge but not with 50% +

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  3. Find Out Now’s latest poll has Reform at a 13 point lead. Extinction for the two major parties if it’s true.

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  4. An excellent piece of writing James!!!

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  5. Another potential issue is they still weight by EU referendum also, I imagine given the high levels of people who think it's not been a success there's a higher chance of false recall there also. Pre weighting the sample is is 67 to 33 saying they voted Remain.

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  6. Alba was never designed as a political party, it was created to stop the SNP progressing independence under Nicola Sturgeon
    Salmond the devo max man created a hate cult out of Wingsy Campbell's dreams

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  7. Find out now showing Reform on 33 percent.

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  8. if the underminers now of Plaid and SNP want to test how serious both parties are about independence get them above 50%. I somehow think the underminers who want not to vote for independence parties or demand the right to be abstentionists. For the latter we know that means they are britnats

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    1. Don't you mean MEGA (Make England Great Again) by keeping hold of Scotland to bleed every asset dry until the last drop

      England is a blood sucking Parasite, it's why they don't have an empire anymore, 65 countries threw the infestation of England out of their countries

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    2. Anon@11:52pm,
      Keep up the good work! People like you are one of the reasons Scotland will never be independent. The majority of the Scottish people want nothing to do with your anti English rhetoric, they read comments like yours and say to themselves, independence no thank you.
      You are a disgrace and embarrassment to Scotland.

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    3. As per Professors Crawford and Boyle for the Better Together Campaign.
      a) The Kingdom of England was renamed Great Britain and
      b) the Kingdom of Scotland was extinguished.
      Google "Annex A Opinion: Referendum on the Independence of Scotland - International Law Aspects"

      So Anonymous at 8:15 seems to be correct in his assertion and Scotland was defrauded as the Treaty of Union was, de facto, discarded and Scotland colonised by deception.

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  10. I was open minded about Alba until I saw the first polling.Even under Salmond they struggled to get just 2% of the vote (not the 5% required to have any real chance), and it was obvious that all they were doing was damaging the pro-independence vote.

    As James has pointed out, in real life all those imaginary tactical voting schemes do not work in a Holyrood election. This is true whether it is Unionist tactical voting or voting Alba on the list. In general , tactical voting simply does not work in a proportional system like AMS, and attempts to do so, are just as likely to have the opposite effect to that intended. Anyone telling you otherwise is trying to mislead you.


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    1. People didn't vote for Alba because of anything tactical, they just didn't like or trust Salmond, they saw right through him

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