Thursday, November 14, 2024

Whatever else happens, the SNP *must* avoid triggering an unnecessary by-election in Stephen Flynn's seat - that's priority number one

I agree with a lot of the comments that have been made about Stephen Flynn's attempt to get a seat at Holyrood.  There's an obvious double standard in forbidding dual mandates simply to put a spanner in the works for one SNP faction, and then suddenly deciding dual mandates are absolutely fine when it suits the interests of the ruling faction.  And while in principle there's nothing wrong with standing against an incumbent constituency MSP in a party selection (internal party democracy dictates that nobody should have a guaranteed seat for life), the optics are terrible because it's such an obvious case of punching downwards - the challenger is far more powerful and influential than the person he is challenging, and he's essentially trampling all over her in the service of raw ambition, much as Douglas Ross did to David Duguid.  I don't really agree that this has got anything to do with "men" and "women", though, because ultimately Flynn's factional advantages can be traced back to Nicola Sturgeon.

Flynn's justifications have been almost comically insincere at every step along the way.  In the immediate aftermath of the general election he said that the possibility of switching to Holyrood was not uppermost in his thoughts, when in reality he must have already been plotting in some detail how he was going to do it.  Then when he made the announcement, he insisted he was only doing it because there was so much interest from others in what he might do - nothing to do with the fact that there was a deadline to put himself forward and he could scarcely challenge a sitting MSP in conditions of total secrecy.  Most ludicrously of all, he claimed the reason for his decision was to avoid "sitting out" an important electoral contest for Aberdeen, as if the only conceivable alternative to muscling in and seeking a dual mandate was to let voters down by being a passive bystander.  Well, why end there, Stephen?  Why not seek a perpetual triple mandate by standing in every single local election, Scottish Parliament election and Westminster election?  If you don't, you're bound to let the people of Aberdeen down by being a bystander at least two-thirds of the time, and that would be a frightful, beastly, caddish thing to do.

I know we like our politicians to be confident and to have the gift of the gab, but when the self-serving insincerity is quite so transparent, I wonder if it does more harm than good.  My biggest concern now is that because the backlash against Flynn's antics has been so severe, there may be pressure on him to do a partial U-turn and accept the same rule that applied to Joanna Cherry.  That would be the worst of all worlds, because it would lead to a by-election that the SNP could easily lose.  The best solution to this problem would be for Flynn to accept that he already has an important job as leader of the fourth largest group at Westminster (bigger than Reform UK, bigger than the Greens, bigger than Jeremy Corbyn's group of independents) and to dedicate himself to it.  But if he insists on switching to Holyrood, the least worst outcome is for others to accept his dual mandate for a couple of years, albeit perhaps with a disapproving frown.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - after the Rutherglen debacle, the SNP have got to learn to stop chucking away parliamentary seats like confetti.  They've lost quite enough seats already, so whatever else happens they must avoid being reduced from nine to eight.

38 comments:

  1. Not really interested in Flynn pushing in up here. People seem to overestimate his ability, and I see no leadership qualities in the context of pushing Indy and ousting the devolution brigade. Another act of folly by SNP. Both feet and now the head.

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    1. Flynn has all the qualities it takes to be the next John Swinney.

      I don’t mean that as a compliment! Swinney’s a factional wrangler with an earnest poker face, as well, and just as uninterested in independence. Two salaries and a win for Team Nicola, though? EMERGENCY PRIORITY!

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    2. In fairness to Swinney he is a good administrator and a capable politician but he is not leadership quality and does not prioritise Independence. Neither does Stephen Flynn which is a problem.

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    3. The hype surrounding SF is a complete mystery to me. He keeps being pushed as different from other politicians or an "interesting character", neither of which seem to be based on anything. A Humza waiting to happen

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  2. Alba doing great are they?

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    1. Might be worth readingbthe post before commenting. It isn't about Alba. It's about Steven Flynn.

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    2. Dr. Jim up late on the pills again.

      Next up: the swivel eyed Alba Loyalist (surely not Chris McEleny) to complain that this post is insufficiently positive about Alba…

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    3. What has this post got to do with Alba?

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  3. Flynn is clearly making it up as he goes along. But he does have the right to decide he doesn't want to work in London any more, and try for a job back home in Scotland. Many of us have had a similar choice, but it's take a chance and face the possible loss.

    What he doesn't have any right to do is pretend to do 2 jobs - MP and MSP, plus Westminster Leader, plus spending time trying to ingratiate himself to win the next leadership election. Hence "4 jobs" Flynn.

    But he is not a slave, so should not be pinned down in Westminster against his will. He has human rights like the rest of us.

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    1. I don't by the way think he should have to stand down as an MP before being allowed to stand for election as an MSP - like they did to Cherry, but also to Limogate Gray. In the old days I found a new job before giving notice on the old one - which is standard. Even politicians should have normal employment rights!

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    2. I would make it law that election to a chamber (be it Holyrood or the local council) annuls the winner’s previous mandates and triggers by elections automatically.

      I also firmly agree with James’s powerful “punching down” argument. The WM leader barging in and punching a standing MSP out of her publicly elected position—a female no less—is utterly abhorrent, whichever party is doing it.

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    3. It’s not abhorrent and her being a woman is irrelevant. But the optics are so bad and invite allegations of hypocrisy and double standards.

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    4. Agree 100% with Anon @ 8.27 👍

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  4. Another issue they face is that people don't have selective memories & their heads don't zip up the back.

    We all remember how heavily the SNP criticised Douglas Ross for having a dual mandate at Holyrood and Westminster. Making the argument that being an MSP is a very demanding job (as is an MP) and that constituents deserve a full time elected representative in both Parliaments. Saying and I quote: "The days of dual mandates should be consigned to history".

    The public aren't massive fans of hypocrisy on that scale.

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    1. Going by the infamous HCA “hate monster” campaign, Scotgov believes the Scottish people are literally Muppets, not even metaphorically.

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  5. I vote for the SNP nowadays as just a lesser evil among the devolutionists. It's much the same as I voted Labour for forty plus years while living in England.

    From friends still in the SNP I hear that Mr. Flynn is just as slippery and evasive on independence as the rest. The party's new line of making a separation between working for our national self determination and 'responsible and effective government' confirms them as Scotland's Parnell party - a dead end that probably wont change back.

    If his face fits he will be found a seat whatever hypocrisy it involves. Constructive energy for independence needs to go elsewhere - not the SNP and that includes even the smiliest of their troughers !

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    1. I mind the old argument that George Robertson was wrong when he infamously said "Devolution will kill Nationalism stone dead." Au contriare! We have an indy majority in Holyrood and we held an indyref. Nationalism was thriving… in 2014.

      But since then, with the SNP's complicity in devolution, I’m not so sure Robertson wasn't right all along. It wasn't devolution which killed nationalism, though, but the SNP choosing devolution over independence.

      We can argue whether nationalism is "dead"—clearly not, as half of Scotland still wants it in the polls—but from London's point of view it might as well be. Where's the imminent danger of the breakup of the UK? Where did all the nippy wee nats go? Did they grow up and learn to love their colony after all? Bless them!

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  6. I very much doubt SF will give up his Westminster seat. His shouty performance calling out the Speaker was the highlight of his political career. He'll never have that limelight at Holyrood.
    I knew that banning Cherry from standing as an MSP candidate would come back to bite the SNP. If they push through Stephen Flynn's attempt to do the same it will be another bad news day for the party, and they've hardly been short of those in recent times.

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  7. Ah, but Flynn isn’t the only one trying to engineer the leap from Westminster to Holyrood. Stephen Gethins is also on manoeuvres. That means his controllers in Vauxhall Cross or Foggy Bottom must judge that his contribution to keeping a devolutionist SNP as just that, is met better as an MSP.

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    1. I thought that everyone wanted politicians at Holyrood?

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    2. People want politicians?

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  8. The whole idea of independence is nuts.
    It beggars belief that 4 in 10 Scots somehow think it’s a good idea.

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  9. as does your email beggar belief. its over 50 %

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  10. All of this has just supported my opinion that Stephen Flynn is a chancer. Good at the soundbite but no depth of analysis or development of an argument.

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    1. Yes. In many ways he's the opposite of a traditional conviction politician. Like Wishart, he's happy to vehemently support the party line whichever way the wind blows without ever developing a political identity of his own.
      He's very thoroughly settled in down there. There's plenty like him in WM.

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    2. I mind Lesley Riddoch and Pat Joyce praising him highly on their pod, a few months ago. Changed tune quite the bit now!

      Those two were mad for Humza over Kate, as well. What a solid record.

      Whatever's drawing them to these toom tabbards I do not know. Humza was a hapless stooge, clear for all to see, and so is Flynn. We all know exactly how this goes. These men aren't any more complex than they appear.

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    3. Jacob 72 definitely not the brightest. Does his best.

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  11. Jacob and Anon (?IFS) 2 britnats chatting amongst themselves

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    1. I agree with Anon at 1:50 pm. Most of the comments today are bland assertions from people who've never met S Flynn and who would soil themselves if they had to stand up to speak in WM or Holyrood.

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    2. So are we all queuing up to apologise to Douglas Ross now or?

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    3. Anon at 3.11. Stephen is a devolutionist. Devolutionist are strangling Indy. His Westminster performances are mediocre. The unionists do not even bother heckling him?

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  12. The seat is a slam dunk SNP hold after the low watershed of the GE. We should be talking about gaining seats now rather than losing them.

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  13. I'm still waiting for Frankie goes to Holyrood.

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  14. The SNP are an obstruction to independence. They deliberately squandered the huge support, popularity and they know it.mandate that they had.

    Stephen Flynn is just a piece of political scum that has floated to the surface. What difference does he make.None, absolutely none. For him Westminster or Hollywood or both it's only about a paid sinecure, somewhere to get a good pay and pension for delivering nothing.

    I understand your sentiment James about the SNP losing another seat. They will that.

    Moreover it was announced last week that around half of the SNP headquarter staff are being made redundant the future is well understood.

    Better that they were gone altogether so that something new can emerge.

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  15. Given Stephen Flynn's stated intention to give up his seat at WM if he gets into Holyrood (which presumably is also true of Gethins and Doogan), perhaps the powers that be in the SNP would like to address the potential expenditure of up to £300,000 on three by-elections based on the party's past practice. Are they going to pass this cost onto branches and constituency associations across Scotland? If they do I expect a lot of activists would just walk away.

    If they want to stop their party and the Yes movement looking like the inheritors of the worst aspects of Scottish Labour they should 1) apply the same rules as at the previous election and require any MP who wishes to move to Holyrood to resign as an MP first 2) use the candidate assessment process to ensure that any MP who tries to do this is not acting in the best interests of the party and remove them from the approved list of candidates.

    The irony is that what Stephen Flynn has done is to demonstrate for all to see that it would be a disaster for the SNP if he became its leader. How the unionists must be enjoying this slow motion car crash.

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