Tuesday, June 4, 2024

A good night for John Swinney - but STV yet again do their weird "let's start the debate by telling voters how they're going to vote" thing

Apologies for not finishing my post last night, but I got back quite late from the Alba adoption meeting in Airdrie.  Before I fell asleep, I started watching the STV leaders' debate on catch-up - I'm interested to make my own mind up about John Swinney's performance, because there was a division on social media between a lot of 'ordinary' folk saying that he'd done really well, and sneering journalists saying that he'd flopped.  So far I'm agreeing more with the ordinary folk, who after all are the target audience anyway.  Swinney has his limitations, we all know that - he isn't a Salmond or a Sturgeon in terms of charisma, or a Kate Forbes for that matter, but within the scope of his abilities as a debater he seemed to be doing pretty well.  Remember that his opponents aren't exactly titans of debate either, and I've always thought that Sarwar in particular is bizarrely overrated.  (Paul Hutcheon of the Record declaring Sarwar the winner of the debate was the most predictable moment of the evening - he probably wrote his headline before the debate even took place.)

Alex Cole-Hamilton's "we're having a great election, just look at the smile on my face" will live long in the memory as the worst line delivered in any election debate, anywhere in the world, ever.

For years now, I've been pointing out STV's bizarre habit of starting election debates with lengthy references to the results of an opinion poll.  The whole purpose of a debate, surely, is to help voters decide how they want to vote, not to tell them how they're going to vote.  But on a day when there were two MRP polls published, one of which showed the SNP winning a majority and the other did not, it was particularly indefensible of STV to start the debate with lengthy references to one poll only, as if the other didn't exist or didn't matter.  For the life of me, I don't know why Swinney didn't fire back with the More in Common numbers when asked about the YouGov poll - he really missed a trick there.

Nigel Farage's announcement yesterday is one of those moments that we might look back on and realise that it didn't change anything and that we got over-excited about it, or it might be a really big moment in political history.  I'm leaning more towards the latter.  Suddenly Reform UK are ticking all the boxes - Farage is leader, he's standing as a candidate, and his party is standing in every seat, so there's nothing to stop the people of England electing him as Prime Minister if they want to.  They won't, of course, because there's a natural ceiling on Reform support which is probably somewhere in the mid-20s.  That was enough to put the party ahead (in their previous guise of the Brexit Party) in a handful of polls in the unusual circumstances of 2019, but it'll leave them well short in the current scenario of Labour polling in the 40s.  But if they hit their ceiling, it's going to cause carnage for the Conservative Party.  The idea that the Tories may not even be the official opposition after this election is no longer fanciful.

In Scotland the effect won't be so transformative because the Tories have so much less to lose here.  But because the SNP are the main rivals to the Tories pretty much anywhere the Tories are competitive, it could end up at least modestly boosting the SNP's seat tally, and you could see Douglas Ross was genuinely worried about that prospect last night.

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I've profiled the constituency of Argyll, Bute and South Lochaber for The National - you can read the piece HERE.

40 comments:

  1. With Farage standing, a conservative wipeout in Scotland is possible

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    1. Not under FPTP.

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    2. Anon at 9.06: That's such a bizarrely misleading reply that I almost feel I should delete it. It's precisely FPTP that makes a Tory wipeout possible. It certainly wouldn't be possible under any form of PR.

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    3. No, because I think Tactical voting to keep SNP out will trump the desire to vote Reform.

      The likely voters for Reform in Scotland hate the SNP more than they like Reform or Farage. They aren’t stupid either - under a FPTP system they will vote whoever’s most likely to beat the SNP, which isn’t Reform.

      I’m personally more concerned about Reform at Holyrood 2026 on the List. They could be Alba easily, possibly even Lib Dem or Green.

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  2. Who are More in Common anyway?
    I take it this is a new polling outfit just started up.

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    1. Just like Redfield & Wilton, you mean? Most polling firms currently operating are relatively new.

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    2. I tend to go by the more established firms like Ipsos.

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    3. Agreed, Ipsos are one of the few established firms still operating, and they had the SNP with a decent lead in their most recent poll. It'll be interesting to see their next one.

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    4. Ipsos are also the only phone pollster, which gives their good results for the SNP even more credibility.

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    5. Couldn’t agree more.
      For reliability I think Ipsos are a level above the rest. Probably only Find Out Now come close to them.

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  3. If the Tories are reduced to very few seats in Westminster, is this going to affect their leadership contest? Isn't it in their rules that the leader has to be an MP ?

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    1. Yes, Farage could merge the two parties in that scenario and become leader.

      I still think Tories will take >50 seats though. Reform maybe a dozen. We’ll see. Quite a excited & saddened by the whole thing.

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  4. “He really missed a trick there” - that’s not unusual. The SNP are always missing tricks. When asked about climate change and more oil fields being approved I have yet to hear them point out that Better Together in 2014 said there was no oil left.

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    1. Aren't you clever, nobody else in the world already knew that

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    2. Well if it’s so bloody obvious, and it is, why don’t the SNP politicians shout it from the rooftops. No need to answer that.

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    3. They leave it to you! You know everything. Surprised your not standing in the election or are you? lol

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    4. lol -you may think your post is funny I very much doubt if anyone else does other than boring old SNP farts.

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  5. It’s all very well the Tories getting a kicking but it’s happened before and they have come back. I would much rather Scotland was an independent country. Can’t see it any time soon with people like Swinney in charge.

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    1. While we are all busy giving the tories a kicking the real threat, Labour, are going relatively unchallenged. Swinney needs to call Sarwar out for basically telling lies about Labour commitments. Why is he not explicitly doing so?

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    2. What about all the SNP failures during the past 17 years?

      Any update on when Glen Sannox is likely to enter service? Or is it still too early to say?

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    3. It will sail don't worry. Still in capital projects HS2 and the new nuke power station in England which we paid for too are well in excess x10 in costs and long overdue. HS2 will never reach the border but then if never was intended too. It wont even reach the "North" or Wales. Still in Scotland the Queensferry Crossing is up and running, Edinburgh trams bailed out by the SNP to save liebour and Lib dems and other projects delayed as a result. SNP completed the M74 is now just accepted by the public. New bridge over the Clyde nearly there ,Aberdeen bypass completed, A9 improved but more to be done. At the same time we had labours PFI fiasco, financial crash, tory and lib dems austerity, brexir, Johnson lies, Truss ignorance of everything and sunak' racist rants and Rwanda.

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    4. Also worth pointing out:

      * Queensferry Crossing - Began under Salmond
      * Edinburgh Trams - Bailed out under Salmond
      * M74 Completion - Took place under Salmond
      * Aberdeen Bypass - Planning and initial works began under Salmond
      * A9 Improvements - Began under Salmond

      It's a shame that we need to keep going back to Salmond to find the SNP's best accomplishments.

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    5. Independence action started under Salmond ended under Sturgeon.

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    6. Anon at 10.09. Info all readily available. Get up off your unionist arse and look for it. You’ll be wanting to get in shape for all that marching in July anyway.

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    7. Noone is paying for the new English nuke - it's privately financed so no taxpayers money. And HS2 costs aren't attributed to Scotland, so take your grievances and sod off.

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  6. John Swinney was excellent. It was a smart move of team SNP to install him.

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    1. We have to accept he’s scored a spectacular own goal in continuing to back Matheson over the iPad scandal though.

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    2. His refusal to just say Yes or No to new oil licences in the North Sea was very noticeable though.

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    3. If they are that smart then why didn’t they install/elevate him instead of Yousaf. Answers on a postcard must include the criminal investigation and the word patsy.

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    4. Ironically at the time Swinney said that the SNP needed new blood, a fresh approach to move things forward...

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  7. So, there's a far right conference in Edinburgh, thousands of students protest, and the police pick 3 different empty pubs to lock in Sunak, Starmer and Farage for an hour. For some odd reason you too have to be locked in to one of them - which one do you reluctantly choose?

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    1. At the very least Farage enjoys a drink and probably looks "normal" in a pub and probably a laugh after a few pints.

      Sunak would act like an alien who's just laned discovering a pub for the first time and Starmer probably orders a White Wine Spritzer and usually goes home after just the one.

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  8. I noticed that Anas Sarwar and Alex Cole-Hamilton seemed to be helping each other out in the debate, giving each other soft-ball questions. I wonder if they've already had talks about potentially forming a coalition in 2026?

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    1. Inevitable bedfellows.

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    2. Almost certainly.

      Also a good reason to back Alba on the List. If they can beat Lid Dems, lowers chance of Lib Dem coalition with Labour.

      Review it closer to the time, but I’ll be voting SNP1 Alba2

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  9. I watched the debate because I too was interested in John Swinney. While there were positives in his performance, his opponents were shown up as struggling B-list politicians. However JS looked old and I though tired. Perhaps it was the STV backdrop - no expense spared there.

    JS's real problem is that his opponents are Sunak and Starmer. The only thing of substance I learned last night was that Douglas Ross was prepared to apologise for Liz Truss messing everything up.

    Will this have led to anyone switching their vote? No, but it might shore up some SNP wavered (me!) which is surely JS's mission.

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    1. I think there's a concern that Sunak and Starmer will come across as better debaters in their head to head.

      Will be seen as: Now that the B-List debate is out of the way here's the actual leaders debating.

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    2. I literally know of no-one who is concerned about that. If anyone looks obviously like a B-list debater, it's Sunak and Starmer themselves.

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