Friday, May 10, 2024

First Savanta survey since Swinney swept in shows sizzling 48% support for independence

Looking back at the dates, it seems to have been 2nd May on which it became obvious that John Swinney was the next SNP leader, so as this poll didn't start until the 3rd, it can be seen to all intents and purposes as the first published poll of the Swinney era.  That said, things can be a little bit different once the public actually see a new leader in the role, rather than just anticipating it, so it'll still be important to see the first polls entirely conducted after Swinney was officially sworn in.

Should Scotland be an independent country? (Savanta, 3rd-8th May 2024)

Yes 48% (-1)
No 52% (+1)

As was the case under Yousaf, the independence numbers appear to have become completely decoupled from trends in SNP support.  Which is just as well in this instance, because the SNP have taken another significant hit in the Westminster voting intention numbers.

Scottish voting intentions for the next UK general election:

Labour 37% (+2)
SNP 33% (-2)
Conservatives 17% (-2)
Liberal Democrats 7% (+1)

I said the other day that much would depend on whether the early polls under Swinney show the SNP vote holding up, or whether there would be a 'Truss effect' whereby the damage caused by the outgoing leader is so great that the new leadership is powerless to repair it.  What has happened appears to be somewhere in between those two outcomes.  The wheels have not come off, so the SNP so still have hope for the general election, but a four-point Labour lead is significant enough to be a cause for concern, especially bearing in mind that: a) the voting system is essentially biased towards Labour in any close result, and b) Westminster election campaigns are 'away fixtures' for the SNP with Labour enjoying far more media coverage beamed direct from London.  So on the face of it, things are more likely to get worse rather than better.  The hope must be that the Swinney/Forbes team can gradually reverse the Yousaf damage before the official campaign period even begins.

Are things better or worse for the SNP in the Holyrood voting intentions?  It's in the eye of the beholder, but personally I would say worse, because it's the all-important list vote that's the killer.

Scottish Parliament constituency ballot:

SNP 35% (-2)
Labour 35% (+2)
Conservatives 18% (-)
Liberal Democrats 8% (+2)

Scottish Parliament regional list ballot:

Labour 32% (+3)
SNP 26% (-2)
Conservatives 18% (-2)
Greens 11% (-2)
Liberal Democrats 10% (+2)

In a strange way, I'm not as worried about the 2026 Holyrood election as I am about this year's general election.  Leadership polling is often more predictive of election results than the headline numbers, and regardless of whether John Swinney or Kate Forbes leads the SNP into the election, I strongly suspect that either one will have an advantage over Sarwar, who will look like an amateur in comparison.  But as far as the general election is concerned, the SNP have played their last major card, and although they certainly haven't played it to its fullest potential, they're just going to have to unite as best they can and make the new arrangement work.  Hopefully this poll marks the low point and the recovery starts from here.

37 comments:

  1. Fizzle me sizzles.

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  2. So the swinney bounce is a real then, absolutely incredible result. Will be interesting to see what the polls are saying. I'd imagine a pretty large jump upwards for the snp vote.

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    1. Pretty straight forward pal, expecting to see a big jump upwards in the snp vote because of John Swinney.

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  3. Rob here, not really expecting an SNP bounce myself, but I'll be more than interested to see if any such SNP bounce can be attributed to Forbes and/or Swinney.

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  4. No bounce, Swinney slump, as we all know Continuity will not cut it……and we go round to drain again.

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  5. Bit early for any obvious correlation between Swinney and the polls. However, the ructions of the previous week appear to have had no detrimental effect which is encouraging.

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  6. I think I agree with you. People want independence regardless of party. The SNP would likely disband or become something else after independence anyway.

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    1. No, they don't. One vote over 50% is enough. That's how democracy works, and look at the UK government. They get elected with mid 30s percentages UK wide, with less in Scotland.

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    2. You have to remember where the vote was before the last referendum in 2014. It can move easily with persuasion and education.

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    3. Are there really still people who think democracy works in England's UK? They'll say no until something bad happens to them then they'll think about it depending on how bad it is

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  7. Prof Curtice has already dismissed any Swinney bounce. He decrees in the Scotsman today that -
    “I think the most interesting question to ask at this point is whether the installation of Swinney has proven an immediate remedy for the SNP's difficulties or perhaps it has done little more than stem the rot that has been occurring under Yousaf. Looks more like the latter.”

    On the day after the new FM's first FMQ's, this smacks of politics rather than psephology!

    Not even the messiah could provide an "immediate remedy".

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    1. Let's not forget Curtice is an Englishman and , almost certainly , a Britnat- when there's v little evidence wishful thinking sets in. Personally I will wait for a few more polls before judging Swinney.
      Fa Kens? Co aige tha fios?

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    2. Aye an mind Curtis booed the knee tae queen Liz 11 o England . Ye didna get that fae services tae Scotland.

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    3. He didn't become "Sir" John Curtice until after the 2014 referendum, I think that says it all really

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    4. Very true. I don't want to get racist about this but just because he works at Strathclyde Uni means nothing.

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    5. Let's not make posts about people being English as this is inappropriate.

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  8. Rob here, the slogan "Continuity won't cut it" has traction across the political spectrum and within the independence-activists of the SNP. Yes?It's too widespread, too embedded and too "truthy" for the Continuity SNP to turn around.

    Robin McAlpine hasn't had much positive to say about the SNP for a while and I must say I think he has it right. Certainly, Swinney's SNP won't be changing much of anything - least of all their trajectory in the polls.

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    1. And the significance of Robin McAlpine is what now?

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    2. His parents were prominent-ish SNP members but I'm sure that's nothing to do with why he has a platform

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    3. Good to see you doing your best to counter the negativity. Oh wait. Go elsewhere if you do not want Indy.

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  9. More Sturgeonist continuity means more loss of support for the SNP. The pro-indy electorate have nowhere to go other than abstain at the next Westminster election. Alba will only gain support if it becomes more radical in outlook [eg abstention ism]

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    1. So let Labour win? is that what you're saying Mr Alba?

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    2. It's a WM election, which in Scotland is a glorified opinion poll. Who cares whether Labour or the SNP win more seats?

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    3. Except if the SNP loose a shed load of seats at the GE, independence gets kicked even further into the long grass.

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    4. Voting with unionists to oust the S G was pretty radical. How did that go for you? Away back to the Campbell cult ya silly billy. Which is greatest, your transparency or your stupidity? It’s a close call.

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  10. Boy they hate Nicola Sturgeon more than they hate Brit Nat Unionism. That’s a lot of hate.

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    1. Are you sure they hate Britnat unionism? The Campbell cultists love it.

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    2. I was being nice that I thought some might support Independence for Scotland!

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  11. With these sizzling figures maybe independence will become the settled will, maybe even by the turn of the century.

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  12. Considering the turmoil the poll could have been a lot worse and is hence encouraging.

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    1. Yes and also remember that we really need more time before assessing the impact of the last couple of weeks.

      The SNP activists that I spoke to today seemed in good mood.

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    2. Agreed 100%. A sizeable dip in the polls was to be expected but this is not a large dip at all.

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  13. Hopefully one day we’ll get polls showing a majority in favour of independence.

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