As the dust starts to settle on the Supreme Court verdict, it’s incredibly important that Nationalist and Unionist alike understand there remains a lawful, constitutional and democratic path to independence for those who wish to pursue it 1/
— Adam Tomkins (@ProfTomkins) November 24, 2022
Yesterday’s ruling did nothing to change that. Ever since Margaret Thatcher was PM the UK state has been perfectly clear that it will not seek to obstruct the settled will of the Scottish people. Opinion polling will tell us what the people want 3/
— Adam Tomkins (@ProfTomkins) November 24, 2022
"Of course it's a voluntary union! You can leave any time you want."
— James Kelly (@JamesKelly) November 26, 2022
"OK, so how do we leave?"
"We interpret your desires for you. It's a job for experts, and the unique expertise required is only really found in Westminster."
Adam, you have said some pretty ludicrous things in your time, but your attempt to turn YouGov into part of the British constitution takes the biscuit. You are *literally* saying that the result of polls of 1000 people carry more weight than an election in which millions voted.
— James Kelly (@JamesKelly) November 24, 2022
Is there a single country in the world that has gone down the road you're suggesting? And can you imagine the implications? There would have to be state regulation of polling methods - you can't have the constitution decided by the whim of Peter Kellner or Martin Boon or whoever.
— James Kelly (@JamesKelly) November 24, 2022
Interesting division opening up within the unionist camp. "This is still a voluntary union and the 2014 referendum is the proof of that" is not *really* consistent with "why the f*** did we even allow the Jocks to vote in 2014?"https://t.co/AWwGV9UQnU
— James Kelly (@JamesKelly) November 25, 2022
Ipsos POLL SCANDAL DEEPENS: Page 39 tables show that (Base: All, weighted results, excluding those who didn't vote) 479/(1065-157) = 52.8% of respondents voted YES in 2014. The actual percentage was 44.7%, a difference of 8.1 percentage points. @benatipsos @KellyIpsosUK 1/13 pic.twitter.com/p0ikR53QTe
— The Majority (@themajorityscot) December 8, 2022
That response from Ipsos is incredibly important, by the way, because it explains why the real problem may not be Ipsos overestimating the Yes vote - it may be other pollsters overestimating the No vote due to the increasingly dubious practice of relying on respondents to accurately recall and report how they voted more than eight years ago.The numbers are the numbers now as recalled by a representative sample - not the results from the last election. We aren’t weighting to past vote because of false memory problems (ie Labour had won in 1992 in all polls post 1993)
— Ben Page (@benatipsos) December 8, 2022
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Very important article. Just how easy is it to get oneself into the polling machinery with the deliberate intent to do your bit to skew the results one way or another? False recall actually being a downright lie, for example?
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ReplyDelete3rd poll. New Scottish Independence poll, Find Out Now 1 - 8 Dec (changes vs 23 - 26 Mar 21):
ReplyDeleteYes ~ 51% (+3)
No ~ 43% (-1)
Don't Know ~ 6% (-2)
Excluding Don't Knows (/ vs 2014):
Yes ~ 54% (+2 / +9)
No ~ 46% (-2 / -9)
In run up to 2014 IndyRef, polls continually showed YES well behind. That polling could have been read back then as showing that Scots had no appetite for Indy. Yet WM agreed on IndyRef. So why, when the polls now show a reasonably consistent and considerable MAJORITY for YES, is WM blocking it?
ReplyDeleteThe answer's obvious, innit! WM only agree to IndyRefs when polling shows they're going to winnit!
Presently, we have the biggest majority of pro-indy MSPs ever in Holyrood.
We also now have some of the most consistent and biggest YES leads in polls.
How many more hoops do we have to jump through before WM unlocks the prison door?