Sunday, January 10, 2021

Poll update

One or two people have been asking when we can expect the results from the Scot Goes Pop poll. It'll be a while yet - if I was going to hazard a guess I would say around ten days or so. As I mentioned on Twitter, I actually ran into an unexpected hitch, so the process is going to be slightly different this time. I'll explain a little more when the results are ready. 

Someone also sent an email asking me to change the wording of the main independence question to "Should we in Scotland control our own affairs?". Believe me, it would have been a really big mistake to muck around in that way, because even if the results had been positive, nobody would have regarded that as a bona fide independence question, and quite rightly so. It's always best to use the standard independence question, and we're always the first to criticise unionist propaganda polls that don't do that. 

On the subject of the 1990s edition of Question Time in which Nicola Sturgeon was in the audience and demanded that Donald Dewar uphold the principle that Scotland could become independent simply by electing SNP MPs in a majority of Scottish constituencies, I've been directed to Wikipedia's list of QT episodes, and it looks like the most likely candidate is 23rd March 1995, when the recording was in Glasgow and the panel consisted of Dewar, Margaret Ewing, Ray Michie and Ian Lang. Dewar also appeared in episodes in 1996 and 1997, but those were recorded in London, so it's unlikely that Ms Sturgeon would have been in the audience for those. Realistically, it must have happened before she stood as the SNP candidate in Govan in May 1997, and indeed by 1998 she had made her own first appearance on the actual panel. 

I received a downright odd email overnight accusing me of "cleverism" for drawing people's attention to the fact that Ms Sturgeon previously held a very different view on how Scotland can and should exercise its right to self-determination. I was also accused of "holding her hostage" to views she held a very long time ago. That really is a complete nonsense. The whole point here is that the SNP leadership have been suggesting that there is some kind of timeless process that has always been recognised as the only legitimate or effective way by which a country can become independent. The fact that the SNP and Ms Sturgeon herself were wedded to essentially the opposite position 25 years ago drives a coach and horses through that claim. Of course the leadership is entitled to change its view on the best means to achieve an independence mandate, but to claim that the new policy is suddenly the only possible means of achieving a mandate is much more problematical.

12 comments:

  1. What Nicola sturgeon knew of political process twenty five years ago may be much less than she knows now.
    It’s common that people in general know more about things now than they did 25 years ago

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    1. But that's just spin. She was stating the SNP position, which was carefully crafted by people who were as experienced then as she is now.

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  2. I do not think that many people would have accepted that the policy change re the means of achieving independence was to remain fixed for all time.

    James last sentence in his article " Of course the leadership............." is spot on. I would add that it is also the right of SNP members and independence supporters to express an opinion on the best means of achieving independence.

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  3. Oh, to be accused of "cleverism"! What a terrible crime!

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    1. Lol! We are do used to moronic Toff Tossers in power that clever is a problem. Did I spell Toff right? It's early here...

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  4. I for one think that the majority of Scots MP in WM and MSP HR being pro-Indy (not necessarily SNP) is enough for independence.

    My thinking is that if it is good enough for WM Tories under FPTP to take us to war or make treaty decisions then it is easy enough for Scots. At the very least a mandate in HR is a stronger democratic one than WM.

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  5. what we have to wait for the inauguration before we get the poll results?

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    1. I hope that's a joke, because I'm not a miracle-worker. I had to raise the funds, and then it takes a certain length of time for a poll to be commissioned and conducted. Even without the unexpected hitch, it would have been mid-January at the earliest.

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  6. I can't see the pro-UK 'fisherman vote' holding up. Sold out by England on fishing rights and now they can't even export to one of their biggest markets.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/britain-eu-scotland-fishing/scotlands-seafood-exporters-dealt-new-post-brexit-blow-idUSL8N2JK0FI

    Scotland's seafood exporters dealt new post-Brexit blow

    LONDON, Jan 9 (Reuters) - The post-Brexit woes facing Scotland’s fishing industry deepened on Saturday as its biggest logistics provider, DFDS Scotland, said it would halt exports to the European Union through one of its main services until at least Wednesday...

    ...The introduction of health certificates, customs declarations and other paperwork has added days to delivery times and hundreds of pounds to the cost of each load, undermining a system that used to put fresh seafood into French shops just over a day after it was harvested.

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  7. Given it's very unlikely you can find the relevant QT episode, I suggest scouring the media for reports on what Nicola Sturgeon said - perhaps you've tried this? I believe there used to be online archives maintained by some of the newspapers.

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  8. 'Should the people of Scotland's affairs be controlled by 130 politicians in Scotland?' That would be a far more accurate, far less nebulous, and far more meaningful question.

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    1. But what you're sneering at is simply parliamentary democracy, and exactly the same principle applies at Westminster. What's your alternative? Dictatorship? Anarchy?

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