But a few days ago, she was contacted by a couple in Edinburgh with a metal detector. They had found it buried under twenty feet of sand. They then dried it out with rice for three days, managed to get it charged up, and found my sister's contact details on it. We've just received it back from them. Almost unbelievable.
Sunday, October 25, 2020
Viva Metal Detectors
Those of you who follow me on Twitter may recall that, several weeks ago, I mentioned that my sister had lost her phone on Gullane beach. I tried all the obvious things - apart from Twitter, I also posted on several East Lothian buy & sell groups, and a couple of days later we went back to Gullane and retraced her steps. It became painfully obvious at that point that high tide covers most of the beach, and the place where she thought she had most likely dropped the phone was submerged in water. So we pretty much abandoned hope of getting it back.
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Certainly shows the resilience of modern mobile phones!
ReplyDeleteI like a happy ending.
ReplyDeleteLots-a-things ... Happy end. Scots people, that is a big generalisation of course. Resilience of Tech, as stated. Most interesting: 20 feet of sand - this is a restless planet. Very surprised it was not someone's golf club.
ReplyDeleteAt least one of the couple was Latvian.
DeleteThat won't be happening in brexit Britain!
DeleteWe'll go back to British people finding lost mobile phones like in the days of spitfires and WWII!
Meanwhile in Scotland. Twitter the home of crazy people. Just to balance it out they'll help you find your mobile if you lose it. Then sign you up to some anti something other group.
ReplyDeleteJust reading this again, is the 20ft figure a typo. That's about the height to the guttering on a two storey house!
ReplyDeleteIt's not a typo, but it might be wrong, it's just what we were told.
DeleteProbably 20 inches not feet.
Delete20ft of sand. Is your sis in the habit of digging deep holes?
ReplyDelete20 crabs feet maybe.
ReplyDeleteSo is there a 20 foot deep hole in gullane beach now ?
ReplyDeleteGood karma buddy
ReplyDeleteOn the previous thread the sites resident Tory liar calling himself Scottish Skier (SS) was trying his best to convince all and sundry the Salmond judicial review was a case against the UK Civil service only ie, Leslie Evans , Permanent Secretary.
ReplyDeleteThe Scot parliament inquiry has now released the Court of Session Record on the petition.
What does it say on the front page:
against
(FIRST) Leslie Evans , Permanent Secretary to the Scottish Government, St Andrews house, Regent Road, Edinburgh, EH1 3DG; and (SECOND) The Scottish Ministers, St Andrews House, Regent Road, Edinburgh, RESPONDENTS
So there you are in black and white SCOTTISH MINISTERS along with Evans are the respondents against whom the petitioner Alex Salmond raised the judicial review.
Scottish Skier is a lying Tory toerag.
I said 'Salmond didn't take Sturgeon to court' and hasn't called for her to resign.
Deletehttp://scotgoespop.blogspot.com/2020/10/a-good-if-obvious-tip-for-us.html?showComment=1603635895842#c1440244038278414239
He didn't take Sturgeon to court as your document shows; he took 'Leslie Evans the permanent secretary and [blanket term] Scottish Ministers = Scottish Government' to court. If he'd been a minster, that would have covered him too; he'd have taken himself to court under your logic. You have him taking his allies in the cabinet to court as well.
For normal people, this is just standard legal parlance.
https://www.gov.scot/about/who-runs-government/cabinet-and-ministers/
https://www.parliament.scot/HarassmentComplaintsCommittee/General%20documents/JR_-_Open_Record_-_as_redacted_23rd_October_2020.pdf
The document even distinguishes Sturgeon as not a 'respondent' [Evans], but an 'interested party'. Page 119 of the Review.
https://www.ashurst.com/en/news-and-insights/legal-updates/judicial-review/
An "interested party" is "any person (other than the claimant and defendant/respondent) who is directly affected by the claim"
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Once again, I quote you:
"the FM would have no involvement in the process and would not be informed about any complaints raised and conclusions drawn."
"She [the FM] chose not to [have any involvement] - but instead let the court case proceed despite Salmond telling her the Scottish government would lose."
I also quote Salmond, whom you try to mispresent:
https://www.civilserviceworld.com/professions/article/alex-salmond-takes-scottish-government-to-court-over-perm-secs-handling-of-sexual-misconduct-allega
For many months now, and on the advice of senior counsel, I have attempted to persuade the [UK Civil Service] permanent secretary to the Scottish Government that she [Leslie Evans] is behaving unlawfully in the application of a complaints procedure, introduced by her more than three years after I left office.
“This is a procedure so unjust that even now I have not been allowed to see and therefore to properly challenge the case against me. I have not been allowed to see the evidence.
“I have tried everything, including offers of conciliation, mediation and legal arbitration to resolve these matters both properly and amicably.
“This would have been in everybody’s interests, particularly those of the two complainants. All of these efforts have been rejected.
Maybe you can explain why he didn't say 'Sturgeon' here or 'Evans and Sturgeon'.
Also this:
https://www.thenational.scot/news/17342632.alex-salmond-calls-resignation-top-civil-servant/
Alex Salmond calls for resignation of top civil servant
FORMER first minister Alex Salmond has called on Scotland's top civil servant to quit her post after accusing her of "wasting" hundreds of thousands of pounds of public money defending the administration's "unlawful" handling of sexual misconduct allegations against him.
Now if you are a unionist, you will continue to try to speak for Salmond and that he wasn't first and foremost in a fight with Evans while Sturgeon and other ministers could largely just look on in case they unduly influenced procedures.
Unionists, from the BBC to English blogs, have been absolutely desperate to steer this whole thing away from Leslie Evans of whitehall* and on to Sturgeon/the SNP, misrepresenting Salmond at every turn. Each time he says 'Evans', unionists turn it into Sturgeon.
DeleteOur little friend IfS is parroting the BBC at every turn here.
You can tell unionists because they never quote the man; they just pretend to speak for him.
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https://news.gov.scot/news/scottish-government-permanent-secretary-announced
Leslie joined the Scottish Government in September 2000, and has held a number of posts including Director of Culture, External Affairs and Tourism and Director General Education. Before joining the Scottish Government, she spent 20 years working in local authorities in England and Scotland.
The [recruitment] competition was conducted by the First Civil Service Commissioner# in accordance with the Civil Service’s recruitment principles, which provide for an open competition on merit, with the First Minister invited to choose between those candidates deemed suitable for appointment...
...Sir Jeremy Heywood, Cabinet Secretary and Head of the Civil Service said: "I am delighted that Leslie will be the new Permanent Secretary supporting the Scottish Government. Leslie brings with her a wealth of experience in public service delivery and I very much look forward to working with her as part of the senior leadership of the UK Civil Service.”
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https://www.gov.uk/government/news/first-civil-service-commissioner-appointment-ian-watmore#:~:text=Her%20Majesty%20the%20Queen%20has,of%20First%20Civil%20Service%20Commissioner.
You can have any permanent Secretary as long as he/she's a unionist.
Skier does a dump - he is proved a liar once again and floods the stream with crap. A Tory dump.
DeleteSS- lying again. I have never pretended or said I was speaking for Salmond. SS is now operating at Trumpian levels of lying.
DeleteSS- lying again - I said Evans AND Scottish ministers because that is the truth. The truth being something you are unfamiliar with.
DeleteYes, you refuse to even quote the man for some reason.
DeleteDid he ask you to defend him or did you just take on that role without his permission?
SS- lying again - he denies saying that the court case was against the UK civil service. 25/10 12.26pm on the previous thread Skier says: " I remember when Salmond took the UK Civil Service to court and won".
DeleteSS when caught out lying - which happens all the time - then tries to deflect.
DeleteDear god.
DeleteDo you really think you are winning here?
Latest poll is 58% Yes. Even the BBC is seeing the writing on the wall.
SS - if you believe in God try asking for forgiveness for lying so much and of course being a Tory supporter.
DeleteSS - dickhead - the clue is in the name INDEPENDENCE FOR SCOTLAND. I win when Scotland is independent. You win when you convince thickos like Ramstam to keep waiting forever and forever and forever.
DeleteIf I was a unionist troll, I'd just a moniker like that. Or Braveheart 1314 maybe.
DeleteI thought it was a nice break from hearing about restrictions and how good are bad Scottish politicians are.
ReplyDeleteWe should have a public enquiry to see if it was 20 feet or 2 inches. Sounds like a cover up or a conspiracy to me
ReplyDeleteThis really made me laugh.
Deletehttps://docs.cdn.yougov.com/use3qqelyz/TheTimes_VI_Tracker_201022_W.pdf
ReplyDeleteYougov UK Westminster intention, Scots subsample
58% SNP
16% Con
16% Lab
3% Lib
3% Green
Even though just a subsample 58% is more confirmation that the SNP are on track to take some top Unionist scalps.
ReplyDeleteAt 3% Rennie, AC Hamilton and Liar Carmichael will be having their squeeky bum time.
IFS, must try harder.
Ramstam - I clocked you as being pretty thick but condoning criminal actions.
DeleteRamstam - your Fellow Sturgeon fanboy SS wants Scotland to be ruled by the Tories for another 5 years. The Tories will do the same as Thatcher inthe 80's but Fanboy SS says we just wait another 5 years. So Ramstam when do you say we will be an independent country?
DeleteOnce we get independence. We could put you in a wee dinghy and push you out to sea towards Orkney and Shetland.
DeleteOrkney and Shetland could become Scotland Siberia
What kind of democratic country take out the don't knows. I think the don't Knows would make a great political party. Every time they were asked a question they could simply say I don't know. The don't know would definitely get my second vote
ReplyDeletePage 12 of the Court of Session Record of petition.
ReplyDelete"Believed to be true that both complainers were in contact with senior employees of the second respondent including Ms Mackinnon"
The second respondent being "Scottish Ministers". So the complainers had been in contact with Mackinnon the investigating officer and other senior employees of Scottish ministers.
Page 13 states that the gun was found a considerable distance from the car. Something suspicious going on here. I went to bed last night hating that woman and I woke up this in morning, slaving for bread, sir
DeleteSo that every mouth can be fed Poor me Israelites, ah
MacKinnon, is giving evidence to the Scottish parliament inquiry today. However, her evidence will only be via an audio link. She will not be there in person. The person who was happy to see Salmond put through 3 years of persecution and was a significant player in the unlawful, unfair and tainted by bias Scotgov process does not even have the courage to attend in person. This inquiry is looking more like a paper tiger every day.
DeleteLock her up lock her up lock her up
DeleteIFS, If that was a serious question, we should go for an Indyref ASAP.
ReplyDeleteI don't buy this crap about "Due Process" which suits London just fine.
Win big in May21, an overall majority for the SNP plus a strengthened Green party. Trail a date later in 2021 but BEFORE the election itself - leaving no doubt about mandates.
Bin all talk of asking permission of London. They'll come crawling anyway seeking leverage/influence once the big day is made public.
BTW IFS... Johnnie come latelies like you are welcome as we won't win independence without NO to YESSERS.
But I think I'm about a million SNP/YES leaflets ahead of you. KEEP UP.
Ramstam, glad to hear that you are not a Tory like SS who wants to keep us chained to the UK under Tory rule for another 5 years ( just to make certain we win a referendum the Tory claims - If you believe that you will believe anything).
DeleteOn what basis do you make your claim that I am a Johnnie come lately Ramstam? I doubt you have an answer just like you don't have a clue as to when and who removed Salmond from the SNP history - do you? I have been for independence all my life and voted SNP every election so I have never been a no voter.
So Ramstam you have all these people in the SNP/ Scotgov involved in the malicious and evil persecution of Salmond but not one has been even mildly censored. Indeed some may even be asking people to vote for them in next May. Time to come clean Ramstam. Are you happy to possibly vote for criminals even if they are sporting an SNP badge.
So Ramstam taking your scenario of a massive election win how long do you wait for a referendum to take place before you think - mm I've been a fool - the SNP leadership are fraudsters. 2 years 3 years 4 years 5 years or never?
It is about time you kept up Ramstam.
Yesterday, Public Heath Scotland reported that for comparable timeframes, there were currently 85% less cumulative covid-19 related fatalities than than during the first wave of the pandemic due to the measures put in place by the Scottish government to control the new outbreak.
ReplyDeletehttps://drive.google.com/file/d/1jW4GMCKAJsgKly3WNv-edjY6gNZCGHBx/view?usp=sharing
Public Health Scotland also reported that daily new cases rates were slowing, and appeared to be peaking, with this slow down beginning in earnest in late September, again due to the measures put in place by the Scottish government to contain the outbreak.
Deletehttps://drive.google.com/file/d/1NJRdUUEU79hg637vA3-3Pin7n6IBO18T/view?usp=sharing
Because you don't understand the equation that describes a peak.
DeleteNow describe what happens on approach to the peak / inflection point.
DeleteDoes the rate decrease / flatten maybe?
And what happens to R? Does it fall, like it is in Scotland?
Why are you not bigging up 'exponentially' any more? Because the graph doesn't look like that?
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DeleteWe spoke about this a few weeks ago. I said the new case rate was slowing down, specifically, we appeared to have reached the inflection point en route to the peak.
DeleteNo, passing the inflection point does not mean a new exponential rise is imminent:
inflection point
I await your exponential fit to this data:
PHS case rate data
No matter what you do, you need to keep making new curves with lower R or doubling time, i.e. the rate is slowing.
Honeymoon period well over for Starmer it seems. His popularity is falling across the UK and is little better than Boris's.
ReplyDeletehttps://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1320078857873940480
Based on Westminster polling, at least 80% of Scots don't want a Labour UK government. A Tory UK government is actually slightly more popular.
DeleteI don't think 80% of Scots want a Tory or Libdem government. Where is your evidence for this. More nonsense from Skier.
DeleteMany many many SNP votes for Westminster are conditional upon the SNP backing Labour rather than the Tories for office.
DeleteMost Scots want independence, not a Labour UK government with Starmer in charge.
DeleteI think that will change dramatically after the pandemic and Brexit becomes the settled will of thew British people.
DeleteIt's already the settled will of the British people. Has been since 2016.
DeleteBy settled will, we mean the overwhelming majority of the population support it, rather than simple majority.
DeleteI still don't see how that helps. You need an overwhelming majority of Scots to support brexit. Having Brits support it is fuck all use to you.
DeleteTalking of phones and sand, I think a 999/SOS call should go out to the Scottish Government over the state of the pandemic, as it appears it's burying its head under 20ft of sand.
ReplyDeleteHad a similar experience as a teenager, took out all my savings to buy s surfboard, and duly dropped wallet containing savings somewhere on beach. Weeks later received letter with wallet and all the cash in which was fished out by a fisherman from the other side of the severn estuary. What are the odds and some great people out there.
ReplyDeleteTwo reports by the Office of National Statistics (ONS) show that working-class people are most likely to die from COVID-19 in England and Wales, particularly in the most deprived areas.
ReplyDelete“Deaths involving COVID-19 by local area and socioeconomic deprivation: deaths occurring between 1 March and 17 April 2020” reveals that those residing in the most deprived communities are more than twice as likely to die from the coronavirus
We're all in the one boat together. We shared our skin no different were all the same
DeleteThey're more likely to die because they're told to go to work where there wilfie neighbours are told to stay in the house
DeleteIf their wilfie neighbours were also told to go out to work, they would be even more likely to die, that's the point you can't seem to comprehend.
DeleteI'm not against lochdown I'm merely pointing out what your calling a lochdown is only a lochdown for some people
DeleteI'm not against lochdown I'm merely pointing out what your calling a lochdown is only a lochdown for some people
DeleteGood to see the trolls such as Skier and Ifs were banned for a while, I think this blog has had enough of their constant trolling.
ReplyDeleteTruly unbelievable that a supposed HR professional thinks it is just fine to let the complainers who she is aware are going to raise complaints against Salmond have a role/say in designing the new process to catch Former Ministers.
ReplyDeleteTruly unbelievable that a supposed HR professional thinks that after being involved in discussions with the complainers as per above paragraph she thinks it is just fine to then be appointed the formal Investigation Officer. This is Judith MacKinnon at the inquiry today.
She is clearly going for the Henry McLeiash approach of a muddle not a fiddle. So she is saying she is an idiot. Well perhaps she is an idiot. However, as she reported what she was doing to her superiors then they must all be idiots as well. Somehow, I do not think Evans or Sturgeon can be categorised as idiots.
Also it is clear that the complainers were actively telling Scotgov officials they were going to raise complaints against Salmond well before the new process was finalised. In all the meetings with her Permanent Secretary and Sturgeons office getting involved is it credible to think that Sturgeon was not informed of the likelihood of the complaints against Salmond.
Yawn.
DeleteSS - that is certainly an improvement on your usual lies.
DeleteDon't mess with Keir
ReplyDeletePolice are investigating a collision involving the Labour leader, Sir Keir Starmer, in which a cyclist was taken to hospital.
Starmer is understood to have been driving through north-west London around midday on Sunday when the crash occurred in Kentish Town.
An incredible admission by MacKinnon that the Harrassment policy that was declared unlawful and unfair is still the current policy of the Scotgov years later, unamended but accepted as unfit for purpose. So they have a policy for Former Ministers that no other country in the world has that cannot be used.
ReplyDeleteAnyone still think it wasn't designed to get Salmond?
The policy wasn't declared unlawful. If it was, it wouldn't be in place as it would be illegal.
DeleteThe application of the policy to Salmond's case was declared unlawful because procedure was not followed.
SS- wrong - in the past I would have thought you were ignorant - but now I know better you are nothing but a liar.
DeleteNo, you need to explain how Holyrood is able to openly breaking the law, overruling the court of session's ban on their harrassment policy.
DeleteOr, the court didn't rule it illegal as I said, so it remains in place, subject to any improvements recommended by the inquiry.
SS - no I do not need to explain anything to a lying Tory but I might if I can be bothered. You post so many lies it is a full time job explaining why you are a liar.
DeleteHere you go:
Deletehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-53090858
The two sides [Salmond vs HMCS) agreed there had been a "failure" by the government in following a recently-devised process
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-46801338
Roddy Dunlop QC, speaking for the Scottish government, accepted that there had been a "failure" in following the complaints process...
However, both sides now accept that the investigating officer had previously had contact with the complainers. The government's own rules state that there should not have been any prior involvement between the investigator and the complainers.
There was some disagreement between the two parties about the extent of this contact - Mr Salmond's team claim the officer's intervention bordered on "encouragement", while the government insist it was "welfare support and guidance" which was in itself appropriate.
However, the simple fact that contact took place was enough to knock down the process as a whole. This was the sole point the government conceded, but it was a fatal one.
Salmond successfully argued that the process was not followed correctly. Leslie Evans and the UK civil service in Scotland conceded.
Here you go - a Tory referencing BBC Reporting - the BBC famed worldwide for its unbiased reporting. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
DeleteHere is the public health Scotland data comparing the death rate and cumulative deaths for the current and previous covid phases on the same timeline, specifically from when average deaths/day reached 1.
ReplyDeleteAnyone who tries to tell you the situations are comparable either doesn't understand things very well at all, or is a sick fuck deathmonger who wants to see folk infected / dead just so they can 'get one over on the nats'.
At present, we have 85% less cumulative deaths (dashed lines) as a direct result of the control measures put in place. Given the slowing of the case rate, we could well end up with a death toll 1/10th or less of wave 1 as things stand.
Phase 1 vs Phase 2 covid deaths comparison
There's a strange sect of people who indeed want the absolute worst to happen, and advocate a complete shut down of society until such time as it's alright again. Of course, this ignores the socio-economic collapse which would occur, and the millions of people who can't work at home, or those who have been driven to suicide.
DeleteI suspect that once the economic impacts of what has been done start having an effect on these keyboard warriors' careers, opinions will change.
It appears Bruce is seduced by the arguments of the ERG and the headbangers on the right wing of the English Tories, who make exactly the same points.
DeleteProfit before people, allow the poor and vulnerable to suffer and die.
I'm about to have a work meeting to discuss what to do in the face of an end to UK furlough.
DeleteThe university I work for is already having to make ~120 staff redundant do to furlough ending.
If the UK brought it back, lives and jobs could be saved.
And Skier, you're assuming a second wave is inevitable or necessary. Why, other nations have avoided one, why couldn't Scotland. The FM only a few short months ago was talking of elimination until a vaccine is available.
DeleteFor students.
DeleteFurlough / unemployment / welfare for staff is a reserved matter.
And I also work for an SME, which is what the meeting is for.
DeleteNo, my uni staff salary is paid for by my sponsors, which are a number of industrial companies. They also pay for all the support staff time I use, from cleaners to technicians. Other funders include the EPSRC, NERC, EU etc. Many lab based projects had to be put on hold, so worked could not be completed. Funding bodies don't provide cash to cover this. Furlough only partly funded it.
DeleteYou seem to be thinking only of teaching time for undergraduate Scottish student courses. Large numbers of staff at unis don't teach, and those that do, often may only teach for a proportion of their time, e.g. 30% with the rest of their salary funded by external organization funding of research.
Part of the teaching time also comes from overseas student fees and not from the Scottish government.
You really don't understand much about anything do you.
So, like I said, 120 redundancies coming.
#UKOK
I've been 20 years in my uni research position and not a single penny of my salary has ever come from the Scottish government.
DeleteIt all came from industry based on research funding my boss or I secured from companies.
I work in a postgraduate institute (MSc, PhD only), ergo it receives no undergraduate student fees from Holyrood.
You clearly live a sheltered life. Still living at home with your mum maybe?
I seriously hope SS is NOT made redundant - he would have even more time to post his anti independence lies and complete pish.
DeleteWorking class people of Scotland don't let these idiots hijack your debate or else we'll just become another version of ourselves
ReplyDeleteMacKinnon in her testimony says that no special advisers were present at the regular Scotgov meetings to discuss the judicial review that was going to take place.
ReplyDeleteAllison, later on in her testimony today says special advisers were present at the meetings completely contradicting MacKinnon. After a bit of gentle persuasion and checking with some legal advisor Allison says that they were there for the majority of the meetings and they were Liz Lloyd, Sturgeons Chief of Staff and another of Sturgeons special advisors. Funny how Sturgeon claims it was all nothing to do with her but she has her Chief of Staff attending these meetings.
Are you saying Sturgeon wasn't present at any meetings about the judicial review, but was simply later updated by her chief of staff Liz Lloyd who did attend along with assorted UK civil servants (special advisors)?
DeleteI'm not sure I see the significance of this.
You believe the FM should not have kept herself up to date on things?
SS - well no shit that you don't see the signifance of this. What a surprise😂😂😂😂😂
DeleteThe Salmond Scottish Parliament inquiry.
ReplyDeleteWhat do each of the civil servants state at the beginning of their evidence - they state they are not there in giving evidence in a personal capacity but rather supporting the Scottish ministers.
The Scottish ministers will also not given evidence in a personal capacity, but in their role as ministers supporting the civil service.
DeleteYou can't give evidence in a personal capacity about a matter you were involved in as part of your job.
Obviously.
Thanks Mr Kelly for allowing me to make my point.
ReplyDeleteI think I'll tune back in a couple of months once the idiots on here stop talking Nicola Sturgeon bad or Alex Salmond good.
Out here in the real world we're worried about loved one's being put in danger and if we can keep food on the table and heating on over the Scottish winter
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ReplyDeleteIt must have been 20 centimeters of sand...still, good the phone was found!
ReplyDeleteHere's bit of an update on Covid19, the research finds differences every day...so worth keeping up to date.
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-10-covid-distancing-masks.
Infection rate in England 44% higher than in Scotland.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveypilot/23october2020
22,885 UK cases reported today.
DeleteScotland accounts for 5.8% of these (1327) on 8.4% of the pollution.
Yes many thanks to Mr Kelly for allowing posts and points to be made. Maybe a code of conduct or a consistent set of guidelines as to what is and what is not acceptable on this blog may help. Very happy to abide by such a structure, I hope others will also. Nobody wants posts removed or deleted.
ReplyDeleteHappy to oblige: stop posting here. You are not welcome to post here under any circumstances whatsoever. If you attempt to post here, that is not acceptable and is a breach of the code of conduct. 'Poppy Goes Scotty' is also an unacceptable moniker (and that shouldn't be a surprise, because I informed you of that last week, but you ignored me).
DeleteBy the WHO 5% measure, we are currently at about ~8.5% of tests positive, and have exceeded the 2 week >5% threshold for ~8 days now.
ReplyDeleteBBC WHO % Positive Tests Graph
Your untrained eye can't see the inflection point around October 5th then? If you can't, try the old straight line tangent trick and see if you can see it then.
DeleteShould take you back to high school days.
You can't realistically fit a curve to the %+ data right now where the slope is not decreasing.
That means %+ is not increasing exponentially BTW.
DeleteThe Tory liar SS who accuses me of trying to speak for Salmond but also accuses me of never using his words- strange contradiction there - here are the words of the people who actually do speak for Salmond:
ReplyDeleteSalmond's lawyers say "The clear objective of the Scottish Government is to tarnish the reputation of our client and to seek to distract the Committee from the core remit of investigating the Scottish Government and the First Minister"
Yes that's right the First Minister - despite what the liar SS would try and make out.
So you would agree then that Salmond has never said Sturgeon tried to set him up?
DeleteErgo, if people claim that, they are putting words in his mouth?
Also that Salmond has never said he advocates a vote for a party other than the SNP next May?
DeleteAgain, if people claim otherwise, they are putting words in his mouth.
SS - posting pish again - a change from lies I suppose. Listen you Tory prick I have never said I speak for Salmond. My views are my own.
DeleteAre you putting words in Sturgeons mouths then oh that's right it could also be Peter Murrell whose fantasy words you made up. Putting words in the mouth of both of them are you SS. Surprised you haven't had avgonat putting words in Sturricks mouth either.
SS you just post pish and lies and people like you are the greatest threat to Scottish independence because you are a phoney.
Does Salmond mean the civil service, North British Branch, or does he mean his allies in the Scottish government (including ministers and other MSPs in the chamber) are trying to tarnish his reputation?
DeleteI find it hard to believe he's attacking his allies in the way you seem to be suggesting. Alex Neil for example is a member of the 'Scottish Government', being involved in law making, an taking part in a range of parliamentary committees.
Are you putting words in Salmond's mouth by suggesting he's attacking Alex Neil- member of the Scottish government?
I've not heard Salmond attack a single one of these people:
https://www.gov.scot/about/who-runs-government/cabinet-and-ministers/
Are you saying he has/is attacking all of them? Can you provide some evidence of this?
And to be honest, I find your hero worship of Salmond disturbing.
DeleteSo what if he kissed and cuddled a young lady when tipsy by his own admission. the fact you freak out when I say that shows how weird and unhealthy your idolization of him is.
The Scottish public don't worship him like you do. Neither do most indy supporters. It's why unionists have failed to make any inroads here no matter how hard they try.
SS - you truly are a joke - you make up a statement that I never said then you insist I should back it up with evidence. A complete and utter Tory joke.
DeleteAway and put your question to Salmond lawyers - it is their statement you tosser.
When I was young I snogged a girl that wasn't my girlfriend when I was drunk. Suffice to say the latter wasn't too chuffed when she found out, but that's between me and her. I said sorry, just like Salmond.
DeleteIf I had other folk angrily calling anyone who talked about this incident as 'smearing me' I'd think they were fucking weird stalkers.
SS - as I have posted before I do not hero worship Salmond or any politician - you sadly are a Sturgeon fanboy Tory.
Delete"Away and put your question to Salmond lawyers - it is their statement you tosser."
DeleteHis lawyers don't name anyone in the SNP as 'out to get' him. Neither has he.
He's said the name 'Leslie Evans' of the UK Civil Service / 'Scottish Government' often enough though. Time and again he's pointed the finger at her.
It's clear enough for me.
Does he know you are on this forum every day stalking him by proxy? I'm assuming he hasn't actually asked you to do this defense of him and his character, ergo you are acting without his consent? I'd be fucking annoyed if you did that to me.
It's like that Wings site.
DeleteAll those years in operation and not one single solitary article from Salmond. Not even after he retired from politics.
Pretty obvious Salmond doesn't endorse the site or its views.
SS - I don't care if Salmond endorses the Wings site or not. You are the one always obsessed with it. You normally bring it up to deflect when you have been proven wrong and a liar.
DeleteSS I want a decent honest Scottish Government and Scottish independence - unlike you.
Why don't you list who in the cabinet you think is decent and who you don't, and for what reasons.
Deletehttps://www.gov.scot/about/who-runs-government/cabinet-and-ministers/
There are 28 of them.
You seem to be claiming they are all out to get Salmond.
Or am I wrong here?
SS - you are wrong so often - but mostly because it is deliberate lies and misrepresentation.
DeleteSS - see that pathetic attempt at deflection above when you said you snogged someone - was it all a dream and you being a Sturgeon Fanboy was it Sturgeon in your dream. SS never sure what is worse - your lies or the total pathetic pish you post.
DeleteAs the Tory liar SS is doing his best to deflect attention here are the words of Salmonds lawyers once again:
ReplyDelete"The clear objective of the Scottish Government is to tarnish the reputation of our client and to seek to distract the Committee from the core remit of investigating the Scottish Government and First Minister"
To clear her of any wrongdoing? What?
DeleteThere is no accusation in that statement. Salmond has not accused Sturgeon of anything that I am aware of.
It's a statement of fact that the committee is investigating the role of the following in events:
- The civil service
- Minsters & FM
- Alex Salmond
That is the remit of the committee. What is your point?
SS - good try - just like the Britnat media you are trying to imply that Salmond is being investigated as part of the Scot Parliament inquiry. He is not. He has already been investigated twice in two courts - a civil court and a criminal court. It is the Scottish government that is under investigation in this inquiry and not before time.
DeleteFor someone like Scottish Skier ( SS) it is obvious he never watches the inquiry hearings or reads the papers available. That is his right of course but when he attempts to give an opinion on matters pertaining to this subject then it is clear he is not interested in the truth. Not a surprise of course because he lies like Trump.
ReplyDeleteI am following events with no agenda. I would like to know what role Sturgeon played as much as Salmond's. What was he seeing her about those times he requested a meeting? Was he asking for her to stop the investigation into his conduct as unionists suggested? I really hope not.
DeleteYou very, very clearly do have an agenda. You are acting like you are on Salmond's side and charged with putting his case forward on here day in and day out when he's never given you permission for that. You imply he think sturgeon was try to get him when he has never, ever said that as far as I'm aware; only accusing leslie evans.
SS - what a diddy you are - I don't need Salmonds permission - just the site owner James Kelly.
DeleteAs I have posted before you really really cannot read well can you. How many times do I need to say I post my own views. I do not imply anything that Salmond said this or thinks that. How many times does it take to get through that thick skull of yours. Just more deflection from SS.
SS - I am on the side of truth, justice, honesty, a decent Scottish government not full of crooks and of course Scottish independence which will never get delivered under the current SNP leadership. Basically, the opposite of you.
DeleteLet's try this again, the above is my opinion. I am not speaking on behalf of
Salmond or anyone else.
And to be clear, if it turns out that Sturgeon deliberately set out to get Salmond and acted wholly improperly, abusing her position as FM, I'll happily 'see her head on a plate'.
ReplyDeleteHowever, I will not convict her or anyone else based on zero motive backed up by the ropey circumstantial 'evidence' of right-wing unionist rags, online Salmond stalkers and southern English blogs.
SS - "I will not convict her.." ha ha you really are full of your own self importance - do you actually read what you post - do you think you are the Lord Advocate. You need to get out more SS and bash a few rocks - you don't want to lose your job.
DeleteIn the Mafia the Dons were always very good at covering themselves ensuring no direct links could be found by the FBI from their crimes to themselves. The lackeys usually took the hit but never grassed on the Don - total loyalty. Everyone knew that Al Capone was a crook but the FBI struggled to get a conviction until a simple tax fraud got him in the end when his accountant turned against him.
ReplyDeleteSure, but the Holyrood committee comprises MSPs from all the parties, including unionists who'd happily see Sturgeon out on her arse with indy cancelled.
DeleteSo we can be quite confident it won't whitewash anything.
I will await its findings. It's only idiots or those with an agenda that convict based on reading a small % of the evidence presented.
Are you sitting through the whole thing taking notes? Have you read all the documents presented and listened to every interview?
If not, you are in no position to make any judgement.
" Sturgeon out on her arse with Indy cancelled" now why does someone equate one person with Scottish independence like SS does - because he is a Sturgeon Fanboy who thinks Sturgeon is Scottish independence. She is not.
DeleteSS - you are a Tory and you are doing your best to whitewash everything.
DeleteIn para 16 of the Harrassment process designed to get Salmond it says that the FM should be informed if the former minister is not co operating. So it is fair to say Salmond was not co operating so why was this not done? No mention of it in any submissions. Sturgeon claimed she heard about it from Salmond in her house but then in her written submission to the inquiry claimed she forgot about the meeting with Aberdein in her office and then Sturgeon had great difficulty given an answer to Sophy Ridge on Sky News as to when she found out about the complaints raised via the Scotgov Harrassment process.
DeleteMy opinion:
1. Sturgeon requested to see Aberdein because she already knew about the complaints.
2. There is no formal notification to Sturgeon re para 16 because it was not needed because she already knew.
3. Conclusion: Sturgeon knew about the complaints in November 2017 when the process was being devised and that is why she has lied about when she first knew about the complaints.
I've voted SNP, Green and Margo.
DeleteI'm not sure how that qualifies me as a Tory.
SS you lie all the time - why should anyone believe who you say you voted for.
DeleteIFS I see lots of posts were you want Sturgeon gone, but yet to see who you want to replace her as FM. Obviously Swinney would setup into the role in the short term, but who do you want it to be long term?
ReplyDeleteAdam, I have no preference other than to say someone who was not involved in the Salmond scandal and someone who actually wants independence and not just to stay in power. Certainly NOT Angus Robertson.
ReplyDeleteSo no minister then. Of course anyone who is not pro self id will not get in as the greens will not back them. Leaves a pretty small pool to choose from to be honest. Basically the choice is Sturgeon or a pro self ID backbencher.
DeleteAdam, I didn't create the mess that the SNP is in - it is up to its members to get their party back on track. So are you saying all the cabinet are implicated in the Salmond scandal?
DeleteYou were the one highlighting the fact that 'Scottish ministers' were being taken to court. Therefore i'm assuming that you don't want any of the aforementioned 'Scottish ministers' becoming the First Minister.
DeleteRiding high in the polls with a hugely popular leader = 'in a mess'?
DeleteI think most parties would love to be in such a mess.
"I never thought it possible that at any point I would be taking the Scottish Government to court". The words of Salmond from a video shown on Reporting Scotland Tonight.
ReplyDeleteSo there you are - despite what the liar Scottish Skier (SS) has been saying The Scottish Government says Salmond not the UK Civil Service. Facts and truth matter - well to me anyway - obviously not so much for others that post here.
Repeating the same thing ad nauseum... Yawn.
Delete'I never thought I'd be taking my former employer to court' just isn't very juicy. It's really not that uncommon and joe public couldn't give a shit.
'I never thought I'd be taking Sturgeon to court' would be decent headline material for unionists.
SS you don't like your lies being highlighted do you. You cannot even do accurate Trolling now SS - the Scottish government was not Salmonds employer.
DeleteSalmond taking people to court levels of excitement, where 1 is super exciting and 6 isn't remotely in terms of public interest:
Delete1. Boris Johnson
2. The UK government
3. Nicola Sturgeon
4. The SNP
5. His former employers
6. His local council over bin collection frequency dispute
"the Scottish government was not Salmonds employer."
DeleteWhich would mean 'the Scottish government' doesn't refer to Sturgeon as it isn't her employer either.
I shall bookmark this particular post for future reference.
SS - you bookmark away old boy. Anybody knows that the FM is not an employee of the Scottish government. The FM leads the Scottish government.
DeleteWe are reaching a crescendo of nonsense now old boy.
DeleteJolly good. What ho! Spitfires over dover! Rule Britannia, Britannia rules the waves.
Oops, I mean Braveheart and freeeeedoooom!
The FM is an employee of the Scottish [sic British for now] government.
Jesus wept.
SS - you just keep on with your deflecting.
DeleteAt today's inquiry Barbara Allison, Director of.......... admitted that the message she said when she last attended the inquiry that she did not get she did in fact receive after all. A major memory problem seems to be an issue with a lot of these Scotgov officials.
ReplyDeleteWhat was the message in question. The message was the one Lesley Evans sent to Allison when Allison was on holiday in the Maldives. It told Allison that they had lost the battle but would win the war. Allison was then asked what did she say to Evans in her message to get this reply. Allison replied she couldn't remember. Allison was then asked is your original message to Evans not still on your phone. I have deleted it she says by reply. It is pointed out to Allison that she has supplied the inquiry with messages from her phone that are older than the one she says she has deleted.
Allison did not look at all troubled by this disgrace of a performance - she is leaving the Scotgov at the end of the year.
Memory lapses and an unwillingness to supply documentation is a common problem for these senior Scotgov officials.
Of course the lost the battle message was sent just after the Scotgov threw in the towel on the judicial review case.
Who deletes old messages? But just some old messages!
That's Whitehall civil servants for you.
DeleteThe remit of the inquiry is to investigate the First Minister, Scottish Government Officials and special advisers. No mention of Whitehall civil servants but you keep on trying to kid everyone on SS that Sturgeon is not being investigated.
DeleteWhat about when Sturgeon separately referred herself to be investigated for possibly breaking the Ministerial code. I guess she is just a Whitehall person as well is she. You standards are those of Tories and Trump - lie lie and lie.
Oh and they would be the investigation that Salmond recently wrote a letter saying the scope of the investigation should be widened. The scope being written by her own very Deputy Swinney - now that is a joke - your own deputy telling the investigator what to investigate - some investigation.
I see that Wings is saying the newly released SNP accounts show that the money raised for a future indyref has all but disappeared. I would love that not to be true. Can any SNP member explain why Wings has got it wrong. Please.
ReplyDeleteI know that some of the current leadership have been involved in fitting up Salmond for crimes he did not commit etc etc but have they also been up to no good with the finances as well.
The SNP accounts have just been released. There doesn't seem to be much in the piggy bank. What happened to the indyref fund? Legal fees have shot up. Any SNP member want to explain why they should not be worried about these accounts? Please some member tell me that everything is ok - that the money is hidden In Nicola's handag along with the secret plan for independence.
ReplyDelete"Any SNP member want to explain why they should not be worried about these accounts?"
DeleteWhy? You are some random nobody on the internet. There's no obvious reason at all for an SNP member to explain what concerns, if any, they have about party accounts.
It's like me asking you to explain why that England based Wings site doesn't publish any accounts. In the case of the SNP we can actually see where the cash is coming from.
SS - and you are a lying Tory.
DeleteSS - it is not where the cash is coming from it is where it has gone. Ring fenced money is not the same as money being weaved in to the accounts and saying you have an overdraft facility.
DeleteBut glad to hear Nicola is not carrying it around in her handbag along with the secret plan for independence. Nice to know the Treasurer has it in a tin called Referendum Appeal Fund in his desk drawer.
Money money must be funny in a rich mans world.
ReplyDeleteThe people of Scotland has a history of its leaders betraying its people by selling out to London. History is repeating itself again.
ReplyDeleteAye, it's sad what's happened to the Wings blog.
DeleteSS - when did the English blog as you call it become a leader of Scotland - I think you need to take a wee rest SS you are getting a bit confused - drop your hammer on your head again?
DeleteJames, see when your sisters phone was found buried in the sand on Gullane beach they didn't happen to see a lot of SNP members with their heads buried in the sand at the same time.
ReplyDeleteUp to 58% SNP and 58% Yes in the polls.
ReplyDeleteWhere did it all go wrong for Sturgeon's SNP?
When will they take their heads out of the sand!
A perfect example of a Tory trying to convince genuine independence supporters that all is ok with the SNP - it is not - far from it.
DeleteEven the Times has been writing articles telling the Britnats on the Scot Parliament inquiry to let up as they do not want Sturgeon removed from power. When the Britnat media want the leader of the SNP kept in power they know Independence us not on Sturgeons radar - ever - never mind the 5 years SS claims we should wait just to make sure we win.
What a horror show.
ReplyDeleteTurned on my telly tonight and it was still on the BBC Scotland channel from earlier and who pops up on the screen Somerville, Mundell jr and Harvie. Bloody awful people.