We've now had enough post-EU referendum polls on independence to make it worthwhile reintroducing the Scot Goes Pop Poll of Polls. I'm going to tweak the rules slightly, though. As before, the headline figures will be based on an average of the most recent poll from each polling firm, but only firms that have reported since the EU referendum (and thereafter within the last three months) will be included. If a firm has recently conducted both telephone and online polls, the midway point between those two polls' results will be used (in effect each of the two polls will count as a 'half-poll').
Today's figures are based on an online poll from Panelbase, an online poll from YouGov, and both an online and telephone poll from Survation. I'm excluding the ScotPulse poll showing an enormous Yes lead because I don't think it was an entirely credible poll (and ScotPulse aren't a BPC firm in any case).
Should Scotland be an independent country?
Yes 50.8%
No 49.2%
Hmm someone's telling porky's.( Sorry ex PM) and I suspect it's not Scot goes Pop :-)
ReplyDeletehttp://martini.heraldscotland.com/news/14652260.Poll__Brexit__has_not_boosted_the_cause_of_Scottish_independence_/?ref=rss
The Herald's gone full-blown deranged Yoon nutcase now and is also ranting hysterically about the 'SNP causing Cancer'.
DeleteThey'll be gone in a few of years.
That level of Orange Order foaming at the mouth Yoon lunacy has a very tiny readership and will alienate every single SNP voter and anyone with a shred of decency.
It's a lesson Ruth's 'true blue Rangers' party are also going to learn the hard way.
that'll be the "SNP's airline tax cut 'increases risk of skin cancer" from the Yoon zoomer Herald
Deletebeyond satire
One of the major factors often overlooked is that if there is to be a second referendum it will not be a rerun of the previous one . What or who for example will better together consist of and those opposing independence cannot use the argument of an independent Scotland being isolated or on its own given that they are the ones who have taken us out of Europe .
DeleteThere is no Labour party of any credibility left ditto the Libdems and the right wing English nationalists now in charge at Westminster do not see the maintenance of the UK as important or fundamental as they once did and much of the Brexit camp in England would no doubt see a departing Scotland as an added bonus to leaving Europe . Of course a great deal will depend on whether Brexit actually happens
But think how much more convincing 'Better Together' will be next time.
DeleteHow could we possibly fight against that? :o)
The IndependentVerified account @Independent 56m56 minutes ago
DeleteOld people were the biggest supporters of Brexit - and it's cost their pensions £115bn
Brexit supporters hit with record £935bn pension deficit because of the EU referendum
Iain MacLaren @iainmacl 1 hour ago
DeletePensions under independent Scottish government would have been safer it turns out. All 'no' promises now shredded.
Doubts grow over ‘totemic’ cash pledge to pensioners
Triple-lock protection too costly, says former pensions minister, as work and pensions department refuses to rule out review
theguardian.com
Turns out tories just can't help being tories and the nasty party will always be the nasty party.
DeleteTrusting the tories with pensions or any other aspect of social security, not a brilliant fucking idea as it turns out.
Who'd have thunk it?
Going to be quite enjoyable watching the Buffalo try to explain all that away as her westminster bosses drop her neck deep in tory pension cuts.
It's not as if Ruth and the tories just WASTED £210 Billion on unuseable and pointless Weapons of Mass Destruction after all.
A largely meaningless set of figures. The other 3 polls were taken a matter of hours / days after the brexit vote - short term shock taint.
ReplyDeleteBut you have to cheer yourself up somehow I suppose.
I see Mick has lost it big time. Poor soul.
"The undecideds and the bottlers will put it in the back of the net for 'remain'. I'm sure Cameron also has a few tricks up his sleeve to deploy in the dying days of the campaign."
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Poor soul.
DeleteROFL!!
I need to write things to cheer me up from time to time, well all the time really.
DeletePerhaps - or maybe this latest poll is an outlier. Time will tell. It will take months for any economic damage from the Brexit vote to start to show, and that will play out over the next few years.
DeleteAlready we seem to be seeing some high profile takeovers of UK companies, and more are sure to follow if the pound remains low.
Yep. The usual Nostradamuses on both sides of the indy argument have been prolific recently, telling us how the coming years are going to pan out based on whatever the most recent poll says. It's admirable how they don't allow constantly getting it wrong to dent their confidence.
DeleteGood thing we hardly need polls to tell us that the tories haven't a clue what to do about Brexit and still have no plan.
DeleteOr that the Blairite ChickenCoup plotters are anti-democratic incompetents who seem to be intent on destroying everything they touch including themselves.
Fact of the matter is polling was already looking extremely shaky for those who relied on it and it alone, even before the EU ref hammered that point home.
There's a reason canvassing has been and is being pushed hard by the SNP. An increasing amount capable activists doing it as much as they can is quite an achievement. So we'll get a reasonable picture with or without polls.
You should see some of the fruits of that come the Locals next year.
Meanwhile the odious Blairites are proving that they are in fact far more stupid than even plumping for Eagle then Owen Smith indicated.
ReplyDeleteThey seem to be hellbent on making Owen Smith's 'campaign' completely untenable as they rush around tory newspapers and the westminster bubble shrieking about forming their own party and breaking away from Labour.
Here's the thing geniuses, there is no way on earth Owen Smith can go through this entire leadership campaign without decrying and distancing himself as far as possible from these extremist Blarite loons.
Just how long do you think Owen Smith will last on the hustings when he keeps getting asked repeatedly why his own supporters want to leave Labour and do not want to respect the result of the leadership election?
Owen Smith will HAVE TO declare very publicly that he will respect the result of the leadership election again and again and again the longer his westminster bubble Blairite 'sponsors' keep their petulant whining and plotting going.
Telling the media that they won't respect the result and will start their own party simply screams to Labour supporters that they are undemocratic careerist weasels who have no interest in the Labour party.
The part that is pure hilarious genius though is that there are already 80 or so Labour MPs (from the original coup) who are drifting back to Corbyn and who kept well away from Smith and Eagle as it became clear just how batshit crazy and undemocratic some of the Blairites were.
That number is only going to increase as the ChickenCoup plotters make it abundantly clear their only interest is their own careers and dragging down anyone stupid enough to be near them after the leadership election.
It's also very probable that all their talk about forming a new party is just that, talk. Sure, they are going through the legal motions and they might even find a handful dumb enough to disavow the Labour party.
However, these are the same Blairites who simply didn't have the balls or guts to stand against Corbyn themselves. It's common knowledge that the most vehement of them are cowards. (as Chickenhawks and Bullies tend to be) They are fine talking about breaking away, but they have ZERO chance of taking any significant number of Labour MPs away from the Labour party if they are too scared to do so themselves.
Labour MPs need to believe the ChickenCoup plotters, and that's a wee bit of a problem, to say the least.
It's a matter of trust and no matter how much some of the Labour PLP don't like Corbyn it's on a completely different level to then ask them to leave the Labour party altogether - get branded, despised and ridiculed forever afterwards for doing that - and put all their hope in a handful of Blairite weasels who never had the balls to challenge Corbyn directly and who wouldn't know how to be honest and trustworthy if their lives depended on it.
One way or another it comes to a head when the leader is elected.
There will then be no possible excuse for the Blairites to keep plotting without ensuring they will be out on their arse and deselected with every possible justification and cause.
So it's really just a question of how many others they take with them into oblivion. Sure doesn't look like more than a handful right now, if even that.
Are they trying to convince us or themselves that Scots don't want anther referendum?
ReplyDeleteIs it their way of denying democracy?
Much better than kicking off a campaign from 30 points behind.
ReplyDelete50:50,nip 'n' tuck,necker neck.
ReplyDeleteThe will of the Scottish people is unsettled,so the status quo is the default position.The thing is,Yes is the preference of the majority of younger people.No is the preference of the majority of older people.If the union is to survive,current Yes supporters are going to have to be converted into No supporters.They will have to be persuaded that London Tory rule is good for them.
Difficult for young people faced with a Tartan Tory rule or a Westminster Tory rule.
ReplyDeleteThe troll also advocates arming Leave campaigners to "defend democracy", claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs while claiming they're not insults, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a strange, perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor.
DeleteYou being a prick and having no knowledge of politics is not a person who can encourage Scottish Nationalism or young people.
ReplyDeleteYou should end your repetitive childish comment and remove the nut from your unproductive scrotum.
The troll also advocates arming Leave campaigners to "defend democracy", claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs while claiming they're not insults, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a strange, perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor.
DeleteThe poster above is a far-right racist troll from England.
DeleteThe troll also advocates arming Leave campaigners to "defend democracy", claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs while claiming they're not insults, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a strange, perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor.
The repetitive twin ensemble. You nutters are the guarantee for the Union. Carry on chaps.
DeleteThe troll also advocates arming Leave campaigners to "defend democracy", claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs while claiming they're not insults, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a strange, perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor.
DeleteThe Fash morons were in Glesga George Square today. Fuck me what an embarrassment to not only Scotland but the human race in general.
ReplyDeleteThe troll also advocates arming Leave campaigners to "defend democracy", claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs while claiming they're not insults, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a strange, perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor.
DeleteThe above Nat si is a habitual liar and English hater.
DeleteThe troll also advocates arming Leave campaigners to "defend democracy", claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs while claiming they're not insults, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a strange, perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor.
DeleteOne of the major factors often overlooked is that if there is to be a second referendum it will not be a rerun of the previous one . What or who for example will better together consist of and those opposing independence cannot use the argument of an independent Scotland being isolated or on its own given that they are the ones who have taken us out of Europe .
ReplyDeleteThere is no Labour party of any credibility left ditto the Libdems and the right wing English nationalists now in charge at Westminster do not see the maintenance of the UK as important or fundamental as they once did and much of the Brexit camp in England would no doubt see a departing Scotland as an added bonus to leaving Europe . Of course a great deal will depend on whether Brexit actually happens .
But think how much more convincing 'Better Together' will be next time.
DeleteHow could we possibly fight against that? :o)
The Nat sis are shiting themselves and afraid to call a referendum. They know they have a choice between the Union or crawling to the Germam led EU and accepting the euro and bankruptcy. Sad nat si scumbags selling Scotland oot tae anyone.
DeleteThe troll advocates arming Leave campaigners to "defend democracy", claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs while claiming they're not insults, calls scots Jocks, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a strange, perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor.
DeleteDo you need a large political organisation when you have the massed ranks of HM press lined up against you?
DeleteWill Scots be fooled again by unionist false promises and propaganda?
Were they fooled last time round and perhaps simply rationalised their fears by clutching at BT B/S arguments?
A lot of inbuilt fear to overcome and irrational attachment to a UK union well past it's sell by date before we can be sure of winning another independence campaign.
we achieved some of the most stunning political results ever seen in scotland with the press and media against us since indyref1
Deletepress don't matter,TV does but even if they lie through their teeth 24/7 it's not as if they are trusted as it is
brexit will ensure the particular flavour of uk union on display is one that will be hard to swallow for a great many of those scots hankering after britishness.the raw hostile english nationalism of the tory brexiteers and kippers is pretty poisonous and not exactly scots friendly
One of the major factors often overlooked is that if there is to be a second referendum it will not be a rerun of the previous one . What or who for example will better together consist of and those opposing independence cannot use the argument of an independent Scotland being isolated or on its own given that they are the ones who have taken us out of Europe .
ReplyDeleteThere is no Labour party of any credibility left ditto the Libdems and the right wing English nationalists now in charge at Westminster do not see the maintenance of the UK as important or fundamental as they once did and much of the Brexit camp in England would no doubt see a departing Scotland as an added bonus to leaving Europe . Of course a great deal will depend on whether Brexit actually happens
But think how much more convincing 'Better Together' will be next time.
DeleteHow could we possibly fight against that? :o)
Bill Forsyth,
DeleteIf we don't have some pretty strong signals from the EU that an independent Scotland will be allowed continuing membership,then I think 'isolated Scotland' might form a big part of Better Together2 policy,simply because they won't have very much else to scare us with.(Will they be able to to use any slogan containing the word 'together' ?)
The IndependentVerified account @Independent 56m56 minutes ago
ReplyDeleteOld people were the biggest supporters of Brexit - and it's cost their pensions £115bn
Brexit supporters hit with record £935bn pension deficit because of the EU referendum
Iain MacLaren @iainmacl 1 hour ago
ReplyDeletePensions under independent Scottish government would have been safer it turns out. All 'no' promises now shredded.
Doubts grow over ‘totemic’ cash pledge to pensioners
Triple-lock protection too costly, says former pensions minister, as work and pensions department refuses to rule out review
theguardian.com
Turns out tories just can't help being tories and the nasty party will always be the nasty party.
DeleteTrusting the tories with pensions or any other aspect of social security, not a brilliant fucking idea as it turns out.
Who'd have thunk it?
Going to be quite enjoyable watching the Buffalo try to explain all that away as her westminster bosses drop her neck deep in tory pension cuts.
It's not as if Ruth and the tories just WASTED £210 Billion on unuseable and pointless Weapons of Mass Destruction after all.
Sad Nat sis indeed. Talking to each other with sad hard done tae stories. The Jokes must historically be the top moaners off the 18th, 19th, 20th and 21st century.
ReplyDeleteThe Jokes do not represent normal Scottish people. Just a bunch of sad fash losers.
The troll advocates arming Leave campaigners to "defend democracy", claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs while claiming they're not insults, calls scots Jocks, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a strange, perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor.
Deletewe have proof of you calling scottish people "Jock scum" you sad little racist wanker. Now either fuck off or stop whining when it's pointed out you're a lying sack of shit and clearly not scottish, because we are NOT going to stop pointing out what you have said. Get used to it.
DeleteLiar.
DeleteThe troll advocates arming Leave campaigners to "defend democracy", claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs while claiming they're not insults, calls scots Jocks, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a strange, perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor.
DeleteAnyone can easily check scotgoespop to see for themselves you are a sad little racist twat who has said every single one of those things.
DeleteNot to mention that fact that you are a complete fucking imbecile of a troll who nobody on here believes or trusts for a second.
But if you whine a little louder I'm sure everyone will suddenly treat you seriously and not mock you for being the repulsive racist troll you so clearly are.
Or not.
LMFAO!
A good site trashed by idiots.
ReplyDeleteI suggest you do not have comments, just keep giving us your excellent articles.
just one idiot and we all know who it is
DeleteI'm not normally a fan of spamming threads, but in "The poster above is a far-right racist troll from England"s case I'll make an exception.
ReplyDeleteHard to believe you would accept what you know is a lie to be the truth. A new low for you Nat sis. But not unexpected. Makes the NAW vote more credible.
DeleteThe troll advocates arming Leave campaigners to "defend democracy", claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs while claiming they're not insults, calls scots Jocks, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a strange, perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor.
DeleteThe troll advocates arming Leave campaigners to "defend democracy", claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs while claiming they're not insults, calls scots Jocks, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a strange, perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor.
DeleteThe cut n paste spammer, spamming the spammer is also an annoying fcukwit. A pair of dolby twins. The annoying fcukwit will not desist however, it's apparently doing us idiots a favour.
ReplyDeleteShagpile.
I'm definitely not that fuckwit GWC2, not even a bit.
DeleteShagpile.
Not posted by me (the real Shagpile). Fcukwit is now going overboard in it's posting police obsession. Others may take their own view, fair enough. I respect that. Fcukwit wont. Sad really.
DeleteShagpile.
Beg to differ. I think the 'cut and paste spammer' is doing tbe site a favour because it has definitely reduced the amount of tedious argument and it also makes it very easy to spot the next valid comment.
ReplyDeleteAgreed. The stupid posts have been more or less contained now.
DeleteNoticed all the flag waving fash mob were out yesterday demanding to overthrow the will of the people. Reminded me of Nuremburg.The Gov needs to protect the majority. Armed militias are required in every factory and office.
ReplyDeleteThe troll advocates arming Leave campaigners to "defend democracy", claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs while claiming they're not insults, calls scots Jocks, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a strange, perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor.
DeleteThe joke Scot Nat sis are doing a BNP and attempting to steal the flag for themselves.
DeleteThe troll advocates arming Leave campaigners to "defend democracy", claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs while claiming they're not insults, calls scots Jocks, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a strange, perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor.
DeleteThe poster above is a liar.
DeleteThe troll advocates arming Leave campaigners to "defend democracy", claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs while claiming they're not insults, calls scots Jocks, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a strange, perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor.
DeleteThe poster above is a habitual liar. Large nose like Gerry Adams.
ReplyDeleteThe troll advocates arming Leave campaigners to "defend democracy", claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs while claiming they're not insults, calls scots Jocks, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a strange, perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor.
DeleteThe troll advocates arming Leave campaigners to "defend democracy", claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs while claiming they're not insults, calls scots Jocks, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a strange, perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor.
ReplyDeleteThe troll advocates arming Leave campaigners to "defend democracy", claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs while claiming they're not insults, calls scots Jocks, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a strange, perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor.
ReplyDeleteThe troll advocates arming Leave campaigners to "defend democracy", claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs while claiming they're not insults, calls scots Jocks, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a strange, perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor.
ReplyDeletePenfold @Penfoldinho 5 hours ago
ReplyDeleteThe people spearheading the anti NP campaign advocate the hitting of children. No wonder they don't like it.
Wings Over Scotland @WingsScotland Jul 30
DeleteI'm still not convinced that being able to abuse and murder your children is a "civil liberty" per se.
Stephen Bush @stephenkb Jul 30
ReplyDeleteIf there is a more Labour thing than having a public row over whether to team up with folk you haven't asked yet, I have yet to find it.
Lord Darling @A_LordDarling Jul 30
ReplyDeleteGreat response on the ground for Scottish Labour in Glasgow today, I'm hearing. Proud.
Scottish rail workers and passenger safety being taken for granted by the Scottish Government who split the Scotrail franchise and awarded them to foreigners. The workers being picked of.
ReplyDeleteJoke Nat sis carrying on with Thatcherite policies. Tartan Tory scumbags..
The troll advocates arming Leave campaigners to "defend democracy", claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs while claiming they're not insults, calls scots Jocks, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a strange, perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor.
DeleteLiar.
DeleteThe troll advocates arming Leave campaigners to "defend democracy", claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs while claiming they're not insults, calls scots Jocks, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a strange, perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor.
DeleteAnyone can easily check scotgoespop to see for themselves you are a sad little racist twat who has said every single one of those things.
DeleteNot to mention that fact that you are a complete fucking imbecile of a troll who nobody on here believes or trusts for a second.
But if you whine a little louder I'm sure everyone will suddenly treat you seriously and not mock you for being the repulsive racist troll you so clearly are.
Or not.
LMFAO!
The IndependentVerified account @Independent 2 hours ago
ReplyDeleteTriple-lock protection for state pensions 'should be abolished to save billions'
Estimated pension costs in the UK 2015, 106bn. 2025, 137bn. 2035 189bn.
DeleteSo who pays? The jokes have certainly indicated they will not put their hands in their pockets and pay additional tax. And who will lend that kind of money which has to be paid back with interest.?
The troll advocates arming Leave campaigners to "defend democracy", claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs while claiming they're not insults, calls scots Jocks, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a strange, perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor.
DeletePorkies again Nat si bhoy.
DeleteThe troll advocates arming Leave campaigners to "defend democracy", claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs while claiming they're not insults, calls scots Jocks, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a strange, perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor.
DeleteAnyone can easily check scotgoespop to see for themselves you are a sad little racist twat who has said every single one of those things.
DeleteNot to mention that fact that you are a complete fucking imbecile of a troll who nobody on here believes or trusts for a second.
But if you whine a little louder I'm sure everyone will suddenly treat you seriously and not mock you for being the repulsive racist troll you so clearly are.
Or not.
LMFAO!
Sad predator lying troll. I think I need a named person to protect me! You are an idiot right wing Nat si.
DeleteThe troll advocates arming Leave campaigners to "defend democracy", claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs while claiming they're not insults, calls scots Jocks, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a strange, perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor.
DeleteThe IndependentVerified account @Independent 2 hours ago
ReplyDeleteTriple-lock protection for state pensions 'should be abolished to save billions'
The IndependentVerified account @Independent
DeleteOld people were the biggest supporters of Brexit - and it's cost their pensions £115bn
Brexit supporters hit with record £935bn pension deficit because of the EU referendum
Kate Buffery 4 hrs ago
ReplyDeletehttps://medium.com/@katebuffery/despite-his-protestations-owen-jones-has-taken-sides-145b071fe4ad#.gzbv6i4vb
Despite his protestations, Owen Jones has taken sides. The choice at the moment is between Corbyn or Smith. Jones doesn’t want Corbyn as he is. And Corbyn’s not likely to change himself to fit in with Jones’ suggestions as to who he should be (having rejected some previously). The upshot is that Owen Jones is desperate to point out holes in Corbyn and show the world he is right to want those changes. And this all helps Owen Smith.
Jones attempted to hole- point in a youtube interview a couple of days ago. He didn’t manage to make a dent in Corbyn so he’s now pressing more questions in a blog, without the distraction of Corbyn being able to answer them.
Owen Jones pretends not to mind that his advice is being ignored, but shouting out long and hard about his credentials and banging on about the areas where he sees Corbyn as sorely lacking (even if, like a prosecuting adovate he raises them as questions), indicates that he hopes at least some of his readers will mind on his behalf. He’s not the first person in the bubble to discover that the fact that Corbyn is ‘decent’ and ‘listens’ doesn’t mean he’s just a vessel waiting to be filled by those who ‘know better’.
And Jones’ blog looks like the work of man who knows he ‘knows better’ and feels unfairly spurned. He clearly hasn’t engaged much conscientious thought — he is being true to himself by voicing his opinions even if they damage Corbyn. He has no obligation to put right the proven media bias against Corbyn (which he brushes off as readily as Corbyn’s most fervent detractors).
And there is a hypocrisy in his attempt to add weight to his criticisms by, on the one hand bigging up his credentials in supporting Corbyn, whilst on the other adopting the hackneyed ploys of every MSM detractor to undermine him.
For example the glib comparison of JC with Foot (but no mention of the ‘Falklands effect’ of course). Or his suggestion that Corbyn’s not been visible enough in speaking out about hate crimes post Brexit. (In fact Corbyn did so, but MSM reported that he’d ‘lunged.’ at a female journalist. So his speech wasn’t reported — and she then clarified on Twitter that the lunge had never happened!) And Jones even takes up the much used quote of the ‘Corbyn supporter’ who said ‘winning is not important’— but omits the caveat of the original, ‘if we’re going to offer the same policies as the Tories’.
(cont.)
In raising the question of ‘media strategy’, Jones again follows the MSM lead in undermining the relative importance of social media —even though it’s influence in building Labour support is undeniable, and it’s widely recognised as having won Obama his victory. By contrast he concentrates on the importance of MSM and seems keen to blame Corbyn for a number of the problems he’s having — which is odd as the real problems: the bias, prejudice, partiality, collusion, hostility etc. were experienced in parallel by Sanders in the US. But Jones wants us to see Corbyn’s media strategy as the problem. We ‘must’ question it? Now…..I can see that Corbyn has done well to concentrate on the ripple effect of social media. And I can see that the real problem is in media bias (which Corbyn seems to manage reasonably well and which doesn’t get to be less of a problem just because Jones is clearly bored of hearing about it). But to understand the leadership media strategy in any detail they’d have to be accountable to us for it in detail. It is ridiculous and divisive to encourage the membership to want to micromanage the leadership in this way. Especially as they are being asked to do so by someone who feels that he deserves to be more personally involved. The irony is that if Owen Jones were really driven by wanting MSM to work as well as it possibly can, he is better placed than any of us to make a strategic and positive contribution by redressing the imbalance.
DeleteBut strategising for Corbyn’s victory, is something that Owen Jones prescribes for Corbyn and ordinary supporters but not for himself. Constraints and restraints on Corbyn — but Jones must be able to write what he likes.
There are other questions. They can all be answered in equivalent terms. With equivalent irritation at Jones’ arrogant assumption that they cover areas we haven’t thought about and that we/the Labour leadership, rather than Jones have more thinking to do. This isn’t a dress rehearsal. From outside the bubble a huge number of Labour members, have judged Corbyn to be the best possible option to guard and promote the democratic socialist agenda, which is why we have given him the democratic mandate. If you truly believe in democracy and in socialism Owen Jones, ask not what Corbyn or Corbyn supporters should be doing for you — but what you should be doing for the movement. You have a choice to make between putting your shoulder behind Corbyn or doing the same for Smith. There isn’t a third option in which you call the shots. At the moment you’re both weighing down Corbyn’s leadership, and placing yourself above it.
The most pertinent thing about Owen Jones plaintive cries from inside the Guadianista Bubble isn't what he says, but what he glaringly fails to say.
ReplyDeleteConsider, For all Jones doomsaying and "edge of the cliff" rhetoric if Labour were truly at an existential crossroads like Jones says then the most startling and hilarious thing is that somehow, despite Jones claiming all this, he still can't bring himself to support Owen Smith!!!
What a fucking dagger to the heart that is to the inept Corporate Lobbyist and Iraq 'undecided' Smith.
'Yes we could all be wiped out and Labour could be destroyed for generations, but steady on chaps! I'm certainly not going to endorse that absurd rotter Smith! I have my limits after all. He's got no bleeding chance.'
Oh we get you Jones, we get you loud and clear. LOL
I support independence but does anybody else think it's a bit sad that we're hoping to get 50.1% of our own people to go down that way and then claim massive victory?
ReplyDeleteIndependence shouldn't be won off the analogical equivalent of Archie Gemmill's bum in the last minute of extra time squirming under Jim Leighton's greasy paws. It should be a movement that carries a great majority of Scots, or it kind of loses the fundamental appeal and genesis of the argument.
I think Scots will fall in line and hope to get the best deal for us but I'm not sure it will be the great mass movement of our times. It's a marmite topic.
"it's a bit sad that we're hoping to get 50.1% of our own people to go down that way and then claim massive victory?"
Delete"It's a marmite topic."
It's true though isn't it.
DeleteThat the next indyref will need more than 50% to win?
DeleteWe had kinda figured that one out believe it or not.
If you seriously think there's an alternative then the first Devo ref would like to have a word.
Indy polarises some opinions? How very unlike politics in general. Incompetent tories running scotland's non-devolved matters with zero popular mandate from scotland is a wee bit polarising too in case you didn't notice.
I have no idea what your point is, if you even have one.
It certainly can't be that Indy supporters don't want to build as much popular support for Indy as possible because we all know they do.
Do not understand why you Nat sis concern yourselves with Labour and Jones. They have no relevance in Scotland.
ReplyDeleteIf Dan Jarvis takes the leadership of Labour then you can sit up.
The troll advocates arming Leave campaigners to "defend democracy", claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs while claiming they're not insults, calls scots Jocks, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a strange, perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor.
DeleteDan Jarvis will unite Labour and expose the Tartan Tory conmob. Labour will take the middle ground again. Scots will if asked vote to remain in the Union.
DeleteThe Nat sis will be confined to the dustbin of history as scum should. And Anon will be posting lies.
The troll advocates arming Leave campaigners to "defend democracy", claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs while claiming they're not insults, calls scots Jocks, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a strange, perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor
DeleteThe above troll is a Nat si anti working class dedicated follower of fashion.
DeleteThe troll advocates arming Leave campaigners to "defend democracy", claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs while claiming they're not insults, calls scots Jocks, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a strange, perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor
DeleteYou have to admire Owen Jones timing if nothing else for his 'grand gesture' of bravely sitting on the fence while throwing things at Corbyn and his supporters.
ReplyDeleteGoing by the #MerseyBunker crowds I'm not too sure Owen Jones won very many scousers over with his inspirational rallying cry of...
"What do we want! A more MSM friendly PR media strategy that involves Owen Jones because I'M IMPORTANT DAMN IT!! When do we want it? Oh there's oodles of time to post my copy into a Guardian Op piece that Polly would absolutely LOVE to gush over."
Jones has been courting this for a long time tbh. We know all about his 'tactics' and wafer thin veneer of being a progressive here in scotland. How did your lovely interview with Kez go before the scottish election Owen old chum? Got to the heart of it did you? Course you did.
If Jones is dumb enough to try to hide from the most pivotal Labour leadership election in modern times by pretending to be above it all then he will very quickly become a sneered at joke like Galloway the amazing socialist cat.
You have to wonder if Jones has in fact been eyeing up Celebrity Big Brother or I'm a Celebrity 'gigs' in the future. Of course, like Galloway, he may have no choice in the future.
YikTyKaYak @ChoiceIsARight 1 hour ago
DeleteWhat was that? He's not electable outside London?? Err, YES HE IS! #JC4PM #Liverpool #CorbynStays #CorbynLiverpool
Ian Bradley @ijbrads66 1 hour ago Swindon, England
DeleteSooner or later the media will have to accept this is not about a cult or the loony left #MerseyBunker #CorbynStays
SaffronKim @SaffronKim 2h
DeleteSeems like the #MerseyBunker must be the biggest bloody bunker in the world! #CorbynStays
Bob Miller @hctbn 2 hours ago
DeleteComparison's can be so unflattering, so I beg @jeremyforlabour & @owensmith2016 not to look at these! #MerseyBunker
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CozGFHBXgAIevE5.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CozGJW_XEAAFPC_.jpg
The above last 6 posters are in fantasy land talking shite.
ReplyDeleteIn the real World Dan Jarvis will lead Labour. The joke Nat sis are about tae be rumbled for their lies and promises.
The Nat si middle class lawyer types are wumbled!
The troll advocates arming Leave campaigners to "defend democracy", claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs while claiming they're not insults, calls scots Jocks, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a strange, perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor
DeleteEverytime you repeat your drivel and lies is an admission from a loser. But do keep it up Fash bhoy.
DeleteThe troll advocates arming Leave campaigners to "defend democracy", claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs while claiming they're not insults, calls scots Jocks, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a strange, perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor
DeleteAnyone can easily check scotgoespop to see for themselves you are a sad little racist twat who has said every single one of those things.
DeleteNot to mention that fact that you are a complete fucking imbecile of a troll who nobody on here believes or trusts for a second.
But if you whine a little louder I'm sure everyone will suddenly treat you seriously and not mock you for being the repulsive racist troll you so clearly are.
Or not.
LMFAO!
The invertebrate doesn't even have sufficient courage in its convictions to come straight out and call us fascists and Nazis. Instead, it snivels about being picked on by "fash Nat sis".
DeleteYou have to admire Owen Jones timing if nothing else for his 'grand gesture' of bravely sitting on the fence while throwing things at Corbyn and his supporters.
ReplyDeleteGoing by the #MerseyBunker crowds I'm not too sure Owen Jones won very many scousers over with his inspirational rallying cry of...
"What do we want! A more MSM friendly PR media strategy that involves Owen Jones because I'M IMPORTANT DAMN IT!! When do we want it? Oh there's oodles of time to post my copy into a Guardian Op piece that Polly would absolutely LOVE to gush over."
Jones has been courting this for a long time tbh. We know all about his 'tactics' and wafer thin veneer of being a progressive here in scotland. How did your lovely interview with Kez go before the scottish election Owen old chum? Got to the heart of it did you? Course you did.
If Jones is dumb enough to try to hide from the most pivotal Labour leadership election in modern times by pretending to be above it all then he will very quickly become a sneered at joke like Galloway the amazing socialist cat.
You have to wonder if Jones has in fact been eyeing up Celebrity Big Brother or I'm a Celebrity 'gigs' in the future. Of course, like Galloway, he may have no choice in the future.
YikTyKaYak @ChoiceIsARight 1 hour ago
ReplyDeleteWhat was that? He's not electable outside London?? Err, YES HE IS! #JC4PM #Liverpool #CorbynStays #CorbynLiverpool
Ian Bradley @ijbrads66 1 hour ago Swindon, England
ReplyDeleteSooner or later the media will have to accept this is not about a cult or the loony left #MerseyBunker #CorbynStays
SaffronKim @SaffronKim 2h
ReplyDeleteSeems like the #MerseyBunker must be the biggest bloody bunker in the world! #CorbynStays
Ray-Ray
ReplyDelete@Ray_McRobbie
Hey! You! This is another one of those fake images, yeah?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Coy-wDTWcAA8t0J.jpg
Hahahahahahahahaahaaaa!!!
Same "no-brainer" who gushed about Owen Jones hit piece on Corbyn and his supporters today.
Beyond Satire!
"no-brainer" McTernan that is. And yes, you really do have to see it to believe it. (and even then you'll struggle to believe it, trust me.) :D
DeleteJack MendelVerified account @Mendelpol · 5 minutes ago
ReplyDeleteIn the absence of real political news due to recess, the BIG story now, is Ed Balls going on strictly... lucky us
Owen Jones,Owen Smith,Jeremy Corbyn.They all believe Scotland should be run from London,England just like Theresa May.Imperialists the lot of them.
ReplyDeleteWe know perfectly well what Corbyn and McDonnell have previously said about Indy.
DeleteCome Indy2 if they still want to sound like Theresa May and the tories poodles then that is entirely up to them.
They might want to have a look at the shattered and hollow husk of SLAB if they think that's such a great idea.
SLAB are a complete joke now and it also can't have escaped Corbyn's attention that the same Yoon lunatics in SLAB who completely destroyed their own party are some of the most vocal against Corbyn and all his supporters.
Hence the utterly comical sight of the most unhinged of them shrieking about "one Labour party" and making comical threats about 'breaking away'. As if any of them had the balls for that. Hardly. These were the same fools who spat venom at Lamont when she pointed out they were nothing but a branch office and powerless to do anything but westminster's bidding.
One of the funniest aspects of the Blairite ChickenCoup incompetence is that Corbyn knows precisely who the ringleaders are now.
DeleteHe didn't need a fucking map to lead him to who was briefing journos in the tory papers and some of the media here in scotland that the Coup Plotters were threatening to break away from the Labour party and trying to keep the Labour name.
The SLAB plotters against Corbyn are possibly the most hilarious as they are already locked into a small Yoon cult of politicians, journos and commentators who everyone knows about.
Not very hard to figure out who was behind J.K. Rowling's 'intervention' against Corbyn was it? LOL Nor is it very hard to guess who was prepared to fund the breakaway 'Labour' party the ChickenCoup Plotters were boasting about to the tory papers and media. The Cult of J.K. among SLAB and the scottish media elite is no secret to anyone.
These people are idiots. Simple as that.
The smoking crater in the ground where once there was a Labour party that utterly dominated scotland is the dead giveaway for those who somehow still haven't figured it out.
Éoin @LabourEoin 18 hours ago
ReplyDelete#Breathtaking The most accurate video footage of the true size of Liverpool Crowd for Corbyn tonight.
https://amp.twimg.com/v/20dd8aca-beda-4067-b29f-c212393ab878 … #MerseyBunker
Notable that almost all of the Blairite ChickenCoup dimwits still aren't stupid enough to try and sneer at that. Winning over cities like Liverpool? A wee bit important, to say the least.
DeleteThe westminster bubble twits are sneering of course, but they're mostly the ones cheering on Owen Smith from the tory benches/right-wing media. The same out of touch fuckwits who ensured Leave won in England/Wales.
Truth be told they are helping Owen about as much as they helped Eagle's chances back when when they were telling anyone daft enough to listed that she was somehow 'electable'. LOL
Éoin @LabourEoin · 7h
ReplyDeleteJeremyCorbyn has won 81% of CLP nominations so far. He's won 92% outside London. 74% didn't nominate him last yr. Not sure BBC have reported
Owen Jones seems to be clinging on to 'snap election' as his excuse for sitting on the fence throwing things at Corbyn and his supprorters.
ReplyDeleteCan he really know so little about politics?
Never mind the many legislative barriers and votes needed to make it happen, the simple fact is that a snap election campaign would be about one thing and one thing only.
Brexit.
How the fuck could it not be?? It is by a country mile the most urgent and pressing issue there is and the tories have no plan.
What in the name of the wee man do you think would happen to a tory party being held together by a thread that then had to fight a general election on an issue they disagree VEHEMENTLY about and still don't know what to do over??
I mean the westminster bubble twits are idiots, for sure, but even they didn't trust May to go to a leadership election involving tory members, never mind go to the country in a GE.
The kippers would rerun the precise same immigration campaign they did over Brexit and Farage would likely change his mind yet again to spearhead it. Just to ensure it's a hard Brexit totally focused on immigration.
It's not impossible the tories would be that suicidal and crazy, just massively, hugely, unlikely.
What scant plans they have for a Brexit timetable quite clearly do not involve a GE just before it or any time soon.
A snap GE relying on Labour to be split when the tory party is ready to split at a moments notice over the one issue that can't be ignored is pretty fucking bonkers even for them.
For those who somehow doubt the sheer scale of the megashambles coming down the track - 'spearheaded' by May and her cabinet of third raters and including absurd fools like Liam Fox - this is the cold stark reality.
ReplyDeleteFionaMullen @FionaMullenCY · Aug 1
This has to win the award for the best para on #Brexit - by @DavidAllenGreen
The competency of the British government to negotiate high-value complex commercial agreements on important matters at speed and under media pressure against unsentimental counter-parties can be summed up in three letters : PFI. The deals are disasters waiting to happen.
https://next.ft.com/content/a37459ac-394d-37c6-a976-6e1de6a61009 …
Should British Labour split,the most important issue will be who gets to keep the money.
ReplyDeleteThe branch office in Scotland will have a keen interest in this because their survival is entirely DEPENDENT on handouts from London.
Maybe they could try crowd funding.
Well,maybe not.
You know f all about Labour Nat si bhoy. Stick to your own mob of right wing Nat sis.
DeleteThe troll advocates arming Leave campaigners to "defend democracy", claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs while claiming they're not insults, calls scots Jocks, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a strange, perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor.
DeleteJust received an email regarding a petition to stop the Fash Jock Nat sis taking over the BBC. Looks like not all Scots are going docile.
ReplyDeleteThe troll advocates arming Leave campaigners to "defend democracy", claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs while claiming they're not insults, calls scots Jocks, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a strange, perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor.
DeleteThe duty Nat si watchkeeper on time. Whit a surprise!
DeleteThe troll advocates arming Leave campaigners to "defend democracy", claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs while claiming they're not insults, calls scots Jocks, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a strange, perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor.
DeleteJim Jung Eck will rename the BBC the Der Sturmer and have complete editorial powers. Knickerless will be on page three daily wearing her new shoes.
ReplyDeleteThe troll advocates arming Leave campaigners to "defend democracy", claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs while claiming they're not insults, calls scots Jocks, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a strange, perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor.
DeleteHabitual Nat si liar.
DeleteThe troll advocates arming Leave campaigners to "defend democracy", claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs while claiming they're not insults, calls scots Jocks, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a strange, perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor.
DeleteAnyone can easily check scotgoespop to see for themselves you are a sad little racist twat who has said every single one of those things.
DeleteNot to mention that fact that you are a complete fucking imbecile of a troll who nobody on here believes or trusts for a second.
But if you whine a little louder I'm sure everyone will suddenly treat you seriously and not mock you for being the repulsive racist troll you so clearly are. Or not. LOL
Present your evidence fash bhoy. Liar.
DeleteThe troll advocates arming Leave campaigners to "defend democracy", claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs while claiming they're not insults, calls scots Jocks, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a strange, perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor.
DeleteÉoin @LabourEoin · 26 minutes ago
ReplyDelete100% of Labour CLPs nominating tonight chose Jeremy Corbyn. Now, 93% of CLPs outside London have nominated Jeremy. That's some bunker.
ᴎᴁʙᴅ @naebD · 2h
ReplyDeleteBritnats, remember it's all digital now, you can keep watching the British telly. Take a chill pill and stiffen that upper lip.
The real reason the media don’t just report the facts and leave you to form your own opinion
ReplyDeletehttp://www.thecanary.co/2016/07/27/the-real-reason-the-media-doesnt-just-tell-you-what-happened-and-leave-you-to-form-your-own-opinion/
hardeep singh kohli @misterhsk
ReplyDeleteYou might THINK Corbyn is unelectable
Brown & Milliband definitely WERE unelectable.
They delivered ten years of Tories.
So.
Shut.
Up.
David Halliday @DavidJFHalliday · Aug 1
ReplyDeleteNats press on with the Hated Persons scheme despite a proper British Court saying its aims are "unquestionably legitimate and benign". Vile.
Lang Banks, WWF @LangBanks · 15h
ReplyDeleteNice one!.. Scotland ranks 2nd in Western European #climate emissions reductions http://bit.ly/2avYboA By @MMace57
Looks like the Blue British passport is coming back with a photo of the Queen on it. That will really piss aff the Jokes and their Irish pals. Makes yer laff.
ReplyDeleteThe troll advocates arming Leave campaigners to "defend democracy", claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs while claiming they're not insults, calls scots Jocks, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a strange, perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor.
DeleteMhairi Hunter @MhairiHunter · 7h
ReplyDeleteI'm actually glad Christian Institute is able to campaign against Named Person, for corporal punishment, against equality for LGTBI ppl, against reproductive rights, against sex education, against gender equality, for censorship etc. Positions which I find abhorrent but as long as a minority believe such stuff they have a right to say it out loud. And better out loud than whispered behind a hand.
Just one thing though ... if you find yourself lined up with the Christian Institute, don't ever call yourself progressive.
The Jock Nat sis think a 16 year old should vote. Does that 16 year old require a named person?
DeleteThe troll advocates arming Leave campaigners to "defend democracy", claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs while claiming they're not insults, calls scots Jocks, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a strange, perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor.
DeleteAnswer the question fash bhoy then enter your normal drivel.
DeleteThe troll advocates arming Leave campaigners to "defend democracy", claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs while claiming they're not insults, calls scots Jocks, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a strange, perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor.
DeleteAnyone can easily check scotgoespop to see for themselves you are a sad little racist twat who has said every single one of those things.
DeleteNot to mention that fact that you are a complete fucking imbecile of a troll who nobody on here believes or trusts for a second.
But if you whine a little louder I'm sure everyone will suddenly treat you seriously and not mock you for being the repulsive racist troll you so clearly are. Or not. LOL
Answer the question Nat si. Yawn.
DeleteAnyone can easily check scotgoespop to see for themselves you are a pathetic little racist twat who has said every single one of those things.
DeleteNot to mention that fact that you are a complete fucking imbecile of a troll who nobody on here will ever believe or trust for a second.
But if you whine a little louder like a cowardly shitebag I'm sure everyone will suddenly treat you seriously and not mock you for being the repulsive racist troll you so clearly are. Or not. ROFL!!!
Joseph Rowntree Fdn. @jrf_uk
ReplyDeleteNew @jrf_uk report shows dealing with the effects of poverty costs the UK £78 billion a year: http://bit.ly/2awjyby #solveukpoverty
Mhairi Hunter @MhairiHunter · 7h
DeleteI'm actually glad Christian Institute is able to campaign against Named Person, for corporal punishment, against equality for LGTBI ppl, against reproductive rights, against sex education, against gender equality, for censorship etc. Positions which I find abhorrent but as long as a minority believe such stuff they have a right to say it out loud. And better out loud than whispered behind a hand.
Just one thing though ... if you find yourself lined up with the Christian Institute, don't ever call yourself progressive.
David Halliday @DavidJFHalliday · Aug 1
DeleteNats press on with the Hated Persons scheme despite a proper British Court saying its aims are "unquestionably legitimate and benign". Vile.
Paul Kavanagh @weegingerdug
ReplyDelete@AngelaHaggerty Unionist parties don't get to demand respect for result of 2014 indyref without respecting promises made to secure No vote.
Krishnan Guru-Murthy @krishgm · Aug 1
ReplyDelete+ how UK-backed Saudi-led coalition has bombed food supplies and civilian infrastructure in Yemen adding to hunger #unreportedworld #c4news
David Halliday @DavidJFHalliday · 4h
ReplyDeleteA Scottish Six? Bonkers. Just bonkers. Name me one other country that has a full-service national tv news programme.
Pray For Tommy @T_Socialist · Aug 1
ReplyDeleteGMB not balloting Scottish members on the UK Labour leadership as "the party's position there is so minimal". #Ouch
Should British Labour split,the most important issue will be who gets to keep the money.
ReplyDeleteThe branch office in Scotland will have a keen interest in this because their survival is entirely DEPENDENT on handouts from London.
Maybe they could try crowd funding.
Well,maybe not.
Whatever might be happening in England with Corbyn in Scotland SLAB aren't even trying anymore.
DeleteThey have little to no activists outside a few bubbles where they still have an MSP or the one MP. (not always where there is an MSP though)
They were absolutely nowhere during the EU ref campaign which is why it was so hilarious to hear the most deluded of them complain about the SNP winning scotland to remain by a big margin.
It was the same story at the scottish elections.
Huge swathes of scotland where SLAB simply couldn't be arsed to campaign.
It was actually eyeopening to see just how little they cared about even being seen to try. (outside a handful of their media obsessed pundits and MSPs who used their usual rent-a-crowds.)
All the money in the world wouldn't make a difference to them now though the fact of the matter is they are seriously short of cash. It's all catching up to them as was inevitable. Wait till you see the Glasgow SLAB councillors panic. Some have already started.
SLAB membership outside of a Corbyn intake is still shite. The anti-Corbyn SLAB leadership has made sure even if there are new activists they won't be allowed to do anything or have an opinion. The SLAB leadership are also unlikely to beg Corbyn for help though they wouldn't be able to campaign even if they got some.
SLAB are in a death-spiral with some of the biggest Yoon Loons like Smart trying to out Yoon and out 'orange' Davidson's mob. They can't. That only ends one way and they just saw it play out the first time. The next time will be even worse for them.
There really is no way back for them. The current SLAB leadership are hopelessly out of their depth and seem intent on making a catastrophic situation far, far worse.
Hell mend them.
They were warned time and time and time again but they simply did not listen. They knew better and their media pals assured them it was all a passing phase.
Now most of them are out of a job and the rest won't be far behind. Including their lickspittle media pals.
Up to 50,000 ‘Registered Supporter’ Applicants In Labour Leadership Election Set To Be Rejected http://archive.is/fegmk
DeleteOwen Jones seems to be clinging on to 'snap election' as his excuse for sitting on the fence throwing things at Corbyn and his supprorters.
ReplyDeleteCan he really know so little about politics?
Never mind the many legislative barriers and votes needed to make it happen, the simple fact is that a snap election campaign would be about one thing and one thing only.
Brexit.
How the fuck could it not be?? It is by a country mile the most urgent and pressing issue there is and the tories have no plan.
What in the name of the wee man do you think would happen to a tory party being held together by a thread that then had to fight a general election on an issue they disagree VEHEMENTLY about and still don't know what to do over??
I mean the westminster bubble twits are idiots, for sure, but even they didn't trust May to go to a leadership election involving tory members, never mind go to the country in a GE.
The kippers would rerun the precise same immigration campaign they did over Brexit and Farage would likely change his mind yet again to spearhead it. Just to ensure it's a hard Brexit totally focused on immigration.
It's not impossible the tories would be that suicidal and crazy, just massively, hugely, unlikely.
What scant plans they have for a Brexit timetable quite clearly do not involve a GE just before it or any time soon.
A snap GE relying on Labour to be split when the tory party is ready to split at a moments notice over the one issue that can't be ignored is pretty fucking bonkers even for them.
Reads like drivel to me. The British will negotiate and the Scot Nat sis will have to accept the outcome. We are British.
ReplyDeleteOwen Jones seems to be clinging on to 'snap election' as his excuse for sitting on the fence throwing things at Corbyn and his supprorters.
ReplyDeleteCan he really know so little about politics?
Never mind the many legislative barriers and votes needed to make it happen, the simple fact is that a snap election campaign would be about one thing and one thing only.
Brexit.
How the fuck could it not be?? It is by a country mile the most urgent and pressing issue there is and the tories have no plan.
What in the name of the wee man do you think would happen to a tory party being held together by a thread that then had to fight a general election on an issue they disagree VEHEMENTLY about and still don't know what to do over??
I mean the westminster bubble twits are idiots, for sure, but even they didn't trust May to go to a leadership election involving tory members, never mind go to the country in a GE.
The kippers would rerun the precise same immigration campaign they did over Brexit and Farage would likely change his mind yet again to spearhead it. Just to ensure it's a hard Brexit totally focused on immigration.
It's not impossible the tories would be that suicidal and crazy, just massively, hugely, unlikely.
What scant plans they have for a Brexit timetable quite clearly do not involve a GE just before it or any time soon.
A snap GE relying on Labour to be split when the tory party is ready to split at a moments notice over the one issue that can't be ignored is pretty fucking bonkers even for them.
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Bumblefuck tories for unityAugust 2, 2016 at 11:59 PM
For those who somehow doubt the sheer scale of the megashambles coming down the track - 'spearheaded' by May and her cabinet of third raters and absurd corrupt fools like Liam Fox - this is the cold stark reality.
FionaMullen ?@FionaMullenCY · Aug 1
This has to win the award for the best para on #Brexit - by @DavidAllenGreen
The competency of the British government to negotiate high-value complex commercial agreements on important matters at speed and under media pressure against unsentimental counter-parties can be summed up in three letters : PFI. The deals are disasters waiting to happen.
https://next.ft.com/content/a37459ac-394d-37c6-a976-6e1de6a61009 …
The troll advocates arming Leave campaigners to "defend democracy", claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs while claiming they're not insults, calls scots Jocks, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a strange, perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor.
ReplyDeleteAnyone can easily check scotgoespop to see for themselves you are a pathetic little racist twat who has said every single one of those things.
ReplyDeleteNot to mention that fact that you are a complete fucking imbecile of a troll who nobody on here will ever believe or trust for a second.
But if you whine a little louder like a cowardly shitebag I'm sure everyone will suddenly treat you seriously and not mock you for being the repulsive racist troll you so clearly are. Or not. ROFL!!!
Liar and fash Nat si. And crawler tae Merkel. Nae dignity jist a piece off shite. Och Aye ra noo. And up yer kilt joke.
ReplyDeleteAwwww.. he's greeetin noo. Ha ha ha ha ha ha!
ReplyDeleteJoke Nat sis oot off their league trying to be involded in politics. Joke an ory
ReplyDeleteThe troll calls scottish people "jocks", advocates arming Leave campaigners, claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs, pretends to be Labour (badly) while espousing far-right racist hate-speech, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a strange, perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor.
DeleteJoke aaan oooory. Nat si losers. Sad lot.
DeleteAwooooo! I soound like a fuuuuckin looooooooon fashnat SIS!! Joke! sad. I've shit myself agaaaaain si.
Deletegood grief
Deleteis that troll for real?
even for a racist and a bigot he's a dolly dimple sadcase
are you sure that isn't an 11 year old who's using their mother's computer? rofl
Dat sounds 2 involded 2 me. Wut dus the big wurdz means. Sounds like dwibble. Fashjocknatwankjoke sis wank knickerless joke. Shite on me head kilt ra now.
ReplyDeleteMike Hind@MikeH_PR
ReplyDeleteAmusing "if we leave the EU" slip on @BBCWorldTonight by Dominic Grieve
the troll gets humiliated on here every day
ReplyDeleteeveryone can see it
you think maybe they've a screw loose
always sounds completely unhinged
The troll advocates arming Leave campaigners to "defend democracy", claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs while claiming they're not insults, calls scots Jocks, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a strange, perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor.
ReplyDeleteCraig Smith @Smicht 11 hours ago
ReplyDeleteWonder if unionists shit themselves on flights when the pilot has a Scottish accent? Surely we can't be smart enough to FLY PLANES?!?!
Excellent article in the Scotsman by Euan McColm about flag waving Nat si types.
ReplyDeleteAnd I note some of the fuckwitts were waving the EU gravy train flag. Anything tae get a grant! Get yer haun oot of ma pocket Jock.
The troll calls scottish people "jocks", advocates arming Leave campaigners, claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial and ethnic slurs, pretends to be Labour (badly) while espousing far-right racist hate-speech, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a strange, perverted and poisonous obsession with the First Minister and her predecessor.
Deletehttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36962059
ReplyDeleteThe UK economy is contracting at its fastest rate since the financial crisis, making an interest rate cut "a foregone conclusion", according to financial data company Markit.
The Markit/CIPS purchasing managers' index that showed activity in the UK's dominant services sector saw its sharpest fall in seven years.
It follows falls in both construction and manufacturing in July.
The index fell from 52.3 in June to 47.4 in July, indicating contraction.
The figure confirmed an earlier flash estimate of service sector output.
Taken together with the manufacturing and construction data, Markit said a cut in interest rates by the Bank of England - expected following Thursday's meeting of the Monetary Policy Committee - was a foregone conclusion.
Policymakers are widely expected to reduce rates from the current 0.5% to a new low of 0.25%.
Markit said incoming new business volumes fell for the first time since the end of 2012.
The pace of contraction was comparatively sharper than that seen for total business activity, and the fastest since March 2009, it added.
#Brecession
http://archive.is/eYfvb#selection-4093.0-4289.132
DeleteEurozone Economy Stays on Track Despite Brexit
The U.K.’s decision to leave the European Union hasn’t slowed economic growth in the neighboring eurozone, according to a revised measure of activity for July based on surveys of purchasing managers.
If sustained, the eurozone’s resilience in the face of a vote that creates uncertainty about the outlook for its second-largest export market will lessen the likelihood that the European Central Bank will announce fresh stimulus measures when its governing council next meets in September.
Data firm IHS Markit Wednesday said its measure of private-sector activity, known as the composite Purchasing Managers Index, rose to 53.2 in July from 53.1 in June. The final PMI for the currency area was raised from a preliminary estimate of 52.9, at which level the measure indicated a slight slowdown in July. A reading below 50.0 signals a decline in activity, and a reading above that level indicates an expansion.
“It suggests the region saw little overall contagion from the UK’s ‘Brexit’ vote,” said Chris Williamson, Markit’s chief economist.
Surely Hideaway May's cunning strategy of not having a clue what to do about Brexit will soon put a stop to that?
DeleteThe fact that she and the westminster bubble establishment are clearly terrified to even outline the bare bones of a Brexit 'plan', lest it tear her party apart, is nether here nor there.
Surely Hideaway May's cunning strategy of not having a clue what to do about Brexit will soon put a stop to that?
DeleteThe fact that she and the westminster bubble establishment are clearly terrified to even outline the bare bones of a Brexit 'plan' - lest it tear her party apart - is nether here nor there
Surely Hideaway May's cunning strategy of not having a clue what to do about Brexit will soon put a stop to that?
DeleteThe fact that she and the westminster bubble establishment are clearly terrified to even outline the bare bones of a Brexit 'plan', lest it tear her party apart, is neither here nor there
BBC pundit says Scotland can’t have it’s own 6 o’clock news because Scots can’t work video cameras [VIDEO]
ReplyDeletehttp://www.thecanary.co/2016/08/03/bbc-pundit-says-scotland-cant-have-its-own-6-oclock-news-because-scots-cant-work-video-cameras-video/
Scotland has an 1830 news. Just about enough unless you like Jackie Burd.
DeleteÉoin @LabourEoin · 6 hours ago Berlin, Deutschland
ReplyDelete13% of Labour voters (4% of electorate) say that if anti-Corbynites split to form a new party, they will follow them
Oh dear! :D
A hammerblow to the out of touch westminster bubble twits who inexplicably thought the same Blairite cowards, who didn't have the balls to challenge Corbyn themselves, would actually have the guts to start a new party and somehow find anyone daft and suicidal enough in the PLP to go with them.
Not fucking likely. LOL
The ridiculous Kippers are having a strop over who will be the caretaker between now and when Farage inevitably changes his mind.
ReplyDeleteThere's about as much chance of Farage leaving politics as Boris or Fox not wanting to be tory leader when the opportunity arises.
That tory Brexit 'plan' can't be far away, can it? ;o)
The ridiculous Kippers are having a strop over who will be the caretaker between now and when Farage inevitably changes his mind.
ReplyDeleteThere's about as much chance of Farage leaving politics as Boris or Fox not wanting to be tory leader when the opportunity arises.
That tory Brexit 'plan' can't be far away, can it? ;o)
Skier, The Italian economy is 300 billion in the shit. And the Deutsch Bank is looking dodgy. A European bank crash is possible and British banks are looking dodgy. Nothing to do with brexit just another crisis in capitalism and the poor as usual will suffer the most. Expert predicts the next bank crash in the UK will cost the taxpayer twice as much as 2008.
ReplyDeleteWow - this blog's a bit of a toilet now isn't it? Like reading guido fawkes only not as funny. I'm glad I've had a busy summer and only been able to put my head around the door once or twice.
ReplyDeleteSo where are we with Scottish independence / Brexit then? From the spluttering of horror and disbelief back on June 24th, everything would appear to have settled down. Even the polls are back where they were - and apart from a wee bit of theatre with the change of Prime Minister, nothing has happened.
It's not quite the armageddon predicted by remainians / nats, is it? There was more drama when I fed the ducks down in lake Windermere, lol!
Keep trying lads! :0)
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