Sunday, April 13, 2025

New GB-wide polls show that Labour have not budged from the rock-bottom Liz Kendall sent them to

What Liz Kendall did to society's most vulnerable certainly doesn't appear to have faded from the public's minds yet.  Two new polls from Find Out Now and Techne respectively show that Labour haven't recovered one iota from the scarcely believable sub-25 vote shares they've been languishing on.

GB-wide voting intentions (Find Out Now, 9th April 2025):

Reform UK 26% (-2)
Labour 22% (-)
Conservatives 21% (+1)
Liberal Democrats 14% (+1)
Greens 11% (-)
SNP 3% (-)
Plaid Cymru 1% (-)

GB-wide voting intentions (Techne, 9th-10th April 2025):

Reform UK 24% (-2)
Labour 24% (-)
Conservatives 22% (-1)
Liberal Democrats 15% (+2)
Greens 8% (-)
SNP 2% (-1)

Could there be at least some minor respite on the horizon for Labour, though?  They've just broken the habit of a lifetime by doing something a) relatively left-wing, and b) potentially very popular.  The Techne and Find Out Now fieldwork won't have picked up any effect of the nationalisation of British Steel (one of the flagship policies of Harold Wilson's 1964 general election manifesto!), which other polls separately showed the public wanted to happen by a massive majority.  It's amazing, isn't it - England reliably votes right-wing, but when you ask them about specific socialist policies (like public ownership or what the Americans would call 'socialised medicine') without attaching any sort of ideological label, it turns out that they're all in favour.

The Labour right certainly don't deserve any credit for very reluctantly doing what Jeremy Corbyn would have done enthusiastically years ago if they hadn't sabotaged him, but polling trends and fairness are often two different things, so I wouldn't be totally surprised if there's some sort of modest and probably temporary Labour recovery off the back of this.  It's a double-edged sword for Starmer, though, because there's a lot of anger in Wales in particular that Labour have moved heaven and earth to save a steel plant in England but didn't lift a finger when a similar scenario arose in Wales.  To a lesser extent, the same point is being made in Scotland about Labour's studied inaction over the closure of the Grangemouth refinery.

29 comments:

  1. We were better together in 2014
    We’re still better together
    We’ll always be better together

    Rule Britannia

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    1. Try telling that to the Grangemouth workers.

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    2. I still remember visiting the Ravenscraig steel works before it was closed to protect Englands green and rip-off land. Still remember 2014 - you can only stay in the eu if you vote No. another lie. Labour and the gmb union, 13 frigates for the Clyde. Another lie. Labour has lied consistently and Grangemouth is another one looming. Sarwar -where are you?

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    3. Some serious nationalist propaganda today.
      Truly desperate straw clutching stuff!

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    4. Yep, that Britnat propaganda mill is in overdrive today.

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  2. Unionists are too timid to see the big picture and sadly slavishly follow their masters in Westminster.

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  3. The decision to nationalise Scunthorpe, and not reciprocate with Port Talbot only makes sense from the perspective of the Military Industrial Complex. Scunthorpe is a “strategic asset” because it makes plate steel. Port Talbot despite being twice the size of Scunthorpe is only capable of making strip steel. Arguably, Port Talbot is a “financial strategic asset” in a way Scunthorpe is not.
    Plate steel is necessary for strategic, capital projects such as bridges and major weapons systems. If Keith turns up at the next G8 without a steel industry capable of making aircraft carriers, etcetera, all the other world leaders will snigger behind his back. Also, Keith’s handlers in Thames House and Vauxhall Cross demand that we keep sending weapons to Ukraine to maintain our proxy war with evil Vlad.

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    1. interesting point, but from what I have read 70% of the steel for the new subs and ships comes from France and I think another 10% comes from S Korea(?) - the kind of steel really matters in these projects

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    2. The steel for submarines is Navy Q1. It was manufactured at Ravenscraig. Ravenscraig retained the technical facilities ( including but not limited to an ingot moulding bay) and expertise to make Navy Q1. When Ravenscraig went, the ability to make Navy Q1 went with it, hence the reliance on France. One of the justifications for closing Ravenscraig was that it was an in-land site, unlike Port Talbot and Llanwern. Well, Scunthorpe is also in-land. In many ways, Ravenscraig and Scunthorpe are (were) comparable plants in terms of size and breadth of steel making capacity. Ravenscraig was designated by the EEC as a European Centre of Excellence for its technical department. Ravenscraig’s fatal flaw was not being located in Engerland.

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  4. Engerlund, comes first over all other countries and Labour , tories, austerity Lib Dem’s self perpetuate it. Oh forgot racist reform too.

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    1. Embarrassing nationalist bullshit!

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    2. That hit a sore spot with the Britnat troll. Truth causes them pain.

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  5. Agree the Brit nats love their bully beef or is it just bullying?

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  6. Flynn has a wee moan in the Commons about the dastardly English looking after English steel interests. Anyone really surprised that the English parlament has as its prority England and that Wales and Scotland don't count. Scotland and Wales are England's colonies. They can be treated like shit any time England wants and Flynn is just the latest generation of SNP devolutionists to stand up, have a moan and then be ignored.
    Beats me why people think that doing the same thing decade after decade will make any difference. But hey that's the extreme SNP loyalist mindset for you.

    There is no democracy for Scotland - there never has been.

    There is no serious independence party in Scotland.

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    1. IFS does nothing for Scotland but bitch and go on foreign holidays.

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    2. Anon troll at 8.12pm - not exactly an intelligent critique of my comment. But that's what trolls post.

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  7. How others see us -

    Just back from a visit to family in London/Hastings.

    Had a load of conversations with really decent, fair-minded folk down there.........but they have not one clue about what goes on in Scotland.

    We are simply not on their radar and never will be.

    'Britain' 'UK' 'This Country' all basically mean England to them.

    There is no real animus towards Scotland, they just do not consider us much at all.

    Grangemouth?
    Never heard of it.

    Starmer's lot and and all other Unionist Govts have exactly the same mindset - if they think about us at all, it is as a minor annoyance to be either slapped-down and kept in our place, or completely ignored.

    Such is the nature of this so-called 'union' and it really does put into true perspective the self-loathing and completely subservient mindset of far too many 'Scottish' unionists who revel in being treated like shit on their shoes by WM.

    This sham-union will never change.

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    1. I agree with your comment David. It is a sham union - a de facto colonial arrangement - yet independence supporters still give it credence and even a measure of respectability. That includes your devolutionist SNP leadership.

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    2. Truly desperate stuff from IFS and DF.
      People like you two are an embarrassment to Scotland.
      Stop talking bullshit , and stick yer independence where the sun disnae shine ya pair o numpties.

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    3. @3:25pm,
      Have tae agree with you, these two spout some serious bull!

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    4. I agree with me too! Sheer desperation from anyone who isn't me!

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  8. https://www.facebook.com/reel/593967379770421

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  9. The UK is already finished, some unionists don't want to realise that.. tick tock ... Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland all going different ways
    Whilst England goes into the depth of right wing losership

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    1. Cry me a river.

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    2. King and Queen WindsorApril 13, 2025 at 6:43 PM

      Hang on while I gush a bucket of tears...

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    3. “The UK is already finished……….”

      🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
      What a deluded fool at 5:53pm.
      Dear oh dear, embarrassing or what??

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  10. North Britain will always be British.

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    1. Indeed. When Scotland is an independent state, it will still be part of an island called Great Britain. That little geographical detail won't change.

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    2. Back to your flute practice ya numpty.

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