Monday, January 6, 2025

Drama as controversial blogger Stuart Campbell denounces his own regular pollster as a "fringe polling company" - has there been some behind-the-scenes falling-out, or is this just shameless hypocrisy to cover up his own embarrassment about a dodgy prediction? My guess is the latter...

Former independence supporter Stuart Campbell has a long and storied history of making bold political predictions which prove to be completely wrong, and then retrospectively coming up with excruciatingly convoluted explanations for why those don't actually count as incorrect predictions.  Often the explanations are along the lines of "obviously I would have been proved right if Completely Unforeseeable Factor X hadn't occurred" - that was why, for example, we're apparently obliged not to take any account of his announcement in spring 2023 that Humza Yousaf was definitely going to lose the SNP leadership election.  (Yousaf actually narrowly won by 52.1% to 47.9% in the second round.)

With almost exquisite timing, Campbell declared on 3rd December 2024 that - 

"We’re going to call this one early: there is zero prospect of a pro-indy majority after the next Holyrood election. None. Barring a nuclear war or an alien invasion or some equally implausible revolutionary event, it’s simply not happening"

Within less than a week, a Norstat poll had appeared showing the SNP and Greens on course to retain the pro-independence majority after the next Holyrood election.  And before the end of the month, there was another poll from Find Out Now showing not merely a pro-independence majority at Holyrood, but just as big a majority as the one that was secured at the 2021 election.  Of course none of this means that there will definitely be a pro-indy majority after May 2026, but what it does mean is that any claim that such a majority is "impossible" is left looking incredibly silly and obviously wrong.

It's been a long wait to find out how Campbell intended to talk himself out of this one, and when the moment came it didn't disappoint.  In fact, this excuse is an absolute belter, perhaps the all-time classic of the genre - 

"A few of the dimmer bulbs in the indy movement have been getting over-excited at what are still currently a couple of outlier polls from fringe polling companies, which suggest that the 2026 election could unexpectedly return a pro-indy majority due to the Unionist vote being split four ways in the wake of UK Labour’s implosion in government."

Yeah, you're way ahead of me here - the problem is that one of the two pollsters Campbell is dismissing as "fringe polling companies" is Norstat, which just happens to be a rebranded continuation of Panelbase, Campbell's own preferred polling company.  Indeed, not just "preferred" - Panelbase / Norstat is to the best of my recollection the only polling company Campbell has ever used.  He's commissioned a very large number of polls from them, certainly well into double figures, going all the way back to before the independence referendum in 2014.

This raises a few obvious questions for Campbell - 

1) If Norstat / Panelbase are a "fringe" company, why did you keep using them?

2) Why did you never commission polls from "non-fringe" companies?

3) If polling results from so-called "fringe" companies are suspect, does this mean that the results of all your own polls down the years are essentially worthless?

4) Does the 'worthless polls' designation extend in particular to the results of your propaganda poll questions about, among other things, gender identity politics and Kezia Dugdale's role at the John Smith Centre?  

To be clear, the vast majority of Scot Goes Pop's polls over the years have also been Panelbase polls (the only exceptions were one Survation poll in 2021 and one Find Out Now poll in 2023) and I've always thought they are an absolutely excellent company.  Campbell has repeatedly expressed the same view, so I've no idea why he has had this sudden and total change of heart - unless of course he's got some intense personal embarrassment he needs to hurriedly cover up.  Yes, come to think of it, that would probably explain it quite neatly.

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71 comments:

  1. Superb. Campbell caught bang to rights. Did he really think no-one would notice? LMAO

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    1. He knows his mouth frothers won’t notice.

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  2. Good to know about Nortstat, I didn't realise it was Panelbase and it did make me wonder if they were credible as had never heard of them til recently.

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  3. I'm relatively pro-wings, or at least agree with some of his frustrations, but the latest piece makes no sense.

    One hand he says "stop emptily whining about independence for a bit" until the electorate enthusiasm stacks up again. A "wooly" treading water tactic required.

    On the other, "the snp have no plan RIGHT NOW for independence". Well duh. The leadership are effectively following point one, for good or ill.

    Make your mind up, Stu.

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    1. That would require clarity of thought.

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  4. The Rev is clearly 2 choir boys short of a choir.

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  5. Musk-Campbell Fruitcake CompanyJanuary 6, 2025 at 2:24 PM

    This is no laughing matter 🤣

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    1. Just how WEE is Ifs?

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    2. Anon @3.49pm - you are a right weirdo.

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    3. You think ifs would know how wee he is? Still the majority of us rely on polling companies to give us a hint as to the current play as to the electorates views and perceptions- subject to fair and appropriate questions being asked of them.
      Based on the guidance from SGP and others it seems John Swinney has learned some lessons and is improving the lot of the snp. Makes the infighting of ALBA even more stupid.

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    4. ISP are ready to mop up the Alba quitters.

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  6. Borderline Guard of President JamezJanuary 6, 2025 at 3:00 PM

    President Jamez will always be victorious over the Bathist dogs.

    Viva President Jamez!

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  7. Poor auld Stu 😄

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  8. The Sunday Times used panelbase and is the periodical of record in the land. Hardly "fringe".

    It may be he just didn't know they'd changed name.

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    1. Oh of course he knew. In fact it's highly likely that Panelbase / Norstat contacted him directly about it.

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  9. Is there a blog or graph which details the success rate of the UK polling companies btw? That would be a good read.

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  10. Clearly now the pro indy share of the vote is above 50%, there needs to be a de facto referendum on independence.

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  11. I'm not anti-Wings; he occasionally does good articles and I still hope he'll swing fully behind Independence when the time comes. But this:

    "And it occurred to us that we had genuinely no idea what the SNP’s current official indy strategy is, because the party’s been in such farcical chaos and turmoil ever since Nicola Sturgeon’s sudden resignation. So we thought we should go and check."

    when if you look at the SNP article you see:

    "Our strategy for winning Scotland’s independence
    by the SNP
    Posted on 15 October, 2023
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    with another previous leader, dated more than a year ago, and two calendar years difference. A lot changes in that time. So how can that be " the SNP’s current official indy strategy"?

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    1. And just to make that a bit more pointed - even they don't know what their current Indy strategy is - it seems NOBODY does :-(

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    2. Campbell had his chance and blew it. We don’t need an avowed Lib Dem Anglo ripping us off again. If you don’t vote snp you really only have Brit Nat parties left.

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    3. Musk-Campbell Fruitcake CompanyJanuary 6, 2025 at 7:08 PM

      Lib Dems ? He supported the Tories at the last Westminster election. He's probably moved on to Reform.

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    4. You mean, "he'll swing fully behind Independence when the time comes if he thinks there's money in it to be made by him". Campbell is an absolute chancer.

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    5. You're such a no friends suck up fake Yesindyref

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    6. SiU at 8:58. Hi Alastair.

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  12. the SNP need to embrace islam, declare the union "haram" and denounce the anglo menace as "kuffar", then have a fatwa and a jihad for independence

    muslimism has a lot about it and we want to be on the winning team

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    1. could have legs, presbyterianism is a bit like wahhabism

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    2. taliban booted out the yanks and they were in sandals, we have better shoes at least

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    3. the Salaban are full of Jockhaggist fundamentalist extremists.

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    4. the pure forces of national wings-ism will vanquish the running dogs of bourgeois-devolutionist-reaction

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  13. Was that you just donated £75 to SGP's fundraiser? If not, why not?

    https://www.gofundme.com/f/scot-goes-pop-fundraiser-2024

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  14. The difference between Stu Campbell and James is for all his supposed ‘journalistic integrity’ Stu never wrote about the problems in Alba

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    1. He should have wrote about problems in his home county, Somerset. He isnae missed in Scotland.

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    2. Probably because Alba is irrelevant to anyone except narcissistic ex politicians and their deluded followers

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  15. All the pensioners from 11years ago are 11 years older

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    1. All the young ones from 11 years ago are 11 years older and wiser.

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    2. No wonder they're backing Yes in such numbers, then.

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    3. Many pensioners from 11 years ago are kicking up the daisies!

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    4. Nothings changed tho, as the young are 11 years older.

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    5. Anon at 8:45
      Wrong.
      A lot has changed.
      The 'young' you talk about are totally used to having 'their' main parliament in Edinburgh and most see that as completely normal.
      WM is secondary to them.
      They are also very Yes Friendly.
      Neither of those two facts will have changed much in just 11 years.
      They are Children of Devolution, unlike the oldest cohorts in Scotland and ScotGovt in Edinburgh is their natural default for where power should be held, not London.
      They, in poll after poll, find Independence more appealing than the union.
      That will not change easily.
      The elderly staunch union-diehards are now mostly dying off.

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    6. If Indy supporting parties get a majority of votes cast in the constituency vote in 2026 you accept that Indy negotiations must begin immediately. That’s good to know. And presumably Labour currently have no mandate to govern at Westminster. Refreshing approach from a unionist.

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    7. Of course Labour have a mandate to govern at Westminster, they won a landslide after all! Just as the SNP have a mandate to govern at Holyrood, as they have by far the most seats.
      It’s the vote share that will gage support for independence though, not seat numbers. So it’s stating the blatantly obvious to say if the pro Indy share of the vote is below 50% at the HR election the independence issue will be put to bed for years.
      Not too difficult to grasp surely!

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    8. Anon at 1016

      Tell me.........was the idea of an EURef 'put to bed for years' when the only Parties which wanted it had a vote-share way, way below 50% in the 2015 GE?
      Or, is your comment reserved for Scotland uniquely?

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    9. @10:16am,
      You’re correct.
      We have to hope support for pro indy parties is above 50%, which would clearly be a game changer.
      If it’s not, then sadly independence would need to be put on the back burner for a period of time.

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    10. Anon at 12:36.
      Why didn't your 'logic' apply to the holding of the EURef, with only mid-thirties percent support in the previous GE???

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    11. Why can’t Dave Francis address the point being made here???
      All he seems to want to do is deflect!

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    12. Anon at 1:20pm

      Wrong.

      I merely point out the glaring double-standards spouted by some in relation to 'the required percentage support for running referendums, in preceding elections'.
      It seems that at UK level, mid thirties percent is absolutely fine and completely mandates a subsequent referendum.......but in Scotland, it must be more than 50% to do exactly the same thing.
      Perhaps you can explain that massive discrepency.............?

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    13. You had your independence referendum in 2014. I suggest you get over it and move on.
      The majority of the Scottish people are sick to the back teeth of the nonsense.

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    14. Wrong.
      That is not how democracy works, pal and it certainly isn't up to Yoon Cretins like you to 'define' it.
      Nor is it limited to just one event, as the All-Party Smith Commission concluded in its findings that nothing should prevent Scotland becoming an Independent Nation at ANY time, should Scots so choose.
      And with ths latest polls showing a Yes Majority again, it looks like 'the majority of Scottish people' are presently telling you, you are wrong with YOUR nonsense.
      Suck it up,buttercup.

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    15. What bull from D Francis, dear oh dear.

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    16. Anon at 8:44

      While you are here.......can you answer the massive discrepency between the UK and Scotland, as regards the 'required election vote-share to mandate a referendum', which I raised earlier?
      I will wait, pal.
      No rush.
      Take yer time...............

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  16. are panelbase transparent

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    1. Yes, absolutely, they follow BPC rules and publish their data tables.

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    2. I got transparent wall and base panels for our new downstairs wet room. Better than tiles and easy to keep as clean as a vicar's whistle.

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  17. From the National: "SNP Budget to pass as Anas Sarwar confirms Scottish Labour will abstain on vote"

    It looks like Swinney's New Year speech troll worked, leaving Labour no choice. And they still get negative points for abstaining rather than voting for the budget.

    Good to see the Greens being snookered anyway. Their demands were totally over the top. The SNP should never again be forced to give in to them. In previous years they got concessions on the likes of council tax which was completely reasonable but they got power mad after the ridiculous BHA which the public didn't vote for.

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  18. Good to see a bit of political guile from John Swinney, forcing the hand of Labour and completely sidelining the Greens. Some humble pie will do Greer et al the world of good. More like this please.

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  19. I noticed someone talking to an invisible friend called Stu.

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  20. Personally I think the wee Rev Campbell is still feeling fringed by big Kezia Dugdale. Clearly the wee guy hasn't fully recovered from his disastrous court battle with Dugdale and has lost all credibility within the Scottish political arena.

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    1. Big Eater From PerthJanuary 7, 2025 at 11:15 AM

      "The SNP’s current strategy if nothing changes is to reconsider the strategy it already considered and arrived at a conclusion on and which is its current strategy."
      Wings is spot-on. I stand with Wings.

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    2. Aye the Dugdale thing “dug” deep. I pointed out to him that his arguments with Dugdale was a distraction to Independence and promptly got blocked with a few expletives. He seems to have more interest in peoples bits and bobs than Independence. Just a ruse to make money as some folk have suggested.

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    3. Wings is spot on ? Maybe 11 years ago before the Rev went gaga

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    4. Big eater from Perth. Campbell actually sets out the SNP strategy in his blog. Read it and stop telling lies. That’s a unionist trait. Oh wait.

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    5. You stand with Wings. Why can’t you fly?. And don’t let stuey boy hear you talk about wings. Men don’t have them.

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    6. Campbell has never had credibility in the Scottish political arena. He tested the waters outwith his WOS bubble, discovered no one else even knew about him, and hastily retreated back into his safe place. He attracts the mouth frothing element and his fair share of unionist trolls. To that extent he helps Indy. He is otherwise no more than a persistent troll with a hatred of the SNP.

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    7. Rubbish. The MSM despised him for a reason.

      His words carried weight in the wider movement and activist base.

      Debunked unionist nonsense quickly and intelligently giving the rest of the movement. Pete Wishart to Pat Kane got their lead from him years ago.. don't kid yourself on.

      He's descended into a bore and can only see the SNP in one way now. However, when you see the likes of Grady on the gravy train they do currently smell of Scottish Labour's entitlement at the moment.

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    8. Campbell has become a complete caricature of himself.
      He USED to be a formidable challenger to the Blatantly Unionist MSM's constant one-sided pish and his Wee Blue Book was a brilliant, invaluable tool on doorsteps.
      Now, however, his attention and focus is NOT on the even more virulent Pro-Union MSM's verbal skitter, nor even on the catastrophic WM Governance itself which has shat on Scots with Brexit and so much else.
      No.
      He is now ONLY interested on trying to destroy/cleanse/decapitate the SNP/Scotgovt - even if that means 'voting unionist'.
      The other half of his wit has long since slimed-off into the cesspit, to join its former partner.
      Still..........his site serves one good purpose if nothing else - it gives Staunch Yoons, Extreme Right Wing Shite and some other Random Dross a nice wee place to become buddies, pat each other on the back and howl at that big, white, water-biscuit in the sky.

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    9. I am increasingly of the opinion that we need a new wave of political bloggers in Scotland. With a few exceptions the current group are stale, intransigent and mired in long standing feuds with each other.

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    10. Wings jumped the shark long ago. Who cares ?

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  21. Anon at 12.46. The BBC and MSM loved him. They used him in their nasty Nat narratives, which carried weight and persuaded a lot of no and undecided voters not to change. He did so much damage and little good. His blue book was simplistic nonsense and readily debunked. Again a godsend for the unionists. His blog entries were largely Cut and paste with little comment beyond spot the difference. He took peoples money, yours included I suspect, to fund a hopeless case against Dugdale. How ironic. Took us nowhere and ten years on he remains a valuable asset to the unionists and the MSM and BBC. What a surprise. He may have taken you and some others in, but most people saw and continue to see straight through him. Look at his followers comments. Mouth frothers and unionist trolls.

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    1. What a load of absolute cobblers.

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