Wednesday, July 3, 2024

The SNP won't be too unhappy with the final YouGov seats projection

After last night's poor seats projection for the SNP from Survation, I've been nervously waiting for the final projection from YouGov, who are the most experienced firm with MRP.  It's kind of middling - they have the SNP on eighteen seats, which if you think about it isn't that much fewer than the 24 projected from last night's Savanta poll that had an outright SNP lead in the popular vote.  The important thing is that it's in line with the previous two YouGov projections of 17 and 20 seats respectively, which means there is absolutely no corroboration for Survation's view that there has been a big swing against the SNP over the campaign.  Survation look increasingly like an outlier on that point.

The individual seat projections predictably show a sea of red in the central belt, but it's broken by SNP wins in Ayr, Carrick & Cumnock, Edinburgh East & Musselburgh, North Ayrshire & Arran and also in two symbolically important seats - Paisley & Renfrewshire South (formerly held by Mhairi Black) and Mid Dunbartonshire (held by Jo Swinson until 2019).  The SNP are also on course to defeat Douglas Ross in Aberdeenshire North & Moray East but are falling short in three notionally Tory-held seats: Gordon & Buchan, Berwickshire, Roxburgh & Selkirk and Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale & Tweeddale.  All three of those are tight, though (the SNP are within five points).  The two Aberdeen seats and the two Dundee seats are all in the SNP column, although Aberdeen North is pretty close.

Fans of Joanna Cherry (which includes me) will be heartened to know that although she's nominally behind Labour, her seat is classed as a toss-up.  Deidre Brock is similarly very close to holding on in Edinburgh North & Leith, as is Alan Brown in Kilmarnock & Loudoun.  There are a handful of other central belt seats where the SNP still look to be in contention, including East Renfrewshire, which would be a very satisfying hold because the Labour candidate is Blair McDougall.

In the Western Isles, Labour are supposedly on course to defeat the SNP by 40% to 31%, with Angus MacNeil on a maximum of 7%, which demonstrates the severe limitations of MRP projections in atypical constituency races.  All of the indications from the ground are that MacNeil is likely to be in the top two alongside Labour. 

Jamie Stone is holding on for the Lib Dems in Caithness, Sutherland & Easter Ross, but only just - Lucy Beattie is estimated to be only two points behind him for the SNP.  I know many people will be sceptical about that, but with the boundary changes being so radical you just never know.

The lower bound for SNP seats is 8, and the upper bound is 34, meaning that YouGov are saying an SNP overall majority is still just about possible.

Incidentally, YouGov have made a really odd factual error in their write-up.  They say their projection of 32 seats for Labour in Scotland would return the party to roughly their level of strength from the 2005 and 2010 elections, when they had "27".  In fact, Labour won 41 seats in Scotland in both of those elections, so they'd be falling a fair bit short of that.

Meanwhile, the new More In Common projection has the SNP on sixteen seats, which is also fairly stable since the last update.

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I've previewed the constituency races in Perth & Kinross-shire and Rutherglen for The National - you can read the articles HERE and HERE.

42 comments:

  1. Just received an SNP leaflet today. It doesn't mention independence even once.

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    1. I suppose the Labour one doesn't mention any of their policies either.

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    2. Does it mention the cost of living crisis and the NHS? These are the issues the majority of Indy supporting voters want action on in the context of a G E. SNP make it clear in their manifesto, (the one you haven’t read) that Indy is the only way we will be able to deal properly with such issues. SNP postal vote already in. Enjoy your unionist M Ps and their continuation of austerity and NHS privatisation. The unionists love the gullible.

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  2. oh thats that! Vote labour - they dont mention either other than your no gettin it. Nor the EU nor Tuition fees if your english, pro Nuclear weapons and Israel

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  3. So Westminster-loving Swinney will remain as SNP "leader". The worst possible result.

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    1. Swinney has been in the job too short a time to replace him.

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    2. He’s the most popular politician in Scotland. Makes you look rather silly. Back to WOS and the Mail for you.

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  4. What about Alloa?

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    1. Labour gain, according to YouGov. I'd have to doublecheck, but from memory I think the SNP were nine points adrift, so still in contention bearing in mind the margin of error and so on.

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  5. How many Tories left?

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  6. Most people I speak to are unenthusiastically voting SNP

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  7. Encouraging poll for SNP.

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  8. Ooft - from mid 40s down to mid teens. Proportionately that’s a similar scale to the Tories losses. Those are just above my 8-15 hunch and I thought that I was being pessimistic but realistic. That 16-20 band is despite what I think that there's been an improvement in the polling in the last week. Sub-20 is a very very poor result and largely self-inflicted. While a few duds will be swept away there'll be good folks in there too.

    My conclusion at that level is that the SNP needs urgent reform, to be complete by the end of the year and gearing up for the following Holyrood election. That means ditching lots of baggage and getting evidence of delivery and progress. I'll be interested if anyone ejected as an MP breaks ranks and spills the beans on what has been going on.

    For me an acceptable result would've been that described by Savanta and written up by John Curtice - 24 SNP, Labour 22 - ie: just ahead or within 2 of Labour (as many losses would be marginal ones).

    A good result would've been 30 for the SNP and a Tory wipeout in Scotland.

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    1. "My conclusion at that level is that the SNP needs urgent reform, to be complete by the end of the year and gearing up for the following Holyrood election."

      Though I can easily see the SNP just laying the blame for the electoral losses at Humza Yousaf's feet and will claim that John Swinney wasn't given enough time to win back the necessary support but with enough time he'll turn things around by 2026 etc.

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    2. Anon at 6.52. Why are you simply making things up and posting them? What’s your motivation. It’s certainly not Indy.

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    3. Aye , there's a fair number o Britnats disingenuously posting on here.

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    4. Indeed and many of them will be English.

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    5. It's a fair point, if the SNP win less than 20 seats who's fault would that be? Someone would receive the blame as that always happens after a loss.

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    6. Why is their a need for a blame game? The Tories have screwed up royally and the zeitgeist is for change. Labour will ride that ticket. However, the honeymoon will be short and meaningless sound bites like "grow the economy" and "smash the gangs" will wear very thin very fast. Labour are chasing a poisoned chalice...and they are going to win it comfortably. They will then have to drink from it.

      Swinney and Flynn acquitted themselves well. Sometimes in politics it is just not your turn. 29 seats will be a fantastic result at this stage. However the 2011 Holyrood success was achieved with just six seats won in 2010 and no one was blaming Alex.

      Patience is a virtue.

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    7. 6 seats in 2010 wasn't a loss though. Losing over half of your seats from the previous election would be.

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    8. I think it will be a mistake if people opt for Labour but, as I said, politics goes in cycles.

      I see no need for pitch forks and flaming torches. Swinney was only in the job a couple of weeks when Sunak pressed the self destruct button. Let the Tories descend on each others necks and let Labour try to run the country. I'm sure Sunak went now because there are bigger rocks threatening the ship later in the year.

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  9. It's a decent poll.
    after the election Labour won't have anymore the advantage of opposition to a Tory Government in London, they Will quickly lose popularity

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    1. There is that. Devil's will steal it all on the other side.

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  10. Can't believe so many are prepared to vote Sir Keir Mr Brexit "never in my lifetime" Starmer.

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  11. Hi James

    2 questions… what’s the projection for Edinburgh South West and what is it for Moray West, Strathspey & Can’t Remember?

    Thanks

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  12. Turnout prediction?

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    1. I think a lot of Tories will stay at home so 62%

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  14. Regarding the Western Isles, it would be astonishing if Labour didn’t win, considering the Nationalist SG are wholly to blame for the ferry scandal, resulting in years of suffering for islanders.
    Why any sane person in South Uist for instance would even consider voting SNP is way beyond comprehension.

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    1. Suffering? Good grief! The people of Ukraine or Gaza are suffering. When was the last ferry to South Uist? Today? I grew up on one of the islands back in the 60s. Ferries frequently didn't sail. Ours was a boat that looked like the Vital Spark. We were resilient and took things in our stride. I don't recall anyone calling it suffering.

      A delayed ferry might be inconvenient but suffering? God! Have we really become that soft?

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    2. So you’re defending the SNP SG over the ferry debacle??

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    3. Goodnight Torcuil.

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    4. What debacle? A couple of new ferries for Arran are late. It is tedious but it isn't a debacle or suffering.

      Burning £1.5 billion worth of good PPE by one health authority because they ordered far too much and was life expired, that might be in the running for being called a debacle. However, I find the constant use of emotionally incontinent hyperbole infantile. It makes newspapers unreadable and I really couldn't thole to be a politician because I would find listening to such bloated bilge unbearable. I don't excuse any of the parties on this, they all indulge in it.

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    5. It’s incredible how so many continue to attempt to defend the indefensible. Clearly the SNP charlatans have had their day.
      Been a long time coming.

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    6. Anon 9.28. Britnat , probably English.

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    7. Scottish actually, but proud to be British as well.

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    8. So not a regular Indy voter then? 🙃

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  15. I’ve just been looking at the individual seat predictions on the YouGov model and some of their predictions are wildly out of step with the betting markets. For example they have Labour winning Falkirk and the SNP winning Dumfries and Galloway - both seems highly unlikely to me

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  16. Thanks for all the work, as usual! Good to see the usual bat shit crazy commenters are still alive.

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  17. will labour bring in charges tuition fees scotland

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  18. Prescription charges, tuition fees, bus travel, best performing NHS, lowest child poverty figures. List goes on. But go ahead and to put all that at risk. Well done.

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