Thursday, July 23, 2020

WHERE'S OUR DEVO SUPERMAX, GEORGE?

The other night, I happened to stumble across this Phantom Power film I took part in a few years ago.  It also features Derek Bateman, Paul Kavanagh and Janice Galloway.



I think I'm right in saying that my segment was filmed literally a couple of weeks after the independence referendum, so it's an interesting reminder of what was going through my head during that period.  Given that George Galloway has been in the news recently, this is the observation that leaps out -

"You also can look at the statements that the London parties made during the referendum...George Galloway, who normally you wouldn't think he was speaking on behalf on anyone but himself, but in fact he was the official designated representative of Better Together [in the televised debate at the Hydro], and he specifically said that not only was Devo Max on offer, but something that he called Devo Supermax.  I mean, if Devo Max is commonly defined as the devolution of everything apart from foreign affairs and defence, the mind boggles as to what Devo Supermax is, but certainly that's what George Galloway promised, and nobody from Better Together said 'actually, he spoke out of turn, that doesn't apply', so that is a pledge they made.  I think what we've now got to do is keep them to the promises that they made.  Whether they intended to make them or not, what they said is on the record."

This begs just one very simple and devastating question, which doubtless the fearless mainstream media will be persecuting Galloway with during the campaign to come - "WHERE'S OUR DEVO SUPERMAX, GEORGE?"

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202 comments:

  1. We must always think through, learn and actively counter the arguments of our opponents even including wandering 'space invaders' like Galloway.

    However, the first thought that came into my head, after reading this piece James, was that we also have to consistently point out that unionist/tory announcements are routinely composed of conscious and deliberate lies. I know that those of us in the political activism 'bubble' are all well aware of this but I've found, in a couple of conversations with neighbours during lockdown, that people still generally accept that politicians, in some way, mean what they say.
    Twice I had the encouraging experience of watching "the scales fall from the eyes" as realisation dawned that serial lying is actually a planned political strategy for the Trumps, Johnsons and Carlaws of the world.
    As we manage to get back on the political street a bit more I'm putting this approach at the top of the 'tool bag'.

    A good way to polish up knowledge is to read, "Twilight of Democracy" by Anne Appelbaum - available from the lovely Amazon if no where better is available.

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  2. Unless English George registers to vote here, he should not interfere in Scottish democracy.

    As for English Johnson, he's currently interfering in Scottish politics; he has not been elected in this country nor does he have the right to vote here either. Putin doesn't do this to Scotland.

    And the papers have all the pics of him with whisky in hand because that's what the Scotch do right?

    Personally, I'm not voting for the union unless he drinks some bru.

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    1. I believe Boris is visiting part of the UK today, and will be speaking to UK citizens. As Prime Minsiter of the UK he is perfectly entitled to that.

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    2. Hi Harry from Essex

      If he doesn't talk about Scottish indy, that's fine. If he does, he's an outsider interfering in Scottish politics.

      Oh, I see he's talked about independence...

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    3. I'm sure you'd agree that if Donald Tusk had toured the UK trying to persuade people to vote for the EU ahead of the 2016 EU ref it would have been outside interference?

      I'd have complained about that too, even though I voted Remain. In addition to be anti-democratic, it would have hurt the Remain vote.

      Hold on...

      Boris, please stay! Do a huge tour! every town in Scotland! Put on a jimmy hat and grab a can of bru!

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    4. You want to put Boris out of a job. You want him to stop being the Prime Minster of Scots. But you are now saying that he can't put his agruments for keeping his job to Scots?

      By the way the reason i don't use my name is because I don't you to keep using it in your rants. You do this alot with GWC and to be be honest its a little creepy.

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    5. ScottytheScotinScotlandJuly 23, 2020 at 11:25 AM

      Anonymous - 9.57am

      Johnson is a racist Scot hating bonking mad authoritarian Britnat Buffoon of a Brexiteer - who would want to speak to him unless it was your job to grovel to a Scot hater.

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    6. Hi harry from Essex.

      He's not the prime minister of Scotland; as you stated above, he's the UK PM, so supposed to be addressing UK citizens. There is no such position as PM of Scotland, only an FM.

      As noted, he can discuss UK issues from a UK perspective. Scottish indy is a Scottish issue ('self determination') under international law / covenants, to which the UK is a signatory. However, he's up to tell Scots how to vote even though he's not Scottish.

      It's up to Scottish unionists to sell the union to Scots, not English unionists. Johnson is doing what he complains the Russians are doing to the UK. Much worse in fact.

      I notice you ignore my comment about Tusk. Some Brits didn't want him as '(EU council) President of Brits'. Are you saying he was welcome to come to the UK and interfere in the EUref? The EU doesn't do that as it's anti-democratic.

      GWC's name isn't actually 'Glasgow working class', and it's you responding to my posts again today, just like you did yesterday.

      #stalking

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    7. I ignored your comment about Tusk because he has not the political head of a sovereign state like Boris is. If you want to make comparisons you need to comapire like for like obviously.

      As the political head of the sovereign state of the UK he is entitled to put his views about matters regarding that state to its inhabitants, this is quite normal. Its only nationalists like Nichola how travel to another country were they have zero power and make politcal statemnts to its citizens.
      https://www.scotsman.com/regions/nicola-sturgeon-joins-london-march-second-brexit-referendum-549242

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    8. It's you that compare the EU and UK to demonstrate your super duper unionism. You keep insisting the UK is a union, but now you insist it's a state, not a union. You are all over the place.

      Johnson is an Englishman interfering in the Scottish political process of self determination, just like you are. It's a characteristic of British imperial unionism.

      Sturgeon is a UK citizen and Brexit was a UK-wide referendum. Boris isn't a Scottish citizen and doesn't vote in Scotland.

      You need to make valid comparisons.

      Johnson can campaign for the UKGE in the UK (which cover Scotland) as long as he doesn't mention Scottish indy, where he should remain neutral. He's not doing that today, which I welcome as it should bolster the Yes vote. We're maybe 55% Yes now.

      Scots don't like being told how to vote by foreigners like Johnson interfering in their democracy.

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    9. Especially racist Englishman that call Scots 'vermin who should be barred from being UK PM '.

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    10. The UK is a political union
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_union

      So you can be a union and sovereign state, obviously. glad you agree that comparing Boris and Tusk is not comparing like for like.

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      Brexit was a UK-wide referendum
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      You previously have said that it was a separate referendum in Scotland. So you are saying you were lying back then?

      I also note that at the back end of last year, start of this you were waxing lyrical about once the UK was out of the EU, the leaders of EU countries could come out in support of Scottish independence. Having those leaders interfering in Scottish politics did not seem to bother you but you think that Boris doing the same is wrong? This can only be anti English racisum.

      Ultimately it was the Scottish Government that agreed that politicians could be involved in the Indy ref. If you think that was wrong you need to take up your grievances with them.

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    11. It's a decent comparison. Tusk would have been 'talking to Brits as EU citizens', just as you said Boris was 'talking to Scots as UK citizens'. If Tusk claimed the EU was a country, or Boris claimed the UK was some sort of equal partnership (you correctly point out it's not with your link), then they'd be wrong.

      I've never said that Scotland held a referendum on the EU which applied only in Scotland. What shite. You are just lying. I said Scots voted in a distinctly / separately organised referendum on the UK's EU membership held under Scots law. The vote was still about the UK. Are you an idiot or what? It even said this on the ballot paper.

      Which EU leaders (those holding official positions) have come out in support of Scottish independence? I wasn't aware of any. This seems to be another lie. I've certainly never posted about EU officials backing the Yes campaign. I'd be very unhappy if they did that.

      It seems you are just racist anti-Scottish as you are calling me racist with no basis. This ties in with you being against the existence of an internationally recognised Scottish nationality; you don't wants Scots to exist. You want to wipe Scotland from the map. There is no deeper colonial racist hatred.

      I have no idea what the incomprehensible mince in your last sentence is on about.

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    12. None. I did say that EU leaders would not do such a thing. you were the one banging on about them doing so.

      I note you had no problems with people from other countries showing their support for Scottish Indipendance:
      Having said that, the huge 'Free Scotland' message on the side of the EU Commission building last night was a nice touch by our friends on the continent.

      That and the EU parliament serenading us with Auld Lang Syne. Aye, we'll be reunited soon my friends!

      Seems they're not hanging around with the armbands etc!

      (Note: you posted this before it was revealed that this was just a publicity staunt by the SNP)

      Yet you have problems with me posting on a comments section on a small site because you consider me 'English' this can only be due to racism.

      I believe that Scotland becoming a sovereign state would hurt it economically yes, hence I don't support Scottish Independence, there is nothing racist about that.




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    13. No, I don't believe I have ever claimed any EU leaders support Scottish independence. That seems to be just a big fat lie from you. I suggest you provide some evidence.

      As far as I'm aware, EU officials have never put any 'Free Scotland' message on any EU building. Seriously, what the hell are you on? You are just ranting rubbish now.

      I fail to see how singing Auld Lang Syne is interfering in UK politics? At most it was 'If you want to come back you'd be welcome', whether that was directed at the UK or Scotland. Maybe you don't know what the words of this famous Scots song mean?

      It certainly wasn't a clear 'Scots should vote for indy' as e.g. Scotland could be part of the EU whether it was independent or not. Even then, it was sung in Brussels. It was not as if they sent a choir across to Edinburgh or something or put it on STV. No active interference.

      I think you are being pretty paranoid here. The EU has never taken an official position on Scottish indy and has never sent people to Scotland to campaign on the issue. They don't do what Johnson and you are doing. If a senior EU official wanted Scottish indy, they're welcome to hold that view. What they shouldn't have done is directly seek out Scots to tell them that, particularly in some official capacity, such as on Scottish TV or polling blogs.

      I consider you English because that's what you say you legally are; an English voter. Scottish nationality doesn't legally exist, so you can't be such a thing legally. You oppose it existing, so don't obviously want to be 'Scottish' in the conventional, national sense.

      I have legal recognition of my Scottish status; I'm on the electoral register here. This allows me to vote in elections, requires me to pay council tax on my residence, and other citizenship duties such as jury service in the Scots courts. I am Scottish in the only legal way possible currently. Anything else is just 'feelings'.

      If you can demonstrate you are legally Scottish, I'm happy to refer to you as that. It's what matters for voting.

      Maybe you feel Scottish in some cultural, blood and soil nationalist sense (certainly not in some civic citizenship sense, as that needs independence)...that you are different to English people somehow. However, under the eyes of the law, you are not. Not unless, like me, you are registered to vote in Scotland.

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    14. "I believe that Scotland becoming a sovereign state would hurt it economically"

      Ok, but it's pretty obvious you know very little about Scotland upon which to base such a view.

      How on earth would you know? You don't live here. And what business is it of yours anyway? You are not the one using Scottish public services, roads, hospitals, schools, working here... Yet you think you know what's best for those who are? Can you not see how much of an arrogant wank you sound like?

      What's your opinion on Denmark? Should they be run by Germany? Do you go on Danish forums to give them your pearls of English voter wisdom? Or do you reserve that for the Scots because you consider them some sort of inferior 'vermin' that need your English voter advice like Boris does?

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    15. not that its any of your business, but i'm in Scotland plenty. My family are up there, I work up there at times. I was also born there and lived half my life there. So I plenty of vested interest in what happens in Scotland.

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    16. "My family are up there"

      This qualifies them as legally Scottish, assuming they're on the electoral register.

      "I was also born there and lived half my life there."

      This has no meaning in law; something you prefer to actually apply given you are against Scottish nationality existing.

      Also, plenty of people who call themselves English were born in Scotland and have lived much of their lives here.

      My wife was born and grew up in Morocco, but isn't Moroccan. She's French. Birth doesn't automatically confer nationality, nor does living somewhere. It is conferred by the other habitual residents of that nation upon you.

      If Scotland votes for indy, you very likely would be eligible for Scottish nationality. That or you move here to become a legal citizen. But apart from in some nationalistic, pipes and tartan cultural sense you apparently feel, you are currently English.

      It's weird. You call me a nationalist, yet you see yourself as different to English folk based on some cultural identity thing.

      In contrast, I'm basing it on residence / civic law.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationality

      Nationality is also employed as a term for national identity, with some cases of identity politics and nationalism conflating the legal nationality as well as ethnicity with a national identity.

      Seems that's what you are doing.

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    17. "up there"

      "Some of my best friends are Scotch, you know"

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    18. No your wife is Scottish. She can't be French as she does not live in France in the same way you say that I can't be Scottish because I live in England.

      Is Morocco the country that the Brutal French empire colonised using force to put down any rebellions as recently as 1947.

      How comes you are considering becoming a citizen of a country that has such a brutal history?

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    19. My wife has French citizenship and a passport. She's legally French.

      She's also a Scottish citizen on the electoral register here, so yes, legally Scottish too (for civic purposes).

      This isn't complicated stuff.

      Show me your Scots passport / legal citizenship documents and we can clear all this up.

      What on earth does the French empire have to do with the independence debate in Scotland? Fucking right the old imperial french were wankers. As far as I know, Scotland wasn't part of the French empire, so I don't understand the relevance.

      But yes, it's the same modern France that's happily agreed to multiple irefs in New Caledonia. As opposed to telling New Caledonians that it's the decision of the French in France not them, and refusing a section 30.

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    20. It dosn't it has why you want to become a citizen of one country that had a brutal Empire but want to stop being a citizen of another . The UK gives referendums to its over seas territories in the same way that France does so they are exactly that France does so they are they same in that respect.

      Of course the Scot Gov has passed legislation to hold a referendum, you need pressure them to into holding a referendum based on that rather than blaming another country.

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    21. The French are not, as far as I'm aware, continuing to be a brutal empire that refuses democratic referendums to 'colonies'. The Brits by contrast are illegally occupying other people's territory in breach of international law for the purposes of military expansionism (Chagos Islands). They are also refusing Scotland the right to self determination by the means they signed up to (Edinburgh agreement and Smith Commission) just a few years ago.

      France is also a democracy, unlike the UK, which has unelected lawmakers, including clergy (like Iran) and an unelected head of state who is also head of the official religion (again like Iran).

      The two are not really comparable. And anyway, I'm not a French citizen, although I'm eligible. If I chose to become one, I will consider the current behavior of the French state in that, not one from the past. If I was to even consider voting for the UK, it would need to first allow me to vote for the union. As Britain won't even let me be a unionist (no Section 30!), I think it's fair enough to say I don't want to be one. The first stage in me considering unionism would be the union giving me my right to vote on that freely via a Section 30.

      It would also need to withdraw from the chagos islands to allow the chagos people their homeland once more. And end the house of lords. Also make the UK a democratic one nation one vote union like the EU. Among other simple requirements.

      This is not a lot to ask and very democratic / pro-human rights. Also pro-union.

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    22. What colonies is Britain refusing a referendum to? Must of missed that...

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    23. The chagos islands for a start.

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    24. They have asked for a referendum? You got a link to that bit of news please.

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    25. I don't think it could be more colonial to mass deport people from their land in breach of international law so you can use it to build military bases to enforce your might on a region far from your own land.

      It's brutal empire stuff.

      Imagine the French, rather than happily agreeing to multiple irefs in New Caledonia, instead forced all the natives from the island, deporting them to far off lands, so it could built large military bases there.

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    26. The Chagos islanders want their land back so they can vote there and decide how it's governed, which includes the holding of referendums.

      https://news.sky.com/story/chagos-islands-britain-an-illegal-colonial-occupier-after-failing-to-hand-back-control-11866898

      Chagos Islands: Britain an 'illegal colonial occupier' after failing to hand back control

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    27. As for me, I am legally pro-indy because the British won't let me be a unionist. They refuse to agree to a referendum in Scotland, meaning my 2014 Yes vote can't be changed in law.

      So it's the unionists pushing nationalism on me. They won't give me a choice here. By contrast, the SNP wish to give me the opportunity to become a unionist if I want, in law.

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    28. The chagos thing isn't obviously my opinion, but the majority opinion of the whole world. The world's nations have united on this.

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    29. So the UK Gov has not refused any referendums to its colonies, you just made that up. Glad we have cleared that up.

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    30. It's refused the chagos islanders the right to vote in the chagos islands, including in referendums; these being a normal part of democracy. But you go on kidding yourself.

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    31. Nope you said:
      refuses democratic referendums to 'colonies'

      This was a lie you made it up. As a scientist you must understand the importance of accuracy when stating something.

      A agree the UK should hand back the Chagos Islands. But that is a separate matter.

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    32. The Chagos Islands case is no different to e.g. the UK forcibly occupying part of Denmark, deporting the inhabitants en masse, and building military bases there, all in breach of international court rulings.

      It's brutal colonialism.

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    33. You just misunderstood what I said. Sorry you misunderstood.

      "that refuses democratic referendums to 'colonies'."

      This means 'refuses to allow colonies to vote in democratic referendums'.

      But hey, voters think small matters of wording is important. It's that which has pushed Yes to 54%, not the e.g. refusal of a section 30.

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    34. Chagos islands belong to England.

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    35. Those imperial possessions are so very important.

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  3. I am enjoying these juxtaposed headlines on the front page of the English state broadcaster.

    Coronavirus: Boris Johnson says response shows 'might of UK union'

    Coronavirus: UK's pandemic planning an 'astonishing' failure, say MPs

    Coronavirus: MPs say Chancellor 'turning his back' on people needing support

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  4. Random Totty From Freedom SquareJuly 23, 2020 at 10:20 AM

    I would like to be in one of the films that James makes in his hitchen.

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    1. Me too

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    2. I want Pamela Nash to front things up.

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    3. You'll get Boris and like it.

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  5. Big Eater From PerthJuly 23, 2020 at 10:46 AM

    I feel that this film was encrusted with gems and pearls of wisdom – even if it failed to make full use of the the intellectual commentary that has been available over the last six years.
    But what I really want is UDI with a Cherry on top!

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  6. https://www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-ban-scottish-people-from-being-prime-minister-2019-6?r=US&IR=T

    Boris Johnson said Scottish people should not be allowed to be prime minister

    #scotslivesmatter

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  7. Tusk did plenty of interferring after the 2016 referendum. 13 billion a year into the corrupt EU coffers was a big hit to the mafia.

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  8. New description of Scotland from 'Boris' Johnson:

    "This place, around Orkney, they could supply 25% of the UK’s energy needs if they had the infrastructure to go with it..."

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  9. Irish Skier is super creepy. He's an international man of mystery.

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  10. The MIGHT of the UK is it?
    Aye, they MIGHT have kept their promise to keep us in the EU and deliver defacto federalism with super Devolution. But they DIDNAE.
    We noticed, and the same trick disnae work twice. It's full blown independence now with majority support.

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    1. Thank god we don't have federalism. The British English would be sending in the federal gestapo like Trump is doing to democrat cities and the Spanish fascists did to Catalonia.

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    2. Very funny Skier, Jews are expected to leave France in their tens of thousands. Merkel asks Jews not to wear traditional dress. And all this in the EU. Who are the real fascists Skier!

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    3. Covidia is looking forward to being issued with its little Britnazi uniform and its little notebook.
      It is an obedient colonial servile.

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    4. Another anti semitic nat si. Was old labour too moderate for you.

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    5. GWC, this is a friendly piece of advice. You might think it's fine to hide behind a moniker, but all the posters on here are real people, and this is still the real world. So watch your language, or find a very good lawyer. You're crossing a line now.

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  11. Anyway, I thought the union was safe now a Section 30 was refused.

    That and Sturgeon's a unionist stooge.

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    1. ScottytheScotinScotlandJuly 23, 2020 at 11:02 PM

      Skier - you really really really must stop these slurs on our glorious leader the FIrst Minister of Scotland. Just stop it.

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  12. A little souvenir of a terrible year -

    https://getoutside.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/local/fed-geo-of-arsdale-orkney-islands

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  13. 46k deaths from covid shows 'the might of the UK'?

    The man is sick. He should be apologizing for mass loss of life he's responsible for (for not locking down earlier), not trying to gain political capital.

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    1. You... you do realise we're all laughing at your inane droolings, don't you?
      You're even more pathetic than Covidia, and that takes some doing.
      Now run along and tidy your room before you forfeit this week's pocket money.

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    2. So the spineless wretch pulled its comments to make it look like I was having a go at Skier.
      This, folks, is how the bravest fighting soldiers of the British nationalist cause behave.
      Cowards, one and all.

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  14. Here's your devolution, UK wide, sorry Scotland you don't appear to be on the map lol!

    'Scotland is no more important than a town council' in Englandshire somewhere.

    https://devoconnect.co.uk/

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  15. Might this work...
    devoconnect.co.uk/devointelligence/

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    1. Just search for it...it's weird.

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    2. Sorry, no luck there. I tried entering "Scotland" into the tag field and two items came up. Both from 2017.

      There was also a reference to "The North", but that wasn't it either.

      Though maybe that's your whole point...?

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    3. Where are you going to take your fathomless ignorance after Scotland says bye-bye to your masters, lickspittle? They're not going to want you anyway after your usefulness (if that's the right word) to them is finished. (Just look at how BoZo ditched the DUP-es after they ceased to be needed.)

      It's pathetic really how some people are so witless that they can't see just how they are being played. It takes a special talent to be so malajusted to reality as to be completely unaware that they are despised by everyone, including the people on whom they are so pathetically dependent.

      It isn't reciprocated, moron. They don't need you. They don't like you. They make jokes about you, sometimes in public even. So bang away on your big drum like a wee kiddie and chant your vacuous slogans if it gives you some kind of reassurance, but you're rapidly running out of road.

      When the divorce deal is done, as it surely will be before long now, your masters will cut and run, and you will be just so much collateral damage, so much disposable waste. Then all your idiot slogans will turn to dust in your foul mouths.

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  16. What if we name independence, 'Indy Super Max', joking!

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  17. A treaty was signed by the Uk,Netherlands,Belgium and France for Eurostar travel on 7 July 2020. NEW UK border control will be based in Rotterdam and Amsterdam. Further proof that the UK does not need the EU vipers in our lives. Wonder how many Nat zis crawlers knew this. Poor paddy skier your mafia is crackin.

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    1. So much for Britain taking control of Britain's borders and going it alone.

      Instead, the border will be in the Netherlands on Dutch territory and ultimately controlled by them.

      That will be the UK over a trade barrel any time the Dutch want something. It's the N. Irish border and the backstop all over again.

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    2. Rubbish the borders will be in St Pancras and the other stations. PURE desperation Skier. The treaty was an inter government and not with the EU criminal.org.


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    3. This is just Juxtaposed border control its been going on for years. All it means is that the border checks happen on departure rather than arrival. When I get on the Eurostar to Paris the French officials undertake their border checks in the UK and on the way back the British officials undertake their border checks when I am in France. The actual legal borders of the respective countries do not change. Its quiet a simple and easy process to be honest, just the reverse of what normally happens.

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    4. There'll be no Minecraft for you when your mum sees this, junior.

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  18. Skier, the UK border force are located in Brussels, Paris and now Amsterdam and Rotterdam. We control our UK borders. Time to leave the EU gravy train.

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    1. Are you mad? If your border is on someone else's territory, they control it and can close it down at the drop of a hat.

      If you want to control your borders, you put the infrastructure on your own territory.

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    2. You have lost the plot skier, driving the post bus in the utter hebrides is not border control. Clearly you have no idea about the Eurostar and its logistics. The participants have mutual agreed border controls in each station. You pass two border controls in each station.

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    3. I'm just surprised you want to be so closely integrated in Europe that the official British border is in Europe on someone else's territory; i.e. you are heavily dependent on them for enforcement. It's not really independence is it.

      I thought the UK was 'tacking back control' and the British border would be on British territory.

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    4. We were always integrated with Europe but not your EU masters. It will collapse eventually like most corrupt institutions. Get on board Skier.

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    5. It's not your job to be as confused as Covidia.

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    6. We were always integrated with Eurasia. We have always conducted a trade war with Eastasia.

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  19. Herman Barny yer demanding access to British territorial fishing grounds. Crash out Boris and offer fair trade deals with all countries. Ignore the EU pariahs. Close down their bank accounts, end EU corruption.

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    1. Covidia much prefers good old fashioned British corruption, as do its Tory overlords' donors in Moscow.

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  20. ScottytheScotinScotlandJuly 23, 2020 at 11:09 PM

    The UK gov have been too busy handing out dodgy single bidder contracts to their Tory pals for 100's of £ millions to bother about saving lives.

    Capitalism and culling - the Tory way. The Labour Britnats only sorry they are not getting in on the action.

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  21. Getting back to the original theme, I hope that someone somewhere has a stack of video clips of the likes of Georgeous and Federal Broon writing all their Unionist blank cheques in full public view. All ready and waiting to be replayed the next time round. It will be a hoot.

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  22. Some folk in Dundee want to know where the monies stolen from Labour Clubs in the 1980's went to.

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    1. Are those folk in care homes? Avoiding covid. Scottish Middle Class Scottish Nat sis would not know where working classes met.

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    2. Seek professional help for that warped obsession, you sectarian nightmare.
      Immediately.

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  23. Young James has been led astray by the nat sis. Now he has a collection of pictures of Art Donaldson in leather shorts.

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    1. Glasgow Working ClassJuly 24, 2020 at 10:44 AM

      You should know as your right wing friends murdered a lot of Jews, Poles, Gypsies during WW2. I bet you sleep on a pillow with the image of Adolf. You probably get aroused of the sight of the SS.

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    2. Covidia would vote for Yaxley-Lennon if he ran for Holyrood next year, even if he is a bit of a leftie for Covidia's tastes.

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  24. Smash THe Jock RAJuly 24, 2020 at 11:14 AM

    I've got the naga munchetties. You are economically illiterate. You will collapse.

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  25. Dear GWC, you have bored us all to distraction with your pet obsessions, but the point of the article was that the Union has busted every one of its dubious promises. So instead of your incessant infantile carping, here's a challenge: can you beat Bozo, and provide us with some kind of positive case for staying in your preciousss Union, given that all the "reasons" offered in 2014 by the likes of Georgeous and Federal Broon are a spectacular bust?

    (Well, it should be an absolute dawdle to beat Bozo's lame "broad shoulders" excuse of a "reason", which only means that he borrows money on our behalf, mismanages it, then insists we pay it all back with interest while somehow also being grateful to him for it?)

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  26. I am GWC. EU transition ends 31 December 2020. Looks like the EU are deliberately dragging out the negotiations and it is a crash out on WTO rules. Remember to renew your passport if travelling to Europe and it is due to expire early 2021. It will not be a happy new year for the EU grovelling Jocks. And we can expect an announcement from the Nat zis on a new Scottish currency. AYE.

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    1. There's a massive backlog in British passport processing right now.

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53494998

      Coronavirus: UK passport application backlog reaches 400,000

      I'm fine of course. I'm good for the UK and EU with my Irish one.

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  27. Skier is an asset of the Army Council. I have a thing about men in balaclavas.

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    1. One from the archives for Covidia:
      https://youtu.be/_Pws_cquzns

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  28. The good news is that Scotland will be overtaken on obesity by England and Wales by 2035.

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    1. They've certainly whizzed passed us on stabbing each other.

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    2. They certainly have Skier. Black Lives do not Matter down there. But we should not be complacent.

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    3. English/British lives do not matter you mean.

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  29. As per my post above, it is Britain / the UK government preventing me from being a unionist. They make me a pro-indy voter by refusing to let me change my 2014 vote if I want.

    It's not possible for me to legally support their union because they refuse to give me that opportunity by refusing a section 30. They are stopping me voting for the UK.

    The British have legally made me legally pro-indy in perpetuity.

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  30. Big Eater From PerthJuly 24, 2020 at 12:35 PM

    If GWC should post on my board then I will crush him like a pre-prandial prawn cracker. Unlike Kelly I do not flinch at Unionist insults.

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    1. Snivelling Tory toady threatens violence from the anonymity of its computer screen.
      Pathetic.

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    2. Big Eater From PerthJuly 24, 2020 at 3:32 PM

      “Akismet” as our Turkish friends say. If you think you can play with the big boys...

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  31. Big Eater From PerthJuly 24, 2020 at 3:43 PM

    Visit my website and see why I say that the roadmap to independence is like a buffet.

    It's all ours to take!

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    1. Stuart Campbell is like a box of chocolates.

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    2. There was a time in history when Scottish men from Perth run the British Empire. The Black Watch and others. Now we have a bunch of nancie boys like Big Eater who want everything on a plate from the DWP.

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    3. The Empire was English jock scum. All you did was shine our shoes.

      Boris is right that you Scotch unionist wasters shouldn't be allowed into No. 10. Subsidy junkie vermin the lot of you.

      At least Sturgeon and her nats have the balls to stand on their own two feet.

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    4. Big Eater From PerthJuly 24, 2020 at 6:55 PM

      You want something on a plate from the DUP. I won't bother casting the pearls of the Tay before swine. Or even mention salmon.

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    5. It must have been fun for Covidia to discover how worthless its efforts are to its Tory overlords.

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    6. Aaron sounds a bit like Scottish Skier.

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    7. Covidia's all hurt because its overlords don't need it anymore.
      This is hilarious.

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  32. I hear she was nicknamed the goalies daughter, she let everything in except the baws. I will buy Scatland and make it my largest golf course. The ninth hole will be in Perth.

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    1. Covidia is a big fan of the Donald.
      It's that bizarre and unnatural colour he paints himself that excites Covidia.

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  33. Hi, GWC. I offered you a challenge upthread that any blue-blooded champion of the British Union should have found irresistable. Instead? What a total let-down. Just more of your usual negative empty whinging from you and your replicants. You totally failed to rise to the challenge. Where is all this bounteous "Union advantage"?

    Oh, of course. It doesn't exist. Even its woeful adherents know this in their hearts, even if they can't admit it, even to themselves.

    Next referendum the BritNat chickens come home to roost and you are history. Embrace it now, so it will be less of a shock.

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    1. It is actually up to you nat sis to demonstrate your bounteous alternative and how the working classes will be better off. We have what we have so you improve on it. Simple question again (yawn), what will be our alternative currency be? And where will our central bank be located?

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    2. They've finally realised how useless Covidia and its fellow travellers are.
      This is very amusing.

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  34. For all English Nationalists shout about *British* Independence
    they're awfy afraid of actually having it when Scotland says fine you can have it and we'll have ours

    England just can't stand on its own two feet

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    1. Fine.
      Where would you like us to hand over your precious nukes?
      We don't need them.

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  35. Stuart Campbell writes an entire article about an SNP MP saying something he provably never said then uses his article to imply that it's the sort of thing the SNP would say

    What makes this worse slime than the Daily Mail or Express is that the morons below the line actually fall for it as a discussion
    They're so stupid they can't see that Campbell is making a complete fool of them and laughing into the bargain

    Campbell has turned himself into the complete poison dwarf for the same people who are paying George Galloway

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    1. I started building a Kenny MacAskill in my basement. Then there was a flash of lightning and it came to life.

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    2. Prove it wrong

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  36. This is what I said at the time but unionists on here attacked me for it.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53525450

    Coronavirus: We could have done things differently, says PM

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    1. That last sentence applies to almost everything in life. Boris did not empty beds in Scottish NHS hospitals and throw the auld yins to their early death in care homes. If only! It is time Skier you stopped rejoicing in death.

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    2. I still find it weird you still think the best place for those most at risk of covid is where covid infections rates were the highest in the whole country, i.e. hospitals. Hospitals are the most disease infested places you can find.

      Did you not see the bodies piling up outside of Italian hospitals? That's where you'd send the old folks to protect them? Sending the elderly to hospital is what caused the massive death count in Italy you prize idiot.

      Thank god the elderly were sent home. God knows how many would have died if they'd not been.

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    3. Every medical expert agrees getting the most vulnerable away from hospitals before the covid infected started flooding in was exactly the right thing to do. It's nonsensical to suggest otherwise in the face of all the evidence.

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    4. Some experts eh! Why did so many die in care homes.

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    5. All the Governments in the UK, as Skier says, followed the advice in removing patients from hospitals back into care homes /homes etc.

      What they failed to do was test these patients before returning them. Was Nicola has said previously and Boris alluded to yesterday, if what was known then what we know now about the role that asymptomatic cases of Covid being a driver in the spread of the virus, things would of been differently; people would of still been sent away from hospitals but they would of been tested first along with regular staff testing etc.

      Probably the main failing that will come out in the enquires in each of the countries of the UK is the lack of community testing early on in the epidemic. If you are only testing systematic cases, then you are not going to pick up on the fact that there are more asymptomatic cases around than you through.

      The lack of testing means that you rely on modelling, but because of the lack of testing the models don't have the correct percentage levels for asymptomatic cases fed into them which means that the models underestimate the spread of the virus and the vectors in which it spreads.

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    6. Skier you claim that Boris is a mass murderer. He is not an expert he listened to his so called experts.
      The Scottish Gov initially followed his lead. Why did the Scottish Gov not have an earlier dockdown assuming they have wiser experts.

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    7. Yes, the issue was not testing; SAGE didn't appreciate the need for this, particularly due to the prevalence of asymptotic patients.

      Getting the elderly out of hospitals was absolutely right decision. Testing every single one of them, even if they appeared completely healthy, would have saved more lives in retrospect.

      Scotland did lockdown earlier; at just over 10 dead while Johnson waited until over 300 were dead.

      This is why England has one of the largest death tolls in the world and Scotland doesn't.

      It's why Johnson is saying he was wrong and Sturgeon was right.

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    8. The legacy of Scotland's much earlier lockdown on the virus timeline is still acutely visible.

      In the past 6 days, the UK reported 404 new registered covid deaths (daily data).

      Scotland reported zero. Per capita, you might have expected 32 of that 404 to be Scottish, but it was zero.

      Scotland locked down essentially as soon as it had the powers to do so and the wage support to allow it. If independent, it could have done this earlier and have a death toll in the hundreds rather than thousands.

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    9. In the last 27 days (28 June onward), Scotland has registered 9 covid deaths (daily data). The UK has registered 2164 (daily data).

      That is a UK per capita death rate 19 times that of Scotland.

      A direct result of Scotland doing things differently.

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    10. ScottytheScotinScotlandJuly 25, 2020 at 3:20 PM

      Anonymous - 1.27pm - you have no idea that the old folk moved from hospital without a test had anything to with infecting others in care homes. Just baseless speculation. In fact old folk are more likely to display symptons right away and therefore would have been tested and kept in hospital. Getting pretty fed up with people like you promoting baseless speculation.

      Any asymptomatic spread into care homes is more likely to come from Staff. As Skier said getting the elderly out of hospital was most definitely the right decision as they would not be showing any symptons and were more likely to catch it the longer they stayed in hospital.

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    11. It was the right at the time based on the information at the time, i've never said it has it wasn't. The fact is with hindsite something went wrong. You can't say the fact that 46% of Covid deaths in Scotland (20% in England 27% in Wales) happened in care homes is not a problem. This is not a matter of assigning blame, its a matter for all the Governments to accept that mistakes were made, find out what caused them (whether that be asymptomatic cases, testing, lack of medial care lack of PPE etc) and make sure they don't happen again.

      Every Government in the world will of made mistakes during this pandemic. Anyone who tries to argue otherwise is lying. The key now, especially heading towards the winter, is to learn from them.

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    12. The reason the % in care homes is higher in Scotland is blindingly obvious.

      Scotland has a lower death rate than England and Wales (daily figures, although Welsh numbers are getting rather small to be statistically significant).

      Here, a lot less died in total, so the deaths are concentrated among the most vulnerable individuals, i.e. the most likely to die. Which is the elderly in care homes.

      The fewer deaths you get in a country, the greater the % dead will be in the elderly / vulnerale groups, just like flu mainly kills in this group. It take a really killer flu before the % young rises, dropping the % old as a result.

      The poorer the covid outbreak control and treatment, the more young are killed as well, decreasing the % of elderly of the total. The much larger numbers of younger folk that died in England is a sign they UK government did a worse job and ties in with the death rates being still 19 times that of Scotland.

      I thought everyone understood this pretty basic stuff.

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    13. If I keep covid under control and only 100 old and vulnerable die, the 100% of deaths were in care homes. Seasonal flu type situation.

      If it gets out of control even young people are dying because it's spreading so quickly with poor early medical intervention, then say 200 old people and 200 young die.

      So, 50% of the dead are in care homes; much less than in the first case.

      But that's not a good statistic, it's a terrible one.

      The higher care home death numbers say Scotland keep the virus contained and the outcome was more like seasonal flu as a result.

      Of course if all the elderly sent home had been tested because SAGE advised this and the UK had developed the capacity (new virus outbreak control being a reserved / SAGE matter), the yes, the care home deaths in Scotland would have been even lower. It is a matter of great regret for Sturgeon.

      As a lawyer, she had to rely on the advice from UK SAGE. She's not a medical expert in any way. Of course she's now set up her own advisory council in light of what happened.

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    14. The much larger numbers of younger folk that died in England

      But this isn't true. 91% of the deaths in Scotland were people over 65. In England its 93%.

      Anyhow telling that rather than wanting to engage in a discussion on the merits of governments learning from mistakes so that they don't happen you instead decide to turn it into a attack on England. This can only be down to deep seated racist hatred of a country and its people.

      Health and social control is devolved. Please stop blaming other people your own Government's actions, its disgusting and vile.

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    15. ScottytheScotinScotlandJuly 25, 2020 at 7:39 PM

      Anonymous - what is disgusting and vile is a country that has looted the world of its resources and pretends to itself that it was the world's great benefactor.

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    16. There are 41k dead in England and just 2k in Scotland. Deaths per capita are 1.6x higher. It's very true.

      You will need to point out where I 'attacked England'. Isn't the UK government the 'Scottish government'? You were saying the other night that the Westminster is the 'Scots government', boris the 'Scots PM' etc. If I attack them, I must therefore be anti-Scottish surely? Unless you think they are English first and foremost? In which case we need independence.

      As for the stats...I don't see how you've disproved what I said. In fact, you've supported my conclusion.

      The most vulnerable groups are as follows:
      1. Those over 65 in hospitals (at least prior to the strict separations that were made)
      2. Those over 65 in care homes (think cruise liners)
      3. Those over 65 not in care homes (so can better socially distance and are less likely to be sharing carers)

      As I said; the less that die, the more the demographics are skewed to the most vulnerable groups.

      We have more dead outside of care homes in England because the outbreak was worse. The next most vulnerable group was dying.

      This is really simple stuff.

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    17. Only 100 over 65s dead in care homes = 100% of deaths in care homes

      100 over 65s dead in care homes + 100 over 65s dead outside of care homes = 'only' 50% of deaths in care homes

      This is like primary school level.

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    18. I am so fucking glad London was not fully in control of things here.

      We'd be looking at coming on for double the number of deaths. If we expand numbers from England to Scotland per capita.

      I am also glad Sturgeon expressed regret for the care home deaths nearly 2 months ago. Boris even now won't say he regrets what has happened there nor takes responsibility for it. We are only getting a reluctant 'some mistakes were made'.

      Makes me sick.

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    19. Scots agree with me on how sturgeon / the SNP vs the Tories / Boris have handled covid.

      https://whatscotlandthinks.org/questions/how-good-or-bad-a-job-has-nicola-sturgeon-done-in-responding-to-the-coronavirus-outbreak/

      How good or bad a job has Nicola Sturgeon done in responding to the coronavirus outbreak?
      74% Good
      14% Bad

      https://whatscotlandthinks.org/questions/how-good-or-bad-a-job-do-you-think-boris-johnson-is-doing-in-responding-to-the-coronavirus-outbreak/

      Johnson:
      21% Good
      60% Bad

      Scots think as I do because they're not stupid and the reality is there for all to see.

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    20. We have more dead outside of care homes in England because the outbreak was worse. The next most vulnerable group was dying.

      Nope you have that the wrong way around. 9% of deaths in Scotland were under <65 7% of deaths in England <65. More of the next vunerable group were dying in Scotland (as a percentage of the total.)

      Anyhow as I said this is not a competition about who did better or worse. Across the countries of the UK and outside of the UK as well there was a disproportionate number of deaths due to the lack of knowledge at the beginning of the epidemic.

      ****
      We'd be looking at coming on for double the number of deaths. If we expand numbers from England to Scotland per capita.
      ****
      Your just spouting random numbers now. For someone who makes a big deal about being a scientist you don't seem to care much for accurate data. If Scotland had England's death rate Scotland would not even have a quarter more deaths per capita, let alone coming on for double the number of deaths.

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    21. N. Ireland is of course the part of the UK that has had the lowest number of deaths of all, including per capita, we can assume due to it not having a land border / high traffic with England.

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-52774149

      Coronavirus: Care home residents account for more than half of NI deaths

      The less deaths there are, the more it's confined to the most vulnerable living in close proximity.

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    22. 9% and 7% are not different in terms of statistical significance. They are within a tiny +/- 1% error margin for example.

      This should be obvious from early high school mathematics.

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    23. Yes, it's not a competition.

      However, unionists are trying to make political capital out of the tragic deaths of people's grannies.

      By contrast, I am just explaining the true reality of the % death in care home statistics. While it might sound terrible, it's a reflection of how well the outbreak was contained.

      The poll show that Scots are intelligent and can spot lies; hence Sturgeon up there at 74%.

      Incidentally, that is, within error, the number that identify as Scottish in forced choice national identity (Scottish vs British). Also the number that voted Yes in 1997. The upper limit for Yes in iref2 I imagine also.

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    24. 9% and 7% are not different in terms of statistical significance
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      I agree so your claim that the 'next vunerable group' was dying in greater numbers in England (as a % of deaths) in England than Scotland was incorrect - glad that's cleared up.

      You are correct NI has a higher % of deaths in care homes than England and Wales (54%) its deaths in age groups below 65 is comparable to England and Scotland (8%).

      This is not about making politcal capital, its about analysing data finding out what when wrong and putting in measures to stop it happening again. This happens all the time and is quiet normal. I have stated no lies just basic facts based on the must upto date data available. You have done the opposite ie saying that Scotland would have the double number of deaths per capita if it had England's death rate. As you say lies like this are easy to see through and dispute.

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    25. No, my claim is correct. You provided the numbers to prove it for me.

      You clearly showed that over 65's in England were dying in far greater numbers in their own homes than was the case in Scotland. These being the next most vulnerable group after over 65's in care homes. The virus was out of control in England; hence it has a death rate ~20 times that of Scotland per capita for the past month. In Scotland, it remained largely confined to the highest risk places with the most vulnerable people; care homes. Just like seasonal flu.

      Only someone thick as pigshit wouldn't understand this.

      Scots are not thick as pigshit, hence the SNP and sturgeon soaring in the polls.

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    26. I notice you also didn't account for Scotland having a larger fraction of the population over 65, making your direct comparisons statistically invalid. A schoolboy error.

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    27. Of course per capita - which you favour - the number of covid related excess deaths in care homes in Scotland is around the same as in England (ONS/NRS).

      The difference in England, is that the outbreak killed many more outside care homes because it was less well controlled, as noted. Something which you seem to think is a plus point.

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    28. And so our discussion is concluded.

      Deaths in Scottish care homes per capita are no different to the UK as a whole. Unsurprising, as both followed similar procedures.

      If someone tries to suggest otherwise, they are a sick person lying and using the deaths of loved ones for political capital.

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    29. Deaths in care homes per capita are 34/1000 in England and 52/1000 in Scotland.

      As you say anyone trying to say they are the same is a sick person wanting more people in care homes In England to of died to make the per capita level in England the same as in Scotland.


      As you say think that concludes the discussion.

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    30. No, there were 20k excess deaths due to covid in E&W and 1867 in Scotland during the peak of the pandemic.

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53280011
      20,000 mentioned Covid-19 on the death certificate

      https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/files//statistics/covid19/covid-deaths-report-week-27.pdf
      Covid was the underlying cause in 1867...

      That's nearly 10 times as many dead in England and Wales.

      As we know, the virus doesn't know how many people live in a country, so per capita figures are meaningless unless it affects the whole population. This makes the E&W figures horrific given it started with the same number of initial infections as Scotland.

      However, per captia, it's ~340 per million for both cases.

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    31. I am presenting great British data which suggests that care home deaths are similar across the UK per captia.

      Like you say; some very sick people by contrast want these to be different - i.e. want more Scots dead per capita because they hate Scottish people - for political capital.

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    32. They hate Scottish people so much that, from their home in England, they actively seek out Scots to abuse these online.

      By contrast, I have no problems with English people and have never been on an English forum in my life.

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    33. If I was anti-English, I'd go on English political forums and e.g try to argue that they have more covid dead down there due to their English government's incompetence.

      Anti-Scottish people in England do the reverse.

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    34. Excess deaths in care homes in Scotland is 642/100,000. Excess deaths in care homes in England 229/100,000.

      I am stating simple facts. The fact that you can accept them is not my problem.

      I have never at any stage said that deaths/excess deaths are better in England. This conversation is regarding care home deaths and the fact that Scotland has had a higher number of deaths per capita and as a percentage of total deaths is a fact . I am not seeking to make a political point out of this simply pointing out this fact. As I have said learning from areas that have gone less well is keep to ensure the same mistakes are not made again.



      Think that concludes things

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    35. Except you don't provide any evidence, unlike me, where I have supplied the NRS and ONS data. And no wonder.

      My numbers are the official covid deaths in care homes recorded by the Great British government.

      I can't accept numbers unless they are from official sources; this is standard practice in the world of science. It's called providing references.

      You are changing your numbers all the time. First it's 34,000 per million (holy shit!) in England, and now it's 2,290 per million! You understand that means 128,200 dead! Is Boris hiding this from us?

      642 per 100,000 dead in Scotland is 35,000 people dead from covid in Scotland. How did we miss that! The NRS are only reporting 4,193.

      I think you need to get over your hatred of Scottish people. To come to Scotland (virtually) every day to insult and berate Scottish people takes an incredible level of hatred.

      Seriously. Take a look at yourself.

      Take some maths lessons too.

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    36. As you say anyone trying to say they are the same is a sick person wanting more people in care homes In England to of died

      Says the man who inflated less than 2k care home deaths in Scotland to 35k.

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    37. https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/files//statistics/covid19/covid-deaths-report-week-27.pdf

      Between weeks 12 and 27 (16th March to 5th July), there were 2412 (62%) more deaths in [Scottish] care homes than average.

      COVID-19 was the underlying cause in 1867 (77%) of these excess deaths


      1,867/5,450,000 = 34/100,000

      I quote our resident English expert for the numbers from there; numbers I imagine you will concur on:

      Excess deaths in care homes in England 229/100,000.

      Which concludes things.

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    38. I am talking about care home deaths. Therefore the population figure in the calculation is the population in care homes.

      I will admit I used incorrect data for care home population in.

      For Scotland it is 35989. For England it is: 418000

      Care home excess deaths in England: 26745
      Care home excess deaths in Scotland: 4730

      THe correct figures are:

      Scotland 4730*1000/35989 = 103/1000
      England 26745*1000/418000 = 63/1000

      Excess deaths in care homes is higher in Scotland than England.



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    39. English Anon - I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to prove here anyway.

      Firstly, as I understand it (and am open to correction), Covid deaths are reported more conservatively (no pun intended) in England than in Scotland. so intentionally or mistakenly you're trying to pull the old "compare apples with oranges" trick.

      But even if true, so what? The most you can conclude is that care providers (private & local authority) in one place were harder hit or less able to cope than in another. That doesn't directly reflect on either government's handling of the crisis.

      It seems to me that every time independence becomes an issue, the default English response is never to try to understand and grapple with the origins, but instead a crude kneejerk reaction to try to demean and overtalk from an assumed position of privilege. To prove that Scotland is inadequate in one way or another, and should jolly well be grateful that it's being managed by superior old you.

      You should take a good look in the mirror. It's people who think and react like you who are destroying your own precious remnant of Empire through your own blinkered self-regard.

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    40. Covid deaths are reported more conservatively (no pun intended).
      ***
      I'm going by death certificate data here(provided by ONS and NRS) i've certainly not seen any evidence that doctors/coronors in England being more conservative when assigning COVID on a death certificate compared to Scotland. If you can provide some evidence to back up this claim I will happily look at at.

      **
      To prove that Scotland is inadequate in one way or another
      **
      I have not done this at all. All though this discussion I have said that it is not a politcal point. Its a health protection point, you learn from your mistakes. Care home deaths have been high across the UK, lessons need to be learnt from this.

      In actual fact i find the opposite. It seems that that as soon as a hint of perceived criticism of the Scot Gov, then immediately it is tried to be disproved - even if this means stating misleading statistics, the claim that there would be almost double the number of death rates in Scotland if it had England death rates is a recent example.

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    41. ok for a start, these are both wrong:

      4730*1000/35989 = 103/1000
      26745*1000/418000 = 63/1000

      The second only marginally off, but the first notably so.

      Try counting again. I don't think people can trust the numbers you produce. As you say, you keep getting them wrong.

      And, once again, the covid caused (we are dealing only with covid deaths as per your original figures for % of these in care homes) excess care home death figures for Scotland are, as follows:

      https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/files//statistics/covid19/covid-deaths-report-week-27.pdf

      Between weeks 12 and 27 (16th March to 5th July), there were 2412 (62%) more deaths in [Scottish] care homes than average.

      COVID-19 was the underlying cause in 1867 (77%) of these excess deaths

      In the very latest BBC figures, only 1,950 excess deaths have occurred due to covid in care homes in Scotland.

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52214177

      Only 4,193 have died from covid in total, i.e. excess deaths due to covid.

      In the absence of supporting evidence, we must assume this figure is a lie:

      "[Covid caused] care home excess deaths in Scotland: 4730"

      Also, you can't compare per head of people in care homes. For that to be a valid comparison, exactly the same proportion of the population of the same age range would need to be in care homes in both countries. If everyone in Scotland was in a care home and everyone on England wasn't, Scotland would be 1000/1000 for an identical number of total deaths. Meaningless.

      Scotland has less people in care homes. As the most vulnerable group and setting are here, the same number of people dying per capita (population) in Scotland in care homes would result in Scotland having 'more dying per head of people in care homes' simply because there are less of the latter. Ergo, the difference is simply an artefact of the lower number in care homes, and not of e.g. care standards.

      So sorry, to compare, you must use per capita population.

      And really, why do feel such hatred for Scottish people?

      To seek out scots every day to try throw abuse and them and their country takes a special kind of hatred.

      I criticize our 'PM of Scots' and his government because they are my UK government. I do so among my fellow countryfolk. I would never dream to find English people to abuse in the way you do. If I spent my days going on English forums to argue with them and abuse them for the way they vote my mates would tell me to seek professional help.

      You travel to Scotland (virtually) to seek out Scots to abuse them personally from your home in England. It's pure, vicious racist hatred. You need help.

      Get help. It's your hatred that's helped push yes into majority.

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    42. ScottytheScotinScotlandJuly 26, 2020 at 8:21 PM

      Anonymous - I thought you said " which concludes things" - are you trying to take away GWC's title as the most annoying Britnat.

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    43. Also, you can't compare per head of people in care homes

      ****

      What are you going on about, thats the point of per capita. Its saying for every fixed number of people in a care home(1000) x amount died.

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      [Covid caused] care home excess deaths in Scotland:
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      I see you have switched to Covid excess deaths now, earlier you were quoting total excess deaths hence my figures.

      Thats fine, though that data is available

      Scotland Excess Covid care home deaths: 1873
      England Excess Covid care home deaths: 14364
      (Data from ONS and NRS)

      Scotland:
      1873*1000/35989 = 52/1000
      England
      14364*1000/418000 = 34/1000

      So on average per 1000 people in care homes an additional 18 people died in Scottish care homes compered to English ones

      I'm not abusing anyone, please point out were I am, I am presenting facts. I can't help the fact that you can't accept them.

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    44. But if you really wanted to base it (incorrectly) on the total population it would be:
      Scotland: 3.4/10,000
      England :2.7/10,000

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    45. Are we still using the value of 4730 you've invented for Scotland?

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    46. We have a new invented value of 14364 for England too I see.

      Also one for Scotland of 1873. Just made up out of thin air.

      It's hard to keep track of all these invented values.

      None of which come with a link to source. Unsurprisingly.

      And calculations where 2 + 2 = 5, laid out for all to see.

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    47. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/deathsinvolvingcovid19inthecaresectorenglandandwales/latest

      England had a statistically significantly higher age-standardised mortality rate for deaths involving COVID-19 (1,182.9 deaths per 100,000 care home residents) compared with Wales (822.3 deaths per 100,000 care home residents).

      England certainly doing worse than Wales.

      Earlier on you were claiming wales (27%) had more deaths in care homes than England (20%).

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    48. Covid excess deaths for Scotland (most recent data):
      https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/covid19stats
      Tab - figure 6 data cell c19 - excess deaths to data for COVID
      Most uptodate population data:

      England:56,286,961
      Scotland: 5,463,300
      https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationestimates/bulletins/annualmidyearpopulationestimates/mid2019estimates

      I must admit that i did use 53000000 and 5500000 in my calculations. so we will go again

      Scotland:
      1873*10000/5,463,300 = 3.4/10000
      England
      14364*10000/56,286,961= 2.5/10000

      You need anymore links to the data?

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    49. Eng-Anon - you have now spent an inordinate amount of time and energy wielding all sorts of numbers, very keen to prove what? To have some kind of erudite statistical comparison out of nowhere, just for amusement, like? Nothing whatsoever to do with a desperate need to prove English superiority. No connection with Scottish independence? On here of all places?

      If all that disinterested statistical beavering is true, you really do need to get a life. And if not - as I strongly suspect - you also really need to get a life.

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    50. Hi Harry the Scot hater from Essex.

      "care home excess deaths in Scotland: 4730"

      This one please. You still haven't provided it, yet your entire argument centres on it. You did just make it up didn't you?

      Also, this is mathematically incorrect:

      14364*10000/56,286,961= 2.5/10000

      And you need to correct the data for age standardised mortality*.

      I explained earlier that the data are only comparable if corrected for different population profiles. Otherwise, you are literally comparing apples and oranges. You can't compare the death of an 95 year old with a 65 year old, which is what you are trying to do by lumping all residents together. You need to adjust for age.

      See the data above for England and Wales. Wales has a 'higher % of deaths in care homes', but a much lower care home (ASMR) mortality rate for the reasons I’ve talked about, and which also apply to Scotland.

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      *The age-standardized mortality rate is a weighted average of the age-specific mortality rates per 100 000 persons, where the weights are the proportions of persons in the corresponding age groups of the WHO standard population

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  37. Even if we had DEVO SUPER MAX as was promised in 2014 by Galloway and his pals, it wouldn't have been able to stop the Tories including the NHS in the proposed trade deal with the USA.
    All 6 Scottish Tory MP's voting in favour, betraying Scots Agricultural.
    Luckily nobody noticed Eh?
    Not reported in the Tory press.
    Surprise Surprise.

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    1. That's of little interest to Mrs Mortonson who has lost her scarf. IS IT? Face facts.

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  38. ScottytheScotinScotlandJuly 25, 2020 at 10:10 PM

    The UK (England ) trying to cover up how poor it is doing re the virus compared to Scotland/Wales/N.Ireland. No regular briefings and all deaths reported as UK deaths when they are all England deaths.

    Britnats unable to handle this information as their whole being believes that England is always superior in all aspects of life. English/British supremacism.

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  39. I hereby appoint Scottish Skier as the official Covid 1746 expert on all things on anything post 1707. And further more Skier should have a statue raised in his memory to be pulled down sometime in future history because he is a racist.

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    1. Stick to strangling voles.

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    2. Are you in a position to prove that libel? If not, you could be heading for trouble. And all the assumed anonymity in the world won't protect you, you asinine foulmouth.

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    3. You have an inability to read and digest. Did you know that buggery by Catholic priests has had an effect on the victims lives.

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    4. We know that Covidia has a warped and sickening fixation on the subject, and that it needs professional help.

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    5. Jo, Professor of ManagementJuly 27, 2020 at 4:26 PM

      Stick to strangling vowels.

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  40. So far in Scotland there have been no reports of Covid 19 deaths in Hospices
    72 members of the House of Lords have shares in private care homes

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    1. Is that data from the last death.

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    2. Covidia is obsessed with death.
      It is an obedient and unquestioning British nationalist.

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  41. I am pretty sure I've never heard any journalist challenge Galloway on his promise of SuperDevoMax. Someone has to be the first! We are still waiting for it.

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    1. There are not that many journalists who have the intellectual capacity to challenge Galloway on most political subjects. They avoid him.

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    2. Big Eater From PerthJuly 26, 2020 at 12:27 PM

      I find the same with my postings.

      Grouse Beater is the latest to fall short.

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    3. I suppose it keeps the rubber pants brigade happy.

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  42. ScottytheScotinScotlandJuly 26, 2020 at 12:46 AM

    The English are jumping off the the white cliffs of Dover.

    The Britnat media and politicians in Scotland - First Minister why are you not following England? England always knows best.

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    1. Kronshagener SchlampeJuly 26, 2020 at 7:13 PM

      Only 3 things to report.
      1. I'm in my living room making funny faces and my wife knows nothing about it.
      2. I know the French word for a John dory fish.
      3. If I was going to hide from the authorities I'd make for South Ayrshire.

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  43. Scottish nat sis refuse to pull down the EU fascist flag from outside Holyrood. The Welsh and NI flag should be mounted along with the Commonwealth flag. No doubt the Glasgow nat sis would want the ROI flag mounted. Troubles ahead with the pretend Scottish/Irish nat sis.

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    1. Covidia's just fuming because the Confederate flag hasn't been put up in its place.

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  44. ScottytheScotinScotlandJuly 26, 2020 at 10:30 PM

    GWC - what does it stand for. Well the Britnat si old fart is from G Govan and he is a bit of a W Wanker to say the least and it is the only thing he could be a C Champion at doing.

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    1. S S S. Did you wank when writing your previous? A one handed typist.

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    2. Stench of this and its sobbing cupboard.

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  45. https://www.conter.co.uk/blog/2020/7/7/snp-at-the-crossroads

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    1. You’re right of course. Thank you so much for this. I realise my stupidity immediately and will of course now vow to vote for a splinter independent party and thus screw up the chance for independence.

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    2. I hate when capitalist parties increase personal income tax rates, promote an NHS and make higher education + care for the elderly free. What next, saying they back a universal income? Bastards the lot of them.

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  46. Is it true that Scotlands greatest socialist Big Tam wants Salmond to return and form another Nat si party? Funded by the Kremlin mibbie.

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  47. This link might help anonymous with his stats
    https://www.travellingtabby.com/uk-coronavirus-tracker/

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  48. This might help anonymous with his stats
    https://www.travellingtabby.com/uk-coronavirus-tracker/

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