Thursday, July 16, 2020

The other side of the coin

An anonymous commenter said this on the previous thread - 

"This may come back to haunt you James. I think there's every chance that next years Holyrood vote, if it's seen as a defacto vote for a new referendum will be heavily gamed by the unionist parties.

It may be an absolute necessity that a new Independence list only party does stand just to reverse any shenanigans."


I very much hope the unionist side does make a hapless attempt to game the system - for exactly the same reason that I hope the pro-indy side doesn't.  If, for example, George Galloway persuades a few thousand gullible Labour and Tory supporters to lend him their list votes, he won't win any seats, but he could easily gift an extra seat or two to Yes parties.  (That is, as long as we're not foolish enough to attempt to "balance out" the mistake he's making!)

Why is Galloway doing this?  It's about himself, as always.  He's seen how a small minority of Yessers have hopelessly fallen in love with the dream of 'hacking' the list vote, and thinks he can sell the same dream to unionist voters and win himself a passport back to semi-serious politics.  I very much doubt if he'll even succeed in doing that, though.

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  1. Well, if George tries his tired old tricks on the Unionist side of the fence next May (I had quite forgotten that he was a diehard BritNat), good luck to him, heh, heh.

    Genuine supporters of independence should copy his endeavours, not by starting splitterist pro-indy parties as the fake pro-indy trolls keep urging us to do, but starting more and more fake anti-indy parties to "capture" errant voters who otherwise might elect the likes of Murdo and Annie out of the Tory lists by default, so to speak.

    What's not to like?

    (Though I fear they would struggle just as much as the alt-indy ones will.)

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  2. But , if there was just one List party and one only , for the whole of Scotland , it could target seats where an SNP victory is a certainty and ask voters there to give their first vote to SNP and their second vote to the Indy List party .
    This would work
    It would gain more List seats overall for Scottish independence
    Don't you agree ?

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    1. No, I don't agree with "this would work". It almost certainly wouldn't work, unless Alex Salmond led it (and even then there would be no guarantees).

      By the way, list votes are regional rather than constituency-based - your comment doesn't take account of that.

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    2. Well, it wouldn't be fronted by Alex Salmond for starters. He has far more sense.

      Jim "Loose Cannon" Sillars just maybe. Wowee. Bring it on!

      Or yet another go-round for Tommy Sheridan. The George Galloway of the pro-indy side, one might say. But that would be his own thing his own way, as before.

      But there's already two startups in the putative race and maybe more yet to come. RISE redux. Different flavour, same drink. There goes your primary thesis for a burton straight off.

      Do we really have to keep going round and round in ever-decreasing circles like this? The whole notion is obviously a bust.

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    3. There's currently a parody 'new indy list party' on twitter that has more followers than the offiical ISP party account!

      Things could change, but right now Terrence I'd have to say there's little hope of it working.

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    4. Please Release Me thank you. Because of your support our membership has increased by 100% in the past 24 hours. The momentum is ours and we will deliver.

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    5. Well Terrence, that's you and Please Release Me on board. That just leaves about another 1.1m voters to convince of the efficacy of your cunning plan. How do you go about that? Shame only a tiny fraction of them read the internet threads urging them to do it. RISE tried it in 2016 and got a grand total of 11000 votes .... nationwide. The arithmetic of the cunning plan is flawless .... its the real world logistics that see it fall apart. At best, it is risky in terms of potential lost SNP List seats.

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    6. The idea of an extra party or parties should be to increase the size of the independence pie. It's not that ISP or Wings don't have a point with their anti-GRA stuff, but they're just proposing to cut negative slices out of what exists.
      Whereas some of us, including those who object to EuroUnionism, have been frozen out of things by accident or design.
      (And as someone from the Nationalist side of things who's politically unrepresented I'd like to put in a word for the Unionists. It's sad that they still amount to something around 50% of the electorate but they should be fairly represented rather than 'gamed'. The way to reduce their number is by raising cultural awareness and national consciousness.)

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    7. "It's sad that they still amount to something around 50% of the electorate but they should be fairly represented rather than 'gamed'."
      Here Here!
      If the unionist get say 40-50% of the vote but only get about 25% of the seats they could reasonbly ask Westminster to "fix the problem". I'm sure that Johnson et al would be only to keen to do so, with dire consequences for independence - or even anything like our current level of devolution.

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    8. Geoff H,
      the system was fixed by Westminster at the outset, specifically to prevent the SNP winning, see Robertson's quote, "devolution will kill the nationalism stone dead"
      Indie voters must not waste there 2nd votes this time, it vital we reduce the number of Yoon MSPs.

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    9. Big Eater From PerthJuly 17, 2020 at 6:41 PM

      The SNP is now the non-independence party. ISP and the rest are the fuck-all-to-do-with-independence parties. I'd be as well voting Tory for all the choice I'm being offered.

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  3. Galloway tried that in the Glasgow area in 2011 on a anti-cuts platform list and polled 3%. He gets less attention now compared to 2011.

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    1. He Galloway is still a socialist. You Nat sis pretended to be socialist and the alternative to Labour. Labour were not socialist and neither were you Nat sis. We can laugh.

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    2. Galloway, the sycophants of murderous dictators, is "still a socialist". Aye right ! Your use of political labels 'socialist', 'Stalinist' is just as deeply ignorant as the rest of your sectarian/racist drivel.

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    3. Sir, I salute your indefatigability. Miaow...

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    4. Glasgow Working ClassJuly 17, 2020 at 10:13 AM

      He is a capitalist as he is only a money making machine for George Galloway. His murky past tells us that.

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  4. when I first heard of a possible indy "List" party my first reaction was that unionists would love it as it would "split the indy vote". But very soon, supporters were saying the Unionists were bricking it.

    Does anyone have any actual evidence of Unionists either loving it, or bricking it?

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    1. Judging by the amount of BritNat trolling going on, they are loving it because they are bricking it. Solid >50% support for the SNP in the polls is a big flashing red warning light for them. As it should well be.

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    2. You are the Troll Nat zi boy. We Unionists are solid and welcome another referendum. Get your social worker booked for counselling.

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    3. What a fatuous schoolboy poser. "Bring it on", eh? 54% for indy and growing. you and Mophead, your lying posh-boy Great Leader, are contemptible little cowards.

      We can smell your fear, and your troubles are only just beginning.

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    4. The only thing around here that's minging is you, dirty raincoat man. You can always tell when you're losing, you revert to filth.

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  5. He's not in it for the "semi-serious politics", he's in it for the cash.

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  6. George Galloway is a fruit cake. Last time I'd seen this plonker he was dressed in drag and purring like a pussy in some reality show. Who the hell would vote for that?

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    1. I'm only sorry Galloway didn't address Saddam Hussain in his pink cat outfit.

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  7. The folk by the Tay
    sent him on his way,
    the folk by the Clyde
    said your a boy too wide,
    an those wha hear Bow bells
    didna believe the lies he tells

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  8. Galloway is that former English MP right?

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    1. Former Scottish and English MP yea

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    2. I was of course referring to his most recent seat, 'so former English (and before that Scottish) MP' would be more accurate. He wasn't both at the same time, as your statement might be read. The most recent seat takes priority.

      I think we can also conclude that if someone stands for seats in another country, they don't have our country's interests at heart first and foremost. Which is what people would normally look for in an MP. It's one of the reasons I've never voted for English political parties like Labour or Conservative.

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    3. Galloway unlike yourself Skier is a Scotsman.

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    4. he [Galloway] stood for Respect in the 2005 general election for Bethnal Green and Bow, defeating the sitting Labour MP, Oona King, and served for one parliamentary term.[4] He did not fight the 2010 General Election and returned to the House of Commons at the Bradford West by-election in 2012, but lost his seat at the 2015 general election.[5] Galloway stood as a Respect candidate in the 2016 London mayoral election, but lost to the Labour nominee, Sadiq Khan; finishing in seventh place with 1.4% of the vote.[6] He stood as an independent candidate for Manchester Gorton in 2017 and for West Bromwich East in 2019.[7] Following the 2019 general election, he founded the Workers Party of Britain.

      Doesn't seem to spend much time here. An English politician these days.

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    5. His most recent work was on the payroll of Rupert Murdoch at the tawdry 'talkRADIO', but he was sacked for spouting antisemitism

      https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/03/talkradio-sacks-george-galloway

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    6. That's an English radio station right?

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    7. ScottytheScotinScotlandJuly 19, 2020 at 10:49 PM

      Galloway is another Britnat old fart.

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  9. Not sure. But one of its presenters was claiming that the BBC's Sarah Smith is pro-indy the other day, so I'd mark it down as delusional.

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  10. Genuine question, why do unionists call e.g. George Galloway...Micheal Gove 'Scottish politicians' rather than an English, yet they describe e.g. Adolf Hitler (Austrian) as a 'German politician'?

    Should we call Christian Allard (former SNP MEP) a 'French Politician'? Wiki accurately has him described as a 'Scottish Politician', just like Andrew Marr is most correctly described as an English TV presenter.

    It's only some sort of blood and soil race thing that would seem to explain this.

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    1. People correctly refer to Gove etc as Scottish which is the correct description for someone born in Scotland.

      Never heard him described as a Scottish politician though, you will have to provide some examples.

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    2. I'm glad you agree he's an English politician now.

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    3. I guess for me, as someone with no time for nationalism, when talking about politicians in the context of politics (rather than me down the pub with my mate Micheal or something), I refer to them in that context. Ergo, Micheal Gove is and English politician, resident, citizen and voter. He's English for all political purposes.

      He may have been born in Scotland of Scottish parentage, but I'd not like to even force that nationality on him, although there's very little doubt he'd qualify if they were handing out passports. But mainly because it's nothing to do with politics. He's English when it comes to that. 100% English.

      As for how he identifies. This makes me wonder as he talks about Scots in the third person ('they, them' etc).

      https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/michael-gove-branded-scots-drunk-16214072

      Michael Gove branded Scots drunk, unattractive, beggars in axed Channel 4 show

      Scots, like any other peoples, normally refer to themselves using the collective 'we' instead of 'they'. I would never talk about Scots as 'they' as it's excluding me from that group.

      Certainly, it's another example of the racist hatred many English politicians have for Scots, the PM included.

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    4. I'm glad you agree he's an English politician now

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      Yup becasue the work 'English' in this sense is a verb - it descibes the country in which he is a politician.

      When I say Michael Gove is Scottish i'm using Scottish as a noun.

      Pretty basic stuff, my 8 year old understands that a noun can be verbed and when it is it completely changes the meaning of the word.

      Maybe you should spend less time calling people racists and more learning basic grammar

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    5. Maybe you should spend some time learning manners. You resort to insults so quickly. I didn't disagree that he could qualify as Scottish; at least if that is how he seems himself first and foremost.

      Incidentally, how are you deciding people are Scottish. What criteria are you basis this on? As things stand, there isn't any legal criteria for this, so I'm intrigued as to what you are using.

      Also, the other day you said it's wrong to force a nationality on people, yet here you seem to be doing it with Gove. I got the impression from his speeches etc, work as an English politician, that he saw himself as British in terms of primary nat ID.

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    6. Coming from a man who has no problem with insulting people thats rich.

      I'm using criteria set out by the English language. As you say there is no legal definition so I correctly (as per the English language) call him Scottish. Of course I could also call him British both would be grammatically correct.

      Impressions mean nothing, that's just guessing; as a scientist you obviously understand that facts is what are important.

      From what I can ascertain Michael Gove has no problem with people calling him Scottish. If he did then of course I would stop referring to him as Scottish - that's just good manors.

      A bit like you I could quite correctly refer to you as British. However as you have made clear that you wish to be refereed to as Scottish hence why I have never refereed to you as British.

      Nationalists such as yourself however, don't want to respect my wishes to be referred to as Scottish and repeatedly try and make posts about how i'm English not a Scottish etc etc

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    7. I've never once said your e.g. national identity isn't Scottish. However, national identity is not citizenship; it is whatever anyone wants it to be. You could identify as Scottish, but not be allowed to vote here and have zero connection to the country.

      Also, national identity is associated with nationalism and I prefer to stick with voting/citizenship in political discussion than stray into the 'blood and soil' stuff. Nationalism is important to you it seems, but not to me. Residency is really the most important thing with respect to having voting rights / a say IMO. That's what this whole debate is about; people in Scotland voting for how Scotland is governed. Not 'Scots' from Nova Scotia etc.

      I understand that you are currently living in England and exercising English 'citizenship' rights by voting there. So for political purposes, you are English. Same when it comes to the legal system you live under, the NHS you use etc.

      Your national identity and even country of birth / parentage are irrelevant (assuming these at least give you the right to vote). These only become relevant for nationalist reasons. It is through nationalism that you insist I call you Scottish, not English. Presumably you don't like the English enough to be called one, even though you've been there a long time (?).

      I am Scottish because I live here and vote here. I assumed that's why you were happy to call me Scottish on this political blog. It is through living here that I gain this political / citizen status in my mind. It's not as if I have a Scottish passport.

      If I lived in England and joined that society as a voter etc, I would be more than content to be referred to as English for political purposes, such as on blogs etc. That's what I'd be. I may well still see myself as Scottish in identity / my home as there, but if I've chosen to make a life as citizen of England, I'd have no issues being referred to in that way, unlike you it seems. I must just be less nationalist.

      I of course hold an Irish passport. That's interesting, because I've never lived there. However, in this case, it is the people of Ireland who have decided that I am an Irish citizen. I didn't even have to apply for citizenship; they saw me as that from day one through my Irish mother. I never demanded they call me Irish. They chose to call me that. However, as I'm not living there, I would not describe myself as Irish for political purposes and I stay out of their politics. If I ever move there, then they'll get sick of hearing from me on Irelandgoespop though.

      Certainly, I would never dream of being so rude as to go on Irish forums and tell them e.g. it's best for Ireland to be part of the UK or suchlike. It's not my business. It would be rude as fuck to do that, even though I could actually wave an Irish passport in their faces.

      Which is interesting, as you do this for Scotland, yet don't even hold a Scottish passport; your scottishness comes simply from your demand to be called that. It's weird. You insist I call you Scottish, yet you voted against that as being legal nationality and continue to vote in such a way as to oppose that. In 2014 you had an opportunity to gain legal recognition of your Scottish citizenship. You could have waved the passport in my face and said 'Look, there you go, I am a fucking Scotsman in England!', but you voted against it.

      So forgive me if I find your insistence on being Scottish odd. It's like me applying for my Irish passport whilst voting to bring the republic to an end / Ireland to rejoin the UK.

      Are you sure your nationality isn't British (you see the UK as your country) and your regional identity Scottish? That would make more sense to people.

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    8. Sorry, maybe you didn't vote in 2014 as you were living England, being English voting wise. But I'm sure you understood my point.

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    9. However, national identity is not citizenship.

      That's a fair point. Completely agree in fact. As we are both British (UK) citizens as we hold a British(UK) passport I think we should both refer to each other as British as that correctly describes our citizenship.

      As you say only a nationalist would describe there selves based on their national identity. Therefore as we are both not nationalists we should not base what we call ourselves on national identity. Glad you agree that we are both British.

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    10. Sorry as you say you are citizen of both the UK and Ireland so of course you are British/Irish. I will refer to you as that in the future.

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    11. That's factually correct, so absolutely no bother for general purposes. I'm a British citizen, albeit not when overseas any more.

      But for Scottish politics discussion, I'm Scottish (a Scots voter), you are English (an English voter). Unless you register to vote here. Agreed?

      I voted for a document which could be used to prove your nationality/citizenship BTW. It was you that doesn't support that.

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    12. I'll also emphasise that I have no issues with you getting a Scottish passport / citizenship for all the standard residence (including parental) criteria that might qualify you. Then there'd be nothing to argue about.

      But you seem dead against this, for some strange reason.

      Or maybe you do support an independent Scotland? It could be part of the UK as an indy country. If people in England really respected Scotland, they'd back a 1 nation one vote union like the EU.

      I think that's all folk like myself want. 1 country 1 vote in a union. It's not a lot to ask really. It's normal for countries to have that.

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    13. But for Scottish politics discussion, I'm Scottish (a Scots voter), you are English (an English voter). Unless you register to vote here. Agreed?

      For sure, i'm assuming you will stop referring to some Scottish voters as 'Brits'/ 'British' then. You seem to do that as a fair amount.

      I would certainly support a one vote one country union. Can you highlight a political party either English or Scottish that is proposing that?

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    14. Have to disagree with you there Scotty and agree with my fellow unionist Scottish Skier. There are only refer to people in the context of English or Scottish.

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    15. Its not a point of grammar. I'm struggling to see how you can call me a nationalist. Like Scottish skier I want the UK and Scotland to stay in a Union, struggling to see how you can call someone who supports a union a nationalist.

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    16. ScottytheScotinScotlandJuly 18, 2020 at 1:27 AM

      Anonymous - so you are one of those Brutish Nationalist types who like to kid on the UK is a Union. Describe the main features of a Union to me. If you are a Unionist this must be a dawdle for you.

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    17. A political union is s state in which two or more smaller states join to form a larger state. Clearly this is what happened between England and Scotland - hence we are in a union.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_union

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    18. "[UK =] In an incorporating union a new state is created"

      This makes your nationality British not Scottish though, hence the passport. You see 'Scottish' as not a nationality, but a regional identity, like 'Texan' or 'Yorshireman', with Britain the state. You can't claim Scottish nationality unless Scotland remains a sovereign state with naturalisation powers able to confer distinct, internationally recognised citizenship / nationality, something which you are against.

      Remember, it is not you who decides you are Scottish 'legally', it is people of Scotland. You can want to be Scottish, but decision on your 'application' is collective. The Irish decided I get an Irish passport, not me.

      As things stand, because Scots can't confer Scottishness legally (British citizenship is a reserved matter), then the only way to be Scottish / a Scottish citizen in the sense of it's historic status as a country is geographical, i.e. you need to reside here, sufficiently so to gain voting rights. Otherwise it's just some sort of 'feeling' you have. That's it. Meaningless in terms of the outcome of the political process and related polling.

      I won't deny that you that feeling of scottishness, but you can't prove you are Scottish in any legal way. I can provide you my voter registration details; I am Scottish legally. You are not unless you can do the same, or provide your Scottish passport.

      This is why I use residency to describe citizenship / 'nationality' in the UK. Because there is no other legal basis for it. On paper you are English if that's where you are registered to vote. Your MP gets to vote in the EVEL English parliament etc.

      Country of birth is irrelevant. Birth certificates don't confer nationality, certainly not in the UK. You have folk who feel English that were born in Scotland and vice versa. Parents are irrelevant too; my best mate was born of English parents in England, but has lived in Scotland since age 2. He sees himself as Scottish and I'd say he qualifies more than you as he lives here and has done for over 40 years. He voted Yes. If he's English, he must hate himself or something. Obviously hates his parents too by unionist logic.

      Nope, until such time as Scotland becomes a sovereign state (even if that's within a new UK), then the only way to be Scottish in any legally recognisable sense is to be a registered voter here.

      That's why I will continue to refer to people as Scottish or English based on habitual residency within the context of polling and politics. That is sensible and factually based. Feelings are not. Interesting on e.g. a motivational basis as Scottish identity is an influencing factor in VI, but that's it.

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    19. Note I apply the same to unionists and indy supporters. I said the same to e.g. Stuart Campbell when he popped up the other day. He replied with remarkably similar stock rubbish and insults.

      He's currently registered to vote in England, ergo English. I Believe he registered here for 2014, at which point he became Scottish again.

      If you register to vote here, you will become Scottish legally too. In the meantime, you are English with respect to polling and voting.

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    20. Oh, and if you disagree with 'Scottish' being based on residency, but see the qualifying criteria as e.g. being born here / living your formative years here and feeling mainly Scottish as a result, then you must back overturning 2014.

      Studies show that Scots born and those who nationally identify first as Scottish (because they grew up here etc) voted Yes. It's Scottish residents who voted No in majority. So if you are a unionist, you'd be best conferring Scots nationality based on residency like I'm doing.

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    21. ScottytheScotin ScotlandJuly 18, 2020 at 11:20 AM

      Anonymous - 4.35am - for someone who prattled on about nouns and verbs you do not seem to be able to read very well. I did not ask for a dictionary definition I asked YOU to describe the main features of a Union. You failed.

      The UK was set up in 1707 when there was no democracy. It was set up as a dictatorship of the other nations by England for England. Now that may be a Union in your mind but that is why you are a Britnat.

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  11. George 'Talking Hat' GallowayJuly 17, 2020 at 1:55 PM

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    NEVERENDUM | Once in a lifetime #Scottish vote Six years isn't even the lifetime of a rabbit. #indyref2 #bunnies #ukpolitics #MOATS

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  12. I think there is statistical correlation between Fridge Videos Of President Jamez and support for indy. If he will do one every day (and include Random Totty) then our freedom is certain.

    (And I am hoping that first Scottish submarine will be called El Terrifico.)

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    1. The first submarine you will have will be a long crusty bread with a filling of your choice.

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    2. You are crusty and you've been around a long time.

      I'll not say what you're full of.

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  13. I think the important question in all of this is:

    just how sensitive is the number of SNP list MSPs to changes in the list percentage they receive?

    Does a 1% decrease in the list result in losing 2 MSPs? Or does it have no effect?

    It's probably a difficult question to answer because it'll need to be analysed per region, rather than over Scotland as a whole.

    Anyone able to carry out that analysis? I think that's really what this debate is about, ie the rate of change of SNP list MSPs with respect to changes in the list % vote share.

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    1. The difficulty actually lies in the constituencies, not in the list, because with a split opposition under FPTP, you can win a constituency with as little as 35% in an extreme case. And you could in principle do that across the whole country. (See England in Westminster for an example of that kind of thing.) The list vote then attempts to correct for that anomaly.

      If you can get 50% support in every constituency in a region, you win every one of them, but you are then unlikely to get anything from the list in that region because you already have your quota (assuming you have the same level of support in the list, that is).

      The SNP has struggled somewhat in recent times, generally winning the constituencies (though not absolutely everywhere) but not quite managing to get sufficient support in the regional lists to gain much more.

      Things begin to change quite dramatically though once you begin to rise above 50% in a region. Ignoring the intricacies of the d'Hondt calculation, after constituency wins, every percent above 50 puts you back in the running for gaining a list MSP besides, once the other parties get their shareout.

      There are usually 7 list seats to be won in any region besides the typical 9 constituencies (it can be from 8-10), so given you have already won every constituency, once your regional vote exceeds 9/(9+7) = ~56%, you should start to pick up a list MSP besides. (Not that you would need them in that case, since solid constituency wins across the board would already deliver an overall majority!) With less constituency wins, the hurdle is lower; 8 wins eg. has a hurdle of 8/16, ie. a mere 50%. That is definitely all to play for, and could make the difference between an overall majority or not.

      So alt-indy parties that are able to rob the SNP of the crucial percent or two around the 50% level are actually pernicious in their effect. And the more, the merrier (so to speak). No wonder BritNat trolls are currently so keen to encourage this kind of diversionary splitterism!

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    2. To summarise, once a party begins to get more than 56% support in the regional lists, it's "game over" for the opposition in a very big way.

      And the SNP is now getting within sniffing distance of that in the polls. If people keep their collective heads, this could be a gamechanger. Smell that BritNat fear.

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    3. Oh, and it should go without saying (but probably needs repeating anyway), you need 50%+ in an election to provide a demonstratable base for turning a parliamentary win into the real goal: a subsequent plebiscite win for indy.

      The recent rise in support above this level is what is really unsettling the BritNat indy-deniers. It pulls the rug right out from underneath their lying feet. (Can you have "lying feet"? But you know what I mean!)

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    4. ScottytheScotinScotlandJuly 19, 2020 at 12:39 AM

      Grizebard full marks for effort. You do realise why no one has commented on any of your three posts - it's because no one can make any sense of it.

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  14. Stuart Campbell smells of 'we'.

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    1. I chalked your name on a wall in London.

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  15. Herein lies the problem though. For such an analysis to have any level of accuracy you would need to be confident of the turnout, which is something which cannot be accurately predicted in advance.

    With the apportioning of the list vote, it isn't just about what any one party gets, but what the others get in comparison too.

    Look at the 2016 list vote, the SNP/Green added votes, but unionist parties added more votes than pro-indy parties did.

    If everyone who voted SNP on constituency on the list, they'd have an outright majority themselves. But you can only do that type of analysis post-match, after all the votes are in.

    https://wingsoverscotland.com/ams-for-lazy-people/

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    1. That really is a problem, then. If it's all based on assumptions, we'll be here to doomsday debating it. As I said on a previous thread, if the views are that a list-only party will either fail miserably or succeed brilliantly then lets do it because either it has no effect or wins big - so what's to lose?

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    2. Are you Gregory Peck. Communicating from the realm of the deceased? If so, that's spooky

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    3. Big Eater From PerthJuly 17, 2020 at 7:43 PM

      I feel like I'm swimming in a sea of stupidity. EVEN WHEN I'M NOT ON TWITTER!!!

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  16. Skier, I thought you would have some respect for the Gorgeous one. He was prominent in the anti war movement. The hidden forces have tried to fit him up for decades. He beat the newspapers in court. He stood up in Washington and tore the establishment apart. It is no wonder there is not one Scottish Nat si who will sit face to face with him and debate. He puts fear into you lot. I do not support his Middle East views.

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    1. I just noted he was an English politician. Do you have a problem with him for that reason?

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    2. A Scotsman holding a parliamentary seat in the United Kingdom Parliament. Why do you care Skier you are Irish.

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    3. How are you defining Scottish here? Does he have a Scottish passport?

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    4. He was born in Scotland. Does he have a Scottish passport?

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    5. You do not obtain citizenship / nationality by birth in the UK. So applying British rules, Galloway is not Scottish through birth. He's not even British by that route.

      I ask again what qualifies him as Scottish.

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    6. You have to consult directly with Galloway on that matter.

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    7. It was you that claimed he's Scottish.

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    8. Incidentally, if a being born in Scotland is what makes you Scottish, then the Scots voted Yes in 2014.

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  17. Big Eater From PerthJuly 17, 2020 at 6:35 PM

    There is no time-frame for taking Scotland's cause forward. It's not even jam tomorrow. It's jam at some undefined time in the future that only we can define and we're not going to so fuck off.

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  18. George Galloway
    @georgegalloway
    Scotland needs a new devolved government. A government of national unity. One which will repair the ugly divisions with the rest of Britain and the disfigurement of #Scotland by the SNP. A competent government interested in governing not using the Scottish Parliament as a dagger.


    Does this mean his party will not fight hard against a Tory government in London? What about a hard capitalist Orange book Lib Dem one? Same for a right wing Newer Labour?

    If they answer is Yes, then that will just divide Britain. He'll be using Holyrood as a dagger to through the heart of the UK. If no, then his party must be on the centre-right.

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    1. Using the Scottish Parliament as a dagger says George Galloway.
      I used to think Jim Murphy was delusional but this clown is in a league of his own.
      Needs to stop reading the Tory London press.
      First Gordon Broon then Galloway. There's a zombie theme developing here.

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    2. Pope Pius Former NaziJuly 17, 2020 at 11:20 PM

      ramstan, you are a wee type of Nat zi bloke that would take Scotland back tae the Clan days. No electricity just wee candles in the wind and obedience to the Clan Chiefs and the Vatican.



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  19. How much is the Wee Tartan Tory Blackford making outwith all the extreme pressure at work as an Mp. I thought it was the others who did this.

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  20. Which Galloway persona do we vote for?
    1. Palestine supporter
    2. United Ireland activist
    3. Man in pink cat outfit
    4. Great British nationalist
    5. Man in pink cat outfit
    6. Mykonos tourist with Simon Fanshawe
    7. Non-adhering-moslem Moslem
    8. Man in pink cat outfit
    9. Obscure attention seeker
    10. Man in pink cat outfit
    11. Etc.

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    1. Corporal PunishmentJuly 18, 2020 at 12:07 AM

      Outstanding Scotish poetry.

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    2. GWC will go for 'United Ireland activist'.

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    3. Roddy Collarless-ShirtJuly 18, 2020 at 9:25 AM

      THE KNAVE OF CLUBS

      So, we meet again, Your Excellency.
      Once again we will experience
      your multi-syllabic chutzpah
      and gaze on your hatful of hollow ideas.
      It seems that you will be with us until victory.

      But you should not forget that,
      trapped in the cage of the polling booth,
      the stubby pencil is our cat's claw.
      And the key to our Big Brother House.

      Still I remember your tabloid debut
      when you were in a foreign congress
      and you “Bonked For Britain”.
      But if you scored for Scotland
      then we could all light a cigar.

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  21. George Galloway is Stuart Campbell is Nigel Farage
    All these people have one thing in common, to have more people talking about them to give them relevance, the modern word is populist which also means something very much more sinister

    Best not to engage with any of these people James, oxygen is what they're after

    In case our Tory friends hadn't noticed, rabid Tory spokesman for constitutional affairs MSP Adam Tomkin has anounced his resignation and intention to stand down before the Holyrood election, guess why

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  22. ScottytheScotinScotlandJuly 18, 2020 at 1:48 AM

    Covid - 19

    The Bonking Britnat Brexiteer bampot Johnson says today it will all be over by Christmas.

    The other Brexiteer bonking bampot across the Atlantic said in April that the virus would disappear like magic when the warmer months came along in the summer.

    What a pair of lying morons. Morons voted for morons to be their leader.

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    1. Which Christmas? Just like the Great War was to over by Christmas 1914 - it took until the fall of the Berlin Wall 1989 for it to be really over. A truce in 1918, Versailles treaty that stoked up tensions that led to WW2 and then the Cold War. Sure it will be over by Christmas.

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    2. It is not over. Germany were part of the NATO and the EU plan to move forward into the Ukraine. Putin called them out.

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  23. Nazi's call us niggers but Black Lives Matter. Remember George Floyd. Rest in peace big man, you're a legend of our time.

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    1. I assume then that you have empathy with a criminal that made the lives of others miserable.

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    3. I assume GWC that you have empathy with racists who made the lives of others miserable and in fact cost lives. Oh, wait. Of course, you do. You are one.

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    4. You have empathy with criminals not me. The Cop who did in that piece of shite should be pardoned and given a life pension.

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    5. The state of you racist nazi GWC, Big Floyd was a gentle giant and a loving man.Sure he had a bit of a history but who doesn't, he'd turned his life around and a fake $20 is nothing. Remember George 'Big' Floyd. He'll be sorely missed. #BlackLivesMatter

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  24. Talking of "gaming the system", the best way the Britats could game the system is not in the lists but in the constituencies, like they did before in the UK elections. Put up dummy candidates except one, and run a phone whisper campaign to encourage all the people like Gloomy Woebag Clown to cross-vote to "keep the SNP out".

    Problem for them is, once the SNP pass the 50% threshold, the ploy falls flat on its proverbial. There's nothing, absolutely nothing, can beat a solid vote. And the bigger the vote, the bigger the impact. No magic required.

    (Two-jobs Tomkins can evidently see this one coming.)

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  25. grizebard, you and Skier must be the same person. Surely there cannot be two people who hate the English as much as you.

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    1. 'Sir' John CurtassJuly 18, 2020 at 5:27 PM

      GWC, how would you assess your "brand recognition"?
      What is your USP (Unionism for Scotland Party)?

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    2. None your Sir Ness.

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    3. Now where do you get that preposterous notion. For all you know, dumbass, I could be English!

      Puerile jibes are one thing, but be careful there with your libels. One day your real identity might catch up with you.

      I don't know if there are any women in your life (though I suspect not), but one day they might also discover what you're really thinking, dirty raincoat man.

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  26. Trouble is James, the SNP are clearly not a YES side!

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    1. the state of this one!

      care to explain the realistic route to independence today that doesn't involve the SNP?

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    2. The state of you Nat si. Who do you want independence from? You are now independent from the EU.

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    3. The state of you racist nazi GWC, Big Floyd was a gentle giant and a loving man.Sure he had a bit of a history but who doesn't, he'd turned his life around and a fake $20 is nothing. Remember George 'Big' Floyd. He'll be sorely missed. #BlackLivesMatter

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    4. The golliwog on the Jam jar will be missed more.

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    5. Covidia and its racist sniveling won't be missed.
      Ever.

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  27. Lame troll, that's about as pathetic as it gets. You really have to try harder. You might even alert the useful idiots, get them to wise up the BritNat cunning plan.

    The pressure is surely beginning to tell when even 10-year-olds are being pressed into the social media frontline.

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  28. Can any radge from England just parachute into the Scottish Parliament elections? Surely there must be some residency requirements.
    Didn't Galloway do something similar when he jumped onto the bandwagon with his Respect party a few years back.
    Never saw him as a Union Jack waver.
    Wait till he sees who's on his side!

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  29. ScottytheScotinScotlandJuly 18, 2020 at 10:37 PM

    The self proclaimed Gorgeous George - I've seen backs of Glasgow buses that are easier on the eye and they spout out of their exhausts a lot less crap than comes out of Galloway's mouth.

    Galloway will be a godsend for independence - he has a long list of statements telling us all how evil the UK is but in his twisted logic Scotland MUST remained chained to this evil entity.

    A crowdfunder should be started up to order a years supply of Kittykat to keep him well fed.

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    1. You must be the Tartan Tory FMs limousine driver. She has never been oan a Glesga Corporation Bus. Beneath her sitting with the working class.

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    2. ScottytheScotinScotlandJuly 19, 2020 at 12:34 AM

      Glesga Corporation bus - how old are you. I'll have to start addressing you as befits someone your age and the respect you deserve. How about Britnat si old fart or do you still prefer turd. I can make it Britnat si old turd if you want.

      You really are a disgusting piece of shit.

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    3. Any name you wish to use Nat zi is acceptable. We have left the EU so you have very little space to crawl into. Maybe work for a living and the end of the Scottish Parliament gravy train.

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    4. No, we've left the EU parliament, but are still subject to EU law. So the UK is a 'vassal' EU state now.

      Only an idiot would be pleased with that.

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    5. It certainly explains the deranged glee in Covidia's ravings.

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  30. Says GWC who collects his measley state pension every week..

    His prime minister would rather he was pushing up the daisies to save the state money 👍

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    1. I hear wee Knickerless was knicknamed 'Seaweed' when she was at university,even the tide would not take her out.

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    2. Mac1314. SCOTLAND has moved on since 1707. The pensions in GBP are paid directly into the bank account.



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    3. ScottytheScotinScotlandJuly 19, 2020 at 3:45 PM

      The UK state pension one of the worst in the developed world. Turkey and Russia with better pensions. Only a stupid old Britnat like GWC would vote for that. The Germans getting about £28k per annum. The French about £17k. British is best - ha ha.

      Britnat si turds voting to keep themselves poor in old age at the same time as the Brexiteers in London are enriching themselves and their pals with dodgy contracts. The next event will be reducing the value of the UK pension. Are there any as stupid as poor old Britnats.

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    4. Most Scots get more in pensions than they put in the pot.

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    5. Most Scots get less on Pop than they post on the screen.

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    6. ScottytheScotin ScotlandJuly 19, 2020 at 10:58 PM

      Are there any as stupid as poor old Britnats? Yes poor old Brexiteer Britnats like GWC. The Empire gave them a flag but no money but not to worry they are happy with that. The conclusion - stupidity does not mean unhappiness. GWC must be a very happy guy but also a cold guy in winter as the Tories put up the heating bills.

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  31. Jock Wives Matter. Because jock wives have been absolutely battered through 100+ days of lockdown. It's time to end violence against women and sexual violence.

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  32. ScottytheScotinScotland. I look forward to the Nat si manifesto regarding a super large increase for Scottish pensioners in an independent Scotland.

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  33. The UK government's convinced the SNP are having a referendum on Independence, the Tories Labour and Lib Dems in Scotland are convinced there's going to be a referendum, the press and media in Scotland are now convinced there's to be a referendum, George Galloway is so convinced there's to be a referendum he's trying to stand for Holyrood to stop it, in fact everybody who actually counts in British politics is convinced there's going to be an Independence referendum

    Except for the Arseholes who listen to the blogger from bath who insists there wont because he hates Nicola Sturgeon, that's the best the wee Gnome man's got

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    1. ScottytheScotinScotlandJuly 20, 2020 at 10:48 AM

      "Everybody who actually counts in Brutish politics" spoken like a true Britnat.

      54% yes - I'll give you a hankie. The Brutish Empire is in its death throes.

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    2. The British Empire ended over sixty years ago you Nat si raw mince eater.

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    3. Scotty Scotin Scotland

      Are words difficult for you to understand or do you just call everyone a Britnat reflexively because you think you're job is to offend as many people as possible or to create the impression that Yes voters are nasty people

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    4. The British Empire is still with us. They just changed the name.
      Stealing Scotland's natural resources and denying democracy.
      That's Empire not Union.

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