Tuesday, September 24, 2019

Who needs a criminal underworld when we have Jacob Rees-Mogg and the Privy Council?

So just a few quick thoughts on today's extraordinary events.  I said after the initial Court of Session verdict that in the event that it was upheld by the Supreme Court, we didn't need to worry about Scotland suddenly being seen as an "influential partner in the United Kingdom", and so it has proved.  This is being reported as a Supreme Court decision and not a Court of Session decision, which in one sense is fair enough because the same effect could have been achieved even without the Scottish case - the Supreme Court could simply have upheld Gina Miller's appeal from the English court ruling.  It may be that the Scottish ruling emboldened the Supreme Court justices, but that can only be speculation.  I also said that if prorogation was lifted, it wouldn't remove the casus belli for an indyref by making Brexit, or a No Deal Brexit, any less likely, and that also seems to be correct.  For all the talk this afternoon of a vote of no confidence, few seem to expect it to go anywhere just yet.  An election is undoubtedly coming, but not until after the Halloween deadline.  Parliament played its strongest card in preventing a No Deal exit before prorogation even occurred, so it could be that the extra Commons sittings will be a lot of talk and no further action.  Perhaps the biggest significance of the ruling is that it will prevent a further suspension in the crucial closing weeks of October.

All the same, though, these judges are so irresponsible - how oh how are the government supposed to set out their much-needed domestic agenda without shutting down parliament for five weeks?  It's simply impossible.

And have the police sealed off the crime scene in Balmoral library yet?  We hardly need a criminal underworld when we have Jacob Rees-Mogg and the Privy Council.

60 comments:

  1. It's a rich irony that Rees-Mogg, the arch-traditionalist and upholder of the monarchy, was the mug selected to travel to Balmoral to lie to HM Queen. She can't be amused at having her Order in Council ruled "unlawful, void and of no effect". Wonder what R-M thinks about it now.

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    1. It seems we now know what Rees-Mogg thinks: he thinks the Supreme Court ruling is a constitutional coup. This suggests that his views are even more archaic than most folk thought. He seems to think that royal authority is, and ought to be, absolute – no rule of law here, chaps. If so, he presumably rejects the Revolution of 1688 and all that came afterwards. If so, how does he justify his allegiance to the House of Hanover/Saxe-Coburg-Gotha/Windsor? Surely Rees-Mogg, as a defender of the divine right of kings, should be a committed supporter of the House of Stewart?

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  2. Sounds like an awful new band - Jacob Rees-Mogg and the Privy Council

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    1. I imagine them playing Christian rock music to large audiences in Missouri.

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    2. Sounds like a low point in Paul Weller's career. Maybe with someone like Joao Swinson playing Wiltshire-infused trumpet.

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    3. I think Joao Swansong is a Wiltshire-infused trumpet.
      (It should've been me!)

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  3. Jeremy Corbyn says he trusts the people but only if they vote his way, kind of like the jocko Nat sis.



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    1. Boris says he believes British courts should only have British judges upholding British laws.

      Unless he's broken the law. Then these three are all wrong.

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  4. The path to Scottish Independence is'nt through a Referendum, its through the disintegration of the English state. And the Supreme Court ruling just helps it on its way.

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    1. Nah we will leave the fascist EU and Boris is the man to do it. The Courts are the liberal elites who do not give a shit about the majority vote.

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    2. So you don't want British courts upholding British laws then GWC?

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  5. If I was the Queen, I'd have someone take out Johnson in a dark Paris underpass if he doesn't resign.

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  6. British laws and British judges for British courts I say!

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  7. Blackford now wants a general election since they voted not to have one. So go for it Nat si boy this time and watch the English working class destroy Labour. The working class do not like to be called stupid.

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  8. The judges have upheld the English claim of right that the English Parliament is sovereign, not the monarchy. They would therefore have to uphold the Scottish claim of right, that the Scottish People are sovereign in Scotland.

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    1. There has not been an English Parliament since 1707. You thick Jocks really do need tae get a grip.

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    2. Do you support an English parliament re-opening or are you anti-English GWC?

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    3. If it's not the English parliament how can they then apply Henry 8th powers to Scotland
      It's the UK and English parliament never constituted as either, that's why they don't have a written constitution so they can keep making it up on the hoof

      The UK parliament is as democratic as North Korea's, in fact maybe even less so, by pretending to the English people that they're sovereign when they're patently not because the Monarchy ceded its sovereignty to the parliament of England to represent the people, you can't have a Monarchy and a democracy at the same time so you keep your *subjects* uneducated so they don't know the difference

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    4. So did the English Parliament "adjourn" in 1707 -- or was it just us that got landed with a parcel o prorogues in the nation?

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    5. The English Parliament didn't adjourn, it continued. The Scotish parliament ajourned, and Scottish members incorporated into the English Parliament. The claim of rights of the English, that their parliament is sovereign, and the Scottish claim of rirgts that the people are sovereign, was incorporated into the Treaty of the Union Of the two Parliaments

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  9. Sometimes wonder what planet politicians are on. Corbyn today for example:
    Labour will tackle this. We will redesign the system to serve public health - not private wealth - using compulsory licensing to secure generic versions of patented medicines.

    Sounds great except its illegal. The very point of a patent is that it stops your product being copied at a lower price. So unless Labour are going to break patent law, its a promise they can never keep

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    1. I thought he just meant generic medicines, i.e. those where a patent no longer applies. In fact I don't see reports of him saying 'patented', just generic.

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    2. The Scottish Gov have been going generic for some time to save money. My ypractice called me three years ago to advise name change. The pharmaceuticals are mega earners and we pay lip service because we need them.

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    3. I remember Labour squealing like pigs when the Blue Tories suggested generic medicines. OR
      Aye ramamba Layba squooling layke pegs web the Blew Tasters sijjasted generic madisons.

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    4. A lot of companies extend patents with minor " improvements" , charge huge $ fir drugs developed with public money, raise prices after people switch to new drugs( $20 month first year, $400 in 9th year.) Insulin patent was donated to public. Can't get it. They all have " improved insulin" that costs thousands a year.thars in USA.

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    5. OK, we're bypassing generic medicines. GWC will have his liver pecked out by an eagle. But first we need approval from the SSPCA.

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  10. Now we've got Wings over Scotland annoyed because the SNP have won something in the courts and could win even more, whose side is that guy on because it's definitley not Scotlands

    jealous Kate springs to mind

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    1. Winning in the courts is not winning the final outcome which is the democratic wish of the people in a referendum.

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    2. Keyhole Kate.

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    3. Referendums in England are advisory only, the UK government did not need to uphold the vote, they don't need to uphold any vote in the House of Commons by the people because the people of England are not sovereign like the politicians keep lying to them about
      The parliament holds the sovereign power ceded to it by the English Monarchy

      Only in Scotland are the people constitutionaly sovereign where our parliament must follow the peoples will as an instruction, our ancestors were a bit smarter with these things as the House of Commons is about to realise

      The supreme court case was not all about what's happening now, it was about which country's law is superior and the supreme court just admitted that the Scottish court of session is equal and the importance of that judgement will become ever more clear in the coming weeks and the Tories won't like it one bit

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    4. If the court of Session rules iref2 is legit, it's legit, as the people vs Boris shows.

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  11. So, according to the Tories, the SNP could knowingly hold a really 'illegal' referendum, and even if it's overruled by the courts, Sturgeon wouldn't need to resign?

    Corbyn could 'illegally' grab the assets of many Tory owned companies, ruining them financially, but it wouldn't be a resigning matter?

    This is the new great British precedent being set by Johnson.

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  12. I was reading today about this tin-pot dictatorship where the unelected PM was found guilty in court of subverting democracy by illegally shutting down parliament, yet he refused to resign. Instead, he claimed the courts/judges were all wrong and it was him that was right.

    Crazy stuff.

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    1. I was reading today about this democracy were the Opposition parties, despite having the votes to do so, repeatedly failed to remove an unelected PM from power and stopping what the believed was an illegal shutting down of parliament.

      Luckily for them the country had an independent judiciary to make up for their failings.

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    2. I was reading about some idiot on a polling site who can't read polls. Fortunately other commentators were there to remind him that the best chance of removing Boris Johnson from government is to force him to carry out the will of parliament and ask Brussels for an extension first.

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    3. I was reading about someone who objected to Scotland being told what to do from London. So he thought he'd try it from Bath.

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    4. I was reading "Tales of Hoffman".

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    5. AnonymousSeptember 25, 2019 at 4:09 PM
      I was reading today about this democracy were the Opposition parties, despite having the votes to do so, repeatedly failed to remove an unelected PM from power and stopping what the believed was an illegal shutting down of parliament.
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      This wouldn't be the same banana monarchy where the unelected PM lied to the 93-year-old head of state whose advisers told her nobody was lying, no chance? And where there's a good chance the same PM with come along with the same bullshit reason for shutting down parliament (again), and the head of state will nod her doddery old head, keeping her eyes peeled for her son the serial rapist of young teens?

      The same banana monarchy that is at the same time, curiously enough, also the "greatest political entity in all of human history"?

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    6. I was mainly querying the use of the word dictatorship.
      dictatorship
      /dɪkˈteɪtəʃɪp/
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      noun
      government by a dictator.

      dictator
      /dɪkˈteɪtə/
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      noun
      noun: dictator; plural noun: dictators
      a ruler with total power over a country, typically one who has obtained control by force.

      Obviously the UK cannot be a dictatorship or being run by a dictator seeing as the Government/PM is asking for elections.

      Anyhow I see that the PM has again this evening asked for an election to be held. If the Opposition again refuse to implement this then can only assume they are happy to keep the Gov in power.

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    7. John Rentoul
      @JohnRentoul
      Convention is that govt allows time for a motion of no confidence only if tabled by leader of oppn – Johnson offering govt time to a minor party

      So obviously no excuses for any party not to set in motion the process to get rid of the unelected law breaking PM. Again if they do not they obviously want him there

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    8. I read today about a thick fuck on the internet who couldn't understand why the Scot nats would want this great British shitshow of an empire collapse finale to just keep on rolling (even if they don't say it out loud).

      Johnson has done more for the independence cause in a few weeks than May did in 3 years. Shit, in addition to pushing Yes into majority and trashing democracy, he even took out Ruth Davidson while Sturgeon sat back and watched with a G&T.

      The guy is gold dust. But then he's an English nationalist and they can only further the break up of the UK. It's the one nation unionist Tories - those that Johnson has kicked out the party - that were always the true foe of the SNP.

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    9. He never broke a law it was a fit up by the elite.

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    10. err im not an English Nationalist, i don't want Brexit to happen. Just pointing out that UK can't be a dictatorship if the Goverment wants an election (ergo the PM can't be a dictator).

      As you yourself said yesterday:
      For a PM to shut down parliament illegally, yet still hold the keys to number 10 and the launch codes for the nukes is scary stuff.

      So scary that the Opposition have decided not to do anything to take him out of power.

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    11. as for trashing democracy i'm pretty sure that stopping the electorate from having an election is pretty high up on the anti democratic scale

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    13. You what?

      http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/collapse.htm

      However, a last minute objection by conservative leader, Alfred Hugenberg, nearly ruined everything. On January 30, while President Hindenburg waited in the other room to give Hitler the chancellorship, Hugenberg held up everything by arguing with the Nazis over Hitler's demand for new elections.

      I can't believe you are arguing Hitler wasn't a dictator.

      Johnson is a dictator (and this is the opinion of the Scots electorate by a big margin, not just what I think). It's just he's currently being held back by what checks and balances the UK does still have.

      Dictators are very often elected / actively seek election. Hitler is just one example.

      If Boris wants to realise his dream of a one party Brexitannia, he first needs to win an election with a majority (or close down parliament somehow). Then he can start changing the law to take increasing executive powers. A national emergency with rioting on the streets etc would provide an ideal opportunity for this, particularly if it can be blamed on a foreign (EU) enemy. Only a foolish opposition MP would hand him a route to power on a plate.

      I think you need to read up a bit on politics. Jeez, this stuff is obvious.

      The man closed parliament illegally to try and take power. He then claims unanimous judges are all wrong. If he manages to control parliament, the UK will become a fully fledged totalitarian regime.

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  13. They should ask Stuart Campbell Wingsy to rule everything, he knows more about politics than everybody in the world and if you don't agree with him he'll launch into a full foul mouthed tirade telling you why you're an inferior human being to him

    Very Nigel Farage

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    1. Are you superior to Stuart Campbell?

      It certainly sounds like you believe you are.

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    2. He's very like you

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  14. We have an alliance of liberal lefties, the rich, Judges, the Tartan and Blue Tories desperate to stop the will of the people. They will be known in history as the Scum when we leave.

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  15. Young James, we need a new name for the likes of Owen Jones. He is a socialist who supports EU Capitalism. A competition is needed to obtain a name for such weeds.

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    1. I've no time for Owen metrosplain wokeboy Jones, but international socialists support full free movement and national socialists don't.

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    2. Sensible people do not want suicide bombers walking into the UK courtesy of the Frogs. Border controls are essential to keep Skiers wife in France or Ireland.

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  16. I don't see the reason for forcing an election if the Tories don't have power. The opposition already control parliament and can pass laws.

    The government have to follow these or face court again.

    Boris is a coward. If he really wanted and election, he'd resign and leave downing street.

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    1. The Jocko Nat sis and Jeremy anti Israel are the cowards. The fascists hated the EU referendum because they lost. The stupid people fucked them. Seems the General Election will be fought on the grounds that the people were stupid for voting brexit. Win Win for Boris.

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    2. So the UK isn't a dictatorship then? If the Government can not pass laws and/or the Opposition can pass laws with the courts backing them up if necessary then obviously can not be we one.

      Glad we agree on this.

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    3. Boris is legitimately the PM. The people voted to leave the EU. He has a duty to honour the vote. You Nat sis better be careful because the mob could just stop your independence if you won the vote. You start a precedent then it is open doors

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  17. You mean the people of England and Wales surely, not Scotland or Northern Ireland otherwise it is a dictatorship and not a Union
    If Scotland had been in the EU Scotland would have had a veto because the EU is a democracy, every country gets the same veto large or small in the EU
    In the UK however every other country is vetoed by England, that's dictatorship, and like your mob always do you immediately start using the violence threats, it's always you Nazis who accuse others of being what you are

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