Sunday, July 7, 2019

It's perfectly possible that Yes are ahead already

As you may have seen, the senior SNP MP Angus MacNeil and the former depute leadership candidate Chris McEleny have tabled a resolution that would require the SNP to use the next Westminster or Holyrood election to seek an outright mandate for independence in the event that the UK government refuse a Section 30 order for an independence referendum next year.  I was startled to see an independence supporter on Twitter brand the plan as "childish" and "idiotic" - a rather bizarre outburst against the whole principle of parliamentary democracy, which recognises that a party has a mandate to implement a policy if it fought and won an election on a relevant manifesto pledge.  A number of us asked the irate indy supporter what his alternative was.  Was he just going to hold his hands up and say "well, it's been a good, clean fight, but London have said no, and that's the end of that"?  All he came up with was that we needed to have majority support for indy before we could do anything - a very slippery answer that completely evades the issue.  An unambiguous majority for Yes in the opinion polls would just give the increasingly unhinged imperialists in the Tory leadership an even greater incentive to refuse a Section 30 order, so what do you do then?

But actually, though, we shouldn't even let the point that "we need a Yes majority" pass without questioning the premise that there isn't a Yes majority already.  There have been four proper independence polls this year, all of which have put Yes support in the high 40s, and on each and every occasion I've made the observation that it was an unusually high level of support from a polling firm (either Panelbase or YouGov) that have in recent years tended to show relatively No-friendly results compared to other firms.  I'm not sure the full implications of that have quite sunk in.

For example, in the first half of 2018, when Ipsos-Mori put Yes support at 48%, YouGov were saying it was only somewhere between 43% and 45%.  Now that Yes are on 49% with YouGov, doesn't it seem entirely plausible that a new Ipsos-Mori poll would put the figure at 51% or above?

In October 2018, when Survation had Yes on 47%, Panelbase had Yes on only 44%.  Now that Yes are on 49% with Panelbase, would it really be that surprising if a new Survation poll put Yes on 51% or 52%?

It doesn't necessarily work that way, of course.  At the end of the 2014 indyref campaign, when the hitherto No-friendly pollsters like YouGov suddenly showed a massive swing towards Yes, the other firms didn't follow suit.  Instead, there was a sudden convergence between the findings of different pollsters - and something very similar happened in the EU referendum.  So it's not certain that Ipsos-Mori or Survation would be reporting an outright Yes lead if they were polling right now - but for my money there's a reasonable chance that they would.

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128 comments:

  1. If you take that tweeter to his comment, we cannot have a Tory or Labour Government if they didn't get 50% + 1 of the vote in a General Election. If that line was taken none of them would have been elected as none have exceed 50% for decades. The last time was in 1931.

    P.S. Congrats in you reaching your fundraising target.

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  2. Real Scot Unionists will turn out enmasse if the Nat sis get another referendum. The sooner the better. We will trash you into oblivion. So go on cowards do it yesterday. You cannot just rely on your Coatbridge English hating Lanarkshire Irish immigrants to get you
    past the post.

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    1. Robin of LocksleyJuly 7, 2019 at 11:25 PM

      Purse.
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    2. When I read your messages I think of Debbie Reid who was in my class at school.

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    3. GWC We all enjoy your nonsensical post and you poor attempt at trolling But cut out the racism and anti Irish crap. Or James might finally ban you ..which would be a pity cuz we all like a laugh.

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    4. I am not a racist and certainly not anti Irish. I like the Northern Irish tenacity to resist the Catholic child abusing pervert Church. I do enjoy laughing at you Nat sis.

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    5. Robin of LocksleyJuly 8, 2019 at 11:03 PM

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  3. Hey, GW, whats it like for you as each successive poll figures come out, getting higher for indy.
    You keep having to circle your laager into a smaller circle.
    2014 25%, ended at 45%. then 48, then 49, now, according to yer pals, the Tories internal poll, could be 57%.
    Soon the wheels will be fauin aff you hudgie. Oh dear,So sad, never mind.
    You must just be waiting for James's next post to get your wee bit of excitement, know what I mean, nudge, nudge.

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    1. The ballot box will decide. You Nat sis do not like the results when you lose. It has to be another ballot like the Irish and keep voting until we win. At least the Bolshevics had honesty.

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    2. Well you Nat sis want Germany to run Scotland so you may have your wish.

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    3. The Germans are a lot better at running an economy than the brits, so if that were true, it would be a step up from the current situation.

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    4. So you concede the Scottish Nat si Party are running Scotland poorly and need the Germans.

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    5. Robin of LocksleyJuly 7, 2019 at 11:26 PM

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    6. No, I just said that if we has to pick between the Germans and the brits running Scotland's economy, we'd definitely be better off picking the Germans. You've seen the latest UK productivity figures right? Totally f'n useless at running an and economy.

      Anyway, it's the Irish that run the EU. This is very clear from the backstop. Irish said 'jump' and the whole EU said 'how high' on this; what else could you possibly conclude but that it's the 'paddies' running the show.

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    7. Paddies have always known how to cook potatoes and take grants from foreign governments. Sadly they let their children get buggered by Priests and blame the English.

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    8. They work much harder than the brits.

      Also have a lot more global influence as the current brexit negotiations show.

      https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/irish-workers-now-ranked-as-most-productive-in-world-1.3783173

      Irish workers now ranked as most productive in world

      OECD figures suggest Republic leads way in labour productivity

      I was really impressed how the Irish got the US refusing a post-brexit trade deal with the UK if the GFA isn't fully respected.

      Anyway, maybe if you spent less time trying to construct sentences for posts on this blog and more time working, you'd be more productive like my Irish countrymen and I.

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    9. That's a fine idea ScSk - I wonder how long it's been since dear, sweet Cordelia last ventured into the world of work?

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  4. The SNP should revert back to winning a majority of seats at Westminster or Holyrood as a mandate. After all if that is how the Tories and Labour operate they should do as well.

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  5. Just watching Spitting Image and the reference to lapsed Catholics and ex Communists. You will recognise this James as your movement may have many.

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    1. Jockanese. I have attempted English.

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    2. Robin of LocksleyJuly 7, 2019 at 11:27 PM

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  6. Don't really understand why Scotland can't run its own poll. Should be easy to do and much more reliable than the polling outfits one hears from on a regular basis. Don't tell me - polling is reserved!

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    1. Governments generally don't commission voting intention polls, if that's what you mean. In Scotland, they're most commonly commissioned by the Sunday Times, the Daily Record, STV and Wings Over Scotland.

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    2. Penny:
      Could you suggest how Scotland could run its own poll?

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    3. Tommy WrightJuly 7, 2019 at 11:30 PM

      Penny:
      Could you suggest how Scotland could run its own poll? Tommy it could very simply be done throughout Scotland with hundreds of YES groups organising a full Saturday polling in town City village centres. Just need a wee bit organising.

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    4. But that would have no standing and would instantly be disregarded as biased, and probably prove counterproductive.

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  7. There are hard Yes supporters and soft Yes supporters. Yes politicians pay the second group plenty of attention and so do a good job of keeping them on board.

    There are hard No supporters and soft No supporters. The Tories, Scottish Cringe Labour, Lib Dems and Brexiters are all fighting over the support of the hard Nos and so pretty much ignore the soft Nos. Virtually nobody on the Unionist side ever makes direct appeal to them -- i.e. softens their message on indy a bit -- because if they did they'd immediately be jumped on by the other parties. In fact the opposite is the case, with the Unionist parties locked in an absurd arms race to see who can treat Scotland most like a colony.

    Now, this might be a wise approach from a party-political POV but it's the *worst strategy imaginable* for Unionism as a whole, because it makes the soft Nos, by far the most important group of voters, much easier targets for Yes. It's beautiful and it's hilarious. Short of forming one single Unionist party, there is nothing at all they can do about it.

    This is one of the main mechanisms that's driving the mass switchover to yes.

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    1. Silly boy, there are only Unionists. You are the safty who has no confidence in Scotland and want our country run by Germany and their compliant neighbours.

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    2. Robin of LocksleyJuly 7, 2019 at 11:27 PM

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    3. Sean pretty much summed up how the English lost all their colonies.

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  8. Genuine question, but if Germany runs the EU, why is it not the richest country in this block, but is actually 8th place or so?

    I had a look and Ireland is in 2nd place in terms of wealth, which kinda confirms my suspicions that in fact it is Ireland that runs the EU. Or at least the 'paddies' have teamed up with Luxembourg for this purpose.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_in_Europe_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita#cite_note-4

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    1. Germany has the highest GDP and it houses the EU central Bank. Also has a significant military. The Irish only started paying their EU share in 2016. The Irish were propped up by the British after the 2008 crash. I am sure the Irish farmers and middle class are doing well as they have always.

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    2. Only a fool thinks GDP is more important than GDP per capita. Which would explain your brexit vote. Next you'll be telling me Chinese people are 4x as rich as brits.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

      France has a larger army than Germany. Greece even has more soldiers (active + reserve), as does e.g. portugal.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_military_and_paramilitary_personnel

      Have you ever said anything true in your entire life? You win the union through truth, you lose it through lies.

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    3. You asked a question and I offered an answer. I note you conveniently omitted that Germany/Frankfurt is where financial decisions are made. You then go on to call me a liar.

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    4. Robin of LocksleyJuly 8, 2019 at 11:06 PM

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  9. We can thank the Westminster regime for one thing: They have set us a very low bar for us to be able to do so much better than They ever have.

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  10. Looks like England's brexit may have officially started to hit N. Ireland.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-48885176

    Economic downturn 'may have begun' in Northern Ireland

    Northern Ireland's economy may have begun a downturn, research from Ulster Bank has suggested.

    The bank conducts a monthly survey of private sector activity in what is considered a reliable indicator of the economy.

    It indicated there have been four consecutive months of falling output since [the brexit cliff edge of] March.


    Not going to help the unionist vote; DUP etc officially endorse crashing the N. Irish economy! Westminster DUP MPs have been been successful in getting this underway it seems.

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  12. This is sooooo much better than having your own team at the Olympics right?

    I'm sure e.g. Denmark will be really jealous of Scotland being given the opportunity to have a player sitting on the bench watching with a chance of maybe playing alongside England's stars! Hell, even if our guy/gal doesn't get a game, at least they can laugh at all the other countries who didn't even make Team GB!

    https://twitter.com/BBCSportWales/status/1148210751770939393

    Phil Neville says Team GB won't be "an all-English affair."
    He says he'll watch Wales and the other home nations qualifiers as he picks his squad for Tokyo 2020


    Only people with no self respect at all could vote for this sort of shit. What sort of miserable grovelling shite do you have to be to support banishing your own national team for the crumbs from the neighboring country's.

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    1. Lots of diddie women and men kicking a baw roon a park. I always wait for the women swopping shirts after the game but it never happens, nae diddies tae be seen.

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  13. There not banished, Scotland failed to qualify, so Scottish players have a chance to play in the Olympics under team GB were as Scotland they would have none. Can't see the problem Tennis, rugby, hockey, netball and a few other sports don't seem to have a problem with it.

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    1. Sure. Stupid me. I forgot Team Scotland will be at the Olympics, just minus the jock footie team that 'didn't qualify' this time.

      As I said, what sort of miserable sniveling shite votes to to have no Olympic team for their own country, just the vague hope that some of their athletes might get picked by the country next door if they've enough talent to be considered 'British' rather than Scottish.

      A proper 'union of equals' would have a Scottish Olympic team. You know, like countries in the EU.

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    2. The problem is is the racist anti English Scottish Nat sis. If it was a joint Scottish/Irish team there would be no problem.

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    3. No thanks. I don't want a 'Team Auld Alliance' either.

      Just a Scottish team, an Irish team and a French team would be fine.

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    4. 'I'm so proudly Scottish I don't want a Scottish Olympic team!'

      FFS.

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    5. I thought you said you were Irish and your tart French.

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    6. Am so proodly Scottish a dinnae even want the word Scotland on ma passport.

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  14. Noting to do being with a Union of Equals its because the IOC says "an independent State recognised by the international community".

    You remind me so much of a Brexiter they blame everything on the EU you everything on the UK two peas in a nationalist pod.

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    1. No, the UK's not to blame; not so long as folk in Scotland freely vote for no Scottish Olympic team.

      #ProodScot

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    2. I have not blamed anyone. We British voted to leave the EU political club. The EU are threatening the UK with a no trade deal.

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    3. And I'm not a nationalist. I support unionism. I vote for unionism in 2014 (Yes / Scotland in the EU) and 2016 (Remain / Scotland in the EU). I've always voted for unionist parties (SNP) since I first could in 1997. I've no time for nationalism and have seen brexit coming since Broon's 'Scottish jobs for English workers before your wife SS!'.

      My Irish family get to support their team at the Olympics, as do my French side. It's hardly 'brexiter' of me to simply wish the same.

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    4. Robin of LocksleyJuly 8, 2019 at 11:08 PM

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  15. Are you saying that people who support or play for 'Team GB' are not 'proud Scots' then?

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    1. They have alternatives currently?

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    2. Folk can support whatever team they like. Just don't vote for no Scottish state / Scottish teams etc then claim proud scottishness. It's ridiculous, pathetic and sniveling lies.

      Just say 'I'm proudly British and British comes first for me!'. Be honest. Is it that much to ask? I have respect for that just fine. It's the lies about proud Scottishness that i've no respect for.

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    3. Or you can be both:
      “I’ve said numerous times how proud I am to be Scottish and how proud I have been to compete for Britain, too, and I don’t think these two things necessarily have to be mutually exclusive.”
      Chris Hoy.

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  16. Its is Brexiter like to blame the UK (England) for something that is nothing to do with them (ie your Union of Equals comment).

    The SNP is not unionist (it wants to break the UK union) ergo its Nationalist.

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    1. The SNP supports being in a union of 27 countries. It's unionist. I voted to be in union with England in 2014; that's what was proposed in the white paper. Union with England, Wales, N. Ireland, Ireland, France....

      The fact you can only see one union in your head means you are a nationalist; a British one.

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    2. No I see two unions British and EU i think Scotland should be in both I think Scotland should be in both, its you that wants to break unions not me.

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    3. I support a zillion unions for Scotland, which makes you and your mere 2 unions more of a nationalist than me.

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    4. Good for you:) Still makes you a nationalist in regards to the UK union.

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  17. Fuck me, now we've got two of them, or is anon GW's alter ego.

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  18. No i'm just a Scot who supports being part of the UK, can't see any problem with that.

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    1. You support Scotland being free to vote for independence at any time though yes, with no 'permission' needed from Westminster, i.e. you are Scottish?

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    2. Ye need yer eyes tested then.

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  19. Yea, Although I would of course vote not vote for Independence.

    I'm surprised the SNP are not so supportive of that position, they keep saying that permission (section 30) is required.

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    1. I've never heard the SNP say 'England's permission is required'. Quite the opposite in fact, and very clearly stated time and again. An automatic section 30 is the procedure by which this is recognised and the referendum process gets underway at appropriate governance levels.

      It's only the English government that says 'their permission is required' and that the union is not a union (unions are voluntary) but instead the devolved nations are English possessions. For them, a Section 30 is not automatic, but theirs to grant as fascist scum. This appears to be a position shared by all UK parties in London (I'm open to correction).

      Two quite contrary positions.

      Of course the 'you need our position' has done massive, irreparable damage to the union, with Yes steadily climbing in response. Try telling your partner that you own them and they can't leave you without your say so and see how long your union lasts.

      You of course appreciate this as you agree no permission should be required.

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    2. Aye, total strategic blunder by the British side.
      Hearing Maurice Golden trying to justify this on radio Scotland was a complete car crash.
      The end is nigh.

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    3. Sorry my mistake just assumed they thought permission was needed. After all if they could hold a referendum at any time they could of held one by now, which if yes had one, would of stopped Scotland from facing a hard no deal Brexit.

      Good to know that the reason that have not had a ref is because the SNP thinks 'now is not the time' and is not using its powers to stop Scotland crashing out of the EU.

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    4. No, the reason there is not a referendum scheduled as yet is the English government have said they will not allow the standard joint agreed legal process for referendum to occur. Instead, they've said they will take Spain's approach to any attempt at a vote in Scotland, outlawing it / the Scottish government.

      It's like this...Imagine that when Britain had requested article 50 to be triggered, that the EU27 had said 'No' and refused to start brexit negotiations. The would have meant no withdrawl agreement, no transition period...no new trade deal. The only option would have been for the UK to chose to 'crash out' of the EU in a potentially very damaging way, economically and socially. So, while nothing would have stopped the UK leaving, it would have had to delay this while it prepared a very difficult exit.

      This is what the English government have said to Scotland; they will try to block Scotland’s exit and not negotiate on the matter at all. They have said that the UK is dispensing with democracy and moving to totalitarianism with a major legal crackdown on any attempt at people voting. As a result, the Scottish government have had pause while contingencies are considered / prepared for.

      I guess you are not following things? It's been in all the papers; has caused a large shift to Yes. Something that brexit itself didn't do. 'You need our permission' is destroying the union in a way brexit itself could never do.

      It's just like if the EU had actually done what I've said above. Scotland would be swinging behind leave, myself included.

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    5. The UK government has outlawed Independence? You have the piece of legislation saying that there can never be a second ref?

      The Scot Gov could of taken the case to the supreme court and they could of made the decision either way. If it says a section 30 is needed then they have lost nothing, but if it had said no section 30 was needed thebn they could of moved on with the ref, stopping Scotland crashing out of the EU.

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    6. You are suggesting the Scottish government pass a new referendum bill then take themselves to court to contest it? I think you don't understand how these things work.

      If a new referendum bill passes, it will be legal unless challenged in court. It would be pretty stupid for the SNP/ScotGov to then challenge it in the supreme court themselves only to maybe have it then declared outwith competence or the like. That could result in huge delays as revisions were made.

      The UK government have made it clear they would contest such a move in the absence of a Section 30. That is when the case would go to court.

      So, we are back to the sensible position of the Scottish government examining alternative moves before they resort to a court battle which might set them back. Hence our vote date is unclear.

      In any event, what is crucial is that the English government keep telling Scots that they need England's permission. It's destroying the union.

      I think it's glorious that the UK media are insisting permission is needed even though legally that's not clear cut at all. It's the best way to give Yes a lead that cannot be undone.

      Unionists are doing more for Scottish indy now than the Yes camp could ever hope for, what with brexit and 'England owns Scotland!'. It's truly a sight to behold.

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    7. lets see, think you might find the yes vote is alot softer than you think

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    8. If so, then the 'Scots are a colony of England that needs permission for Independence' is absolutely perfect for hardening it up. It's hard to think of a method for doing this that would be more effective certainly.

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  20. Deutsch bank telling staff to pack their stuff and leave. Good old Liberal democracy from the GERMANS. Reminds me of Britoil in Glasgow. Workers told to sit at their desks and await a phone call then escorted by security out of the building. Good old EU and so called workers rights.

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    2. If, as you say, no business would ever do badly in Brexit Britain, then that would be amazing and I'm all ears.

      Unfortunately, this sounds like something from the side of a bus.

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    3. Like what on the side of a bus!

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  21. Sadly for some English is they do not have a government. However if the English are given a vote in a Scottish referendum this could be realised.

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    1. You need to tell the English Secretary of State for Education...SoS for Health etc about this. It will come as an EVELa shock to them

      And Boris.

      https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-avoids-scotland-brands-17280784

      Boris Johnson avoids Scotland as he brands Westminster an 'England parliament'

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      English nationals (birth certificates) resident in Scotland had a vote in 2014 but bottled it. We've been over this before.

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    2. English nationals in Scotland probably fear reprisals and retribution as happened in ROI to the Protestant community. You fanatics cannot be trusted with our welfare. Unionists in Scotland who are the majority need to be aware of the Scottish Nat si hatred which is similar to Sinn Fein IRA.

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    3. Robin of LocksleyJuly 9, 2019 at 8:28 PM

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    4. By reprisals you mean like electing a protestant as the first President of the Irish Republic?

      Or maybe forming a fully secular state unlike Britain/England which is a pseudo theocracy where deep hatred and bigotry bans all religions except CoE from being head of state?

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    5. Skier you are a fossil that survived the Ice Age.

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    6. From what I understand the Queen could well be Head of State of an Indipendant - are you saying if that is the case will Scotland be bigoted?

      Also 16 other countries have the Queen as head of state (this figure has more than doubled since her Coronation) are they bigoted as well?

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    7. *Independent Scotland

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    8. Erm, the Queen of an independent Scotland could be of any faith as Scotland has no state religion (also, the Queen is not head of the CoS).

      Likewise, I'm not aware of the other countries in question having a law that states the head of state must be Anglican for similar reason. If they do, then yes, they are bigoted. Any state non-secular state is inherently bigoted.

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    9. So if an iScotland continued to share a monarch with England and actually wrote into iScots law that said monarch must be of a specific religion, then yes it would be bigoted. Otherwise, no, it wouldn't be (simply having a monarch that is of a particular religion by circumstance does not constitute bigotry).

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    10. The real historical reason the monarchy is C of E is because of Vatican interference in our country and the attempt to make the Pope the superior being. Who would want this pervert child molesting Church to have any say in Scotland. Except skier!

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    11. I'm assuming that is one of the reasons you support indy, you could not be in a union with a country that does not seperate church from state (non secular)

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    12. Robin of LocksleyJuly 9, 2019 at 10:46 PM

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    13. It's not up to me to force my secularism on other countries. I'm not like England/Britain forcing its wishes on the other UK nations. I see it's doing this again to people in N. Ireland; not content with forcing membership of the UK (no recent border poll consultation), and brexit on them, now changes to equal marriage and abortion. These are devolved areas yet England is moving to change N. Irish law, dispensing with democracy there, enforcing its will.

      But yes, a big reason I support independence is that the UK has unelected 'muslim mullahs' in the HoL making Scottish laws. This is institutionally bigoted. Scotland isn't even a christian country.

      The we have the fact Jews are banned from being head of the British state, just as the supreme leader in Iran must be Muslim.

      To be honest, its questionable whether the UK should even be in the EU given its lack of democracy.

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    14. you mean Wales Scotland and England forcing their will, a majority of MPs from each of those countries voted yes in the amendments yesterday. To critisise just 'England' would of course be biggoted.

      Of course nothing is forced the NI assemble can reopen and vote against the laws (i believe they have till the end of October to do so)

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    15. Yes it is utterly unacceptable to have Scottish MPs voting on N. Irish laws. This is why the UK should break up, so stop Scottish MPs voting on English laws, English MPs on Scots laws etc. If there was no UK this wouldn't be a problem.

      It's nothing to do with bigotry though. It seems you don't understand what that means. This is a democratic problem.

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    16. But were are in the UK currently and Scottish MPS chose to vote on a NI devolved area. They could of abstained. If you think this was wrong then you have to criticizes all MPs who did so no matter what country they are from. To single one country out as you did in your original post is bigoted /xenophobic

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    17. No SNP MPs voted on the matter. It was a free vote, so they voted as individuals based on conscious.

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    18. 'conscience'.

      Even if the SNP had whipped them to vote for it as policy, this would be perfectly justified. If English MPs vote on devolved Scottish matters - which is now happening with the recent power grabs - then the same freedoms must apply to all MPs. These are the new British rules.

      However, it means that Westminster should immediately legislate to allow for indy/reunification referendums in all the home nations as devolution no longer applies in anything but name and the people have not been consulted on this (in fact Holyrood openly objected to it).

      People should be allowed to decide between a return to effective direct English rule or independence.

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    19. i never mentioned the SNP, Scottish MPs voted on a devolved issue along with MPS from Wales and ENgland, you criticized English MPs from doing so, as i have pointed out only criticizing English MPs and not Scotish/Welsh MPs is xenophobic.

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    20. Yes, it was English MPs that ended the convention of not voting on devolved matters when they took back control of devolved powers from the other three nations without consent.

      This is naff all to do with xenophobia, but a democratic issue, just as my original post says. I think I have every right to complain if English MPs bring devolution effectively to an end with no mandate/referendum on the matter. As for Scots and Welsh MPs; if they start following these new British rules, they can hardly be attacked for that. It wasn't them that brought the Sewel convention to an end was it.

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    21. I supposed I could also add that the DUP - the political wing of the British terrorist UVF and UK government C&S coalition partner - supported the Holyrood power grab and are withholding a Section 30 from Scotland.

      So they wanted Scottish MPs to vote on this in return to make things fair. Sinn Fein too apparently.

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    22. What powers, please list all these powers that have been grabbed? I understand they are powers that are still under the control of the EU until we leave?

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    23. The powers that Holyrood refused legislative consent for Westminster taking back control of:

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-44113864

      What do you not understand about Holyrood 'refused of legislative consent' but England took control of the anyway?

      Grabbing the powers is a power grab. Whether they are then used is a separate matter; they’ve still been grabbed whether used or not.

      93 to 30 against the fascist British state. It was hardly a nat wheeze.

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    24. They have not got them, UK don't get them until we leave the EU. The EU has power grabbed them from you!

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    25. acutally I think i need to apologise a little. I realise that you think that you think the Union is corrupt and undemocratic and that you think Scotland should be able to control is own laws not the Union. And i also get that you think Scotland will be better off financially out of the union and when Scotland leaves other countries in the union will also leave.

      After all i hear the same from Brexiters and don't really challenge them as much.

      Still can't work out the everything is other countries/Governments fault mindsets that both Scot Nats and Brexiters have, but there we go its one of those things.

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  22. Two new polls. One broken down by leave and remain. SNP on 51 + seats. Labor surging. Corbyn woke up, insists on second brexit vote. Why not two refs in one day?

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    1. To be honest it looks like both Brexit + Con will soon be ahead of the collapsing Labour vote. Meanwhile, Libs may be now hitting their historical ~20% max ceiling.

      http://britainelects.com/polling/westminster/

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    2. Labor went up 50% in a week...how is that a collapse.??

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  23. All the EU criminal corrupt erse lickers will have to call a truce and form an alliance. LABOUR/LIBERAL/GREEN & SCOTTISH NAT SIS. For ease call it the Vomit Bucket Alliance. VBA.

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    1. Robin of LocksleyJuly 9, 2019 at 10:47 PM

      Purse.
      Cordelia and purses.

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  24. I like Robin of Locksley. Does not say much. I like men like that. Hung like a dunkey I hope.

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    1. Robin of LocksleyJuly 9, 2019 at 11:52 PM

      Purse.
      Cordelia and purses.

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  25. Looks like China are not going to murder thousands in Hong Kong on the world TV stage. They are threatening the Philippines not to extract oil from the China Sea which China declares they are the owners. Kind of like the Jocko Nat sis saying they own Berwick upon Tweed.

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    1. Robin of LocksleyJuly 10, 2019 at 3:29 PM

      Purse.
      Cordelia and purses.

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  28. This is a positive development:

    https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/85CB/production/_107815243_herald.png

    The last anti-indy campaign successfully took the Yes vote from less than 30% all the way to 45%, with 'England will stop you using your Scots £' probably the most effective part, boosting Yes by ~5% directly.

    Recent low level No campaigning has of course taken increased Yes to 49% now.

    A fairly easy job then for the new PM then to take Yes over the 50% mark. The whole 'You jock scum need permission from us, your English masters, for independence' is particularly genius. That's really done the groundwork for the final push.

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    1. A small majority would be unacceptable. It would need to be at least 60%.

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    2. So you now wish to cancel brexit? This is quite a turnaround.

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    3. Oh my Lord!, I saw him shagging a boar's head.

      What? And he wishes to be a Prime Minister of the boondocks.

      Lord save us!, from the merry jesters.

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    4. Skier, you miss my sarcasm about majorities. You Nat sis claim one vote is enough. I agree and that is why we are leaving the EU as it was over a million.

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    5. State of this snivelling ultra-right-wing Domestos swiller.
      Cordelia must be heartbroken that its beloved Yaxley-Lennon got the jail.

      Purse.
      Cordelia and purses.

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