The Alba Party's suspended General Secretary broke his radio silence on Twitter at the weekend.
SNP on course to win 3/4 of constituencies. This means touch & go for pro indy majority as SNP list votes won’t deliver seats. Meanwhile Alba remain within touching distance of a breakthrough - if SNP voters back Alba on the list it guarantees keeping unionists out of Bute House. https://t.co/eMJpgr2fcz
— Christopher McEleny (@ChrisMcEleny) February 15, 2025
"if SNP voters back Alba on the list"
— James Kelly (@JamesKelly) February 16, 2025
Oh, if "ifs" and "ands" were pots and pans. What matters is that at the moment almost every poll is projecting Alba on zero seats, so it's actually Alba list votes that are wasted. https://t.co/qYJhI7mHQy
First of all, of course, there's the little psychodrama here of why McEleny has suddenly started posting supportive tweets about Alba when he appears to be firmly on his way out of the party, unless his ally Ash Regan pulls off a major surprise in the leadership election. I suppose it's possible that the MacAskill leadership might shy away from expelling McEleny from the party altogether simply due to his apparent closeness to Alex Salmond (the "telepathic link" and all that) - it would look like they were questioning Mr Salmond's judgement. However, it does seem practically certain that McEleny's removal as General Secretary will be upheld on the grounds of "gross misconduct" - and if you find someone guilty of gross misconduct in 2025 you can hardly run them as a Holyrood list candidate in 2026. My guess is that if McEleny is left with no role in the party, and has no means of using the party as a vehicle for his ambitions to become an MSP, he'll leave voluntarily.
But let's take his tweet about the 2026 election at face value. It suggests that Alba are in a right old strategic muddle, because it implies that once again they will not be trying to win votes in the normal way by persuading voters that they are the best party, and will instead be begging for votes on a tactical basis. OK, it's perfectly understandable that they don't think pitching themselves as the best party is a viable option, given all of the very public in-fighting, and the McCarthyite purges, and the deeply unattractive personalities at the top, and the half-baked policy platform. (Even though I was an elected member of the Alba NEC for a year, I still don't have a scooby whether the party wants to rejoin the EU or not - all you ever hear is the holding position about joining EFTA for the time being.)
But if you're going to pitch for tactical votes on the list, you have to do that coherently. You can't say to voters that they need to vote for different parties on the constituency ballot and the list ballot, and then announce that in some areas you're standing on both the constituency and the list and want votes for both. As I've mentioned before, I heard McEleny suggest as recently as August that the plan was to stand in at least eight constituency seats, and I've since discovered that others have heard him say exactly the same thing on other occasions.
And even if it wasn't for that hopeless incoherence, the raw arithmetic just doesn't support Alba's pitch for tactical votes anyway. Here is the seats projection from the new Norstat poll broken down into constituency and list seats -
Constituency seats:
SNP constituency vote. SNP or Green List Vote. Bye bye Alba?
ReplyDeleteI voted SNP constituency and Green list in 1999, 2003, 2007, 2011 and 2016. I always got a Green for my efforts—Robin Harper back in 1999—and I got an SNP MSP just the once in 2011.
DeleteThen the Greens purged Andy Wightman (my MSP!) out of their party for trans-cult reasons I've never understood, which scunnered me on them entirely. Wightman went off to the Highland region so I couldn't re-elect him.
I voted SNP and Alba in 2021. First time I've ever lost on both ballots! I expected more for Alba in 2021 but they fell short, all right. Can't see them doing any better now.
Seeing how awful the Greens still are, though, I’ve no idea who to vote for next year.
Anon 11.07 both votes SNP.
DeleteVote SNP on the list here in Lothian? The SNP hasn't won a list seat here since 2007:
Deletehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lothian_(Scottish_Parliament_electoral_region)
They absolutely could lose constituencies in this region, like they did at WM last year, but would their list vote hold up enough to win any back on the list? I don't consider them a valuable use for my list vote.
The Greens used to be the ideal choice here for a guaranteed win on the list. But that party's transformed so much they've given me the boak!
if SNP voters back Alba on the list it guarantees keeping unionists out of Bute House
ReplyDeleteInteresting use of that word. If SNP voters back the SNP on the list it also guarantees keeping Unionists out
I'm not sure how either suggestion guarantees that, but I hope it does.
DeleteVoting SNP on the list in 2021 ensured scores of Unionists were elected on the list.
DeleteThose unionists wouldn't be elected if hundreds of thousands of Scots weren't actually voting for them, mind.
DeleteThe "tactical voting" on the list argument is still ultimately just cheating the result. A "Yes" majority in Holyrood based on well under 50% of the vote doesn't get us any further than Lorna Slater and chums doing harm back in government again.
Yeah, it's nuts. The idea that getting Holyrood representation to be (even more) unfairly skewed in favour of Yes parties will cause Westminster to fork over a S30 is such a waste of everyone's time
DeleteKeaton the SNP and the Greens are a waste of time when it comes to independence. They proved that since 2021.
DeleteWell getting a pro-independence majority without either of them is going to be a toughie
Delete"...given the Greens' track record of full involvement in the 2014 Yes campaign "
ReplyDeleteI suppose by that logic what the SNP did in 2014 puts them beyond criticism now.
And let's remember that notional pro-Indy majorities can be under threat from within.
Still better than any vote that allows in unionists?
Delete"And let's remember that notional pro-Indy majorities can be under threat from within."
DeleteQuite so. If you'd elected Chris McEleny in 2021, you could easily have woken up one day to a Reform MSP. There are always these risks.
Lisa Cameron SNP MP defecting to the Tories. the most anti independence party you can get. How many more of these types are in the SNP.
DeleteVote SNP in both votes in 2026 for a fairer, greener, more progressive and more inclusive Scotland.
ReplyDeleteThey’re leading on net zero with green jobs and renewable energy. On LGBTQ+ rights, they back equality and on immigration and diversity SNP is welcoming.
Both votes SNP mean real progress for Scotland’s future—don’t leave it to chance.
The Devolutionist's charter.
Delete"On LGBTQ+ rights, they back equality and on immigration and diversity SNP is welcoming."
DeleteGiven what's going on with NHS Fife at the moment and the entirely justified backlash against the gender idiotology that's a guaranteed vote loser in Scotland.
Anon at 8.26. Read the room, or at least the news. N H S Fyfe? And anon at 9.13. The country still has to be governed on the road to Indy. You need to get real.
DeleteAnother map showing why Scotland is different:
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8.26
Delete"And anon at 9.13. The country still has to be governed on the road to Indy. You need to get real."
Can you run that by me again please. This time not in gibberish.
8.26am - progressive with the SNP/ Greens means putting rapists in women’s prisons. Progressive with the SNP/ Greens means putting men in women’s sports. Progressive with the SNP/ Greens means putting men in women’s changing rooms. Part of the reason SNP getting 30% in the polls and independence getting 50%.
Delete“ The country still has to be governed “ Holyrood is a devolved government. The real power still lies with Westminster. Hence self ID was binned by Westminster. Holyrood does not govern Scotland if it did we would be independent. The SNP should focus on independence not all the shit policies they have tried to deliver since 2021.
DeleteSadly for the Indy only -you still owe it to the people to govern with the powers available now.
DeleteHolyrood is not the electoral college for a rolling referendum on independence.
DeleteThat idea worked once, in 2011, when we secured indyref with a section 30. There's been two more majorities for independence won there since. That mechanism is not working.
Anon at 12.05. Read it again, more slowly. It’s very simple. Like you it seems. Silly billy.
DeleteNumb Nuts @ 3.20pm
DeleteEvolving gibberish to verbal diarrhea doesn't make you any more coherent.
Anon at 4.39. You should put the shovel down. You are coming across as a thicko in addition to being an arsehole. Good little billy boy. Off you go to flute practice.
DeleteAnon at 1.05. Go to the Holyrood Parliament website. It will explain the devolved powers and their governance from and by the Scottish parliament. Glad to have been of assistance.
Delete4.39
DeleteOK, my underestimation. You are a vocally incontinent moon howler.
Numb Nuts @ 5.25pm
DeleteI need the spade to counter the merde that emanates forth from your keypad.
The argument against the Greens, though, is that they've shown time and again that they're willing to drop their support for independence at the drop of a hat.
ReplyDeleteLorna Slater has openly admitted that independence isn’t a red line in future agreements, meaning they’d be willing to work with a party like Scottish Labour. Beyond their weak stance on independence, their time in government was marked by sheer incompetence. It’s difficult to ask anyone to support a party like that.
That's why both votes SNP. No messing around this time.
DeleteThe point is there is 10-15% of people who are not likely to vote SNP anyway.
DeleteRoughly, its 30% and they used to get 45%.
So the argument is trying to entice those people. Or even half.
It's not worked and doesn't look likely to work but that's the argument.
It's also important to realise that most people when voting don't vote purely on the constitutional issue and disregard everything else... especially when there's currently no plan in place to turn independence into a reality.
DeletePeople remember the student politics antics and how much money the Greens jizzed away on policies that weren't thought through and never came to fruition. Just supposedly being a pro-indy Party isn't enough by itself.
Anon 10.17 spot on
DeleteThe Greens are still polling very well, even after the humiliation of getting thrown out by Humza Yousaf (of all people!) for sheer incompetence.
DeleteYou get the feeling the people who support the Greens don't know much about them. They're succeeding in spite of themselves. I mean, Climate Change is a huge concern for young folk especially, so it makes sense they have a high floor.
Maybe Environmentalism is to the Greens what Independence is to the SNP: the thing you were elected for, but can't be arsed delivering.
"I mean, Climate Change is a huge concern for young folk especially"
DeleteIronically when was the last time the Scottish Greens actually talked about that?
10.17
DeleteExactly. If independence isn't an issue, its a referendum on SNP government to many people.
Well to a few zealots
DeleteIt is ALBA’s position that an independent Scotland should join the European Free Trade Association (EFTA) as an immediate priority. This will allow Scotland to gain access to the European Economic Area (EEA) and effective free trade with the EU, thus mitigating the negative effects of Brexit.
ReplyDeleteIndy first. E U considered thereafter. Alba position irrelevant in any event. They are finished.
DeleteAs I said, I'm none the wiser. Do Alba want to join the EU or don't they? We know all about the EFTA holding position but what's the eventual goal?
DeleteTo stay outside (but otherwise in sync with) the EU, like Norway, presumably.
DeleteNot nearly as popular as full EU membership though, I bet.
They say that EFTA membership would enable Scotland to negotiate to become a full member of the EU in due course if the people of Scotland so choose whilst enjoying the benefits of free trade, thus placing Scotland in a much stronger negotiating position with the EU for future membership.
DeleteThey don't outright state the ultimate goal but their wording strongly implies that EFTA is a means to an end rather than the final goal.
For "strongly implies" read half-baked. My guess is that McEleny and some others are anti-EU and there had to be a fudge to appease them.
DeleteHow was Salmond on EU membership?
DeleteAnd Nato for that matter?
Why do you think that?
DeleteIs that directed at me? Because I've seen McEleny post stuff that doesn't make him sound like a supporter of EU membership.
Delete62% of Scots want to be in the eu. I suspect it is even more now. EFTA is a watered down version.
DeleteIt could keep Brexiter Jim Sillars happy though.
DeleteThey have one elected representative anywhere. What's her opinion? Does it involve thermometers?
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DeleteZzzzzzzz
Delete11.14am get lost with your stupid Z posts. Zero value.
DeleteAnon at 12:43 ... but it had probably more value than the original post at 10:28.
DeleteAnon at 12.43. Get lost with your get lost retorts. Silly man. Zzzzzz was an apt response.
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DeleteChris McEleny has put himself forward to be Alba Depute Leader, standing against Neale Hanvey !
ReplyDeleteWho's counting the votes?
DeleteYou only really need to persuade them, after all.
Needs the money probably, so get the subs paid. Paying useless people a salary does seem to be the main function of Alba. Bit like WOS. Easy money if you can get it.
DeleteAll of that's true with bells on top for the SNP, of course!
DeleteIncluding the bit about fiddling a leadership election.
The issue Chris faces: Neale Hanvey is well known and popular within the Party.
DeleteChris needs 100 nominations. If you are an Alba member nominate Chris the contest will be top entertainment value, possibly featuring a ouji board.
DeleteThe Secret Army for the Vindication of President Jamez are poised to surround McEleny in Co-Op Food Gourock and seize control of the tannoy.
DeleteBut this is if there are unpatriotic errors in the popular vote.
Viva President Jamez!
200 nominations? Considering they only got 63 votes at Kirkintilloch. Mair chiefs than indians !
DeleteApparently, Joe Biden is putting himself forward to be nominated as one of the Leaders of Alba. According to Private Aye that is.
DeleteAlba within touching distance of a breakthrough.......
ReplyDeleteWhen touching distance is defined as the likelihood of Chris McEleny breaking the 100m world record.
I think we should all haud our wheesht until David Francis shows up and tells us what to think. What business has any of us forming opinions before The Man Himself has laid it down? It's not a good look for independence supporters, or any bunch of rabble, to have independent minds.
ReplyDeleteBe patient. It's coming for a' that.
Lol. SNP VOTE COLLAPSING, independence support FLATLINING, and now Alba—aka the party that was meant to DESTROY the SNP’s woke empire—is back to BEGGING for tactical votes because they can’t convince people to vote for them on their own merits. And who’s leading this latest desperate plea? McEleny, who’s about TWO TWEETS away from being BOOTED OUT of his own party. You honestly couldn’t make this up.
DeleteAnd let’s talk about the "strategic genius" behind this. Alba’s plan is to beg for list votes while also standing in constituencies—so they want people to vote SNP in one place, Alba in another, while also pretending SNP is beyond saving? Make it MAKE SENSE. Meanwhile, the GREENS are actually winning LIST SEATS, SNP still manages to scrape ONE, Reform is SURGING, and Alba? NOWHERE. AGAIN. But aye, let’s all pretend voters are just queuing up to throw their ballots at a party that can’t even break 1%.
And the excuse? "BUT THE GREENS AREN’T REALLY PRO-INDY!" Aye, because THAT’S the real problem here, not the fact that Alba is a politically homeless collection of Twitter warriors who spend more time fighting each other than making a serious case for independence. If this is the big master plan to take Scotland forward, we’re actually in MORE TROUBLE than I thought. The ABSOLUTE STATE of it.
David Francis has a secret plan. Believe.
DeleteLol. A SECRET PLAN? Aye, just like the SNP has a SECRET ROUTE to independence—totally real, definitely happening, just need to BELIEVE. Maybe the plan is to LOSE MORE VOTES, maybe it’s to IGNORE THE ELECTORATE HARDER, or maybe it’s just to PRETEND EVERYTHING IS FINE while Reform and Labour eat their lunch. But aye, let’s all sit tight and have FAITH in the GENIUS MASTERPLAN that definitely isn’t just "hope the voters stop noticing the SNP falling apart." The ABSOLUTE STATE of this delusion.
DeleteWait until you see the whites of their eyes. Then wait some more!
Delete"Hold… hold… … …"
Wait until you see the Albumen. [Geddit??]
DeleteHow I detest LARGE CAPS
DeleteWould SMALL CAPS be OK?
DeleteLol. Ah YES, the REAL crisis in Scottish politics—NOT the SNP vote COLLAPSING, NOT independence support GOING NOWHERE, but the USE OF CAPITAL LETTERS. Truly, this is the debate that will lead us to FREEDOM. Maybe if the SNP shouted a bit LOUDER they wouldn’t be BLEEDING VOTES, and maybe if Alba had spent less time IMPLODING they wouldn’t be BEGGING FOR SCRAPS. But no, let’s all focus on the REAL issue—TOO MANY CAPITALS.
DeleteAnd aye, let’s compromise—maybe small caps for the SNP’s future electoral hopes? Or better yet, invisible caps for Alba’s list seats? The ABSOLUTE STATE of these priorities.
You David Francises were funny at first but now you're boring.
Delete"You David Francises were funny at first but now you're boring."
DeleteMuch like the real one.
Lol
ReplyDeleteWould you mind repeating all that, Tenth Rate Anon Imposter 😁
Ta much, Dummy.
I mean he seems to have words randomly in all caps for no reason down well.
DeleteI think the imposter is the phoney reverend, or one of his most loyal disciples.
DeleteReaders, we feared that James Kelly would allow SGP to degenerate into a vile and nonsensical hell-site...
DeleteLo!
DeleteFor it was foretold,
As in the Scripture,
As written in the bath,
And cried aloud for these umpteen nights,
And spoken, in truth and word.
I, Your Father, always said it was a web shite.
Amen.
We shall refrain from commenting.
DeleteFunny Franny's back!
DeleteStarmer considering sending troops, no wonder that many Labour voters are going back to the SNP
ReplyDeleteWe are poorly served by our political parties. Starmer is worse than Thatcher.
DeleteOrder of boots on the ground.
Delete1. All Royal family.
2. All landed gentry and title holders.
3. All children old enough to serve from the above 2 categories.
4. All MPs who voted for boots on the ground and all their offspring of sufficient age.
5. Starting at the top, work down the earnings records of HMRC. Highest earners downwards as and when needed.
In short, those gaining the most from the current corrupt system in the UK put their lives first on the line to defend their interests.
Any suggestions on additions/alterations would be most welcome.
This is confusing, which one is the real D Francis?
ReplyDeleteLol. The REAL David Francis? SIMPLE. It’s the one who tells you SNP is the MOST POPULAR PARTY ON MAINLAND BRITAIN while its vote COLLAPSES, and Reform UK SURGES. The one who insists SNP is STRONGER THAN EVER while they BLEED votes in every direction and barely hold on to a pro-indy majority. The one who will call Alba a JOKE PARTY but still expect their voters to come crawling back when needed. The one who will NEVER admit the movement is in absolute FREEFALL because that would mean facing reality.
DeleteSo aye, which David Francis is real? The one in absolute DENIAL or the one who secretly KNOWS the game is up but just can’t bring himself to say it? The ABSOLUTE STATE of it.
Watch yer blood pressure, Dummy.
DeleteIt's a good impression to be fair, that's your exact writing style.
DeleteThe SNP the supposed party of independence does not like people having an independent mind. Group think rules says David Francis. You must obey or else.
ReplyDeleteAnon at 12:39 ... you forgot to put some words in capitals.
DeleteAch, there's always the NSP !
DeleteBell End's smart though: his party's not standing on either ballot. Can't blame him for splitting the indy vote! It's a win (nothing) - win (nothing) strategy.
DeleteAnon 2.58 what's the point of him having a political party then ?
DeleteThe New Scotland Party is indivisible. As it expresses its nature it cannot be at war with itself. Branches do not need to exist. And pesky reality checks from constituency results are avoided.
DeleteBell proposes UDI which is an absolute non starter. Interestingly he goes very quiet when asked to map out the process.
DeleteNah........you are getting it mixed up with Alba, pal.
ReplyDeleteIt’s spelled ABLA for fuck’s SAKE ya diddy! For crying in a BUCKET. You cannae make it up!
DeleteWhat drivel IFS.
ReplyDeleteThe thing is if the SNP get the same %age for the list as the constituency, i.e. 35%, and shave a bit off other parties, the SNP get 4 list seats for a total of 58 seats with the Greens at 10. That means the SNP can afford to lose 1 as PO if it's their "turn".
ReplyDeletehttps://www.electionpolling.co.uk/swingometer/scottish-parliament?election=2021s&cSNP=35&cCON=15&cLAB=18&cLD=11&cGRN=6&cREF=14&rSNP=35&rCON=15&rLAB=16&rGRN=9&rLD=10&rALBA=3&rREF=12#Scotland
If the SNP aren't basically going to sweep the board of constituencies, then they need every single list vote they can get to make up for the lost constituency seats. Just like 2011 without which there would have been no referendum at all.
Incidentally as a comment on Fergus Ewing, if the SNP do cravenly sack him I think he'd stand as an Independent - and get elected. -1 for the SNP on the cons but a greater percentage on the List to compensate!
ReplyDeleteSuch a cunning plan Baldrick ...
It's almost as if winning constituency seats counted arithmetically against you on the top up list…
DeleteYi2, no he won’t.
ReplyDeleteYes he will
DeleteYES HE CAN!
DeletePicturing the poster with Fergus’s fine visage and the word HOPE emblazoned on a halo…
Fergus will have Kevin McKenna as his election agent.
DeleteAnd YIR2 will be in charge of trapping stoatirs.
DeleteThat's a stotter! Or is it the way you walk?
DeleteAye , and he (YIR2 ) will be feedin currents soaked in ethanol tae puir wee pheasants.an wringing their necks . Better than leaving em tae the gun totin toffs.
DeleteI should start charging fees for membership of my fan club. £10 a month and that's £30 or £40 already. Kerrrrrrrching!
DeleteSee above post by James. Both votes SNP gives the SNP ONE additional regional list MSP. That’s right only 1 additional SNP MSP.
ReplyDeleteAlso as per the above post by James - 46 regional list MSPs for Reform/Labour/Libdem/Tory.
Both votes SNP gives you lots of unionist MSPs.
Both votes SNP is the safest option in terms of maximizing SNP MSPs.
Delete7.07pm - yes it is. But it is also the safest option for maximising unionist MSPs. It is a loser approach. Look at all the unionist MSPs on the list in 2021 and then look at how many SNP list MSPs there were. Explain why a party that claims to want independence tries to maximise the number of unionist MSPs.
DeleteMike Lothian: That's the second time you've misrepresented my position on the same subject. It's the complete opposite of what I said in the blogpost and you can see that for yourself. Don't do it again. Comment deleted.
ReplyDeleteJust popped on here for a quick pick me up. Thanks gadgies.. it’s good to laugh.
ReplyDeleteSeriously what if Reform keep rising in the poles? Are they a threat to the SNP constituency vote? I wonder what percentage they need before that happens?
James do you know?
As explained in a previous post, Reform are causing much more harm to fellow unionist parties than to the SNP.
DeleteHope this helps.