Before I forget about it, let's take a quick look at the "Ipsos Scotland Political Pulse" poll that was published last week, because it contains yet more positive straws in the wind suggesting the SNP may now have a good chance of winning in 2026 - or at least "winning" if that is defined as remaining the largest single party and possibly remaining in power without an overall pro-independence majority. For the uninitiated, the Political Pulse is very different from the regular Ipsos polls for STV, because it's conducted via online polling panel rather than by telephone, and there are no outright voting intention questions. However it does contain personal ratings for leading politicians, and we know those are often more predictive of election results than standard voting intention questions anyway.
Net ratings of leading politicians (Ipsos, 18th September 2024):
Kate Forbes (SNP): -11
John Swinney (SNP): -11
Anas Sarwar (Labour): -16
Keir Starmer (Labour): -23
Rachel Reeves (Labour): -27
Douglas Ross (Conservatives): -47
Rishi Sunak (Conservatives): -53
OK, these numbers don't exactly demonstrate enthusiasm for the SNP, but you only have to defeat what's put up against you, and both John Swinney and Kate Forbes appear to be considerably less disliked now than any of Labour's top team. And if you're a bit underwhelmed by the depth of Starmer's unpopularity at -23, remember the fieldwork is already a couple of weeks old and he's almost certainly slipped further since then.
Other polls asking about leadership in the alternative way, ie. a head-to-head question about who would make the best First Minister, have almost always shown the SNP leader ahead in recent times, regardless of whether that person was Humza Yousaf or John Swinney. So whichever way you look at it, the question of leadership does still seem to give the SNP a clear edge, even after all their travails and even after losing a phenomenon such as Nicola Sturgeon.
This will probably be the last poll in which Douglas Ross is rated, so it's nice to see him getting such a lovely send-off. (Or should that say sending-off?)
Just as crucial is that Labour as a whole no longer have a superior rating to the SNP as a whole. It's essentially level-pegging now with the SNP on -12 and Labour on -13. Respondents also have slightly less confidence in the Labour government's plans for the economy (-37) than they do in the SNP government's plans (-33).
And although the SNP government is perceived as having performed poorly on every policy area that is asked about, the perception of respondents is that Labour would do even worse - with the sole exception of education, where there's a tie between those who think Labour would do better than the SNP and those who think they would do worse.
In all honesty, I think anyone looking at these numbers totally objectively, say an observer from a foreign land, would come to the conclusion that the most likely outcome of the 2026 election is a modest SNP win. But of course there's still a lot of water to pass under the bridge.
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Frankly, I'm astounded that a person of Anas Sarwar's calibre is rated so highly.
ReplyDeleteVery anti politics electorate out there.
ReplyDeleteSilver lining is even at a low point, which is always inevitable, the SNP aren't at 20%.. they could very well win.
I'm not even looking at 2026 particularly. I'm looking further ahead. What is best, an snp in opposition just behind Labour or minority snp winning another term? For the next wind to occur, hard to say
I don't have the slightest doubt: an SNP win. Labour in governmrnt would be a generational setback.
DeleteBut we're at a generational set back just now.
DeleteA zombie snp administration limping on will keep the SNP in power but independence at arms length. A clear out and a starmer esque majority is required to change the dial
I want the snp to win but I want independence more. Taking a step back I just don't see how the mojo for independence comes until they win big from opposition
I really don't see the SNP and their supporters doing anything different from previous elections tbh: Insisting that we all need to vote for the SNP on both the Constituency and the List in order to keep the independence dream alive and people getting annoyed at how heavily they push that messaging.
DeleteI hope I'm wrong but unless there's a strategic shift, something tangible beyond just keeping the dream alive I can even see many struggling to give the SNP their first vote next time. There's a considerable amount of apathy out there, that really needs to be addressed.
Anonymous at 10.29. Do you not understand that Labour are dismantling Devolution before your eyes? A labour win in 2026 will see Indy put back by twenty years. The lack of awareness shown by some on here is deeply worrying.
DeleteIndy is already back at least ten years bud. I'm looking at the path which can bring the next cycle.
DeleteLabour in charge, then the next cycle.
Labour doing things in power is part of the case that will be needed. Long game.
I hope there's different messaging used for the 2026 election as clearly the pleading to vote SNP to keep the unionists out wasn't enough to sway many in the election this year.
DeleteSwinney and Kate Forbes are doing a great job, managing to turn the tide so quickly for the SNP after Yousaf's disasters.
ReplyDeleteAnd I expect Starmer's and Sarwar ratings to go down even more
Yes
DeleteMore proof that people are fed up of politicians.
ReplyDeleteIt is. And that suggests to me that there's a real window for a party which says that and shows the public that they are different or changed. If the SNP wakes up, ditches Swinney and focuses on sorting out its internal governance and focuses on simple it might manage it.
DeleteNobody cares about internal governance!
DeleteThe main worry is that people who are sick of the status quo and traditional politicians can easily be taken advantage of to vote against their own best interest.
DeleteThat mentality of being sick of the status quo caused Brexit, caused the rise of Trump in the US, the popularity of Reform south of the border. People can end up gravitating to those shouting the loudest that they will shake up the system.
The SNP is seen as being part of the establishment and thus part of the problem now.
We need the Reverend Campbell to save Scotland. :)
DeleteNo. Peter A. Bell and his new party will save Scotland !
DeleteThe parliament electoral system is basically a proportional representation, so a pro independence majority won't be on the cards next time, but the important thing is who wins the most seats and elects the First minister.
ReplyDeleteAnd anyway Starmer would never allow a referendum, so it doesn't really matter
Forbes = Swinney .
ReplyDeleteSarwar = Netanyahu
DeleteKC = Yoav Gallant
DeleteSNP = Classic FM
DeleteAlba = Betamax
DeleteSGP = My Wonderwall
DeletePNG = Celine Gottwald
Deletenow do the alphabet women
DeleteAlphabetties = miss piggy
DeleteIssue is though we're in completely different circumstances from 2007 for example. Back then the right thing to do was to allow the Party with the largest number of seats to form a Government and Bills get passed on a case by case basis through cooperation and negotiation... but there's no bridges left for that kind of cooperation to be possible.
ReplyDeleteExcluding potentially the Greens and assuming Alba don't get any MSPs elected every other Party badly want the SNP out of power and will never support them in a formal or informal basis like they did during the 2007-2011 administration. If pro-indy MSPs aren't a majority there's no way the SNP will be able to form a Government next time.
John Swinney deserves credit for stabilisation of the SNP's position. He is very popular with ordinary people.
ReplyDeleteHE HAS SHOWN SURENESS-OF-TOUCH
Deletebad touch, surely
DeleteHow would you describe his speech at conference?
DeleteYes, he's the best leader in the history of devolution, perhaps the world. Definitely the sexiest.
DeleteVery clear touches of soreness.
DeleteStabilised at 9 MPs. A level that posters on SGP
Deletesaid was definitely a resigning level. Now they say he is great - isn’t propaganda something else.
Nope, John Swinney is the reason why they don't have 0 MPs!
DeleteThat's classed as overwhelming success and a clear sign he was the right choice.
Anon 3.21pm - that's classed as gaslighting and a clear sign you are a prick.
DeleteNo he isn't. Alex salmond is popular with ordinary people. apart from yoons of course.
DeleteThis survey poll brings into sad reality the political process in Scotland whereby all of the major political party heads are disliked with no positive approval.
ReplyDeletePut in more earthy language they are all a bag of shoite.
It's really a case of how folks take their shite,- with or without sugar.
Oh dear. Obviously Rip van Winkle has just awakened from their long, long, sleep. Thatcher, Major, Blair, Brown, Cameron, May,Truss, Sunak Johnson and now Cardboard Starmer.
ReplyDeleteWars in Iraq - for weapons that don’t exist, Afghanistan, Falklands attacked by equipment we sold to the Junta, Syria Palestine Israel- the war mongers profit at the expensive of children. We had steel industry removed , ship building decimated - what happened to the all the new frigates? Austerity, the theft of our oil gas and now renewables, more austerity, bank crashes and the loss of Scots banking after 300 years, M25 built on our monies, Violence in Ireland, more austerity on the way, Westminster noses in the trough, COVID, Davidson, Mone, Prince Andrew, scandal after scandal, Post office jailing, Brexit - tough Scotland - suck it up. There is a lot to say for sleep.
@10:24,
DeleteOh dear, talking to yourself! Never a good sign.
I hope you’re not quite ready for the men in white coats yet though.
Who are you talking too?
DeleteWhat on earth is that supposed to mean? It's a list of random events.
DeleteAusterity was deliberate not random. As was the Iraq war….
DeleteAgree, Brit Nats out.
ReplyDeleteI see the unionist keyboard warriors are out on manoeuvres. I suspect they really are as stupid as their posts suggest. Difficult to believe I know.
ReplyDeletePolitics on the telly, sound off - english tory bastards, could be english labour tory bastards, or english libdem tory bastards or english green tory bastards; there is a common thread running here.
ReplyDelete- but "better together", eh?!
wherever you go in america, there is a macdonalds; wherever there is politics in the UK, it is english tory bastards. Don't let the colour of rosette fool you.
Pathetic nationalist bullshit.
DeleteLittle wonder independence supporters are in a minority with dickheads like you posting comments like that!
Little wonder support for independence isn’t increasing, with pricks like you spouting crap like that.
DeleteIt’s embarrassing!
what's your point caller?
Deletewe need the wise steadying pimp hand of the anglo, they created western civilisation, according to their history books
DeleteAnon@12:21.
DeleteDesperate stuff.
Some of you Nats are an embarrassment.
And you wonder why more people don’t support independence!
Rule Britannia
DeleteGod save the King.
God never saved your Queen even though you sung it thousands of times.
DeleteWe know what you’re trying to do you moron. Back to the Daily mail for you and have some self respect. What a stupid tosser you are.
DeleteAnon 1:15,
DeleteYou’re a right smart arse yourself.
You cannae even say what comment you’re replying to !!
Anon at 8.17. The post has a number of replies to it. Mine is one of them. It is self evident you cretin. If someone wants to pick up on one of the replies to the post, it is then appropriate to refer specifically to it, as I have just done with you. You were trying to be a smart arse and just showed yourself up as a complete dickhead. I think the appropriate word is headshot. Fall down and give us all peace you muppet. Sadly you’re too stupid to be appropriately embarrassed.
DeleteAnon10:48am,
DeleteYou are an absolute dickhead.
And totally deluded too of course if you somehow think independence is a good idea. Away and stick a thistle where the sun disnae shine you tosser.
Clearly not a lot between your ears.
Genuine question - why doesn't the SNP leadership understand that it is in the electoral Last Chance. Saloon and that only plugging in to the pro independence vote can save it ?
ReplyDeleteReal answers welcome - not very smart school kid stuff - no thanks.
I'm actually surprised that they're not at least bullshitting that they're going to do something. It's like they've given up.
DeleteWhoever is advising them that independence should be put on the backburner should be sacked as lets face it that's the SNP's unique selling point and without it we're left to focus on how they're handling other issues and that's not exactly a vote winner...
The Swinney/Forbes SNP leadership team does support Scottish independence. It is party policy.
DeleteThe SNP supports independence in the same way Starmer supports Scottish pensioners.
DeleteMore like the SNP are treating independence the same way Labour are treating House of Lords reform.
DeleteA politician and principles is a rare thing but Starmer talking about principles is an even bigger joke. Politicians on the make have no principles and that is most of them.
ReplyDeleteTo be fair to John Swinney he has been pretty consistent and honourable on such matters.
DeleteDid the accountant Swinney ever ask his pal Sturgeon what is this new accounting term “woven in to the accounts”?
DeleteDid he ever ask Sturgeon where is the missing £600k.
I very much doubt it as he was found wanting in covering up Sturgeon’s previous dodgy actions.
He has been consistently dishonourable.
Starmer has no say in Scottish independence unless he chooses to send in the english army to be slaughtered.
ReplyDeleteWe have the power to hold a vote at any time on any subject and declare independence without one if WE so desire.
When did england get to rule Scotland? it's either a union of 2 (T W O) countries or it isn't.
England and Scotland formed a union in 1707 and it was ratified by a vote in Scotland in 2014..
DeleteStrange that naebody mentioned anything aboot act o union being ratified .
DeleteIf folk kent mair aboot the said act and oor enforced colonial status the 2014 ref micht weel hae turned oot itherwise!
Anon 10.52 . You're mair o a barrheid!
DeleteAnon 11 56 I think the time has come for you to seek help.
DeleteBudget coming up. Labour’s popularity ratings should take another nosedive.
ReplyDeleteIn contrast John Swinney has been a much needed safe pair of hands who is liked by ordinary people.
DeleteEspecially in Aberdeen & thereabouts
DeleteYes, John Swinney gave a rather subdued speech at conference and any activist hoping that he might unveil some fresh new ideas that could turn the party’s fortunes around will have left the conference hall disappointed.
DeleteNot as big a nosedive as the SNP though.
DeleteThere is an Opinium poll where Starmer rating is below Sunak
ReplyDeleteLOL
DeleteEven funnier is that expectations of a Lab win in HR 2026 remain inexplicably elevated. Pride before the fall (crash).
Nationalist bullshit.
DeleteLots o Britnats above 1.03 and1.08 . They're really feart that we won't give on on independence and the English will hae tae manage wioot oor resources. They should he braver- an Indy England would manage in time although they might have to tighten their belts somewhat .
ReplyDeleteFor you the “dream” is well and truly over.
DeleteYou need to get over it and move on!
Poor Anon at 2:27 pm. She's trying hard to convince herself. Bless the wee soul.
DeleteYou probably said that to the people of The Chagos Islands too .
ReplyDelete@1 08,
ReplyDeleteWell said
Rule Britannia.
Rule britannia - weve nae ships anymair, oor carriers are sinking and hivnae any planes......
ReplyDeleteFool Britannia mair like ! And , mind folks , Scotland was never in the Roman province bar the sooth fae a few decades. Mind also the Wall o Hadrian wis built tae keep oot the English.
ReplyDeleteBritnat bingo
ReplyDeleteDeluded.
Unhinged.
Brainwashed.
Bullshit.
Bingo.
Chagos Islanders defeat England.
ReplyDeletebut what currency will they use? and they won't be in the EU and NATO; nigel farage won't like it
Deletechagossians have now sold england to russia for a chemical waste dump and bombing range; house prices going through the roof at this improvement to shithole status
Deletechagos islanders have sold fracking licenses for under trinity college, cambridge, 10 downing street and have declared the isle of wight to be a freeport
Deletechagos islanders shutting down all of england's 5 oil refineries, says they can buy the stuff from amsterdam. Says it is a commercial decision, the free market works and anyone who disagrees is a communist and economically illiterate
Deletechagos islands too wee, too poor, too stupid
Deleteand if they leave they won't get the bbc or sky sports.
Deletea late surge from the silent majority of the chagos postal voters who are worried about losing their pensions will keep the chagos in the most successful political union of all time; ruth davison says so
Deleteif the chagos do this they should be made to pay back all the universal housing child benefit they have been claiming
Deletein a late move, with no photograpy or exit polls, the UK has claimed it WON, not the other guys and are you calling me liar, prove it you cant
DeleteThe Chagos islanders certainly won’t miss seeing that obnoxious cow Fiona Bruce.
DeleteWestminster has been saying for decades now that the Falkland islanders have the right to self determination. Westminster went to war against Argentina claiming this. Scotland they say does not have the right to self determination. Yet Scotland is a much older nation.
ReplyDeleteDouble standards by the colonial bunch in London. Perfidious albion.
the falklands are going nowhere, ahem ...
Deletehttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/13/russian-oil-discovery-british-antarctic-falklands-argentina/
Anon at 7.43pm - who said the Falklands were going anywhere? Continental drift doesn’t work that quick.
Deletewhy didn't james 6 incorporate england into scotland and then trash and loot the place
DeleteAll the Britnats who post on SGP demonstrate is their lack of intellect and their lack of any case for the UK.
ReplyDeleteNo doubt a Britnat will be along soon to say bullshit.
Chagos 1 - England 0
The world is fed up with colonialism. That’s you Westminster and your colonial bully Israel.
Just a pity for you that the majority of the Scottish people don’t share your opinion.
DeleteMajority of SCOTTISH people do.
DeleteAye you wish.
Deleteif we don't allow our eternal historical enemies a veto on our self determination, then we are racists - civic nationalism works, just look at the holy land - new palestinians are palestinians
Deletepalestinians need to make the case for palestine to the Soft Noes of the IDF
Deletepalestinians need to have a national conversation about what it means to be palestinians then really go for it in 2030
Deletebut what currency will the palestinians use?
Deletewe are all Jibrahim MacTamsonbergsteisn bairns, after all
Deleteif the palestinians win another mandate Netanyahu's position will be untenable
Deletedid the palestinians obtain a section 30 for their intifada - if not then it's not legal and any results are merely advisory; netanyahu took it to the sanhedrin who concluded - stone him and let his blood be cursed for generations
Deletescots will be the new palestinians once the anglos have their way; skye is like a home counties gymkhana, edinburgh is anglo occupied and the borders will fall next.
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