Tuesday, March 12, 2024

No, Professor Robertson, young people do not support gender self-ID. They oppose it.

So the exciting news is that we've had another visitation from Professor John Robertson in the comments section.  I was trying to work out what the recurring theme of his comments is, and it suddenly struck me that a lot of his strictures have got a distinctly macho-man feel to them.  "Man up", "grow a pair", "surely you've had harder knocks than that, son".  It's reminiscent of a craggy-faced PE teacher in the 1950s going purple with rage because one of his eight-year-old pupils has a feminine side, spends "too much time with girls", and refuses to take up boxing.

Which is gloriously ironic, of course, because Professor Robertson is in fact the fairy godfather of the snowflake brigade who demand to be "kept safe" from opinions that offend them.  He doubtless earnestly believed that the unlawful cancellation of Joanna Cherry's appearance at the Edinburgh Festival was a "safety at work" issue, ie. the staff would have been so upset by hearing her gender critical views that they would have suffered the equivalent of a serious industrial injury.

Apparently oblivious to the contradiction, about five seconds after telling me last night to be more robust and manly he reverted to telling me to shut up about my beastly opinions because some vulnerable soul might hear them.

"Wow! You really think that? You've gone positively Zionist there son.

However, I must be clear, it was never my intention to sabotage your funding and I don't think I suggested that people should not fund you. I stand ready to be corrected and if I did, I apologise and withdraw the statement.

I am genuinely disappointed in the way Alba has developed and as researcher and teacher with 40 years experience in schools, colleges and universities, I know that the gender reforms are supported by the young who have grown up with trans individuals and by professionals who understand the risks. That SGP and WOS have campaigned against these reforms makes me justifiably very angry."

So that's basically the "not up for debate" entitlement complex in a nutshell. "It makes me very very VERY cross that you haven't abandoned your opinion after I and other unspecified authority figures informed you that you were wrong.  What do you think this is - some kind of liberal democracy?"  

If Robertson spent just a bit less time wallowing in his "justified anger", he might be able to, y'know, actually argue his own case calmly and rationally, but I suspect he's forgotten how to do that by now.  Not much call for debating skills when you've got "safe spaces" to hide in.

I must say that when Robertson describes Scot Goes Pop, it sounds like a blog I don't even recognise.  In reality I've spent a miniscule fraction of the time discussing the trans issue that Wings has, and I've also gone out of my way at times to express my bewilderment at the sheer number of consecutive trans-related posts that Wings has managed to publish.  Stuart Campbell is, if I may say so, almost as obsessed with the bloody topic as Robertson himself.

Is it even true that I've "campaigned" against the introduction of gender self-ID?  I expressed my own view that it was a terrible piece of legislation that would cause immense harm to people's lives, although unlike Stuart Campbell I also made clear that it would be outrageous for the UK Government to veto the law.  Other than that, the only act I took was to commission an opinion poll on the subject, which sought to use neutral, clear and balanced questions to find out what people really thought.  Most of the polls prior to that had been of dubious value due to their use of either leading questions or ideologically-loaded language.  I suspect the poll is what Robertson is really getting at when he refers to my "campaigning" - to a "no debate" zealot, neutrality and balance will look like an all-out attack.

But it's precisely because I commissioned the poll that I know Robertson's assertion that young people support self-ID has no basis in fact.  I had to trawl through my email account to re-find the data tables, and while it's true that opposition to self-ID is significantly lower among young people than among older people, there's nevertheless a clear plurality against self-ID among the young.  Only 34% of 16-34 year olds think that anyone should be able to change their legal sex or gender by simply making a solemn declaration that they are living in their new gender.  A total of  47% of 16-34 year olds think either that no-one should be able to change their legal gender, or that the threshold should be higher than self-ID - either a medical diagnosis or surgery should be required.

Furthermore, by a narrow margin of 37% to 36%, young people say that those who have changed their legal gender from male to female should not be able to access female-only spaces on exactly the same basis as other women.  And by a whopping margin of 46% to 28%, young people think women's sport should be reserved for biological females and should exclude anyone born as a male.

(The above figures are all taken from a Scot Goes Pop / Panelbase poll conducted 20th-26th October 2021.)

It's a logical fallacy to suggest that because young people hold a particular view, they must be right and the older generations have a duty to fall in behind them.  If that was the case, only under-35s would have the vote.  But if Robertson really believes that's how it should work, the conclusion is inescapable: he must renounce his views immediately and become a TERF.  And we shall justifiably be very, VERY angry with him if he doesn't. 

Listen to the kids, John.  They've suffered enough.  *Listen* to them.

47 comments:

  1. I've misjudged you badly. I'll leave you be.

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    1. The sheer pomposity of that comment made me laugh out loud. Thanks for brightening my day.

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    2. To think I used to defend you against the school bully, Stu.

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    3. Well that's cleared up that you think you weren't previously being hostile or belligerent *enough* - which is frankly incredible given the number of times you've popped by over the last few months simply to leave puerile schoolboy insults. I trust "I'll leave you be" means we'll now see an end to that nonsense.

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  2. It'll save you spending so much time replying to the old git.

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    1. Prof. John is a good man. No need for that ageist cr@p.

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    2. Agree there's no need for ageism. Disagree that Prof. John is a good man. He's downright nasty sometimes.

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  3. You're very confused - James Kelly isn't "Stu".

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    1. Maybe he meant Stu at WoS was bullying James?

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    2. Ah, so, he thinks Stu is the school bully.

      Did James go to school in Bathgate?

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    3. Stu comes across as someone who learned that telling on the bullies was not an option, back in the hard man days in Bathgate. Bully or be bullied. Evidently, you can't unlearn that.

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    4. What is it with him and the Bath-themed placenames? Could he ever imagine living somewhere without Bath in the name?

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    5. Bathgate SG-1

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  4. Sorry, what bits?

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  5. Gender ideology definitely is a creature of the college campus. Fortunately, like college life, it does not last long.

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  6. I think Robertson's got a nasty case of being terminally online. I suspect he's been well and truly captured by his social media bubble.

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  7. SGP is a competent psephologist like Curtice. Robertson, ain't.

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    1. Meanwhile Stu is but an honest man of the cloth. (The number of his followers who do in fact believe that…)

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  8. That's about SEX. this is about GENDER. If you don't know the difference, that's why you shouldn't speak about it.

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  9. Anon at 9.29pm who cannae carry out the simple task of clearly identifying who his/her post is referring to telling other unspecified people to shut up.

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  10. I believe that one was satire. The defining feature of the gender "debate" is all the screaming that others should SHUT UP, after all. That's why it's so uniquely tiresome.

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  11. Depends what is meant by gender ideology and how it is asked.

    Can be a wide spectrum from thinking people should be able to be addressed and dress in their chosen gender identity to competing in women's sports. I don't think there is a defined definition like, eg independence for a country.

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    1. My own view, for what it's worth—and that would be NOTHING because HATE CRIME! according to many in this debate—is that gender and sex are distinct and we can accommodate that in our society if we wish.

      Sex is inborn, immutable and innate: the "hardware" side of the equation. Gender is performative, an act we put on socially, the "software" side of things.

      I've nothing against people living in a different gender than they were born with, and though I struggle with non-traditional pronouns, I’m not fundamentally against that, either. What I am against, however, is the demand that "transwomen ARE women" and that anyone can rewrite their birth certificate. Transwomen are transgendered men. There's nothing whatsoever wrong with that. Live your lives and chill.

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    2. Im similar to you, I think. I think people can live unorthodox lifestyles, wear odd clothing, have in-groups without the state getting involved. What i'm not sure about is the idea they are literally changing rather than simply being a man or women with their own unorthodox personality.

      We've de gendered everything from toys, jobs and colours but we seem hellbent on gendering identity and personality. It's very odd to me. I don't think it's progressive either. People have their own personality, that's theirs but they are men or women by fact. None of these things are offensive.

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  12. Tory numpties want the obnoxious crook Johnston back as leader. SNP numpties want the obnoxious crook Sturgeon back as leader. Two sides of the same coin.

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    1. I certainly wouldn’t want Sturgeon back as leader, but we could certainly do with somebody with her leadership qualities.

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    2. Nicola Sturgeon is the only Scottish FM Westminster has ever feared, and it's strange that the members of Alba who claim to want independence seem to hate her more than the people at Westminster who cause all the trouble

      She was and is the best hope for independence we've ever had
      Why do you think she's been forced out of office and can't even leave her home on her own

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    3. Anon @2:03

      Is it because she spent the 'ring fenced' indyref2 money on a fancy motorhome for her and Peter? Or because she tried to tell us a double rapist was a woman and should be in a woman's prison? Or because she organised a plot to jail her predecessor with false rape allegations?

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    4. Exactly!

      I don't think the UK political sphere in London understood her any better than we did. For a while she seemed legit—I gladly supported her—and for that while our chances were strong for a referendum.

      But we are not independent, are we? Because she betrayed all of us. No amount of nostalgia can compensate for that.

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    5. Anon at 2.03pm - " forced out of office" - who forced her out of office? How did they do that? Why didn't they do that years earlier. It certainly wisnae me who forced her out of office because if I had that power I would have got rid of her in Feb 2020 the month after she gave her surrender speech. You are an example of people who will think up anything to excuse Sturgeon's wrongdoings. She faked it for 9 years about holding Indyref2, raised money on the back of it and then ran away. Where is the missing ring fenced £600k? Where is the missing husband who lied about membership numbers and other things? Can he not take her out for meals? Westminster scared of her🤣🤣🤣🤣- aye right - please Theresa can I have a sec 30 - no pissof - please Boris can I have a sec 30 - no pissof - please pretty please Boris for the second time can I have a sec 30 - pissof again Sturgeon. Scared of Sturgeon - Westminster's very own Scottish poodle.

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    6. Anon at 12.20pm - " leadership qualities" - aye she led us up and down and back up and down and back up and down the Indyref2 hill. Her great communication skills helped her to con all of us into thinking she was genuine. Her ability to convincingly lie was unmatched by any other Scottish politician. Her hold on independence supporters allowed her to continually break her promises and they would turn a blind eye. These leadership qualities I would happily do without.

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    7. Independence for Scotland, I clearly stated I wouldn’t want Sturgeon back. You know what I meant by leadership qualities! Wouldn’t you want somebody with her communication skills, somebody that could speak like her. I wasn’t defending her, all I was saying was she came across well as a leader. That is not in question at all.

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    8. In retrospect, it would have been better if she'd been shite. Like Swinney in his day, she would soon have been replaced.

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    9. Anon at 2.45pm - I know you weren't defending her. My point is leadership skills allied with the wrong motives are not a good thing. Blair and Sturgeon both came across well but were phonies. So hopefully that is now clearer than my original post.

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    10. Correction -anon at 2.54pm not 2.45pm oops.

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    11. Anon at 2.57pm - good point. Now there was someone ( Swinney) with zero leadership skills but very handy with his black felt pen redacting many sentences and pages of documents. Redacting is a very handy tool for politicians up to no good and the more they redact the more you know they have been bad. Politicians always give out reasons for the redactions but you are unable to verify if the redactions are for the reasons they say. A very handy tool indeed and Swinney did Sturgeon's bidding time and time again. A very loyal Redactor Man

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  13. I don't think he has been a professor for 8 years. He may use the title 'emeritus' if he was granted that, or 'Dr' if he has a PhD, but he is not entitled 'professor'. If anything, he seems to be a sad relection of the quality of staff, and therefore the quality of degree you will get at the U. of the W. of Scotland. He published sociological papers on blogs (FFS hardly anyone reads blogs anymore), and still seems to bother running the rabidly pro-Scottish government blog 'talking up scotland'.

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    1. I used to regard his papers on media bias in Scotland as authoritative and credible, but some of what appears on his blog these days is so amateurish (particularly the opinion poll analysis) that I wonder if I was being naive. Two different disciplines, I know, but even so.

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    2. Why is it Alba seem to hate all the people who are on the side of independence yet don't even mention any dislike of Labour or Tories or Lib Dems at all?

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    3. Because no Tory, Lib or Labour voters are remotely interested in a hardcore party of independence?

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    4. 2.06: What does Alba have to do with the comments you're replying to?

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    5. When you have an axe to grind, everything looks like a grindstone.

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  14. Tory MP wants a referendum on the European Convention on Human Rights. This is how it started with the EU. If the Tories are in power in the future then once again England will probably vote to remove us and Scots will be powerless to stop it. Scotland the Colony. You know it's true. We need people in charge of the SNP/Alba/ISP willing to embrace this fact and get us out of this unacceptable situation. An end to getting shafted by England and protection from abroad getting removed.

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    1. Something I expected from Johnson, because he's cocky, was a referendum on Scottish Independence: held exclusively in England. No, not for leeching Jocks abroad like Michael Gove to vote in, but the English themselves. What better way to get it right up the Scots than to let the English determine their independence! Surely they'd vote an Authoritative and Coloniser's No.

      Turned out, of course, he wasn't nearly as effective as expected. Too much like Donald, that Bozza.

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  15. SURPRISE SURPRISE

    I've not had much to say about the WGD numpties for a while. Mainly because there are plenty of them and a Britnat numpty turning up on SGP. So what a surprise when I read two WGD numpties posting what I've been saying about not wanting to be represented in the House of Horrors that is Westminster.

    Dr Jim says:- " And that is why no more elected representatives from Scotland should occupy seats in the " English" parliament."

    Capella says:- " I think it's time the Scottish representatives walked out and set up a Scottish convention to plan the exit. "

    Oh well they have clearly been reading my comments on SGP.😀 Now they just have to wean themselves away from being nicophants.

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    1. More likely Keith Brown's article in the National did it, but they didn't pay attention to the bit where he said FOOLED YOU!

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    2. Thought I would get that post in before Yousaf designates my posts as Hate Crimes against WGD numpties. Asking for a friend is it a Hate Crime to hate Brussels sprouts. Personally, I love sprouts with a bit of butter but WGD numpties not so much. It's a bit hard for the SNP to complain about whatever authoritarian stuff Gove comes up with tomorrow when Yousaf beat them to it with his Hate Crime Bill.

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