Thursday, March 21, 2024

Tories on the brink of being pushed into third place by Reform UK, says bombshell YouGov poll

Apologies for the radio silence over the last few days, but rest assured I haven't been completely idle - I was working on my iScot column for next month, and there was also Alba committee stuff going on.  Today brings word of an extraordinary opinion poll that must make the Tories wonder why they even bothered to replace Liz Truss...

GB-wide voting intentions (YouGov / The Times, 19th-20th March 2024):

Labour 44% (-)
Conservatives 19% (-1)
Reform UK 15% (+1)
Liberal Democrats 9% (-)
Greens 8% (+1)
SNP 3% (-)
Plaid Cymru 1% (-)

Scottish subsample: SNP 35%, Labour 33%, Conservatives 16%, Greens 6%, Liberal Democrats 6%, Reform UK 4%

In other circumstances we might look at these numbers and think it's still fanciful that Reform UK could overtake the Tories - much more likely, we would think, that the more traditional party will re-establish itself when polling day comes into view.  But what makes this situation different is the chance of a Nigel Farage comeback.  If Reform UK are only four points behind the Tories without him as leader, where will they be if and when he's back in harness? This is a man, remember, who has led two different political parties to outright first place in two successive European elections, and also took UKIP to third place in the popular vote in the 2015 general election.

But whether second place in the popular vote for Reform UK would make the election more interesting or less interesting is difficult to say, because first-past-the-post ensures that the threshold for the party to win more than a tiny handful of seats is extremely high.  So in terms of seats, the election could simply be turned into an even more boring triumphal procession for Starmer.

And there's essentially no chance of Reform UK using second place in the polls (if they get there) as a springboard for greater things.  We know from the pre-Brexit period that their natural ceiling of support is somewhere in the mid-20s - that was enough to get them into the outright lead in a handful of polls in 2019, but only because the division of support between other parties was so unusual at the time (incredibly, the Liberal Democrats were in second place in some of those polls).  25% in the polls right now would still leave them light-years behind Labour.  

An achievement they might notch up, though, is to become the indirect cause of Rishi Sunak's demise. Tory MPs who are worried about making themselves look ridiculous by installing a fourth Prime Minister within a single parliament (presumably it would be Penny Mordaunt, Tom Tugendhat or perhaps Kemi Badenoch) would start to think they have nothing left to lose if third place is staring them in the face.

There's only limited comfort for the SNP in their narrow lead in the Scottish subsample, because Labour have led other recent YouGov subsamples and thus an average of the last few would show the SNP trailing.

38 comments:

  1. Encouraging to see SNP ahead of Labour in poll after poll: Humza's increasingly sure-footed leadership now cutting through to the voters!

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    1. Are you saying he uses his feet when he's being sure-of-touch?

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    2. It’s certainly encouraging that support for the SNP appears to at least have stabilised.

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    3. Has he stabilised it with his FOOT?

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    4. Sorry to disagree James but I think Anonymous' comments are increasingly sure footed and cutting through to your readership. It's certainly encouraging that so many 'other' anonymous posters appear to want to offer their support to him too.😂😂😂

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    5. Humza has certainly had enough practice putting his foot in his mouth!

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  2. Bit of a blow for Alba to be somewhere below Reform UK in the Scottish sub-sample.

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    1. It might be a blow if it had actually happened, but I can't see any sign that YouGov offered Alba as an option.

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    2. Rather a blow in itself.

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    3. Why? Does YouGov matter more than the voters?

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    4. I meant because they didn't think to include them as a named option. they would put Brexit and Reform when none had/have elected positions.

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    5. So your answer is "yes, YouGov matters more". Glad we've cleared that up.

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  3. With all this Supreme sure footedness stuff of Yousaf I would like to ask the robot if we can look forward to seeing Yousaf on Celebrity Dancing on Ice because he has been on thin ice ever since the SNP numpties voted him as leader.

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    1. No matter how hard you try, the SNP will still win by a country mile and who'll be the numptie then

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    2. Anon at 1.39am - you will be the numpty just as you are now.

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  4. With the SNP making an arse of the GE so far, and Sunak's Tories and Starmer's Tories failing to capitalise on that, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that Reform UK who seem so be getting organised in Scotland with better known and perhaps more reputable people than UKIP, could increase their share of the vote quite quickly.

    Ouch. I think I'll emigrate.

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    1. The SNP leadership had approached the GE with a skilled touch. The party has turned the corned under Humza.

      Much done, much yet to do.

      We need to re-elect the SNP to move Scotland forward.

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    2. Try calculating the square root of minus one.

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    3. Too trivially obvious to ask, there, indyref!

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  5. Bizarre as it sounds if the Scots had as much balls as the Brexit, Reform voting English we'd be independent by now.
    I'm a bleeding heart, pro EU lefty myself but even after being labelled racists and little Englanders its incredible to see Reform take shape. For all our tough exterior we actually bought for decades the idea we were a basket case.

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    1. That didn't require balls, just ignorance and gullibility.

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  6. I'm struggling to clarify this impression but I'm wondering just how much British state intervention is managing to manipulate the positions of mainstream political parties.
    Such 'security operations' have always existed I guess but the condition of the Labour Party under Starmer, the roles of Sturgeon and Robertson et al, and the media fawning around the emergency reserve of Reform UK seem to be pretty much what the 'spook' wing of the permanent establishment WOULD do if direct security intervention in politics had been substantially upped in recent times.
    It may simply be that the depth of my disillusionment with so called 'progressive' political parties, fifty four years of voting Labour while in England and SNP while in Scotland, has weakened my judgement but it's one of those nagging ideas that, although difficult to prove, just seems to fit.

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    1. As a counterargument the SNP are strong so the spooks are not getting a weakened SNP.

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  7. That was quick "Anonymous" no flies on your algorithm eh ?

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  8. In the spirit of Independent Green Voice, what could be done is for Indy supporters to form the Former UK Party and register one or two shorter alternates. That could disrupt the GE a bit while sending a message.

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    1. A bit too immature.

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    2. That doesn't make you a bad person.

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  9. The English sub-sample has ReformUK trailing the Tories by 2% and it’s not a small sub-sample (1,756).

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  10. From the SNP main page:

    "Neither Labour nor the Tories have the will to end this Westminster cost-of-living crisis. Only a vote for the SNP will send them a message.

    Neither Labour nor the Tories have the will to end this Westminster cost-of-living crisis. Only a vote for the SNP will send them a message.

    Only a vote for the SNP will send them a message.

    Only a vote for the SNP will send them a message.

    Only a vote for the SNP will send them a message.
    "

    Nope. Me neither.

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  11. The Scottish sub sample suggests maybe, just maybe, the SNP have turned a corner. Hopefully, come the GE, they surprise on the upside, and the doom mongers are proven to be wide of the mark.
    I’m sure a better than expected GE for the party would come as a major boost, and with hopefully a renewed focus on independence we can really look forward to the next Holyrood election with confidence.

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    1. The SNP have turned some corner in that they have lost ~10% of their voters since the last GE, and ~20% of their voters since the last Holyrood election (which is similar corner-turning to the Tories).

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    2. Anon at 9.05 am - what does a renewed focus on independence actually mean? and why did a party created for the sole objective of Scottish independence lose its focus?

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    3. I wouldn’t say it lost its focus.
      At the end of the day the SNP are the only party that can take us to independence realistically. If everybody gets behind one party, support can be driven up.

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    4. Excellent post. Agree 100%.

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  12. Somebody somewhere has a sense of humour when they determined that after three years sitting in the sin bin Yousaf's Hate Crime law is going live on April Fools day. Trouble is that it won't be a joke for the people targeted using this law and it won't be all the people spewing out hate at football grounds across Scotland who will be targeted.

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    1. Humza has been a consistent opponent of hate. He deserves praise for this.

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  13. BritIsher/ Englander Nazi Party I mean Reform UK goes from stregth to strength. I am not surprised as less than 75% of English population now ID as non White according to last UK census.

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