Wednesday, January 10, 2024

POLL FUNDRAISER REMINDER: The case for a new Scot Goes Pop opinion poll at the start of general election year, and how it might help make a difference


Towards the end of last year I launched a fundraiser in the hope of commissioning a new Scot Goes Pop opinion poll on independence around about now, to mark the start of general election year.  I'm not able to do it yet, because the fundraiser still has a long distance to travel - and that's largely my own fault because I wasn't blogging much before Christmas.  However I think now is the time for a big push, because it would be good to get the poll done at some point in January, or at latest in February.

Obviously the thing about any crowdfunded poll is that it's up to those who might crowdfund it to decide whether the project is actually worthy of the funds.  However, one thing I would say is that this general election will be used by the Labour Party in particular to try to kill off independence for many years to come - and yet we're in the curious situation that independence support seems to be holding up strongly even as Labour rebound.  It's therefore in the interests of Labour and the unionists that there be as few independence polls as possible that remind the public and the media of the fundamental truth that any rejection of the SNP will not be a rejection of independence itself.

The one firm that does poll regularly on independence tends to tuck those results away, to play down the resilience of the Yes vote by making results with Don't Knows excluded (which really ought to be the headline numbers) very hard to find, and by coupling the main independence question with rather eccentric unionist-oriented supplementaries about whether Alister Jack is correct that there should be sustained 60% Yes support before an independence referendum can be held.  A poll commissioned by a pro-indy client like Scot Goes Pop will not be like that - we'll be much more interested in discovering, for example, whether voters agree it is democratically legitimate for Scotland to use a scheduled election to make a decision on independence, given London's closing off of the referendum option.

There's also a window of opportunity here to see if polling can make a telling difference by holding up an unflattering mirror to all pro-independence parties as they arguably make strategic election decisions based on petty partisan interests rather than on the interests of the independence movement or of the nation.  I'm not singling out the SNP here, because there's a strong argument that all of the three largest Yes parties are culpable on this.  However it would certainly be of interest to know, for example, the public's reaction (and more to the point Yes voters' reaction) to the SNP's decision to stand directly against the popular sitting pro-indy MP Angus MacNeil in the Western Isles.  We can also test opinion on the intention of the Greens and Alba to intervene in numerous SNP-held seats.

We can use the poll to road-test ideas that might stop the Labour juggernaut and see how effective they might be.  Would the SNP become a more attractive proposition with a unity Cabinet featuring Kate Forbes as Deputy First Minister?  Would a more straightforward commitment to use an election win to negotiate independence help to galvanise Yes support behind the SNP?

If you'd like to help make this poll happen, you can click here to go to the new GoFundMe fundraiser page.

However, the ideal way to donate is directly via Paypal, because the funds are usually transferred instantly and depending on the menu option you select, fees can be completely eliminated.  My Paypal email address is jkellysta@yahoo.co.uk

You can simply send your donation via Paypal with a note saying "for the poll".

137 comments:

  1. If the SNP go ahead and stand a candidate against Angus MacNeil in the Western Isles it’ll be absolutely crazy.
    It also makes no sense for Alba and the Greens to contest seats held by the SNP.
    I make no apologies for repeating, if this crazy situation materialises it’ll be music to the ears of unionists, and has the potential to seriously damage the independence cause.
    Unionists can’t wait for this upcoming GE to see how many seats the SNP lose and how low the nationalist share of the vote is. Make no mistake, if this election turns out really badly, unionists will seize on it and claim independence is dead, even though it won’t be. It will nevertheless be very difficult to recover.
    We need to use our heads and make sure the worst case scenario dosen’t materialise.

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    1. I very much doubt that Alba will contest every seat, given how notoriously difficult and expensive it is for a new party to gain any traction under first past the post (although I believe that is the intention of their Green 'partners').

      Obviously, Alba will attempt to defend the two seats they have (almost certainly to no avail) but otherwise I think they'll target a few of the more egregious grifters in hopes of purging the SNP of their influence. As I've said before, a suitably chastened SNP shorn of some of its biggest gravy slurpers might be the start of a way back to common sense policies with independence at the forefront.

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    2. TartanTam says:- " It will nevertheless be very difficult to recover. " now now TartanTam that sounds very defeatist. Best get some more SNP happy pills.
      What does it matter if unionists claim independence is dead - they say that all the time. You really need to stop jumping to the tune of the unionists and be more positive and be of an independent mind - Not someone who is scared what a few Britnat politicians spout. The only thing you are wanting to protect is the jobs of some MPs and the money the SNP get from Westminster. I am sure you realise that the English will always be in charge in Westminster - so whether it is 6 SNP MPs or 56 SNP MPs it only really reduces the money the SNP get from Westminster. It will never be a good thing for a party wanting independence to be financially reliant on the coloniser. It will force people like you to stump up more money for the SNP - will it not - which is also a good thing. In summary good can come out of the SNP losing a lot of seats. There you are Tam some positivity for you.

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    3. Ok IFS, let’s say you and thousands of others either don’t vote, spoil ballot papers, vote for Alba, etc, and it’s disaster for the SNP. That’s what you’re basically wanting and it won’t be a bad thing you claim. Fair enough, I’m not arguing any more on that.
      But what about, in a couple of years time in the lead up to the Holyrood election, if there’s no improvement within the SNP, or very little, what do you propose then? Same voting tactics from independence supporters? You end up with a Labour government in Holyrood as well as Westminster, with no doubt the nationalist share of the vote certainly below, maybe even we’ll below 50%.
      What then?? I suggest we’ll be staring into the abyss with very little prospect of independence for a very long time.

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    4. TartanTam - for goodness sake you'll be crying next. " we'll be staring into the abyss with very little prospect of independence for a very long time. " Very very negative and defeatist of you Tam but it is upsetting when the people you put your hopes in betray you.

      Now WT quite rightly asks why did they ditch the de facto approach - they ditched it because they were scared of getting a yes vote - that's right they are scared of actually getting a winning vote. Any person truly wanting to win the de facto vote would use Holyrood not Westminster but Sturgeon insisted on punting a Westminster de facto where the voting franchise is by far poorer than Holyrood and various other reasons why Holyrood is better. They then binned a Westminster one anyway. They don't want independence all the evidence of their actions tells you that. You do not go on what a politician says but what their actions tell you. Politicians lie Tam in you case hadn't noticed. Sturgeon lied all the way through her tenure as FM and is no different to most of them. Yousaf was and is Sturgeon's boy. He actually said in his first hustings he was the continuity candidate.
      The abyss has been there for many a year Tam you chose to avert your gaze.

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    5. WT and IFS, I’m sorry to say, and I know both of you will disagree with me, but I don’t think there’s any realistic chance of independence ever being achieved by a de facto referendum. The UK government would never accept it and Im quite sure the wider global community wouldn’t even recognise it.
      The only way independence can ever happen is through a proper referendum, and the only way the UK government, Labour or Tory, is going to give the go ahead is if polls indicate support for independence consistency above 50% for a sustained period.
      Whether we like it or not we need to accept this, and people threatening to abstain or spoil voting papers is detrimental to the cause and plays into the hands of the unionists.
      We need unity to have any chance of succeeding. One pro Independence Party fighting for independence. Whether that’s the SNP or maybe Alba at some point in the future I really don’t know, but at the moment with 3 pro independence parties threatening to contest the same seats I’m afraid we’re heading for disaster.
      IFS, I also note you never addressed my question on what you propose independence voters do at the Holyrood election, in the event of no significant improvement within the SNP!

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    6. So then you still have to ask the question - why don't they go for a defacto plebiscite election - seeing as how no one will recognise it? What you are saying here is that we need permission from London to get free, what's their incentive?

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    7. Completely agree we need unity but remember it was Sturgeon's mob who wouldn't allow salmond to rejoin the party after being cleared in court. If you recall he left the party to protect it from reputational damage once the allegations were made. It's the SNP who have created disunity. One other thing, ask yourself why did the SNP stop Martin Keatings and ruin the man from doing the section 30 test?

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    8. WT at 11.00am - the SNP even removed Salmond from their history section even though he hadn't been charged with anything at the time never mind convicted of anything. They changed the write up on the 2014 referendum to say it was Sturgeon who was in charge - no mention of Salmond. This was real Soviet Union stuff - officially make people disappear even though every knows they were there. A real eye opener as to what the SNP had become.

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  2. TartanTam - speaks " a proper referendum" " above 50% for a sustained period" and shows us why we will never be independent with people like him and the SNP about. A proper referendum is one controlled by the Britnats according to Tam and we only get one when the Britnats say we can according to Tam. Grovelling to the Britnats will not only never get us independence but it is truly pathetic. Decolonise your mind Tam assuming you are an independence supporter and in fact even if you are a Britnat.
    James, I'm beginning to think you have got yourself a genuine sneaky Britnat here in Tam or it's Pension Pete in disguise trying desperately to save his seat. Mind you Wishart was promoting a de facto referendum as the way forward in his blog despite the fact that for years he slagged off people who wanted this approach using the same argument Tam used. The SNP are a bloody shambles. They had one job - get Scotland free of Westminster - they failed but gave us a whole list of shit policies that wasted money - the only question now is was it deliberate or are they just useless.

    Jury free trials - that's what the SNP want - a basic freedom chucked in the bin. We need to chuck the SNP in the bin as Sturgeon's gang will cling on to power for as long as they can because if they don't they know their misdeeds will catch up with them.

    Finally, Tam , yes was above 50% for a sustained period. It's irrelevant when the SNP are in charge. They will do nothing and anyway Britnats will just raise the bar and say 60% for a sustained period and then 65 %. If you really are an independence supporter then your approach is pathetic and panders to the Britnats who will NEVER willingly let Scotland go because Scotland is their colony.

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    1. IFS, I’m sticking to my comments and firmly believe they’re valid points, points which I know a lot of SNP supporters and supporters of independence in general agree with.
      It’s disappointing you can’t have a proper debate, and instead choose to go off on one of your ridiculous rants.
      I repeat, you still haven’t even addressed my question on what tactics you propose for the Holyrood election, should there be no significant improvement within the SNP?
      I’m really beginning to think I’m wasting my time with you, as you don’t seem capable of seeing common sense.

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    2. Tam, I can't speak for IFS but personally I think your question is academic. The support base of the SNP is crumbling and will continue to do so prior to the next Holyrood vote. They might still be the largest party but the majorities enjoyed by Sturgeon will be a thing of the past. It's over for the SNP and I know you don't want to hear that but you'll have an even bigger shock when the truth about Sturgeon and her part in the Salmond affair becomes public. Added to that you have the mystery of the missing indyref2 money and the rumours about her private life. Believe me, Nicola was not the Messiah, just a very naughty girlπŸ˜„

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    3. TartanTam - 🀣🀣🀣🀣🀣🀣Why should I address your question about a Holyrood election in 2026 when I have posted numerous times I support a Holyrood de facto referendum right now. You on the other hand never explain your numerous assertions despite my many requests.
      Tell me why the SNP losing MP seats is a disaster for independence when the SNP have no plan for independence and their politicians are assuming devolution will be here to stay. Tell me what any of these MPs have ever or will ever do to gain independence while being paid by Westminster large expensessalaries to sit there on their backsides and do nothing.

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    4. Felix, you paint a grim picture.
      And IFS accuses me of being negative and defeatist!

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    5. IFS, I stated above that I don’t think there’s any chance of independence ever being achieved through a de facto referendum, whether at a Westminster or Holyrood election. It’s just not going to happen.

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    6. Tam: I hear you and I'll state that I don't see any chance of a Section 30 coming from Westminster while independence polls anywhere near a majority. It's just not going to happen, either.

      That's the bind we are in. When Nicola's strikingly weak "supreme" court case failed in 2022, and they blocked us from even asking ourselves, it became all too clear that we are stuck.

      Something has to give. But it will only give if it is *pushed*.

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  3. James, I have been meaning to comment on your article but I keep getting distracted by the poster TartanTam. You make an excellent case for a poll at this point in time and raise some specific questions that are very interesting. Personally, I would be interested in a question on an unscheduled Holyrood de facto referendum in addition to a general de facto ref question. Although I do regularly contribute to your general fundraising but not polls in this instance your article has convinced me to contribute a modest sum to your poll raising fund. I hope you meet your target.

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  4. I gave a wee answer to your question further up. But I have another for you - why woul London give a referendum at plus 50pc? That's a fantasy.

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    1. Surely if we got to a point where every poll showed support for independence well above 50% for a sustained period the UK government would have no choice but to cave in. The pressure on them would be too great.
      The problem is we need to get to that point.

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    2. Tam: "The pressure on them would be too great"? Like the pressure on Israel to stop bombing Gaza? Like the pressure on Russia to get out of Ukraine?

      No Brit Prime Minister can afford to lose Scotland. We contribute far too much to UK finances (you're a nationalist, you know GERS is colonial propaganda), especially in energy assets which are absolutely vital to them now they're so deep in debt.

      Just as important: the English public would be outraged to lose a substantial chunk of "their country." The opposition party, presumably the Tories for the next few elections, would have an absolute field day with the government's treasonous weakness!

      For London to "allow" Scotland to have a referendum, they must either feel it's a doddle (like they did in 2014, but will never again!) or it's a fait accompli as Scotland is already gone, like all the lands of Empire. They must be forced. Mere polling and shouty fatty nationalists in parliament won't achieve that in itself. They need trapped in checkmate.

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    3. "Surely if we got to a point where every poll showed support for independence well above 50% for a sustained period the UK government would have no choice but to cave in."

      That's already happened in 2020-21. It leads to nothing if the SNP shy away from holding a vote.

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  5. Goerge Orwell said:- A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims but accomplices.

    I clearly posted on SGP on numerous occasions that in May 2021 I would vote for the SNP in the constituency vote and Alba in the Regional list vote. I also said I hoped that when the SNP numpties see that Sturgeon will do nothing about independence things will change. I also said if there was no change then I would not be voting SNP again. There has been no change - if anything things are a lot worse.

    I was an accomplice back in 2021 I refuse to be an accomplice again. If others want to be accomplices then that is their choice. But please do not plead ignorance - you know what you are voting for - exactly what Orwell described - corrupt, imposters, thieves and traitors.

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  6. I have now sadly come to the conclusion that TartanTam is not here to debate but is a troll.

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    1. I object to that accusation. Believe me I have better things to do with my time.
      I’m on here trying to have a civilised debate and make valid points.
      Who do you think you are IFS?
      Sadly there are some on here who’ve allowed themselves to be brainwashed by your nonsense.

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    2. Why does independence for Scotland think somebody’s a troll just because the don’t agree wi his views? This bloke seemed to be making reasonable points

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    3. Anonymous at 12.22pm - where exactly do I say he is troll because he doesn't agree with my views. If that was the case I would be saying a lot of people are trolls on here including you.

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    4. I agree. Just as I don't like IFS being told he's a unionist, I don't like Tam being called one either. James opened up the comments to allow a discussion and I think we should be able to disagree without making assumptions about each other's motives. Tam's an idealist who still believes in the SNP. It's a road we all started down at one time only some of us have spotted the roadblocks earlier than others. (By the way,Tam, I haven't been brainwashed by anybody, least of all Nicola Sturgeon if you get my drift πŸ˜‰).

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    5. It just seemed that’s the case

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    6. Felix - I don't try to brainwash anyone (as if I had that power). I post my opinions, analysis and conclusions. People can take it or leave it. I don't go around accusing people of being trolls often or easily but Tam just keeps repeating the same guff - never expands or answers any questions and ignores what you post e.g. I told him there had been a sustained period of >50% - did he ask me for more details on this - no - he just stated once again the Unionist line that there had to be a sustained majority even though I posted there already had been. If the Britnats decide to make it a de facto on Holyrood/ devolution continuing do you think they will say it disnae count and we need to have a sustained majority for this beforehand. So I won't be engaging with him again.

      I didn't ask anyone else to agree with my conclusion or stop engaging with Tam. I believe in free speech.

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    7. Aye I know. I've always stuck up for you when people say you're a unionist but to suggest that shows you're brainwashing people or leading some sort of cult on here is ridiculous. I mean this isnae the Dughoose and you're not Nicola Sturgeon for God's sake!!!πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

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    8. Turn on the BBC: that's what (((brainwashing))) looks like.

      Open up the National: they wish!

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  7. The Polis Investigate Two Previously Undeclared Loans By Murrell To The SNP

    On WGD the SNP numpty DrJim states that he and many others have given money/loans to their own business and there is nothing wrong with that. He quite clearly expresses the view that Murrell has done nothing wrong based on this analysis.

    Two things so clearly wrong with this analysis.

    1. The SNP is a political party and rules are in place for them to follow. Jimbo seems to also think that because Britnat parties break the rules it is ok for the SNP to do so as well. It's the same type of analysis that to me is unacceptable that suggests because the Britnats steal extremely large sums of money it disnae matter if SNP steal small sums of money. Corruption large or small is corruption.

    2. The SNP, unlike in Dr Jim's analysis, is not a private business owned by Murrell. It may at times have seemed that way admittedly when SNP numpties allowed a married couple to take the two top jobs in the SNP and somebody was allowed to buy a motor home using SNP ( ? ) money and park it on Murrells mother's driveway for two years.

    In summary, I don't think Dr Jim is daft so he is deliberately lying and misrepresenting the situation to try and protect Murrell and the SNP. That other SNP/WGD numpty Scottish Skier has already admitted in the past he actively lies to protect the SNP and sees nothing wrong in doing so. It appears Dr Jim is the same. Not one WGD numpty challenges this analysis of DrJim. Accomplices to possible corruption.

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    1. Skier will be one to watch come the slaughter in the general…

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    2. Here we go again from Scottish Skier - lying to protect the SNP and Sturgeon. Not the first time he has punted these lies on WGD and Kavanagh knows they are lies. Accomplices.

      Skier says:- " Just like they talked about the 'Scottish Government ' going after Salmond as if this was the SNP, when it was the English civil service in Scotland under 'London's ' man in the Northern Colony Leslie Evans trying to take him out."

      Yes it was Evans no doubt about it but it was plenty more people and that included Sturgeon and her pals and her husband Murrell. There was a major input to this persecution by the SNP. Skier avoids mentioning how Sturgeon reappointed Evans and gave her a big pay rise. Others involved also got their pay rise from Sturgeon as compensation for their lowlife contributions. The self confessed liar Skier always willing to try and cover up any misdeeds by the SNP - even trying to send an innocent man to prison. The scumbag Skier also likes to throw in the odd he was innocent but lecherous etc. Taking his cue from Sturgeon who when FM actually questioned the decision of a jury on TV without even saying there was any new evidence. Seemingly she knew better than any jury. These are the people who want to remove juries - be scared very scared.

      Ps I see Skier has now used the word colony - must read SGP as well.

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  8. The value of a de facto referendum is that it provides the possibility of a vote being held in a legal election that states the majority of the population want Scotland to be an independent country again. No referendum via a sec 30 or a de facto in itself with a majority vote yes vote will miraculously deliver an independent Scotland. It is only a starting point.
    But the SNP do not want us to get even past first base.
    Scotland is treated as a colony - a sec 30 will never happen again. Sturgeon/Blackford etc knew this and lied to independence supporters for years with their guff - Westminster will bow to Scotland's democratic wishes - the pressure will be too great they said and some unbelievably still parrot this line. Nobody believes you.

    To move on from a yes vote you need the right stuff in your political leaders. Who thinks Sturgeon's pals have the right stuff? Any meetings with Westminster would start with them asking what their preferred pronouns are.

    If SNP numpties keep denying reality nothing will change. They will die in a colony. Personally, I don't like living in a colony.

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    1. Agree 100%. This is our situation. It will take quite some accomplishment to get out of it.

      Fundamentally, Scots must want independence and Scotland must have a leader with the determination to do what it takes to get it. Action speaks. It's who you are and what you do with it.

      Nicola wasn't up for the fight. That undermined her from the start. She would have us waiting for eternity. Her hangers on got wind of this and gorged themselves at our expense. What remains is the sorry blockage of their creation.

      Scotland still needs a leader and a vanguard for independence. The dream that will not die, and leads the sorry remains of the SNP ever further in the polls. We still want it, we still need it, not just talk and hollow promises.

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    2. To say the SNP don’t want independence is totally wrong. Of course they want independence, but there probably needs to be significant change within the party.
      It’s obviously too late for a change of leader now before the election, bit if the election turns out as bad as is being predicted then a chance of leader seriously needs to be looked at.

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    3. Really hope Humza quits after the general election, and the whole Sturgeon faction goes with him.

      Anyone know the SNP rulebook if they don't?

      I remember all the talk in the Guardian etc. about Labour's rules when they wanted to oust Corbyn. He was safe as long as he had a majority of support on the NEC, whatever the MPs or membership thought. Similar rules for the SNP?

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    4. I agree hopefully he resigns, as it’s difficult to see a significant improvement before the ge. Who do we get in Humzas place though ,that’s the problem, there’s nobody obvious.

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    5. Kate Forbes is the obvious name to come to mind. If she's as nimble as she is ambitious, she could turn around the ship. The Sturgeon faction's pure hatred for her surely counts for something! If anyone could throw them all off the boat, as they deserve, it's Kate.

      She's also got a bit of star power, as James pointed out back in the leadership contest, which really helps as we've seen. The media reacted very positively to Nicola when she succeeded Salmond. We need a transition like that, not Humza's apologetic shadow.

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    6. It’s ridiculous to suggest the SNP don’t want independence.

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    7. Anonymous at 4.13pm - "Of course they want independence" - why, because you say so or because they say so. Politicians lie - their actions tell the truth. Have you got a secret 11 point plan up your sleeve or stuck in a bottom drawer somewhere or do you still believe in the secret plan nonsense? Any evidence or substance behind that assertion? I'm all ears. Sturgeon's gang have lied so much why should anyone believe them.

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    8. Anonymous at 6.14pm - did you watch the leadership hustings? The only person who was interested in Scottish independence was Regan and she has now left the SNP. The membership voted for Yousaf who had no plan, no intention to develop a plan and no interest in independence. He was very keen to waste money on GRR court cases though. What is ridiculous is that anyone still thinks Sturgeon's gang is the least bit interested in Scottish independence.

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    9. Men turning into women! Intellectual manure for the feeble minded and my god it has found fertile ground among the assorted purple haired loons currently dominating SNP decision making. Until the party is free of their baleful influence, which is Sturgeon's only real legacy, the SNP will continue on its death spiral regardless of who's in charge.

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  9. Tartan Tam I will try to answer points you raise - the problem is you use the word 'surely' - surely is the word that means 'I assume' and therein lies the problem with your analysis, it might as well be 'I hope' or 'I wish' ask yourself what is their incentive? Why give a referendum when polls suggest you might lose? You say we would never get independence from a defacto plebiscite election - an election policed under the normal election rules so it is 'water tight' - so why do you thnk that a series of opinion polls would be respected more than a plebiscite election when they are after all just samples of a population? That doesn't make sense.

    Your post at 9.38 about voting tactics for Holyrood if the SNP are still bombing and pushing pish policies. have you forgotten what elections are for? It's not just about tactics or winning. If for example the SNP decided that girls shouldn't be allowed edcuation after the age of six would you still vote for them hoping to get independence? Surely - surely you wouldn't? For many people at the moment policies as guffy as that have already been proposed by them. Some of them are dangerous such as - as IFS mentions - getting rid of jury trials. It'll start with sex crimes but then you have to ask why should murder be tried by jury if sex doesn't and so on - its called authoritarianism. The whole point in juries is that we are tried by our peers by people who live lives similar to us. It was brought in because toffs were convicting people for the likes of stealing bread (You'd likely get eight years for that under the SNP). So what "independence voters (should) do at the Holyrood election, in the event of no significant improvement within the SNP, is vote for the party that can improve people's lives - seeing as how the SNP is not going to deliver independence - OR spoil their ballot papers. You think that's a waste but in an election where say 10pc of the population spoilt their ballot papers that would be a very pointed indication of a protest vote. It would also be pretty easy to see which party the protest was aimed at, although the SNP would probably just say it was a glitch or they'll think about it, the usual guff.

    But you haven't answered my question "why did the SNP stop Martin Keatings - and ruin the man - from doing the section 30 test> The one they did themselves and made a pigs ear of years later?

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    1. Aye. The botched court case and its subsequently colonialist ruling were the moment that burst my faith in the Nicola Sturgeon Party forever. What was all that about? Why didn't they even try as hard as they could? Who was being played here? Oh… right… it's us.

      The "supreme" court was just doing its job: a British institution keeping Scotland British. But the flawed case the SNP brought there? That was a direct affront to the democratic rights and the people of Scotland.

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  10. I see IFS has stopped engaging with me, maybe he can’t handle the truth, I don’t know. It appears to me that some on here are influenced by this arrogant, obnoxious individual.
    I have tried to post genuine, valid points which I feel strongly about. However few seem to grasp the dangers we face if we continue on the current path. We need unity and one pro Independence Party fighting for independence. I’m obviously wasting my time here and will leave it at that.
    I’ll leave you all to continue reading the rantings of IFS. Good luck and hopefully we achieve our ultimate goal before too long.

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    1. Bit pathetic Tam, maybe it's you who can't handle the truth. I've enjoyed crossing swords with you even although you think I'm brainwashed and unable to grasp the intellectual rigour of your argument.πŸ˜‰

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    2. Only a bit pathetic.πŸ˜€ Intellectual rigour 🀣🀣🀣 - you can be very funny at times Felix. So Tam decides to leave because I'm not engaging with him. Starting to think I had a close encounter with an online stalker. Are the rest of the posters on SGP not good enough for him. I feel targeted and scared.
      Being serious now - a classic sign of a troll - if you stop engaging they go away.

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    3. Cheers. My brain has just come back from the dry cleaner's so I'm ready for your next instructions Dear LeaderπŸ˜„. Actually I'm sorry to see Tam go but perhaps he'll resurface in the Dughoose as NumptyTam. If he does a quick trip off piste with Skier will soon give him something to complain about😡‍πŸ’«. Of course there's so many anonymouses on here, can we be sure he's gone? Indeed can we be sure Skier left? Only the lack of toilet surveys would suggest he has😜

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  11. Probably worth noting that a vote for Labour should not be interpreted as being anti indy.

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    1. Why would an Indy supporter vote for a unionist party?

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    2. Britnat Labour is a Britnat party. If you vote for them you are actively voting against independence.

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    3. If you support independence you have to vote SNP, it’s a no brainer.

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    4. A no brainer. Literally. You’d get Indy sooner by headbutting a wall.

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    5. Not true anon 10.36. Even the SNP recognise their buddies in the greens are worth a vote - after all they are their wee pals in government. It was those great SNP gurus that gave the greens some legitimacy and now those 'green-minded' people who loaned their vote to the SNP don't have to - another great Sturgeon idea - split the vote! I could argue it's only 'no brains' that still vote SNP. Nine effing years? And you're still swallowing it? How many times do you let your cheating husband, wife, partner, thing, (don't want to get into trouble) tell you next time they will be faithful before you think 'Eff, this one's a bummer time to move on?' How many elections? How many promises? The Martian colony will get independence before the SNP get it for us

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  12. As Ireland showed in the past, the only way to get independence is a military fight.
    Even an electoral landslide is not enough, history proves this, Sinn Fein won nearly all seats in 1918 but yet the English refused independence, they needed years of military resistance to force negotiations and reach independence

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    1. Disgraceful comment.

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    2. Disgraceful comment indeed, utterly disgraceful.

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    3. Historically accurate though

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    4. False flag posts trying to discredit SGP. Just like the vote Labour post above. - wouldn't be surprised if it was someone by the name of Tam.

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    5. Anon 8.00 - Not exactly true. What happened was that they took part in the UK election as part of the UK then set up the DΓ‘il in Dublin as the legitimately elected government - same thing we could do up here. The fact that the UK government went on the rampsge to stop them is neither here not there, that was a differnet episode intheir struggle. As far as I recall Joanna Cherry suggested this 'UDI'-ish route a few years ago. Any blood bath after that would require the UK government to step in. A war like in 1918 is not likely, more a Catalan thing.

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  13. Joanna Cherry doing her best to try and change the role and powers of the Lord Advocate in Scotland. Unlike in N.Ireland , England, Wales the Lord Avocate is both the Scottish Goverments top legal advisor and in charge of prosecutions ( COPFS). This means the person in charge of prosecutions sits in the Scottish Goverment Cabinet and reposts to the FM Yousaf. No separation of government and judiciary.
    WGD numpties do not support Cherry trying to get this changed. Is it just because they hate Cherry and oppose anything she does or do they want to keep prosecutions under the control of Yousaf?

    My key take from this is that Cherry obviously disnae see independence happening any time soon or she wouldn't bother doing this.

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  14. SGP - James - not the best time for a fundraiser; Christmas, January, energy bills, food prices, and all that jazz. You'll need to persevere and be patient.

    On the other hand the road past my unit is busier than it's been for years, non-stop during the day, the likes of Sainsburys apparently did well for food though Argos did poorly (hence a drop in share price). Media is full of depressing news like housebuilders going bust but to counter that others (like in Dalry) are hiring. Tourism looks like having a good year, tourism businesses actually being bought, and with any luck there'll be an upturn to the economy here.

    The hard polarised division doesn't help with "If you're not one of us, you're agin us", there used to be a time you'd get a shout out in Wings and WGD, now that doesn't happen.

    So good luck, you might meet your target by end of May!

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  15. Is it Just Zombies that Come Back from the Dead?

    Not according to WGD numpties.

    Golfnut says:- " I don't think Nicola is in any way shape or form out of the battle of Westminster."

    Dr Jim says:- " Its time she got this take a break thing out of her system, they're not going to leave her alone no matter what she does, so she might as well get back on the horse and get sorted out, she's got an election to win."

    It's not that long ago numpties said international organisations would be queuing up to give her a top job.

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    1. Does it help SGP fundraising efforts, you constantly and persistently slagging off WGD and its posters?

      Is that why you do it so much?

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    2. Admiral I’m guessing you haven't been able to find any typos in my posts and you are feeling frustrated. Tough.
      A true WGD numpty defending delusional numpties.
      I do it because they are lying Sturgeon propagandists - often known as Nicophants who deserve to be mocked - who are accomplices to all that is wrong with the SNP and Scottish government and are major impediments to Scottish independence. Now toddle off and play with your toy battleships. I've had enough trolling today.
      I contribute to SGP fundraising but I ain't an official fundraiser for SGP. If you are so concerned dip your hand in to your pocket.

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    3. Hello yesindyref2. I don't read WGD any more. I haven't for a couple of years because it's really just a clique. I suggested (when I was allowed on) that we needed unity across the YES movement and was told to piss off. I believe it was 'sitting round the fireside singing Kumbaya...' now there's inclusion for you. If you don't agree with how great Nicola is with them then you've had it. The articles by Paul are kind of all the same telling us what we already know WM bad SNP blameless, Indy just around the corner. Greens would be pleased with the recycling. I know the guy doesn't keep good health but I don't think the site is good for the independence movement as it doesn't allow much discussion. I remember your posts and you used to get shouted down a lot on there - I admire your fortitude, but for me it's just a waste of time. On here - especially since James has allowed us to discuss things more you get a chance to put your point across - sometimes you get snarled at sometimes you don't but with the self styled 'duggers' (sad) I had nothing but negativity - even though all I ever mentioned was unity. I guess I was a kind of Tartan Tam back in those halcyon days.

      I find the glimpses of the madness of WGD contributors that IFS gives us here useful and at times amusing - keeps me posted without having to visit the site. Which is a shame as it used to be a good read back in the day. I don't think IFS's 'slagging' will be problematic for James raising money as I can't see any of the main WGD contributors forking out here as they have already suggested they don't like James's site - but what price freedom of speech?

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    4. WGD has just a handful of regulars these days, with nearly half the posts by someone who has statistics but no politics, and plenty of wishful thinking and invention. I did stats and I wouldn't claim to be an expert on polls. 1.96 and 2.58.

      SGP on the other hand does have politics and knows what he's talking about. There's another guy supposedly analyses the polls who you see on the national sometimes, who seems to me to have as little expertise as that monotonous poster on WGD.

      Thing is that people come to SGP to see the articles about the polls and about Alba, and maybe see what discussion is below the line about the articles. The SGP article about OMOV was very interesting, and the SNP has exactly the same problem, as I posted elsewhere (not WGD, it would get deleted).

      What do visitors see here? A certain poster just slagging off those two on WGD, and anyone who tries to post something about the SNP, and I'm sure if they wanted to they could read the WGD comments themselves.

      With moderation turned on, all you could see before is IFS on an ego trip. What do you see with it switched off? The same. Nothing changes. It did cross my mind that those two were the same person. doing their best to destroy both blogs. But meanwhile SGP crowdfunders are as slow as Independence, as slow as a week in jail, and they deserve better.

      Anyways, it's up to you and others, I'm still slowly retiring from bothering posting.

      This used to be a great blog, above and below the line. Now it's just above. Even including me :-)

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    5. I think you'll find on most blogs that comments btl often quickly veer away from the original article which must be frustrating for the site host but what can you do? In this case, here's my contribution for what it's worth. The cost of commissioning a poll by a private individual seems exorbitant to me. I get that James would like some polling to get his teeth into but in an election year like 2024 I'm sure the polls will come eventually. They might not ask the questions James wants to ask but at least they won't cost him anythingπŸ˜‰.

      I was disappointed to see Tam leave because of IFS and would be if you did too. The last thing we need is an echo chamber where opinions aren't challenged. Tam seemed to resent the fact that people weren't more supportive of him but to dismiss them as 'brainwashed' or under the influence of IFS was pretty juvenile. IFS gets attacked all the time on here for being a unionist and tends to respond to it in his own inimitable way - why shouldn't he?I no longer read WGD so I don't know what your history is with him - he calls you Admiral, you call him Cubby - what's going on?πŸ˜„but I get a laugh from his 'numptie' updates. I can't imagine fear of being called a numpty is enough to prevent people from posting their opinion.

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    6. Felix, I have no objection to you veering off-topic but I do object to you implicitly writing the fundraiser off - I do intend to see it through and commission a poll.

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  16. Anyways, the National describes how Yousaf has read some of the postings on various blogs and decided it would be a good idea if the SNP went back to 6 MPs at Westminster:

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/24044160.humza-yousaf-urges-voters-back-snp-bid-tory-free-scotland/

    "urge Scots to back the SNP to create a “Tory-free Scotland”"

    and

    "call on voters to back the SNP to ensure Scotland’s voice is heard at Westminster"

    and then

    "Today I am setting an ambition for the SNP to wipe the Tories from Scotland’s electoral map by winning all six of those Tory seats"

    Mnerrr, whatsup Doc? Independence got your tongue? Does he think Indy supporters will get our jollies by voting against, errr, Tories, while totally forgetting about INDEPENDENCE?

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  17. I don't stop anyone posting - that is impossible. When I was ill for a few weeks and didn't post anonymous posters weren't happy then either saying I was a lover of Wings and gone off in a huff. Anonymous posters can't address the points I make and therefore resort to lies and personal attacks. I get it that SNP/ Nicophants don't like the truth but we have got nowhere over the last 9 years - nothing but lies and broken promises from Sturgeon's gang. If you want Scottish independence I believe the truth about the SNP and Sturgeon need to be accepted and remedial action taken.
    Felix how did TartanTam leave because of me - I stopped commenting on his posts - so that chased him away - really. I have never said anyone should stop posting or said go away to anyone. On the contrary I get that all the time from other posters. You can see that from yesindyref2 in posts above. Yesindyref2 regularly used to refer to me as wormtongue on WGD, other personal insults and accuses me of inaccurate quotations when I go to great lengths to be accurate. He even accused me of brainwashing James Kelly on WGD. He has a personal agenda against me.

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  18. Too many negative comments about Nicola Sturgeon. She was an excellent politician who took SNP popularity to new highs. She could fill Glasgow Hydro with 12000 supporters. She was a great asset to the party and imho for SNP supporters i think its best for the part to own and build upon her success, and the still strong goodwill towards her, not making negative comments about the SNPs record.

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    1. https://youtu.be/F1y_OyQelLU?si=bAfc0Qfyt1qQFNaK

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    2. Anonymous at 8.33am - the word missing from your post is independence. Read it back to yourself. It is all about how great she was for "the party". She won elections for the " party" and a great life for a lot of SNP politicians. She was supposed to deliver independence. " 12000 supporters " that is living in the past. Would she fill the hydro now - I very much doubt it - the SNP have been struggling to get numbers to their conference.

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    3. Nicola Sturgeon had her faults, no doubt about that. However I feel the criticism of her now is way over the top, and does the independence cause no good whatsoever.

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    4. Anon at 8.33 you say " She was an excellent politician who took SNP popularity to new highs. She could fill Glasgow Hydro with 12000 supporters." She also took the SNP back down again and oversaw a wealthy party turn into one getting handouts from her man who was trousering 100K per annum from same party - easy way to save money and no need for loans - sack husband. Rod Stewart (I'm not a fan) packed out Hampden but I didn't expect him to get us independence - that was her job. Her job was to get us independence that's it. Not arsing about doing press conferences on Covid everyday when every other country in the world had their health minister doing it - 'cos that's their job. She was a great politician - I'll give you that , but a rotten leader of an independence movement.

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    5. WT - my wife loves Rod Stewart's music but even she wouldn't expect him to get independence. He is a bit of a Tory anyway.
      I'm always saddened by how little so many independence supporters are satisfied with. That's the effect of 300 odd years of colonisation.

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  19. I am an anonymous poster. I am a supporter of Nicola Sturgeon but I have no problem with IfS and his/her/their posts and commentary. The more the merrier!

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    1. I’m also a supporter of n sturgeon, and tho I might not agree with a lot ifs says I have no problem with his posts, quite entertaining at timesπŸ˜€πŸ˜€. Everybody’s entitled to their opinion.

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    2. I really wish people would concentrate on the points I make rather than it being about me but it is good that some people are still for freedom of speech. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I also post facts that are indisputable.

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  20. An SNP spokeswoman said:- " SNP conference agreed the party would put the offer of independence at the forefront of the General Election." Did they now. Sounds like an offer from Lidl. Will we find it somewhere in the middle of Lidl. This is just more meaningless time wasting guff. As WT put it in a post above:- " The Martian colony will get independence before the SNP get it for us". We will ALL die in Scotland The Colony unless something changes. Yes even youngsters who think they have plentry of years to get independence. The keep voting SNP and keep your fingers crossed approach is is not even worth calling useless.

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    1. As they used to say with a little more confidence: “tick tock.”

      Aye, and we’ll all die British. I’ve known several Yessers who passed in the wasted years since 2014…

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    2. I think it’ll change after the election if the SNP lose a lot of seats, as polls are indicating. They’ll be forced to change leader or maybe Humza will resign. Hopefully that would result in positive change.

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  21. A WARNING

    If the SNP do not get on with holding a de facto referendum NOW the risk to independence supporters is that Westminster passes a law outlawing this option. The Britnats know this is a slightly open window in their prison of a colony. They will slam it shut as soon as they can. Make no mistake the Britnats believe thay can pass a law on anything - and they can.

    (They are currently passing a law to overturn the multitude of post office scandal court cases. Never been done before - charlieboy will give it his stamp of approval.)

    The SNP will then bleat they cannae do a de facto referendum as its illegal and we will just have to keep begging for a sec 30 which will never come. Our oil and gas resources are just to much for them to lose but they will run out some time in the distant future. Will this help independence - no - our electricity transfer from England to Scotland just grows every day we are a colony from our renewables. Scots get high energy bills and absolutely no benefit from this rape of our resources. The whole of the east coast of Scotland is getting covered in offshore wind farms to send electricity to England.

    If you never get a vote on independence. You cannae claim a majority of Scots want independence. Opinion polls will not be accepted even if they get to the 60% sustained mark. No population ever does as well as it could in a colony. It's up to SNP members to show some mettle and step up to the plate or hideaway in the shadows going on about how much you like Nicola and how just awful Westminster is.

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    1. Possible, but that is when the democratic mandate has hit the buffers. A whole lot of things go along with that and, at that point, it depends on what kind of politician you have representing the independence, it needs strength and integrity. THAT is where our SNP mob fall well short.

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    2. WT - I don't think Scotland has had a proper democracy so none of the Britnats actions to stop a vote on independence to date has surprised me. No colony is a proper democracy and the Britnat's actions just reinforce that viewpoint.

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    3. The de facto referendum idea is a non starter. The only way we can achieve independence is through an actual referendum. This means getting support consistently well above 50%, then Westminster has to accept the settled will that the majority want independence and have to grant a referendum. This is the only way.I

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    4. An anonymous poster posts at 3.51 pm the exact same as TartanTam - quelle suprise. Westminster doesnt have to accept anything - sec 30 is a pipe dream punted to justify doing nothing about independence by the SNP. Strange how some of the same people who worship Sturgeon, the person who punted a de facto UKGE, now say it won't work but never say why.

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    5. Have the snp shelved the de facto idea altogether or are they just not going wi it at this ge cos they don’t think they’ll get 50% of the vote?

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  22. Well I tried and I failed. I did the same in WGD and failed there too, it allows no criticism of the SNP or the ScotGov. What I did there back in July was point out that none of the 8 articles on the SNP main webpage even mentioned Independence, and after the usual three monkey attacks by miniature poodles, got this:

    https://weegingerdug.wordpress.com/2023/07/20/the-drearily-predictable-bbc-scotland/

    "MODS says:
    July 24, 2023 at 3:33 pm

    If you want to continually mouth off about the SNP and how useless they are then there are other forums where you can do that. You’re not welcome to do it here.
    "

    That was directly in reply to this from me:

    "To take your argument that only SNP members are able to comment about the SNP, to its logical conclusion, then I guess you also want only SNP members to vote for the SNP at elections.

    Good luck with that.
    "

    What the SNP suffered from and still do, is an ivory tower of cloth-eared deafness, and unfortunately they have what a unionist on the Herald used to call "The Praetorian Guard" whose self-appointed mission is to discourage (constructive) criticism. - sadly to the detriment of the party itself.

    But it's just as bad the other way around with SNP haters, echo chambers where anyone trying to point out good things about the SNP, is called names rather than any attempt to discuss the actual points. Echo chambers are funny in a sad sort of way but do nothing to advance Independence, and any moderates soon give up trying to post, as can be seen in all blogs below the line - and the National and Herald themselves where name-calling isn't discouraged any more by non-existent moderators, and ad hominems attack honest opinions.

    Life's too short. And look at what happened to Wings, possibly directly responsible for getting 56 SMP MPs elected in 2015 to Westminster by the efforts of both Campbell, and btl posters.

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    1. It is a duff website.

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    2. When Wings got obsessed with GRR I got banned for posting "Wake me up when we get back to Independence".

      He still has the occasional good posting though, old style Rev.

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    3. WT: Both of them are, mirror images of each other, equally self obsessed.

      For what it’s worth: I see the best way ahead as a revolution inside the SNP as grassroots independence campaigners take it back over. I don’t see any progress in anyone’s lifetime with the current leadership clique. Nor do I see Scots as a whole clamoring for a new party.

      What I want is for the SNP to hit a bump in the road, soon enough it shakes some sense into them, before the vehicle is ruined forever.

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    4. "as grassroots independence campaigners take it back over"

      Anonymous, I posted this elsewhere a day or two ago, yrtis.

      The SNP won’t change until it’s OMOV – One Member One Vote – for everything, not just leader and depute. Any sort of delegate system at so-called Conferences allows picking a small venues in somewhere like Aberdeen that’s a long way for those that don’t have money to stay in an expensive hotel, so all that’s voting is MPs, MSPs, some councillors, and delegates who, to be blunt, are mostly self-selected.

      Result – watered down resolutions, non-representative NECs and officials that actually don’t represent the membership. All this is better expressed by SGP on a blog post some time ago – about Alba.

      I’ve seen so many posts say that members will take back control of their party, but with such a rigged voting system there’s absolutely no fecking chance of that.

      SNP – Strictly No Plebs. And that doesn’t help the leadership either.

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    5. Sorry, that last one was me.

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    6. The best thing that could happen to the SNP is for them to suffer a setback at the next election and have some of the wokists and careerists who flooded into the party in the Sturgeon era dumped out. The only way back for them is to refocus on independence. We have wasted almost a decade on so called 'progressive' issues to the exclusion of the party's raison d'etre and it has caused division and stagnation. I'm sorry if it upsets people here but I lay the blame for this exclusively at the door of Nicola Sturgeon who I think has set back the cause of independence by years.

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    7. TO Anon 3.33. OMOV sounds superficially attractive. However when applied at a detailed level it may prevent the leadership from having the flexibility to take the optimal decisions which they are often best placed to take. Thus I would only use it for broad brush items such as electing the leader.

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    8. Unfortunately I think Wings is too rude towards the SNP leadership and moreover he tends to adopt highly simplistic arguments which, when considered more carefully, do not stand up to detailed scrutiny. He tends to "straw person" the people he argues against.

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    9. Re: OMOV. The SNP very almost elected Kate Forbes as Nicola’s replacement, even with the disgraced former leader’s thumb very much on the scale. (GO ON, ASK HER ABOUT GOD, FOR THE LOVE OF!) If Humza reigns after a drubbing at the Westminster general, Kate’s in a good position to win, and if she does I’m guessing she’s then in a good position to hand pick the powers that be within the party, or indeed reform it towards internal democracy if she’s really bold.

      Frankly, all that matters to me is they get back to action on independence. You’d think most SNP members might want that too. But the current MPs? Good riddance!

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    10. Autocorrect typo: if Humza “resigns”. Obvs. Which I truly hope he will. Nothing’s happening on his watch. That’s what he was hand picked for.

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  23. Sunak has put a target on all of us with his attack on Yemen. Is this just another coincidence that a political leader in trouble in the polls wants to start a war. Another unwanted union dividend. We need our own foreign policy. We need decolonisation. We need politicians with courage and determination.

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  24. Now I read the above post by yesindyref2 on WGD at the time yesindyref2 posted it on WGD. So I was well aware of his views on the SNP and WGD. So it looks like it is acceptable for yesindyref2 to criticise the SNP and complain about the WGD site because he is fighting the good fight - the man's a hero you know - but when I do the same ( admittedly with attempts at a bit of humour at times ) I am bad and it's all about my ego.
    I have been posting the same basic message for years. Yesindyref2 posts a few comments and he is the one trying to save us all despite calling me all manner of abusive words over years on WGD for saying the same. If his track record is anything to go by he will tell me not to cry.

    I really don't mind seeing people seeing the light about the SNP ( in yesindyref2's case it is only a part light) but try some humility for goodness sake.

    With regards to his championing of free speech I will remind yesindyref2 that both Kavanagh and himself have tried to get James Kelly to ban me from his site. Hopefully he has now genuinely accepted free speech.

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    1. "despite calling me all manner of abusive words over years on WGD for saying the same"

      Liar liar, pants on fire!

      Sorry Cubby, I have no interest in you, you appear to be a faulty beta AI, but I do respond to persistent ad hominems like yours.

      Most people would be happy with the motto "cogito, ergo sum". IFS thinks that it should be "ego, ergo sum".

      Now then, does anyone think these sorts of personal attacks help the cause of Independence - or help SGP to attract funds?

      Really?

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    2. Yesindyref2 - so based on that post you agree everything I said is true in my post other than calling me abusive words on WGD. So is Wormtongue not abusive ? is that a term of endearment? Do you really want me to track down the quotes?

      You undermine your stated concern about personal attacks in a post which has personal attacks. I'm now a faulty beta AI - a new abusive term.

      When in a hole best stop digging.

      You have been trolling me for far too long. Goodbye.

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    3. I think you two would be best ignoring each other. Both of you have voices worth hearing and it would be a pity if they were wasted in petty squabbling.

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    4. Felix - that is what the goodbye means in that post. I had already decided that is the best option going forward. If he stops posting now like TartanTam not my problem - his decision.

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    5. "I think you two would be best ignoring each other. Both of you have voices worth hearing and it would be a pity if they were wasted in petty squabbling."

      Indeed, and that's kind of what I've been saying all along.

      Could you imagine if Jimbo, Skier, Hamish and others who don't post here but post on WGD, decided to actually respond in kind here?

      You'd be talking 200 posts a day plus.

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    6. Oh not Skier for God's sake!!!
      πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

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    7. Better make it 400 posts a day.

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    8. 400 at least if he decided to resume one of his many previous careers as a toilet inspector 😁

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  25. Israeli counsel gaslighting the whole world at the International Court of Justice. If Israel is abiding by International law then that law needs changed pretty dam quick. The Israeli counsel claims that the words of Netahanyu, the Israeli PM and the Defence Minister are not the words of the Israeli government - not government policy. 100% gaslighting. It's a wonder he never claimed there are no dead children. Netahanyu - a modern day monster.

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  26. Lot of posters on here saying the snp don’t want independence. That’s nonsense. In fact unionists constantly complain all they’re interested in is independence.

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    1. Well they certainly claim to want independence. I’m starting to lose patience with them though, and if things don’t improve soon Yousaf needs to be replaced.

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    2. They have achieved a lot in the last 10 years - high levels of vote share and participation in the government in Edinburgh as lead party. The job of First Minister. Many MPs and all the rest of it.

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    3. Holyrood still flies the Butcher’s Apron.
      Our passports still say we’re Brit.
      Job far from done.

      Get back to the day job: SNP. INDEPENDENCE!

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    4. SNP. INDEPENDENCE indeed.
      Let’s make it happen.

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    5. If that was what they called themselves on the ballot paper, this would be the independence plebiscite election and you bet I’d vote for them. Game on!

      What are the odds, though?

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  27. It’s too late for a leadership change before the GE but it’s certainly something that’ll need to be looked at after the election. Of course Yousaf might resign if the SNP lose a lot of seats.

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    1. I hope so.

      But I can just as easily imagine WGD and the National defending his position with even just a handful of MPs left. “Well, technically, this was more than Salmond in 1997, and no one called for his resignation…”

      No plan. No action. No vote. Get your act together or you’re out!

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  28. Independence for Scotland and Yesindyref are both big mouthy troublemakers

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    1. Here here. Keep Pension Pete’s feet cosy and vote SNP, thickos!

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    2. Ah, “Glasgow Working Class”. A true SGP classic troll, for the young ‘uns who don’t remember.

      I’ll give him one thing: he was onto “Knickerless” years before the rest of us.

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  29. The big mouthy troublemaker was astonished to hear Yousaf at FMQs say independent independent independent independent and on and on. I've never heard him say it so often. Pity it wasn't about Scotland being independent but him claiming that The Lord Advocate is independent of the Scottish Government despite being a part of the government - she sits in the cabinet. Yousaf trying to cover his back re the Post Office scandal even though he was also the Justice Minister during part of this criminal fiasco. He has learned his trade well under Sturgeon.

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    1. I also saw the Sturgeon at FMQs with Ross Greer of the greens sitting right beside her and I immediately thought has Sturgeon found her true home - the bampot greens. She looked pretty stressed to me - I wonder why? Was it all those stressful driving lessons or something else - could it be writing a book of fiction is hard work - all that cross checking of her lies.

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    2. @9:18 Bet you don't feel that way about people taking shots at Salmond.

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    3. Anonymous at 9.18pm - correct and no chance - Sturgeon wasted the best opportunities for independence by continually lying about Indyref2 and raising money off the back of it. Where is the " ring fenced" £600k by the way. It seems to have broken the fence and escaped all on its own. Remarkable eh. Why should an independence supporter have anything but contempt for her?

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    4. Support for the SNP has dropped since Nicola Sturgeon resigned, whereas support for independence has remained steady.
      I suggest if Nicola had still been leader support for the SNP would sill be riding high and support for independence might be even higher than now. As regards the 600k, the polis investigation’s still on going. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.

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    5. Yet plenty among the SNP, Nicola included, seem to believe Alex Salmond is guilty even after being proven innocent πŸ€”

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    6. Anonymous at 1.31pm says:- " Innocent until proven guilty and all that." I agree please read my post again you will see I did not say anyone was guilty of a financial crime. I stated facts. Can you tell me where the money is? That is the question I posed and the police are investigating. Also it is a fact that Sturgeon kept on promising a referendum while at the same raising funds from both SNP members and Yes supporters for a "Ring fenced Indyref2 fund". I have lost count how many SNP politicians and others I have heard/read saying it is the SNP's money and they can spend it how they want. That is a lie. James Kelly knows that if he raises funds for a poll and donors make it clear the funds donated are for a poll he cannae just go out and use it to buy a nice BMW or a motorhome.

      Perhaps you should consider if Sturgeon had stayed on as leader and things would be great for the SNP and Scottish independence as you suggest why did she resign and run away from this future utopia.

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    7. Felix at 1.56pm - one of most outrageous and totally unacceptable things I have seen from any FM during devolution, and that includes the Labour FMs, was Sturgeon saying quite clearly on national tv to to the people of Scotland that the jury in the Salmond trial were wrong. No new evidence provided by Sturgeon. Just her as FM saying they were wrong. She should have been censored in Holyrood for that. That is the stuff of dictators intervening in criminal trials. Now you have them wanting to get rid of juries.

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  30. It wiz aw a big mean boy what did it and I don’t recollect the alleged incident, your honour.

    There’s a bonus tucked in your next performance review if you bury this, too. I’ll see to it.

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