As expected, opinion polls since the unpopular Humza Yousaf became First Minister in highly controversial circumstances three months ago have shown voters punishing the SNP for their choice. The party's lead over Labour has dwindled to almost nothing in many cases, and there have even been a few polls that have shown Labour either level or in the lead on the Holyrood list ballot. And yet the denial from Team Humza has been quite simply astounding - anonymous briefings to the press have suggested that the poll results are somehow even heartening in the circumstances. That may simply be because, until now, no conventional poll has shown the SNP quite losing their lead on the Westminster ballot or on the Holyrood constituency ballot, which are regarded (wrongly) as more important votes than the Holyrood list. If so, tonight will bring a shuddering halt to the complacency, and that may be no bad thing.
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Saturday, June 17, 2023
Landmark Panelbase poll shows SNP on course for defeat at the general election. This has to be the reality-check that causes denial within the SNP to end. They chose the wrong leader in March and that mistake has to be faced up to.
Scottish voting intentions for the next UK general election (Panelbase / Sunday Times, 12th-15th June 2023):
Labour 34% (+3)
SNP 34% (-5)
Conservatives 18% (-1)
Liberal Democrats 7% (+2)
Seats projection (with changes from 2019 general election): Labour 26 (+25), SNP 21 (-27), Conservatives 7 (+1), Liberal Democrats 5 (+1)
Incidentally, the percentage changes above are from a Panelbase poll conducted just after Yousaf became leader in March, so there's no real doubt that the SNP have lost substantial support on his watch. I know some will argue that any SNP leader would be facing exactly the same problems he is right now, but that doesn't wash for two clear reasons. Firstly, although the current SNP leadership can't control the fact that Yousaf's predecessor has just been arrested, what they absolutely can control is their own reaction to that news, and in no sane world would that involve sending Nicola Sturgeon flowers or saying that disloyalty to her is incompatible with SNP membership. Those actions send an unmistakeable message to the public that the current leadership is just a continuation of the Sturgeon leadership in all but name.
And secondly, it's not as if there's isn't a clear alternative to Yousaf who we have good reason to believe the public would be responding to a lot better. Just like the Savanta poll the other day, Panelbase are showing that Yousaf's narrowly defeated leadership opponent Kate Forbes, who of course unlike him would not be a continuity leader in any shape or form, is now the most popular senior politician in Scotland.
Net approval ratings:
Kate Forbes (SNP): +3
Anas Sarwar (Labour): -2
Humza Yousaf (SNP): -12
Nicola Sturgeon (SNP): -18
Douglas Ross (Conservatives): -34
There is the now-customary silver lining in this poll - on the independence question, Yes support is holding up impressively, which suggests that the constitutional debate has now matured to the point where people can easily separate out their views on independence from their dislike of the SNP leadership of the day.
Should Scotland be an independent country?
Yes 47% (-1)
No 53% (+1)
With SNP support now 13 points lower than independence support, it looks as if literally the only way the SNP could recover their position without changing leader is by restoring the Sturgeon plan of a de facto referendum, thus giving a reason for Yes-supporting switchers to Labour to return to the SNP fold.
The Holyrood numbers in the poll are almost as bad for the SNP as the Westminster numbers, but not quite -
Scottish Parliament constituency ballot:
SNP 36% (-1)
Labour 32% (+2)
Conservatives 13% (-4)
Liberal Democrats 9% (+1)
Greens 7% (+2)
Scottish Parliament regional list ballot:
SNP 30% (-1)
Labour 28% (+1)
Conservatives 17% (-3)
Greens 12% (+2)
Liberal Democrats 8% (+2)
Alba 4% (-1)
Seats projection (with changes from 2021 election): SNP 47 (-17), Labour 37 (+15), Conservatives 23 (-8), Greens 14 (+6), Liberal Democrats 8 (+4)
That would leave the SNP with exactly the same number of seats that they won under Alex Salmond in 2007 when they pipped Labour by just one seat to take power for the first time. As in 2007, there would be no pro-independence majority - the unionist parties in combination would have 68, while the SNP and Greens between them would have only 61.
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Sturgeon now down at -18! Perhaps it is finally starting to sink in with her fans that she was one of the worst things to happen to the independence movement.
ReplyDeleteI could never understand why so many worshiped Sturgeon. Thankfully she’s gone now.
DeleteAnyone remember 2011 when Labour ran a totally negative campaign against the SNP who then went on to demolish them? Clearly the SNP don't. Here's their pinned tweet, is it about Independence, is it about postiive stuff, no, guess what:
ReplyDelete"In 2020, Keir Starmer promised to scrap tuition fees in England.
🥀 Now, he’s set to abandon his promise, as Labour becomes increasingly indistinguishable from the Tories."
Errr, ENGLAND?
And their website, number 1 article:
"From PFI debt to Brexit: the price of Labour policies"
Obsessed by Labour, and did I see that word? What was it again?
I-N-D-E-P-E-N-D-E-N-C-E
No wonder SNP are plummeting in the polls. They're garbage.
Ssh! Don’t say it out loud, the dug will hear you!
DeleteI’m sure “internally” (to Humza’s head, and his hangers on) the fear is that any action on Indy turns folk off because Nicola always said so, behind closed doors, as well. Whether Humza himself was behind those closed doors is debatable! But he knows what his mission is: continuity. The kind of continuity that crashes and burns the cause.
So whatever you do, don’t say the I word! It’s much too bloody popular! Can’t be having that. What Scots secretly want is a lighter form of Starmer’s nuLabour, obviously. Pale Tory rule with a heart. Didn’t you ever study politics at uni? You never give the thickos what they say they want. You just tease them with the carrot.
disloyalty to her[Herrin Sturgeon] is incompatible with SNP membership (my paraphrase)
DeleteSounds like we are back in Germany in 1933, just shows how easily it can happen.
Meanwhile Dr Jim has been active. He's done a census of Alba members
Delete"Remember this is a party of two jumped ship SNP MPs too afraid to stand for election to the the *organisation* "
and then, without much difficulty, moves into No More Nice Guy mode:
"If I as an employer invested £thousands in employees to do work for my company then they went off and used that position to work for themselves and against my company they would be walking with a limp for a long time after their discharge from their months in hospital if I couldn’t bring the force of the law down on them first."
Another poll pointing to a projected increase in Green MSPs at Holyrood. Dear God, the creation of identity politics, social media bubbles will destroy society.
ReplyDeleteI agree with the defacto plan as the route. They should never have waned from it. My concern now is the snp's reputation may do the very credibility of a defacto vote more harm than good and that not only does a) independence need to be decoupled from the SNP but b) the credibility of a defacto referendum needs to as well. I think a Team Scotland approach is the only feasible and credible option.
ReplyDeleteIm not sure Scots will back Humza on this if he makes the correct call belatedly. The cause needs a new leader and quickly.
The SNP crying wolf at every election is now begin to show people are turning away from the SNP because they no longer believe they are the party for Independence.
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely
ReplyDeleteWith Labour manifesto going more right wing I accept bets that It won't do anywhere near this poll
ReplyDeleteWhat do you specifically mean by “right wing”? Not disagreeing or agreeing with you but it’s an easy term to throw around without specifics and we need specifics to counter.
DeleteI might be interested if you keep the bet small and define what you mean by "anywhere near".
DeleteLabour remains the existential threat to independence. No other Brit party has their underlying (if ever less meaningful appeal): kick the Tories out NOW! That alone about Labour still resonates more than any manifesto. Every time the voters feel the hurt from UKgov, Labour has the promise to throw them out.
DeleteI’m not voting Labour because they're full of the same cynical troughers as the SNP and Greens, but with added hostility to Independence. Also: as low as I rate Humza, plonker Starmer's even worse! But Labour's unique selling point thanks to British rule and FPTP is very simple: do want the Tories out? Scotland's delivered handsome SNP majorities in all Westminster elections since indyref, yet Tory rule continued regardless. No matter Nicola's and Humza's messaging, the SNP can never be the alternate government of the UK. That's Labour's unique inheritance, and they squander it.
It's always confused me how incredulous people are of polls they don't like and how little critical thought they put into polls they do like... anyway, the SNP fails are the news - as soon as that is the state of affairs, expect a decrease, or drop in popularity. THE trend is serious SNP marginalisation but not annhilation. Self-inflicted, Sturgeonista defeat - maybe Sturgeon could deliver a TED talk on how to marginalise a successful political party.
DeleteCash in envelopes now! Little wonder the polls are going from bad to worse for this rotten to the core shower.
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