Sunday, January 1, 2023

Poll suggests monarchy is on a shoogly peg if Scotland moves towards independence

So a very Happy New Year to all Scot Goes Poppers!  We're now almost certainly in the penultimate year prior to the Westminster general election, which as things stand we expect to be used as a de facto independence referendum.  There's perhaps a very small outside chance that Sunak will call a snap election in the second half of this year, but only if he's made a massive recovery in the opinion polls, which at the moment is very hard to imagine.  And while January 2025 is technically the last possible date for the election, there's no chance in the real world of it being that late (in spite of what some people would have you believe).  The last realistic date is probably October 2024 - although if Sunak goes that late, the Tories will have unilaterally extended their own term of office in tinpot dictator style.  When they were elected in December 2019, the law clearly stated that the next election could be held no later than May 2024.

Although I'm a couple of days late with this, I thought I'd also look briefly at the Panelbase poll on the future of the monarchy in an independent Scotland.

If Scotland votes to become an independent country, should Scotland be a republic with an elected Head of State or should Scotland keep King Charles as Head of State?  (Panelbase / Alba Party, 12th-16th December 2022)

Republic: 55%
Keep King Charles: 45%

This is broadly in line with two or three other recent polls that showed a relatively even split, or a slight republican lead, in the context of an independent Scotland.  It's important to stress, though, that this doesn't mean Scotland has suddenly become an anti-monarchy country - there still appears to be a majority for keeping the monarchy if we stay in the UK.  I'm not sure it would be possible to devise a question that accurately captures attitudes to the monarchy without regard to Scotland's relationship with the UK, because if you don't mention independence in the question, people will just assume they're being asked about a scenario in which Scotland remains part of the UK.

Plainly, there is a substantial minority of voters who are monarchists in a UK context but who nevertheless think it would be more appropriate for an independent Scotland to have a homegrown Head of State, and those are the people who are tipping the balance.  This suggests that the BBC, and the rest of the forces of monarchism, have largely failed in their propaganda attempts to convince us that the late Queen was as "Scottish as they come", and that Scotland had a "special place in her affections" (just like Wales, Northern Ireland, Buckinghamshire, Jamaica and pretty much every other location on the planet). If we really perceived the monarchy as being authentically Scottish and rooted in Scotland, the question of independence wouldn't make such a huge difference to whether we think the monarchy should be retained.

Incidentally, I still think it makes strategic sense for the SNP to either be neutral on the subject of the monarchy, or to maintain a soft pro-monarchy stance.  Pro-indy republicans will still want independence even if the monarchy is retained, whereas monarchists might just be deterred from voting Yes by the prospect of a republic.  But for Alba it's a completely different calculation.  It's logical for Alba to have an anti-monarchy (and indeed anti-NATO) stance, because they're seeking to build a niche vote among the most radical independence supporters.

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17 comments:

  1. Happy New Year, James, all the best for 2023.

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  2. Mark Drakeford is talking up the possibility of a collapse in the Tory government, triggering an early general election by default. I doubt it's likely as Tory MPs would be turkeys voting No Confidence for an early Christmas, but they're a quirky bunch and it's worth being ready, as he says:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jan/01/welsh-labour-general-election-mark-drakeford-interview

    As for the republic: I’m probably one of those swing voters myself. All in favour of an elected Scottish head of state, but deeply skeptical of the UK implementing the same. You can just tell how dodgy any system would be that could get past the Tories and the Lords!

    But aye, Charlie's our pal, here in indy-minded Scotland; whether he likes it or not.

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  3. Health and strength to you and all readers James.

    I share your view on the monarchy but NATO is a really problematic issue to me.

    It was always a specifically anti Russian creation and always dominated by the strategic interests of predatory US imperialism. The chance to change direction was thrown away after the soviet collapse in 1991. In that sense NATO has been a contributory factor to the growth of Putin's vile, fascistic militarism.
    The huge problem is that modern Russia is what it is and NATO is the only other show in town. The recent pro NATO stances of Finland and, especially, Sweden show the unlikely distortions that these pressures inevitably create.
    It's a myth to say that Scotland is different because it is farther away from Russia. Like it or not Scotland has, and cannot avoid having, a military frontier with Russia - in the North Atlantic. A European military alliance, on working terms with but not dominated by, the USA might be the best long term arrangement but seems far away at present.

    Personally, I think that we are going to have enough difficulty holding our jelly spined politicians to the nuclear free Scotland that so many of us want without appearing hopelessly naive by posturing as a second Switzerland.
    Become independent, kick out the nukes, hold our noses in Nato for now and work for European defence is the best that I can come up with.

    Any other views ?

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    1. I can't agree that geographical distance from Russia makes no difference. There's a reason why Sweden and Finland have thrown in their lot with NATO but Ireland, Austria and Switzerland have not. (And Ireland is a North Atlantic maritime state.)

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    2. Thanks James. I think that the point is that militarily Russia would have to 'go through' NATO to harm either Switzerland or Austria. Scotland has only international waters. Ireland is certainly more similar to Scotland's situation.
      Presently I think that, with indy a la Sturgeon, we'll be struggling to avoid simply becoming a willing little tool of the USA/GB with some shabby buy off on nukes at Faslane and Coulport. I live within a few miles of the bases. The US has recently been enabled to have a facility of it"s own built at Faslane and UK developments go ahead there apparently without a care in the world about the future.

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  4. Happy new 1st of January (the actual new year began December 22nd) ; Chinese New Year 2023 falls on Sunday, January 22nd, 2023.

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  5. Softly, softly. A referendum on the monarchy must come after independence. All the best for 2023.

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  6. I didn't know Alba were anti-NATO. Are they at odds with their leader on this, or has he changed his stance?

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    1. Opposition to NATO was agreed at Alba's conference two or three months ago. As far as I know Alex Salmond is comfortable with the policy, as he is with Alba's opposition to the monarchy (which is also different from the pro-monarchy stance the SNP took under his leadership).

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  7. A new year and all is still the same on WGD. The new 'orange order' are still enjoying their carrots and remain unconcerned.
    Orange Skier says no one has any right to a say on what happens re independence other than SNP and Green Party members. So just shut up or join the SNP and eat your carrots.
    The truth is more simple - only Sturgeon/Harvey/Slater will have a say.

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    1. Strictly speaking, moving to an election as a de facto referendum means that independence is no longer a matter for the Scottish Government, but instead for political parties. So there's no special status for the SNP and Greens as government parties. But hey, when was Skier ever right about anything?

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  8. A NewYear's resolutionfor IfS - stop havering.

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    1. Anonymous = 🥕🥕🥕🥕🥕🥕🥕🥕🥕 muncher with an orange face.

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  9. The big dug has spent his break from blogging coming up with a new bunch of carrots for the WGD ORANGE ORDER to munch on. There could be a UK GE de facto referendum in 2023 he says in his first article of 2023.

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  10. The big dug throws some carrots out to his numpties by saying in his most recent article:- "It is highly likely that the election could arrive much more quickly, and we need to be ready for it."
    That being the case you would expect the SNP conference on 19th March might be thought to be a wee bit tardy by the big dug. But no - he describes it as taking place in a few weeks. " In a few weeks the SNP will hold a special party conference at which strategies and tactics for the de facto referendum will be decided."

    So just when did the SNP having a conference to actually debate Scottish independence become something " special" ? The answer - when Sturgeon became leader.

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  11. Happy New Year, all!
    Has anyone had any trouble unsubscribing from Progress Scotland? I've tried phoning the number on their payment receipt, and emailing them in no uncertain terms telling them to stop taking payments from me, but to no avail. Next step is to contact the bank to see if I can put a stop to them.

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  12. Couldnt we have an elected monarch the Irish president is a complete non entity

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