Thursday, November 18, 2021

SCOT GOES POP / PANELBASE POLL: The Scottish public (pronouns: he/she/they) do *not* think it is "unacceptable" to misgender someone - although this is a closer result than on the other questions

Although attitudes to pronouns hold huge symbolic significance for both sides of the GRA / gender debate, they can still seem at first glance like a trivial or even frivolous issue compared to the others we've covered in the Scot Goes Pop / Panelbase poll, such as medical examinations after a sexual assault.  However, it mustn't be forgotten that "misgendering" is front and centre in many definitions of transphobia, including the SNP's working definition as developed by Fiona Robertson.  For many people on the pro-self-ID side, transphobia is every bit as serious a matter as, for example, anti-Semitism. So using the wrong pronouns is potentially already something that could cost someone their career, or lead to a knock on the door from an over-zealous police force investigating a "non-crime hate incident".

In coming up with a question for the poll about pronouns, I was keen to ensure that it couldn't be interpreted as a motherhood and apple pie question about good manners - because I'm sure the vast majority of people would think it's a good idea to be courteous and to use an individual's preferred pronouns wherever possible.  That's not the issue at all - the point of contention is whether people should be compelled to use certain pronouns when referring to others, ie. whether bad manners simply should not be tolerated by society or by the law, or whether going down that road would destroy one of our fundamental freedoms.

Scot Goes Pop / Panelbase poll (a representative sample of 1001 over-16s in Scotland was interviewed by Panelbase between 20th and 26th October 2021)

Some people argue that it is bigoted or transphobic to 'misgender' a transgender person - for example to refer to them as 'he' or 'him' if their preferred pronouns are 'she' and 'her'.  Others argue that forcing people to use particular pronouns when referring to a transgender person is an unacceptable attack on free speech.  Which point of view do you find most persuasive?

It is unacceptable to refer to a transgender person by the wrong pronouns: 30%

It is an unacceptable attack on free speech to force people to use particular pronouns when referring to a transgender person: 40%

Don’t Know / Prefer not to answer: 29%

Fascinatingly, this is the only gender-related question in the poll to produce an even vaguely close result.  That can perhaps by explained by a feeling among a sizeable minority that there's no good reason not to expect people to use certain pronouns - ie. there's no real cost attached to it.  There's also quite a dramatic gender gap on this issue that wasn't seen on the earlier questions.  Among women, there's actually a very slim plurality (34% to 32%) in favour of the idea that it's unacceptable not to use someone's preferred pronouns.  However, the overall result goes the other way because men feel very differently - they break 49% to 27% in favour of the "unacceptable attack on free speech" option.

Once again, there's a gulf between the generations, with a reasonably strong plurality (42% to 30%) of under-35s supporting compelled speech on pronouns, while the two older age groups take the opposite view.  It perhaps won't be a surprise that SNP voters believe misgendering is unacceptable, although the result is startlingly narrow (38% to 35%).  And, remarkably, a slim plurality of Labour voters (41% to 36%) favour free speech over compelled speech on this matter - a verdict that is at odds with the stance of both Keir Starmer and his radically different predecessor Jeremy Corbyn.

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A response to Professor John Robertson:  It belatedly came to my attention yesterday that Professor Robertson has made a number of angry ad hominem attacks on me as a result of this poll. That's disappointing but not remotely surprising - over the last few weeks he's attempted to leave a few snide comments on Scot Goes Pop, and for the most part I haven't let them through.  

If memory serves me right, Robertson's blog used to be called "Thought Control Scotland", and I now realise that wasn't an ironic title - or, if it was intended to be ironic, the only real irony lies in the fact that it was nowhere near as ironic as planned.  It's become scarily clear that thought control is in fact Robertson's cardinal belief.  His pattern of behaviour towards me actually goes back to an issue that was totally unrelated to gender or GRA reform.  Devi Sridhar, as long-term readers will know, is something of a heroine of mine (to such an extent that our resident anti-lockdown nutter always refers to her as "your girlfriend, James"), but I made one small criticism of something she said a few months ago - it was probably just about the only time during the pandemic that I queried her stance at all.  It was to do with schools, from what I recall - I thought she was too bullish about getting schools back to normality, or something like that.  Robertson jumped down my throat and instructed me to be unquestioningly accepting of everything that Devi Sridhar said in future, because she was the expert and I wasn't.  In other words, "stop thinking and shut up".  The glorious irony here is that unquestioning acceptance of "expert opinion" is precisely what got Britain into the Covid disaster of March/April 2020, and Sridhar was one of the people who pulled us out of that hole by teaching us to apply some critical thinking to the propaganda we were being fed in the false name of science.

But it appears that "stop thinking, shut up, and follow the leader without question" is Robertson's basic approach to every other subject too. I wonder if that's bound up in his background in far-left politics, ie. communist-style "democratic centralism" (that's just a guess, but I wouldn't be at all surprised).  When he started berating me and others on gender matters, he simply failed to make any sort of case whatsoever - he didn't make any positive argument in favour of GRA reform or self-ID, and he didn't even try to identify any flaws in the arguments of those who were opposed. Instead, he arrogantly demanded that the critics of GRA reform should simply stop talking about the subject.  The blogposts he's written about me and about the poll just amount to a massive "SHUT UP" - there's literally no other content there at all.

Self-ID opponents are being "boring", apparently. (The main thing required of allegedly boring people is, naturally, that they should shut up.)  They are "starting a moral panic about trans people", we're told.  (What is the only way to prevent Robertson from accusing you of starting a moral panic?  Why, by shutting up, of course.  Could trying to get you to shut up be his sole motivation for making the moral panic claim in the first place?  Perish the thought!)  I shouldn't, it seems, have asked a question in the poll about whether sexual assault victims should have the right to be examined by a biologically female doctor, because the asking of the question implies that there's a genuine issue there.  (Could Robertson be trying to prevent the question from ever being asked because he doesn't want the public to ever have the opportunity to say that they think there's a genuine issue there? Oooh, don't be so cynical!)  In fact, it turns out that neither I nor anyone else should ever commission a poll with any GRA-related questions in it at all, and we should instead be asking questions that Robertson - or, bizarrely, his daughter - personally find more interesting.  His daughter's suggestion was supposedly that I should instead have funded research into how to stop the abuse of women in the wake of the Sarah Everard tragedy.  I tell you what, John, if that's the poll you want to see, then why don't you commission and fund it, and then we'll observe you trying to maintain your composure as cretins come along and ask: "Why didn't you poll about starving children in Africa, Robertson?  Don't you care, man?  Your priorities - where the hell are they?"

The reality is, as I've pointed out before, that there has been polling done on just about every subject under the sun - including the consequences of the Sarah Everard case.  (See, for example, this Sky News report, posted this very day, about a YouGov poll.)  That being the case, the real question for Robertson and his fellow travellers is: why not the GRA? Why should that be the only subject that no-one is ever allowed to poll about?

Oh, and the other question for Robertson is: why are you fibbing, and pretending that I've said things that I quite plainly haven't?  
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23 comments:

  1. Deliberately using the wrong pronoun for someone would come over as a form of bullying. We saw something similar from UKIP's David Coburn in 2015 when he deliberately misnamed another candidate. https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13205905.ukips-david-coburn-deliberately-muddle-name-asian-snp-rival-euro-elections/

    Johnson used a similar bullying trick this week when he claimed Starmer was guilty of misconduct but deliberately mispronounced it as mishconduct because the company Starmer had spoken to was called Mishcon.

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    1. Yes, but no-one is talking about deliberately using the wrong pronoun, we're talking about deliberately using the *correct* pronoun, the disagreement is over what the correct pronoun is, and that really is a matter of opinion...

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    2. Johnson used a similar bullying trick this week when he claimed Starmer was guilty of misconduct but deliberately mispronounced it as mishconduct because the company Starmer had spoken to was called Mishcon.

      Isn't that just a lame dad joke? I don't see how it's in any way similar, in quantity or quality, to Coburn's antics.

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    3. Jonathan, you can identity as the Queen of Sheba or the Emperor Napoleon if it makes you happy but if you then insist that everyone else indulges your delusion by addressing you as Your Majesty it's you who is the 'bully'.

      I know some don't like hearing it but a human being cannot change sex. Even if a transwoman were to undergo surgery which (significantly) most don't, an anatomist of the future would still identify their skeletal remains as those of a male because sex is immutable.

      You may be comfortable dismissing other people's concerns as the 'tyranny of the majority' but this toxic subject has become more important than independence to many in the SNP and all to placate a tiny minority and gain 'brownie' points from Stonewall.






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  2. "Stop thinking, shut up and follow the leader without question"

    That is an appropriate motto for the SNP/ WGD numpties.

    Perhaps Mr Kavanagh should consider it for the top of his blog page.

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  3. It may be offensive and/or bad manners to KNOWINGLY not use someone's preferred pronouns but should it be a crime - no.

    Some women did not like the choice of Mrs or Miss and stated they wanted to be known as Ms. Was it made a crime if this choice was not used - no - and it was right not to make it a crime.

    Sturgeons government is turning into an authoritarian government.

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  4. Well well well. Campbell is back with his own poll conducted by Panelbase. It's all go with the polls these days. Campbell being back should be good news for you James as the numpties will direct their fire at him rather than you, particularly when they read some of its findings. Numpties will love the fact that they can get back to attacking Campbell but they will hate its findings.

    It's seems not all SNP voters are numpties. So how many numpties are there?

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    1. Of SNP voters Sturgeons greatest achievement was thought to be:

      Progress towards independence/a second referendum. 23%

      Protecting Scotland from a hard Brexit. 9%

      That 32% represent the numpties.

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    2. Where would my opinion fit in Campbell's Panelbase poll?

      Of SNP voters Sturgeons greatest achievement was thought to be:

      No significant achievements, things are worse now than when she took over 7%

      No significant achievements, things are much the same now as when she took over 10%

      So to summarise, 17% of SNP voters think Sturgeon in her 7 years as FM has made no significant achievements during her years in power and 7% think things are worse. Well I am in the 7%. Sturgeon has divided the Yes movement/SNP and made no effort to progress independence. So we are worse off.

      Looks like a significant number of SNP voters do not share the WGD numpties opinion that Sturgeon is some sort of word class leader and like me voted SNP purely for independence. How many of the 17%, like me, will not vote SNP again remains to be seen.

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    3. Now a further 8% of SNP voters think Sturgeons greatest achievement was the introduction of the baby box to Scotland. Now I am all for the baby box. I think they are great and were well implemented but is this really a significant achievement in 7 years in power. So a strong case can be made for adding the 8% to the 17% to give 25% of SNP voters who do not think Sturgeon has achieved anything significant.

      A quarter of SNP voters do not think Sturgeon is all that great and certainly not a world leading politician as the WGD numpties proclaim.

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  5. Being in the older age group I learned the correct use of pronouns. Why should I have to abandon my knowledge of and common usage of the English language because someone other person choses to mis-use a pronoun.

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  6. Why do we think it is that, on all these questions, women are significantly more accepting of the GRA reforms than men, despite the fact that the reforms are (or tend to be framed by opponents as) damaging to women's rights? While allowing that a plurality of women do oppose the proposals, doesn't this polling undermine the claim that they are harmful to them specifically?

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    1. No, because on most questions the gender gap was extremely small. This question was very much the exception.

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    2. And it's more than a "plurality", by the way - an absolute majority of women oppose self-ID.

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    3. But why is there a consistent gender split in this direction at all? If the reforms overwhelmingly adversely affect women, wouldn't it be expected that the largest part of the opposition would come from them?

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    4. A serious answer to your question, albeit one that may disappoint you, is that the difference between the genders may just be caused by meaningless sampling variation. On most of the questions (albeit not this one) it's small enough to be easily explained in that way.

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    5. Even if we regard men and women's views as statistically equal on this, that's curious in itself. One would expect a significant lead for opposition among women to an issue which disproportionately affects them. Men tend to record much more pro-life views than women, for example.

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    6. Stereotypical I know but isn't it just that women in general tend to be more conciliatory and empathetic in their treatment of others? I'm talking about real women of course, not the pantomime dames who pollute social media with misogynistic abuse - evidence in itself that they are not the 'women' they claim to be.

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  7. Misleading question. Framing it correctly would give more accurate results

    Some people argue that it is bigoted or transphobic to *CORRECTLY SEX* a PERSON PRETENDING *INCORRECTLY* TO BE THE OPPOSITE SEX OR NO SEX OR BOTH SEXES SIMULTANEOUSLY (*A SCIENTIFIC IMPOSSIBILITY*) - for example to refer to them as 'he' or 'him' if their preferred BUT INCORRECT pronouns are 'she' and 'her'. Others argue that forcing people - WHICH IN SCOTLAND COULD SEE YOU BEING CHARGED WITH A CRIME BY THE NEW HATE CRIME BILL - to use INCORRECT pronouns when referring to a PRTSON PRETENDING *INCORRECTLY* TO BE THE OPPOSITE SEX OR NO SEX OR BOTH SEXES SIMULTANEOUSLY (*A SCIENTIFIC IMPOSSIBILITY*) is an unacceptable attack on free speech. Which point of view do you find most persuasive?

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    1. What a dogs dinner of a mess of a post. A great example of how not to pose a question in a poll - complete gibberish.

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  8. Lesley Evans Sturgeons UK top civil servant is leaving at the end of the year.

    During Evans 6.5 years in situ she spent half of that time persecuting Salmond as instructed by Sturgeon and the latter part of her time lying to a Scottish Parliament Inquiry, lying to her own lawyers and disrespecting the Court of Session.. Sturgeon has given her glowing farewell comments congratulating her on the job she has done. So much for the WGD numpties that used to say that it was all Evans (British State) fault and Sturgeon (the innocent) would sort her out once the Inquiry was completed. Evans leaves with no sanctions/disciplinary action but a nice pension and a great big smile.

    What a bunch of WGD numpties.

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  9. I can see the benefit of transitioning from female to male: but male to female? Why would you wish to deliberately become part of a gender which earns 20% less than their male counterparts, even though it's been illegal for employers not to offer equal pay since 1967, a crime for which no employer has ever been sanctioned.

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  10. I stopped reading his blogs a while ago when he started sly bitchy comments about trans issues and the people fighting against the trans cult. Unfortunately Business for Scotland has slunk down the same rabbit hole with some of Gordon MacIntyre-Kemp's anti-Alba, Anti-Sturgeon and Non-Believer (In the cult) outbursts in the comments in the National. They all seem to be showing their true colour's and its very disappointing.

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