How the mighty have fallen. Just two years after her 'spectacular triumph' in the general election (ie. 'only' losing to the SNP by 8%), it genuinely does now look possible that Ruth Davidson is about to lead the Scottish Tories to an all-time electoral low. A second YouGov subsample in as many days has the Tories on just 10% of the Scottish vote for the European Parliament, which even with the help of proportional representation wouldn't be quite enough to retain the one seat they currently hold.
Britain-wide voting intentions for the European elections (YouGov):
Brexit Party 23% (-4)
Labour 22% (n/c)
Conservatives 17% (+2)
Greens 10% (n/c)
Liberal Democrats 9% (n/c)
Change UK 8% (+2)
UKIP 6% (-1)
SNP / Plaid Cymru 5% (+1)
Scottish subsample: SNP 42%, Greens 13%, Labour 11%, Conservatives 10%, Brexit Party 9%, Liberal Democrats 7%, UKIP 6%, Change UK 4%
Now remember these are just subsamples, and can't be regarded as reliable estimates of Scottish public opinion. But the pattern of low numbers for the Tories has been so consistent that it's hard to believe it doesn't reflect something real - and in any case YouGov appear to structure their Scottish subsamples more carefully than other firms do.
You know the drill by now - just regard this as "a bit of fun", but here is what the seat allocation would look like if the subsample happened to be exactly accurate...
SNP 4, Greens 1, Labour 1
The Tories would miss out altogether after being pipped for the final seat by the SNP. For what it's worth I think it's pretty unlikely that the SNP will take four seats in the real world. In past European elections they've tended to underperform what the opinion polls suggested, so it's easy enough to imagine them ending up in the low 30s, which hopefully would still be enough to take three of the six seats - the most they've ever had.
At Britain-wide level, the four-point drop in Brexit Party support in the space of one day looks a bit odd. It could just be random sampling variation, but I wonder if it was caused by respondents for today's poll only being asked the Euro-election question after being asked for their Westminster preferences. That might have put them into more of a 'Westminster mindset', which would be less favourable for Farage's mob. If the datasets are to be believed, yesterday's poll didn't appear to ask for Westminster voting intentions.
Strangely, there's also a ComRes poll out today that has the Brexit Party lagging in third place for the Euro elections. When I first saw it I wondered if it was a phone poll, because that would have been the most obvious explanation for such a wide disparity between two firms. But no, it's an online poll just like YouGov's, so the true position is anyone's guess.
Her fans in the media will no doubt be claiming shortly that this is 'because Ruth is off. Wouldn't be happening otherwise and is obviously no reflection on her leadership ability, which is the best ever seen anywhere'.
ReplyDeleteI totally agree, Ruth's nowhere to be seen. That'll be the reason for them doing badly, nothing to do with the mess of BrExit #personalityPolitics
DeleteI imagine it's misogynistic to mock tory performance while Ruth's on maternity leave. Homophobic for sure.
ReplyDeleteProbably transphobic somehow as well.
Can't say anything these days amirite
DeleteDon't worry. You can declare yourself a Yoon Idiot and get away with saying anything.
DeleteLol. Rent-free.
DeleteWe know what you like getting rent-free.
DeleteThere is no indignity or humiliation it won't gladly accept in the name of the Preciousss.
DeleteComres poll oot. I'm skiing, so someone else can check the Scots sample.
ReplyDeleteThis is what the yes movement has been reduced to - gloating over a drop in tory support in an election that doesn't even matter.
ReplyDeleteLeave needs to win this in Scotland or brexit must be cancelled. It's a Scotland only euref 2.
DeleteThe ComRes details here
ReplyDeletehttps://www.comresglobal.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Final-Brexit-Express-Snap-Poll-Tables.pdf
For Westminster SNP 39, Tory 21, Lab 18
Euro Elect SNP 42, Tory 21, Lab 13 Brxit and UKIP 7 each
Only 60 sample, so not enough to take seriously.
James - I would appreciate it if you could explain your position on personalising political debate. For example, your last two blog posts have highlighted Ruth Davidson in the title, whereas the actual story referred to party opinion poll results. In the Independence Referendum, a lot of us were unhappy about the MSM personalising the independence side by identifying it with Alex Salmond. I can see that personalising your headlines with the name of the Scottish Tory party leader is more catchy, and more likely to attract readers, but at the same time it diverts attention from what Tory-ism means as a political philosophy and how it operates within society. I realise that this is a boringly pedantic point to make. But when the next Independence Referendum comes around, we won't be happy if the case for an independent Scotland is simplified into a set of "Sturgeon wants" soundbites.
ReplyDeleteIf you are new to this blog, James writes the headlines a la tabloid copying the style of the Mail and Express.
DeleteBesides, the Tories have fought the most recent Westminster and Holyrood campaigns by hiding behind Ruth Davidson's personal popularity. All the leaflets were Ruthie writ large and Tory writ small.
DeleteNot THE John McLeod? We're honoured!
DeleteFeel free to piss off then, if a mildly satirical headline doth offend thee.
The Ruth Davidson for no 2nd referendum party has spent the last 4 years worth of elections campaigning under the ruth davidson says No Surrender banner. Every pretend newspaper and broadcaster in Scotland claimed that she personally won the 2016 and 2017 elections.
It is only fair to turn that back on them when she is so publicly hiding from impending calamity.
Hoi Marcia. You'd be better off scrubbing your floor's than spouting a load of politics you'll never understand. I hear your house is hoaching. Stick to your housework dearie.
DeleteMore fun and misogyny from Cordelia. Stench of it.
DeleteJohn McLeod: I am not presuming to speak for James, and I see the point you are making, but it's worth remembering that the Tories underplayed their identification as "Conservative" to a huge degree in the last election, so much so that the word was almost totally absent from some leaflets and posters. The Conservatives instead chose to identify as "Team Ruth" or "Ruth Davidson's Party", personalising the campaign and making it about her, whom they saw as an asset. As a result, it seems quite fair to highlight Davidson, now that her Team or Party are on the decline.
ReplyDeleteI have been following this blog for years - James is a talented writer and thinker. I have only just made the connection about the way that his writing personalises political analysis, and I am genuinely interested in his take on this question. It is quite an important question. For example, although most people are utterly disgusted by Tory policies, many regard Ruth Davidson as sensible and plausible. Once you get beyond her image, the landscape of Tory politics is a bit of a nightmare. By contrast, it seems to me that, even though the majority of people regard Nicola Sturgeon as very capable, when you get beyond her image what you find is a massive, creative, social movement that includes a wealth of ideas, and many powerful writers and speakers (such as James Kelly). So - as well as over-simplifying political debate, the strategy of personalisation plays into the hands of the right.
DeleteTa, John MacLeod for fleshing out your point. This does seem to be a valid discussion point and commentors have reminded themselves, and us, of just what Ruth's media methodology has been. But valid or not MSM are not motivated to present well supported constructs. They want profits. Profits from perpetually misleading their vast readership. Ruth fits the bill. She makes sure to present a message which fits.
DeleteShe makes no sense when judged against how to create and run a new small northern country.
Well, looking at UK-wide polls, we can forget a GE any time soon. Bad EU elections for Con + Lab would cement that. No f'n way the Tories are going to voluntarily put themselves out of power right now, and Cobyn absolutely doesn't want to finding himself left holding the big brexit can of shite.
ReplyDeleteTories need to deliver brexit to prevent utter meltdown to Brexit/UKIP/GammonsrUs. Corbyn's in a similar position, watching his nativist isolationist English anti-furriner 'socialist' dream slip away. An English nationalist Lab-Con formal coalition is the only way these two can hope to keep control / two party dominance. England is furious with them for not delivering brexit (while Scotland and N. Ireland are raging at them for working towards exactly that).
The undemocratic nature of the British political system is highlighted particularly quite well right now by the fact that as the Labour vote plummets, polls (based on uniform swings at least) start to temporarily show potential Labour majorities aka 2005 style. Public massively rejects them, yet they win and lead the country to total economic meltdown.
And a Labour UK government would make for an even bigger democratic deficit in Scotland. Polls suggest they've fallen to comfortably below 20%, meaning Scots are rejecting them on a truly epic scale. Corbyn would have even less mandate than May to roll back devolution and drag Scotland out of the single market so he could deliver England's brexit.
Back in the day Scotland used to 'Get the UK government it voted for' at least part of the time. Now, at least 70%+ have rejected the party in power in Westminster every time.
It's something people seem to forget. They imagine a labour victory saves the union somehow. Erm, while the Tories did worse than Thatcher in 2017, they still got 29% of those that turned out. Labour are polling 17% right now; they are far less popular than the 'hated Tories'.
"Back in the day Scotland used to 'Get the UK government it voted for' at least part of the time"
DeleteAbout what, 20% of the time?
On another topic.
ReplyDeleteThe revolting misandrist and all round man-stabbing MP known as jess phillips is always complaining that every single man is a rapist and she is under constant threat by everybody she sees.
Now that a man has said he would'n't even touch her with yours, she's all over the media claiming that not being raped is now a rape threat.
Could the feminazi horde please make their minds up as the whole situation is very confusing.
Not according to Charlene Tilton who is a commentator we should all be listening too. We listen and learn from an expert, albeit a very modest one.
DeleteYou know, Anonymous, you really should try talking to a woman. Once you get over your initial nervousness, you'll see they're just people like you and me.
DeleteAnonymous is a sperm still to be fertilised in womb or a wobby.
DeleteDisaster for Farage and Davidson.
ReplyDeleteI hear you tried living room reeks like a working man's social club.
DeleteCordelia there, describing its hovel.
DeleteHave you been able to keep an eye on poor mad leasky? He's only gone and made a, "Scotland bad," out of the mueller report. 10 out of 10 for effort. 0 out of 10 for the truth.
ReplyDeleteHis thread attacking the good Rev is a beauty too. Manages to tell some outright lies as usual. Even works in one about Wings and his followers doxxing poor beautiful Velma.
I mean pretend doctor J Jones and her fake degree in fakeness from fake university. The woman who stated that hundreds of ordinary Yes supporters were online bots and sockpuppet accounts and has never yet apologised to a single one of the people she traduced.
Are there any more flag waving days being arranged in Glasgow with the Scottish Nat sis and Irish Republican devients.
DeleteState of this.
DeleteThere's one planned and they're saying people can see it in 3D. What next?
DeleteI see that a planned British unionist flag waving day has been cancelled because they're not allowed to spit on the locals like last time.
Deletehttps://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/easter-sunday-loyalist-march-glasgow-14432026
I see the Nationalist flag waving parade has been cancelled https://twitter.com/LeonaONeill1/status/1119157615865413632
DeleteThis had been banned even before the tragic murder of a journalist, due to the rioting/throwing of petrol bombs at Irish people last time.
Sorry, but I don't see the relevance to Scotland? Not directly anyway. N. Ireland is under English/British [direct] rule / occupation, hence the violence there. The violence will only truly stop when the brits withdraw and imperial era partitioning of Ireland comes to an end. Unfortunately, while the GFA has been amazingly successful, violence is never far away; history tells us that if you occupy a bit of someone else's country, they'll always fight back to varying degrees, and there will never be real peace until the occupation ends.
DeleteAnyway, one question I have is how can N. Irish membership of the UK union be justified without any indicative poll* on support for that, while the province can be forced out of the EU union when people have recently voted overwhelmingly to stay in that?
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*The last comparable [and very questionable] vote we have was 1973. I wasn't even born. 58% voted for unionism, with 42% of the electorate voting to join the republic or boycotting it. The intervening decades have seen a continuous decline on unionism.
In both recent N. Irish parliamentary and for Westminster, voters rejected unionist parties in majority, meaning it can't be argued that N. Ireland clearly does want to be part of the UK. It's very open to question now.
What we do know is that they want to be part of the EU, and I suspect the EU elections will show this again very starkly.
Because the GFA says that a border poll does not have to be held unless polling suggests that the majority of the electorate would support reunification Something that has not happened. If this changes then off course there will have to be a border poll. This is why NI membership can be justified as its what is set out in the GFA.
DeleteOf course there is no occupation, NI is part of the UK as the overwelming majority of the NI population support it being so (as per the GFA). Ireland has given up its claim on NI and accepts that it will remain part of the UK unless the majority of the people in Northern Ireland want to join with Ireland. Sadly there is a small majority of people who can't seem to accept this and think its ok to kill people to try and force there opinions regarding NI (ie reunification) against the will of the majority of the population who want to remain part of the UK.
Of course nothing can change this (unless you don't support the GFA). If and when the polls change then there will be a border poll if not there will not, it really is that black and white.
of course 71% of the Northern Irish electorate and 94% of the RoI electorate voted in favour for NI to remain part of the UK, RoI to no longer have a constitutional claim on NI etc in '98
DeleteYou have not read the GFA. It doesn't mention polling anywhere.
DeleteThe unionists just lost 2 elections in a row; overwhelmingly rejected by the people of N. Ireland.
"NI is part of the UK as the overwelming majority of the NI population support it being so (as per the GFA)"
You need to provide evidence for this. And if this justification has any validity, then N. Ireland should stay part of the EU. We at least have evidence that people there are massive EU unionists. 2 recent elections and the EUreferendum tells us that.
The Good Friday Agreement states that "the Secretary of State" should call a referendum "‘if at any time it appears likely to him that a majority of those voting would express a wish that Northern Ireland should cease to be part of the United Kingdom and form part of a united Ireland.
ReplyDeleteIrish times poll:
"Just over a third of Northern voters want a referendum on Irish unity. If one was held, just 32 per cent would vote in favour of unity (ero 68% would not (overwelming majority)"
so nobody how claims to be a democrat can argue that the majority people of NI are showing that they want reunification currently.
Of course Brexit may well change that and polling would reflect this at which time a border poll would be required.
Glad we have got this all claeared up:)
It's called 'Northern Ireland' because it's part of Ireland, not part of a greater English Britainshire.
DeleteAnd, erm, that poll showed 42% Yes to total reunification 'tomorrow' (back in March actually) excluding DK. Only 45% backed the union, which highlights my point; a majority of people there are not unionists. Sure a majority don't seem to support reunification either, but let's not pretend it's clear.
And the poll was done before any campaign and before the province is forced out of the EU against its will.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/irish-times-poll-northern-ireland-voters-do-not-want-dup-tory-brexit-1.3818264
Also 46% (ec DK) for an immediate border poll, which is within statistical error a tie. Statistically half the population ready to have a poll right now. That's serious.
Some polls showed 70%+ No ahead of Scotland 2014, yet they only got 55%. So 42% Yes to reunification could easily be 57% on the day based on similar swings, and that's if we assume March's 42% isn't on the low side of MoE.
Anyway, evidence is real votes following campaigns where people have heard the arguments. There is no solid, actual vote evidence that people in N. Ireland support the union.
Unionists lost the last two elections 'overwhelmingly'; something that's never happened before.
That at least suggests it's no longer clear that there is a unionist majority. Your single poll is just that and very close within MoE; also rather dated.
Anyway, as I said, if we justify bits of Ireland being part of the UK union based on imaginary vote results, then the province should definitely get to stay completely in the EU union based on a very real 2016 referendum result.
And why not let e.g. those constituencies which favour reunification join the republic right now? The current border is totally arbitrary. If England/Britain can happily partition Ireland, why not actually partition based on voter support; the very reason give for the partitioning? Those constituencies that are pro-republican are 'occupied' based on your own logic as they support reunification. Only unionists constituencies could in any way be considered as 'voluntarily' in the UK.
Christ, if Germany had occupied Essex during the war and held onto it right up to now based on the argument that the German migrants it had supplanted there wanted to it to be part of Germany, there'd be fucking uproar and calls for the army to move it. Yet Britain holding on to a bit of Ireland is just fine because the paddies should 'know their place'.
Anyway, I have our 27 neighbours on my side and, nicely, the Americans are jumping in too. It's only England that things the N. Ireland situation is ok. The world, like me, thinks it's an abomination and the GFA all that's keeping the UK from serious sanctions.
Christ, if Germany had occupied Essex during the war and held onto it right up to now based on the argument that the German migrants it had supplanted there wanted to it to be part of Germany, there'd be fucking uproar and calls for the army to move it.
DeleteIf the majority of the people wanted to stay part of 'Germany' then that's what should happen. To suggest otherwise would be nationalistic rubbish. Hence why NI is still part of the UK, a majority of people dont want it to be part of the RoI. Latest poll has support for staying in the UK at 58%.
Only a hardcore nationalist would suggest that NI should be part of the RoI when the majority don't support it. Any country suggesting this happening would be advocating breaking the GFA which says that the majority of the NI electorate has to support reunification for it to happen.
* Latest poll has support for staying in the UK at 58%. excluding DK
DeleteSo you are now arguing firmly that N. Ireland and Scotland should stay in the EU? After all, that is what they support; and areas which 'apparently' support staying in unions should get to do so.
DeleteLondon could join them, along with all the areas of England that voted Remain. If Ireland can be partitioned, then so can England. Gibraltar should of course stay in the EU; no question about that being their desire!
With respect to these areas maybe rejoining the brexited UK at a later date, Junker can grant them referendums on this if he feels there is sufficient support locally.
Agreed?
Coming back to 'occupation'. That's what it is. It's why there's an international peace treaty covering it. One brokered by the US and registered with the EU. It covers 'Northern Ireland', part of the ancient kingdom - and now republic - of Ireland. A country that voted for independence democratically, but the brits refused to accept that democratic result, invaded it, tried to violently overturn the result, then partitioned the north when that failed. This led to decades of violence.
This is why the US, EU and the rest of the international community are making it clear N. Ireland will be stating in the single market and not leaving with the rUK.
Sometimes you need to face reality. Your response to Germany occupying Essex shows how detached from this you are.
Nobody globally thinks the Northern Ireland being part of the UK is ok. But the GFA us the compromise that's been agreed, and Ireland has gained such huge respect for it's stance here.
'Registered with the UN', obviously.
DeleteI have repeatedly said what needs to happen for reunification to happen for NI to stay in the EU (via reunification). I have no opinion either way to if the choose to do so or not; i don't live there its nothing to do with me, you are the one that seems to be saying that the people who live there should not be given that choice.
DeleteAs for Scotland if they want to stay in the EU then the UK has to stay in the EU. Brexit or Independence results in Scotland leaving the EU. An indy Scotland could then apply to join the EU. You would have to ask the Scottish Government why they have not triggered a indy referendum thus far.
What, England needs to deem there's enough support to grant the people of the bit of Ireland it occupies the opportunity to vote? How kind. The benevolent imperial English. Should it not be at least up to the people of northern Ireland and their parliament?
DeleteAnd lol, still using the old 'You'll be oot the EU if you vote for indy' canard. Dear god, right in the middle of brexit; the greatest fuckup and national humiliation in English history.
That's what the 'registered with the UN' GFA agreement says yes:
DeleteThe Good Friday Agreement states that "the Secretary of State" should call a referendum "‘if at any time it appears likely to him that a majority of those voting would express a wish that Northern Ireland should cease to be part of the United Kingdom and form part of a united Ireland.
This was agreed by all parties and ratified by referendum in both south and north Ireland.
It is the Belfast Agreement. Religious fruitcases seem to think it is something else.
DeleteCordelia shouldn't talk about its DUP heroes like that.
Delete"to form a united Ireland."
DeleteAs opposed to a divided Ireland. Partitioned. Families split down the middle. A border where there never was one before. Watchtowers and with English jackboots marching in the streets. Irish internment camps. Walls built around to cut off Irish homes and stop their free movement.
The English SoS gets to personally decide when people can vote for change the message is always 'Now is not the time'.
Not an occupation though.
Which is when the entire international community is right behind Ireland on the GFA. The UK is in the wrong, at least with the GFA it made some moves in the right direction. Ireland very, very graciously accepted these. So it is backed to the hilt by all the neighbours.
Good to see the US recently jumping in to make it 100% clear any post-brexit trade deals won't be covering NI as the GFA must be respected (so full free movement of goods, cash, services and all EU citizens. The border will be in the Irish sea.
So this is all mute I suppose as reunification, if just in all but name, is inevitable with a single market exit.
There's little doubt the recent US interventions are closely associated with the Con-Lab English nationalist coalition talks. The DUP are being dumped, as are the extremists in the ERG. N. Ireland is being handed to the republic via the backstop. There was never going to be any other way; the GFA is to intimately interwoven with the single market and it's 4 freedoms.
Oh dear, you actually think there is going to be a hard Brexit? You actually think that the Conservative / Labour talks are going to come to anything? I know you want them to, its something to add to your daily anti English/British posts (a core staple of nationalism blame other countries for everything) but its not going to happen.
DeleteLabour is going to come out for a second ref in the near future (you can tell that just be the candidates they have selected for the EU elections). They will be standing shoulder to shoulder with the SNP then, i'm sure there will be plenty more selfies of Nichola and high profile Labour politicians / labour members to reinforce how close they are. Then a second ref will come probably pitting Mays deal vs remain, which would lead to a comfortable remain victory.
Anyhow done this to death now, so leave it there, enjoy your Easter.
You clearly don't know me at all.
DeleteI'd rather brexit was cancelled; I've said this enough times on this blog. I voted Remain, i.e. in an attempt to stop brexit. My vote could well have stopped brexit if there had been just a few more remain votes. It was pretty tight.
I voted to be in union with the rUK nations in 2014 (for Scotland to be in the EU/EEA alongside them) and in 2016 (same again). I continue to support multi-state unionism with full free movement (most important to me), just not jingoistic isolationist anglo-centric British nationalistic unionism.
Scotland becoming an equal EU union partner alongside England, Ireland all all the other neighbours would be a fair bit simpler if brexit is cancelled. So, I sincerely hope the UK stays at least in the single market. A soft brexit would be ideal, and we can kick off the next iref, in due course, with ~47% yes 'tomorrow' as baseline. Independence on its merits, not desperately trying to escape a burning building crashing down in flames, is what I've always advocated.
However, I know that Lab and Con do readily go into coalition with each other when their dominance is threatened. See BetterTogether and councils across Scotland. So, it would not surprise me at all if we see our grand English nationalist coalition come to fruition and that takes us out of the EU with May's hard brexit (out of the single market and no free movement) plan. Corbyn's customs union is no different; still a rock hard brexit, but without the ability to strike trade deals, which is just stupid. Either sees the UK start to break up as N. Ireland remains in the single market with full free movement (to maintain the GFA under international pressure).
Anyway, thanks for the political sparring. Have a good easter too.
Interesting that the media has ignored much of the recent trouble in NI until the tragic death of the young journalist. Even then, the killing was not contextualised in Brexit. However, a poll on unification is a troublesome on for both communities in NI as there is a lot to weigh up. For example, would you vote to end free health care? A visit to A&E for example would cost 100 Euro. Politics is not the only driver for voting - issues still matter. In the present circumstances a balance of losing the benefits offered by the EU and those of the UK.
ReplyDeleteInteresting that the media has ignored much of the recent trouble in NI until the tragic death of the young journalist. Even then, the killing was not contextualised in Brexit. However, a poll on unification is a troublesome one for both communities in NI as there is a lot to weigh up. For example, would you vote to end free health care? A visit to A&E for example would cost 100 Euro. Politics is not the only driver for voting - issues still matter. In the present circumstances a balance of losing the benefits offered by the EU and those of the UK would have to be weighed up.
DeleteA visit to A&E costs nothing up front in Ireland if you've a doctor's note. If you are on a low income and have a medical card (~30% of folks) all medical treatment is covered by the government (from taxation etc). For higher earners, it's heavily subsidized, with many services not charged for.
DeleteIn the UK, we all pay monthly for the NHS, including A&E, at least if we are in working and earning enough. I prefer this model ('fully public'), but from what I can see, it would cost me less in Ireland for the same level of treatment as things stand. That would likely be attractive to many Irish voters on the right (more unionist normally). Could make for an interesting campaign!
If only there was such a thing as 'free' healthcare!
'Northern Irish voters on the right...'
DeleteHello Skier - I wrote the original post on this and actually you are correct on this. My own experience goes back a long way before changes were made (I had to pay for A&E with additional cost for x-ray etc.). Thanks for the correction.
DeleteORB UK Westminster poll. Scotland subsample.
ReplyDelete42% SNP
17% Con
15% Lab
8% Green
7% Brexit
5% Lib
2% CHUK
2% UKIP
SNP + Green 50%, so the SNP might expect close to that under FPTP.
Tory and Labour votes crashing, with them losing notably to the Sweaty Gammon Party.
May latest UK subsample PoP averages for Scotland.
ReplyDeleteWestminster VI (changes on 2017):
46(+9)% SNP
20(-9)% Con
17(-10)% Lab
6(-2)% Lib
4(+4)% Green
3(+3)% UKIP
50% for SNP+Green. David Mundell will soon need to trigger a border poll to see if Scots want to remain part of the UK.
Both polls have SNP plus green is 50%. How many seats is that , prob. ???
ReplyDeleteWell, at least 50 or so. If Green transferred to SNP under FPTP, then 2015 levels, which is almost all of them.
DeleteStravinsky was a Charlotte Anne. A damned Charlotte Anne.
ReplyDeleteScottish skier is probably the most anti prodestant onion ist bigot to grace any website. He has missed his mission in life, a suicide bomber.
ReplyDeleteThe Irish side of my family was protestant; from Ballymena.
DeleteMy British [Scottish] side were catholic.
You are just an imbecile who'd struggle to count his own fingers.
GWC,
DeleteYou say:
"Scottish skier is probably the most anti prodestant onion ist bigot to grace any website. He has missed his mission in life, a suicide bomber."
I know our good host loves his commitment to freedom of speech, but you, sir, have just gone beyond that.
What, if I were to say that you were a UDA nutter with a bomb? [That, probably is enough in it's self to make you, GWC, a person 'of interest' to our fucked up security forces. And, before you say it, I too would be suspect.]
I could at least try to wriggle out of that, you, you would be in an orange jump suit, and then what? I'd have to try to rescue you.
You, sir, are as thick as mince.
Goodness me Scottish /Irish fascism at its best. I love Galloways mince an Scottish tatties
DeleteCordelia the self-cooking gammon there, calling everyone fascists. Total failure of self-awareness.
DeleteAh Anonymous the man who ate the boiled ham raw. I see your new IRA pals have admitted killing the young journalist. They are soo sorry. It was an ND we were aiming at some prodetants.
DeleteCordelia was guttered again, and it wasn't even 10am.
DeleteThe Domestos-swilling Yaxley-Lennon fan thinks I'm an IRA supporter - thanks, but I don't hold with violence as a political tool. I'm more influenced by King, Gandhi and Havel. Further, the future for Northern Ireland should be decided by the people living there - not me, and certainly not a rancid bigot like Cordelia.
Does anybody remember when Katie Khaleesi was outed by the disgusting haggerty and vanished from twatter? Remember the outrage and how badly she was missed.
ReplyDeleteNow she's back and happily cheering on random yoons and the tranny-fannies.
Does anybody else think it wasn't worth it?
Fuck's a tranny-fanny?
DeleteGhastly vulgarity. Ghastly.
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