Sunday, June 25, 2023

In spite of Team Humza's optimistic attempts to use the heckler incident to turn their man into Gandhi, the polling evidence continues to suggest he's leading the SNP to big losses at the general election

The team around Humza Yousaf obviously felt they'd pulled off a masterstroke yesterday by quietly changing the definition of victory for whatever-they-think-they're-seeking-a-mandate-for-at-the-general-election ("we've narrowed it down to two!").  Now they'll claim to have won if they come out of the election with most seats, with no requirement for an absolute majority of the popular vote.  The radical end of the independence movement is furious with the SNP for re-embracing independence as primarily a way of saving seats at Westminster, but to the extent that's what's going on, it doesn't actually bug me.  As I've said many times, although independence will probably only happen after Yousaf is replaced as leader, there needs to be something left for his successor to inherit.  The situation may not be recoverable if, hypothetically, Kate Forbes were to take over after the general election with the SNP having just been reduced to six, or to two, Westminster seats.  So the self-interest of the careerists at Westminster and the interests of the independence cause do actually overlap to some degree, at least in this particular scenario.

However, what does not overlap is the self-interest of those MPs and Yousaf's own self-interest as leader, because the evidence continues to grow that his personal unpopularity is leading us all onto the rocks.  The latest straw in the wind is the Scottish subsample from the newest GB-wide YouGov poll, which shows the SNP slipping into second place: Labour 37%, SNP 32%, Conservatives 11%, Greens 10%, Liberal Democrats 5%, Reform UK 1%. YouGov's subsamples are of more interest than those from other firms because they seem to be correctly structured and weighted, meaning the only problem is the small sample size - which admittedly is still more than enough to produce highly misleading individual results.  So we'll have to wait to see whether this new result is a red herring or not, but it coincides with an Opinium poll showing the SNP slipping to an unusually low 2% of the GB-wide vote.

It's all very well shifting the goalposts to make "victory" easier, but if you then end up falling short of your new much lower target for a win, you're going to have egg all over your face.  Once again, I can only urge SNP parliamentarians and members to face up to the problem of the Yousaf leadership before it's too late.  If it's a straight choice between a little pain now in the shape of a second leadership election, and a lot of pain later in the shape of a crushing general election defeat, the decision ought to be a no-brainer.  Unfortunately, though, Team Humza are using the incident with the heckler yesterday (which won't have impressed the public in the slightest) to try to shore up their guy's position within the party by weaving a mythology that he is some sort of Gandhi figure.  I thought the way he handled the situation was interesting, and it certainly contrasted sharply with the approach to hecklers taken by Tony Blair - who tended to whip up Labour conferences into a state of righteous outrage by booming "go on, sir, make your protest, but just thank GOD you live in a free country where protest is allowed!", drowning out the hecklers' words as they were speedily manhandled out of the hall by bulky security-men, thus demonstrating powerfully that this is a country in which they do not in fact have a right to protest.  But perhaps the distinction between Yousaf and Blair is one without a difference, given that a BBC journalist later noted that Yousaf "helped" the heckler out of the hall - an interesting use of the word "helped" unless she actually wanted to leave.  The full-on invasion of her personal space didn't seem entirely solicited either.

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20 comments:

  1. As someone who (reluctantly) voted for Yousaf it is clear to me that he is falling well short of the minimal expectations we had of him. Propping him up is unhelpful, as the prospect of him avoiding catastrope at the UK General Election is negligible. At the current time supporting his efforts is helping unionism and achieving nothing else.

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  2. I am starting to think the SNP is unrecoverable. It's a shame that they let the chance of independence slip through their hands due to the ego of the party leader, intoxicated by the fervour of press and public adulation of her performance during the Covid period - which actually wasn't that special. The almost daily platform allowed her to feel presidential, without being a president. The rest of the party had their own reasons for forgetting the primary reason for the party's existance, and some actually not really believing in independence, the SNP just being a vehicle for their political aspirations. Many just wanting to press their own guff on an unsuspecting Scottish public, delivering policies that no-one voted for (they voted for independence they just didn't read the small print). The result being that when the SNP become labour you might as well vote labour. It's like in England, when labour become more Tory you might as well vote Tory. What we have in Scotland now is that all major parties are almost indistinguishable and none of then believe in independence. There is only one party that stands our as different to the rest and that is the Green party. No, not because they are environmentalists (they're not particularly good at that) but because they are completely crackers and incompetent crack pots at that. However, the SNP are catching them up on that.

    As for Humza Yousaf's dodgy 'defacto-manifesto-legal route' it is not Schrodinger, it's not half way house, it's not maybees aye maybees naw, if it is not clear then it is NOT a real drive for independence. It is purely another lie. And sadly that's what people perceieve the party to be now, a bunch of liers. Sadly, they deserve these poll resultts and perhaps they need a kicking to clear out the dross. The party has been corrupted. If only there was something the public could do about it but in reality we are powerless, all we have is our vote and apart form a couple of them I, like many, really don't like any of these people. I don't even think removing Humzah would help, it's political gravity now they are falling and there's no parachute.

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    1. "if it is not clear then it is NOT a real drive for independence. It is purely another lie"

      I don't agree with that, because if a manifesto states at the outset "a vote for the SNP is a vote for independence", and if a majority of the vote is won on that basis, the significance would be hard to ignore. However the details layered onto the plan are a dog's breakfast. It's a classic case of killing through detail. It should simply be "vote SNP and we'll negotiate an independence settlement", full stop.

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    2. Too on for this bridge, but... So many of them seem to be Devo-tolerant, even Union-friendly; would you actually trust them to negotiate a fair settlement? I'm not sure I would.

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    3. Yes, James it would be hard to ignore, but they would ignore it. That's the problem and you are correct . " It should simply be "vote SNP and we'll negotiate an independence settlement", full stop." That's clear, but that's not what they have said. I have voted so many times for the SNP thinking I was voting for one thing and then finding out 'duh' it was sort of that but it was something else entirely. I think many people have had it if they do not make it clear and again they have failed to do that.

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    4. It has to be made absolutely watertight in the manifesto, that a win for the SNP in the General Election (on seats as he said today) means the start of Independence negotiations, and failing that, UDI. There, I used the initials.

      And perhaps they now need to be used publicly a lot more. What an embarrassingly humiliating global laughing stock event it would be for the UK State if an internal part was forced to UDI by the State's lack of internal democracy.

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  3. The catastrophe would be for Yousaf to avoid electoral catastrophe and achieve a middling sort of result at the GE. Just about a majority of Scottish seats on less than 40% of the vote won't be enough to be taken seriously by the international community but it will be enough to keep Humza in a job. This is the most likely scenario.

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    1. I fundamentally disagree with that. On the current trajectory, if Humza remains as leader, the most likely outcome at the general election is that the SNP will be defeated by Labour.

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    2. Although not something I welcome, that would be fascinating. Because the next Holyrood election would be a midterm on Starmer’s rule of Scotland within a very very British Britain. If Humza was thrown out at that point, I think it could be a very lively battle between the two different visions of Scotland: independent or compliant and British, during the two years or so between the elections. That contrast might actually focus minds and hearts, albeit from a very tough starting position.

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  4. If I vote SNP in the GE it’s to vote for trans rights. Oh wait - that’s not true, I’d be voting for Indy. But without a clear one line binary manifesto, any majority of SNP MPs could be interpreted as being partly for my first statement or a million other things.

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  5. Do you believe that it would cause long lasting resentment in the party if Humza faced an autumn leadership challenge from Ash?

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    1. No, but I don't think a challenge from her would dislodge him anyway. A stalking horse challenge from a more unlikely quarter might be more effective.

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    2. Ash Regan's card is marked

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  6. It would be totally hilarious if it was Yousaf led us to Independence in 2025 just 1 year after the UK GE, and everyone was buying statues of him in the style of Éamon de Valera.

    Stranger things have happened ...

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    1. Am afraid stranger things have never happened.

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    2. Éamon de Valera led Ireland to independence? Eventually. He certainly led Ireland to civil war. Afterwards he helped turned the Free State into the Republic of Ireland.

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  7. I dont think it would be much different with Kate Forbes as leader, not as far as policy for independence goes anyway, she seems to be more for devolution than independence, her and Humzas independence stratedgy is straight from Alister Jacks sugestion/instruction that we need 60% in the polls for a sustained time before a referendum can even be thought about.
    All rather sad.

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  8. I thought he touched that woman's arm! Didn't Alex Salmond face court proceedings for touching a clothed arm on a dancefloor?

    Felix

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  9. I see Salmond says Yousaf has put independence on the road to nowhere.
    I thought Sturgeon had already done that!

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