Thursday, May 2, 2024

Thoughts on John Swinney's declaration, and Alba's controversial vote yesterday

John Swinney has finally declared, and as I said yesterday, he was always going to have to address the suspicion that he'd be an interim leader.  He's now said that he would lead the SNP through both the general election and Holyrood election, although that still leaves open the question of how far beyond the Holyrood election he would go.

We now wait to see if Kate Forbes will take him on or has done a deal with him.  I hope she takes him on, but if she's done a deal I hope she's settled for nothing less than a dual role as Deputy First Minister and a senior Cabinet brief, most likely Finance Secretary again.  If she ends up in a middle-ranking position, she'll have sold herself way short.

Meanwhile, I'll address my own party Alba's controversial decision to vote to bring down the SNP government yesterday.  It was obvious from Chris McEleny's explanation that he knew this was dangerous territory, because he was at pains to play down the importance of the vote, dismissing it as "performative" and "irrelevant".  In which case, my question is: why get sucked in at all?  Why not abstain?  In that way you avoid a backlash while still demonstrating to the SNP that they won't get support in return for nothing.

I wonder if the Alba leadership overestimate the extent to which independence-supporting voters have kept up to speed with the evolution of the party's culture.  It might be assumed that it's obvious to everyone that Alba is a militantly anti-SNP party and voting down the SNP government will thus be seen as just the sort of thing Alba does.  I'm not sure that's the case at all.   I think this will be a defining moment for many people in their perceptions of what sort of party Alba is, and they might be confused and dismayed by what they've just seen.  They might remember the calls for people to vote Alba in 2021 to build a 'pro-independence supermajority', and if so they may wonder how voting with unionist parties to try to topple a pro-independence government is consistent with that prospectus.

I know there's a feeling within Alba that many people are dissatisfied with the SNP while remaining strongly in favour of independence, and that if you could just convince them that there's a credible pro-independence option that is as critical of the SNP as they are, their votes might just go to Alba rather than Labour.  But realistically Alba's best chance of winning seats in 2026 is to persuade SNP constituency voters to back Alba on the list, and that'll be a lot harder if SNP supporters feel that Alba just want to frustrate or topple an SNP government, rather than work with it to deliver independence.  That doesn't mean they want Alba to be an SNP fan club, but it does mean they'd expect constructive opposition on specific policies rather than outright hostility to the very existence of an SNP government.

So, with the best will in the world, I do think a tactical mis-step was made yesterday.  But it's done now, and we'll just have to see how it plays out.

28 comments:

  1. Tactical, maybe, but is that not the problem across the board in Holyrood, tactical/immediate/get us to next weeks screw up type thrashing around, or is someone starting to do strategy? Dunno, losing a battle to win a war is sore but maybe basic foundations, indy, women's right and competency being laid as genuine red lines. KF shouldn't touch a deal, only sully her more, Harvey will throw a strop anyway or they all ensure she can do nothing.

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  2. I really appreciate that despite being an Alba member and on Alba committees you continue to post honestly.

    I think the way the whole situation was handled by Alba was a huge mistep. Alba have not made any sort of breakthrough so in order to succeed in 2026 they need the list votes and goodwill of SNP voters and independence supporters in general.
    Voting with the unionists to vote down a pro-independence government will not bring them that quite the opposite
    I don’t know why Salmond was all over the media - well I do he couldn’t resist. But you don’t negotiate by saying ‘Ash Regan is the most powerful MSP’. Then spend the rest of the time making varied demands from electoral pact to Grangemouth while hogging the media spotlight.
    The Sunday Mail front page sealed Humza’s fate.
    I don’t know why they didn’t just immediate say ‘we agree the BHA had to end. Humza has done right and we support him’ and spend the rest of the time having a go at the Greens and let Ash front everything.
    It just seems very hard for Alba to come back from this
    It would have been Salmond’s decision but seems a mistake

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  3. It's not just hostility to an SNP government though is it. It's hostility to this particular SNP government. If voters see Alba propping up an unpopular government just for their own ends, they'll be seen through too.

    Sometimes a government needs to be given a kick up the aarse. It was a tricky decision.

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    1. Agreed. The sheep loving Wokes wont agree with you though.

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    2. As James said in his post, the sensible choice was to abstain. As ever, I find that too many Alba supporters are just as incapable of criticising the party or Dear Leader as the SNP are.

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    3. What on earth does Wokes mean?

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  4. Anyone remember the SNP being accused of voting with the Tories to bring down a Labour government? That was getting on for 50 years ago and it is still regularly trotted out. Good luck getting the SNP to forgive and forget Alba voting with the unionists to bring them down.

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    1. Grow up. The SNP are a Party of anti Indy Wokes.

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    2. Anon 1pm, this is the sort of patter that goes down a storm on Twitter, but gets ordinary voters whose entire lives aren’t devoted to social media looking at you askance.

      If this is the prevailing attitude among Alba members, I dare say James has his work cut out for him, dragging you all back to something resembling reality.

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    3. Aye. This is the stain that won't wash.

      Alba could have fairly abstained (by far the best decision) or rallied against the Brits (the emotional choice). Actively siding with the Tories however, that's a nightmare of a mistake.

      I honestly can't wrap my head around what Ash did. And it didnae even work!

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  5. The SNP is no longer a Party of Scots Indy James. Voting to bring the anti Scots Indy Wokes down was the right thing to do.

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  6. That man Douglas Ross is so horrible, if we didn't have the trojan horse of Labour who helps the unionists, It would be much easier to get Independence

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  7. Perhaps the question is whether Swinney can get the Greens to pass a budget with Forbes as Deputy First Minister & Finance Minister?
    After all, the notoriously thin-skinned & vindictive zealots in the Greens would regard the budget as being “HER!” budget.
    Of course the budget could pass with support from another Party but the adolescents such as Given would depart in a strop (nae loss there).
    Meanwhile:
    The first post Yousaf resignation Scottish sub-sample. YouGov, Westminster voting intention, field work 30 Apr - 1 May, sample population 175
    Con 15% seats 7 (+1)
    Lab 37% seats 40 (+39)
    LibDem 3% seats 2 (0)
    SNP 27% seats 8 (-40)

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  8. Forbes has withdrawn!

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    1. We are so fucked.

      Swinney (nice guy) till after the Holyrood election with just 47 SNP MSPs left standing based on the latest yougov. probably only 3 Greens after they're punished by the electorate.

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    2. Sad news indeed. Hard hats and flak jackets, everyone. The parties of independence are going to lose a lot of seats, in both parliaments.

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    3. My attempt at understanding Kate's choice:

      1. Swinney offered her Finance and Deputy First Minister
      2. She thinks Rishi could call a general election in the next few weeks
      3. She reckons Swinney will resign if the SNP take significant losses
      4. She wants to be the establishment shoe-in candidate to replace him

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    4. Another idea:

      5. She saw the Greens cave in yesterday—while Alba was busy having an episode—and she knows they're all talk, nae troosers
      6. She reckons the Greens will work with Swinney, even with her in a position of prominence, and that this could rehabilitate relations between them
      7. Because whatever she inherits from Swinney will likely need alliance with the Greens
      8. If she was elected SNP leader by the party, the Greens would be out to get her. This way, they can be brought back on ship.

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  9. I was prepared to give the benefit of the doubt. Wrong button as 4 MSPs did last September. Confusing voting for the VONC with voting for the Government. Maybe even thinking that it could cause an Extraordinary General Election. But no, none of these.

    Voting against a supposedly pro-indy Government out of a huff was a huge mistake. And it would have been the same for the Greens in their huff if Yousaf hadn't jumped before he was pushed and called the Green's bluff - or forced THEM to vote against a pro-indy Government.

    Personally I'm afraid. with the current leadership I wouldn't trust either party when it comes to Independence. The SNP aren't much better.

    Still, the sun is shining and it's a lovely day. Just not for Indy.

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  10. John made a very good launch today with a message which will not quickly be forgotten.

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    1. Actually, I can't remember what he said.

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    2. Swinney's skill, as noted by Prof. Curtice, is the art of saying absolutely nothing.

      Quite what the voters make of that…

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    3. I dozed off.

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  11. The wrong decision has been made, but I suppose now we just have to wait to see what Forbes has gotten out of it.

    Swinney would be wise to make a big show of bringing her into the top team, rather than do the Humza Special and boot her out the door.

    Hopefully, as an older man near the end of his career, he’ll also return to the Salmond doctrine of elevating future successors as early as possible, rather than the Sturgeon doctrine of insecurity and brooking no competition - which has been responsible for most of the convulsions of the past few years.

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    1. I agree with everything you just said except for one factual detail: Forbes rose to the top under Nicola. Sure, Sturgeon later knifed her in the back in the leadership contest, out of the exact fear you described. But somehow, Forbes rose to prominence in Nicola's time on top. Maybe she's just got that much talent.

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  12. But then again morally it was the right thing to do. The SNP are corrupt. Sometimes doing what's right is unpopular.

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  13. I'm finished with Alba... It was a step too far
    There's no circumstances I'd side with unionists
    Abstaining was the better option

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  14. But the SNP are devolutionists. Is that not the same as unionist.

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