Saturday, November 30, 2024

Ironically, the success of the unusual coalition model from the Greens' point of view probably means it will never be repeated

It now looks like Fianna Fáil will top the first preference vote in the Irish general election, despite the exit poll last night putting them third.  Some people are claiming that means the exit poll was a "dud", but that's pushing it a bit - the top three parties were all within 1.6 percentage points of each other in the exit poll, so due to the in-built margin of error, the poll could still have been "right" no matter which of the three came out on top.

On one point the exit poll certainly wasn't misleading - the Green party, which was the junior partner in the outgoing coalition government, is taking a hammering.  This seems to be a recurring pattern for the Irish Greens every time they join a government, and is also a common phenomenon for junior coalition partners across Europe.  What tends to happen is that people who are satisfied with a government gravitate towards voting for the senior coalition partners at the subsequent election (those parties are "the government" in voters' eyes), while those unhappy with the government will be angry with the junior coalition partners for compromising on their principles.

Strangely, though, the Scottish Greens seemed to be immune to that general rule - they took part in a government for almost three years, did some very controversial things, and yet their popularity didn't dip at all.  If anything, it was the SNP who took a hammering for the concessions they made to the Greens, rather than vice versa.  That can be explained by the unusual model of coalition that was adopted, with the Greens taking ministerial roles but not in the Cabinet, and with a number of policy areas excluded from the deal.  That allowed the Greens to pose as either a government party or an opposition party depending on what suited them at any given moment.  In her recent controversial article, Kezia Dugdale said "OK, it technically wasn't a coalition", but actually the opposite is true - it technically was a coalition, but the Greens somehow managed to hypnotise everyone into pretending that it wasn't.

Ironically, the sheer effectiveness of the deal from a Green point of view probably means that the model used will never be repeated - any potential senior coalition partner will be wary and will insist that the junior partner is either all in or all out.

18 comments:

  1. I assume the Green's core vote is youth? Anecdotally, there seem to be a lot of people who are older, who in the past gave the Greens a second vote, who won't touch them since the BHA turned sour.

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    1. I voted Green on the list from 1999 through 2016. I was delighted to elect Robin Harper to the very first Scottish Parliament of the democratic era. Sure, he's a unionist, but it never even came up until indyref, and I supported the Greens for their environmental agenda anyway.

      By 2021, I was thoroughly scunnered with them. The break came when they purged Andy Wightman out of the party. What the land-reform? The hell was going on in there? So I gave Alba a shot instead.

      The BHA was after my time as a Scottish Green supporter. I'd turned my back on them, as they have lost the plot.

      I’m glad there's not been a Holyrood election since, because I honestly don't know who I'd vote for now. The Scottish Greens are still awful, the SNP is obviously Devolutionist, and, well, Alba is Alba. I abstained in the 2024 colonial election, because f*** London Rule anyway, but I can't see abstaining from Scotland's own election.

      The Scunnered Middle lives on.

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  2. Why did the SNP even go into such a formal agreement with the Greens in the first place? It was nothing but a disaster from the off.

    Did they no longer have the confidence of running a minority Government?

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    1. Because it was a perfect fit at the time. The hard left captured SNP were at their science denying peak and the Greens were happy to join in the bat5hit craziness.
      The trouble started when their nonsense ideologies hit the real world like a watermelon dropped from a bridge onto concrete.

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    2. The hard left captured the SNP.
      If only they had.

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  3. Looks like Gerry 'the monk' Hutch might get a seat.

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  4. The Greens wasted hundreds of millions while in Coalition, then picked the new leader of the SNP, Yousaf, then when he had the sense to ditch them from the disastrous Bute House Submission, forced him to resign by threatening to throw their toys out the pram. Which they did anyway and are still doing.

    If the Scottish Greens ever get anywhere near Government again Scotland will go bust.

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  5. Disappointing that ALBA supporters boo SNP representatives at Salmonds funeral. Yet welcome with open arms the unionist representatives. Also inappropriate that Nicola was not invited.

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    1. Or you, Dr. Jim, which was most disappointing of the family.

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    2. Nicola was too busy attending the funeral of vile racist Janey Godley.

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    3. Nice that you went out of your way to check that everyone in attendance was an Alba supporter.

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    4. 8.57. I am not aware that there was any welcoming of unionist representatives by any of the crowd. Why do you make up stuff like that? It’s clear you don’t like Alba but why make up lies.

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  6. Did they boo Lord Foulkes ? Gordon Brown?- the truth is it was a memorial service and those who were there on the street supposedly to commemorate Alex Salmond should have respected the ceremony. What low life to boo at a family memorial. No manners. Still BBC news enjoyed showing it.

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    1. Neither Brown nor Foulkes turned against him. Politics doesn't have to be personal - some people make it personal. There's a fair few of SNP members who don't think much of the way they have behaved either, not everyone who saw what happened is an ALBA member, some just have their eyes open.

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    2. Neither Brown nor Foulkes turned against him. Politics doesn't have to be personal - some people make it personal. There's a fair few of SNP members who don't think much of the way they have behaved either, not everyone who saw what happened is an ALBA member, some just have their eyes open.

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    3. Tbh I feel like things have gotten too partition. The best politicians have opponents they disagree with on certain issues rather than enemies. You can disagree with someone politically but still hold them in a high regard and share mutual respect etc.

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  7. an enemy is an enemy, but a traitor is something worse

    I see wee nikki had a nice day out with her girlfriend

    asian babes, one for the old spankers

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  8. Whether you rejoin the SNP or not, is completely up to you, James.
    But FFS clear out the low-life verminous SCUM, like the ones above, from your site.

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