This is something I've been saying about the SNP for years, including prior to the spring of 2021 when I was still a member of the party. I simply cannot understand how the SNP leadership can justify insisting on iron discipline among the rank-and-file membership, with a view to winning as many votes and seats as possible, and with the implication that a lost seat here or there could make all the difference to independence, when the leadership themselves are quite happy to needlessly chuck valuable seats away like confetti if the fancy takes them. How many times has this happened now? In the middle of the 2019 general election campaign, they hung Neale Hanvey out to dry over extremely tenuous and dubious allegations of antisemitism, which if I recall correctly were mainly about an article he tweeted or retweeted without checking carefully enough. 95 times out of 100, that ludicrous over-reaction from the SNP would have led to Labour winning the Kirkcaldy & Cowdenbeath constituency by default, but amazingly we got away with it on that occasion. What should have happened, of course, is that Neale Hanvey should have put out an agreed apology for being a little bit careless with what he tweeted, but other than that the SNP should have stood by their man and stressed they were certain of his good faith. What were they so afraid of? OK, they might have faced spurious accusations of "institutionalised antisemitism" from the usual quarters, but that only becomes a problem if you make it one. Very few votes are swung by that sort of thing if you simply face it down.
Then there was the Margaret Ferrier episode. If the SNP had stood by her, it wouldn't necessarily have guaranteed that she'd have avoided being removed from her position, but she certainly would have had a much better chance. As it is we have the grotesque spectacle of the SNP actively campaigning - they're literally one of two officially registered anti-Ferrier campaigners along with Labour - for a by-election to be held that they know is highly likely to lead to a pro-independence MP being replaced by a Labour MP.
And now they seem to be hellbent on also throwing away the Na h-Eileanan an Iar constituency, which they've held since 2005, long before their 2015 breakthrough, and which they previously held between 1970 and 1987. Indeed, in the 1970 general election, it was the one and only constituency that they won anywhere in Scotland. This is heartland territory that they suddenly seem to think is expendable for some reason. It's all so pointless - why pick sides in a personal dispute between two MPs? Angus MacNeil clearly felt that Brendan O'Hara had bullied him and that he was merely standing up for himself, so by suspending only Mr MacNeil for a week, the leadership were bound to look like they were enabling and endorsing bullying, and they could reasonably have expected Mr MacNeil to start considering his options as a result. But even once he did that, he left himself a clear potential route back, which the leadership have now stupidly closed off by initiating proceedings likely to lead to his expulsion. What does it matter if they think they're technically following the rule book? There was a much stronger case, based on crystal-clear precedents, for suspending Nicola Sturgeon, Colin Beattie and Peter Murrell after the arrests, but they somehow managed to come up with excuses for giving those three people a free pass.
Make no mistake, Angus MacNeil may suffer as a result of this but the SNP will suffer even more - ultimately it's themselves they're punishing, not him. He's made clear he will stand for re-election no matter what happens, which presumably means if he is expelled he will be standing either as an independent candidate or under the Alba banner. Either of those scenarios would make the constituency practically unwinnable for the SNP. Na h-Eileanan an Iar is one of the very, very few constituencies in Scotland (or anywhere in the UK for that matter) where people choose how to vote as much on the basis of the candidate as on the basis of the party. After eighteen years in harness, Angus MacNeil is highly likely to have a sizeable personal vote which he will carry over either to Alba or to his independent campaign. Precisely how sizeable is anyone's guess, but what will probably ensue is a two-horse race between Mr MacNeil and Labour, who are also fielding a very well-known (if rather controversial) candidate in the shape of Torcuil Crichton. The absolute best-case scenario for the SNP might be to finish as runners-up to Labour, with Mr McNeil a strong third.
Incidentally, if Mr McNeil is expelled, I very much hope he stands for Alba rather than as an independent. Whatever he achieves as an independent candidate, no matter how remarkable, would be localised and strictly time-limited. Whereas if he was to hold the seat as an official Alba candidate, that would have the potential to be a transformational moment for Scottish politics as a whole.
There should be a cinema ad campaign where a shopper in a supermarket is about to pick up some meat with a Union Jack on it, and somebody stops them, saying "If it's got a Jack...", and then all the other customers turn around in unison and shout "...PUT IT BACK!"
— James Kelly (@JamesKelly) July 15, 2023
The Spectator and GB News would both have a collective nervous breakdown. It would be soooooooo funny.
— James Kelly (@JamesKelly) July 15, 2023
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Sturgeon's gang have been disastrous for Scottish independence and the SNP as a party of independence. I really don't know why if the SNP don't care about losing it's MPs why should I care about voting for them particularly when my MP is Oswald who is one of the worst of Sturgeon's gang. After all I stopped believing a vote for the SNP was a vote for independence years ago.
ReplyDeletethere is talk of a local pro independence party starting on the islands, it might be that he joins or is affiliated with that, he has a good name in the Islands, but many I have spoken to in south Uist when I was there said they were pretty perplexed as to why he has been so quiet on the subject of the ferries. Another point is that Alba is still marmite for indie supporters why fracture a personal following, it seems like as Alba advocated, a Scotland united platform would be a way forward? I think out with keeping there two current MP's and maybe Margaret Ferrier there only hope is the Scottish election, but by then it might be that it will be yes candidates on the ticket. The fact is unless the SNP d a deal, which I can only see happening if Kate became leader? then the SNP will contest it even if a high profile candidate. oddly the two sitting Alba MP's might survive due to the F you SNP vote, (if they have voter I.D that is!) but they would almost have a better chance as independents on a yes ticket than with Alba? it all depends on the perception of Alex. if HY as a negative approval rating, then rightly or wrongly, (and very wrongly in my view) Alex many levels below that, but he has been getting a lot more positive exposure of late, except from hardline SNP and unionists. if in some fashion or another he can push his ideas in the party then it would be better for the movement if he turned the SNP in the right direction from the grass roots and Kate or Ash supporters than Alba. If Alba had done a bit better in the Scottish elections or council then maybe, but for now he might be better to help redirect the SNP, or stand on an island platform and co-operate with Alba, Scotland united as they say.
ReplyDelete"oddly the two sitting Alba MP's might survive due to the F you SNP vote"
DeleteIf anyone seriously thinks the F you SNP vote is anything like big enough for that, they're caught in a social media bubble, or they've been watching "Thru a Scottish Prism" too often (to be clear, more than zero times is too often). The only slim hope the two Alba MPs have got is to act like American congressmen and build up a really strong personal relationship with their constituents.
They (the SNP under Sturgeon and now Yousaf) essentially consider any seat outwith the central belt to be expendable.
ReplyDeleteMore self inflicted wounds. If Labour had the sense to offer some decent, additional devolutionary powers they could probably bust the SNP.
ReplyDeleteIt would be incredible if the SNP held the Western Isles seat at the next general election given the ferry scandal.
ReplyDeleteI never buy anything with a 'Butchers Pinny' on it and I make sure that other customers hear me sayng so when I put it back. In relation to Angus, it is obvious that the SNP is no longer a Party of Independence.I hope Alba stands candidates in all Constituencies as I can no longer stomach voting for the SNP - It is now A Party of English Rule.
ReplyDeleteHe'd be better standing under a separate Highlands & Islands Party banner than as an independent. I can see the appeal of a loose party which seeks to stand only in a half dozen constituencies to maximise the political awareness of issues in H&I. A decent showing (>10%) at a WM GE would have the SNP shitting themselves at the next HR election. No bad thing in the wider "get yourselves sorted out" angle.
ReplyDeleteThat's fine as long as the Highlands & Islands party is explicitly pro-independence. It would be a pointless exercise (indeed it would be totally counter-productive) if it's not.
DeleteHighlands & Islands banner a bad idea as will split vote.
DeleteI read this blog with a great deal of joy these days. It goes from strength to strength, and as proof of that, you need look no further than the contributions of Alt Clut, who is a fabulous addition to the BTL discussion.
ReplyDeleteSadly, in contrast to that, we have the article in yesterday's National by Mike Russell, who has hit a new low and clearly has absolutely nothing positive to offer the independence debate. He has some kind of brass neck accusing Angus MacNeil of "running away" when the SNP leadership have literally just instigated expulsion proceedings against MacNeil. What has gone so wrong with a once great party?
" What has gone so wrong with a once great party? " Sturgeon.
DeleteAnd congratulations on the ongoing success of your fundraiser, James, great to see the total gradually creeping up and up. It seems there's still a place for thoughtful, independent analysis that is neither howling at the moon (Wings) nor mindlessly loyal to a careerist SNP leadership that is steering the party onto the rocks. I hope to chip in £20 in a couple of weeks.
Delete" What has gone so wrong with a once great party? " Sturgeon.
DeleteI think it's more institutional. As a party becomes successful, more and more careers come to depend on it, and with that grows the internal pressure to suppress any actions that could rock the boat. Pretty much the story of the Labour party.
This is one of the reasons I'm sceptical of the idea that we should look to Alba to supplant the SNP; if that happened, why wouldn't they succumb to exactly the same phenomenon?
Keaton it is the leader who can prevent what you describe happening or facilitate it. Sturgeon facilitated it. It didn't happen under Salmond when he led the SNP so it is reasonable to think it would not happen with him leading Alba ( but I do accept that it could happen, particularly if Salmond was replaced as Alba leader by someone like Sturgeon.)
DeleteA lot of bile and muck-raking about Angus MacNeil by the more extreme of SNP members. All that does is make moderates think twice, but hope the extremists aren't typical.
ReplyDeleteHaving the President turn so nastily on an SNP politician already suspended from membership is likely to put people off from voting from a party that so lacks support for its representatives. Ferrier is an example of that, she probably received so little support from her "colleagues" in the Westminster group she fled (wrongly) for home. Cherry of course another. I thought Flynn would be different, he's worse than Blackford. A sycophantic inert stooge.
Broad church, my hairy one.
However, perhaps MacNeil has set the heather alight and the SNP in hiding will have to actually do something like make 2024 a de facto referendum and lay their jobs on the line, Until that day my MP, Patricia Gibson, will not be getting my vote. I'll be writing "INDEPENDENCE" diagonally across my ballot sheet. Hence my new avatar you can see on WGD, that's if any posts are left after most being deleted for complaining about the sun-style muck-raking.
Good luck Angus MacNeil, you are our last hope!
I like your new avatar. I'm surprised the big dug hasn't cancelled you yet. I'm also surprised re your avatar I thought it might be a battleship or a bath. As I posted some time ago if there is no party supporting Scottish independence eg Alba for me to vote for in my constituency I will be writing independence across my ballot paper.
DeleteIf Sturgeon or, indeed, any of her gang were interested in independence she could have made the 2021 Holyrood election a de facto independence referendum. She could have called a Holyrood de facto referendum in 2022. She could have even kept her promise and held a Holyrood de facto in Oct 23. Ubelievably, a WGD numpty posts that Sturgeon did have a referendum in Oct 23 but Westminster stopped it. Can these people be any more stupid? - is a question that I have wondered for years now and the answer always seems to be yes. It is not Westminster stopping a referendum it is SNP/ WGD numpties.
ReplyDeleteThe Sturgeon worshippers are moaning that Sturgeon didn't get investigated by the polis without anyone knowing. It should have all been kept private they whine. These are the people who leaked and were happy for the unfair, unlawful and tainted by apparent bias report details to be given to the Daily Record. No concern for Salmond's privacy.
ReplyDeleteUnbelievably, the mad dog on WGD, Dr Jim, claims Sturgeon treated herself the same way she treated Michelle Thomson. I don't remember Thomson getting flowers from the SNP. In fact I don't remember Thomson being arrested and interviewed by the polis for 7 hours either but she got suspended by Sturgeon from the SNP for about 2 years and lost her seat as an MP. Is Sturgeon suspended - NO.
Britnats lie all the time but they also tell plenty whoppers on WGD. They also post comments on the Sturgeon investigation that could be seen as contempt of court.
YouGov, attitudes towards EU, field work 13 - 14th July.
ReplyDeleteExcluding don’t knows and wouldn’t vote, Scots would rejoin EU by a 43% margin of victory.
Up from 24% margin of victory to Remain in 2016.
As Sir Kid Starver signals a manifesto to the Right of PM John Major, the time’s now.
If only ….
A policy for Indy Scotland to join EFTA rather than full EU membership could take add another couple of points.
So basically speaking I'm now blocked from posting on WGD unless whoever decides what alternate dimension we're in this week they like my posting and it fits the version of character assassination they want to exist below the line there. Here's the latest which is currently "Your comment is awaiting moderation."
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"A useful tool is "Tools" on the google toolbar. If you click on that you'll see "Any time"; you can scroll down and click on "Custom range". There you can enter any range of dates you like, such as "1 Jan 2012 – 30 Sept 2014". It's not perfect, as often pages have other articles linked on the page and they could be recent ones. The trick by the way is to click on any pair of dates for "from" and "to" then you can enter manually.
But if for instance after selecting the date range, you put into google search, wait for it, wait for it, "Angus MacNeil yes scotland" or some other keywords, you'll get a whole load of entries, and patience would show that he actually did quite a lot during the Indy Ref, and looking at the hansard entries will show that as one of Scotland's only 6 MPs who supported independence, he took any chance basically of mentioning Independence in those hollowed halls."
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