The Holyrood and Westminster voting intention numbers from the new Find Out Now poll for The National have been released, and I have an analysis piece in The National which you can read HERE.
From a pro-independence point of view the numbers are nothing short of stupendous. The pro-indy parties are projected to win 72 seats in the next Scottish Parliament, which is not only a very comfortable majority, it's also exactly the same number that was won at the 2021 election when all in the garden was rosy. If you'd asked back in July, you'd have got very, very long odds against a poll like this appearing within this calendar year, and the fact that it has done (albeit with only a couple of days to spare) is testament to just how catastrophic Keir Starmer's first few months in power have been.
Scottish Parliament constituency ballot:
SNP 35%
Labour 19%
Conservatives 15%
Reform UK 11%
Liberal Democrats 9%
Greens 7%
Alba 2%
Scottish Parliament regional list ballot:
SNP 26%
Labour 17%
Conservatives 14%
Greens 13%
Reform UK 11%
Liberal Democrats 10%
Alba 6%
Seats projection: SNP 54, Labour 19, Conservatives 16, Greens 15, Liberal Democrats 12, Reform UK 10, Alba 3
PRO-INDEPENDENCE PARTIES: 72 SEATS
ANTI-INDEPENDENCE PARTIES: 57 SEATS
PRO-INDEPENDENCE MAJORITY OF 15 SEATS
Scottish voting intentions for the next UK general election:
SNP 34%
Labour 20%
Reform UK 15%
Conservatives 14%
Liberal Democrats 9%
Greens 6%
Seats projection: SNP 41, Labour 8, Liberal Democrats 5, Conservatives 3
The Westminster numbers continue the theme of things reverting to how they were before, because the seats projection is strikingly similar to the SNP landslide victory of 2019, albeit Labour would retain more of a foothold than they had in that election.
It has to be said, though, that the phenomenal pro-indy seat numbers are being run up on relatively modest SNP vote shares. How is that proving possible? Well, the Greens are doing a lot of the heavy lifting at the Scottish Parliament - their projected 15 seats would be easily their all-time high, and would put them only just behind both Labour and the Tories. A significant amount of the bumper Green support seems to come direct from people who might otherwise be voting SNP, with 17.8% of SNP voters from this year's general election saying they will vote Green on the Holyrood list.
But of course the Greens are playing no role at all in the projected pro-indy majority in Westminster seats - that's purely down to the wonders of the first-past-the-post electoral system. The SNP's Westminster vote has only recovered by four percentage points since July, but that's more than enough for a huge landslide victory when the unionist vote is as nicely split as it currently is.
The Reform surge is now working firmly in the SNP's favour in both parliaments. Farage's party is eating into the support of unionist parties far more than into SNP support. Just 2% of the SNP's general election voters would now vote Reform in a Westminster vote, compared to 11.5% of Labour voters and 18.7% of Tory voters. That differential obviously boosts the number of SNP seats in a first-past-the-post Westminster election, but actually to a lesser extent the same effect is felt at Holyrood. If Reform help the SNP to win Holyrood constituency seats, that is not always going to be fully offset by compensatory seats for unionist parties on the list.
One thing that may frustrate the SNP is the limited success they're having in winning voters back direct from Labour. A remarkable 45% of people who voted Labour in July say they would not do so again in another general election, but only 9.8% would now vote SNP. The biggest single beneficiaries are actually Reform UK, who take 11.5% of Labour votes.
Would it be dreadfully unkind of me to point out that on the 3rd of December, Stuart Campbell said -
"We’re going to call this one early: there is zero prospect of a pro-indy majority after the next Holyrood election. None. Barring a nuclear war or an alien invasion or some equally implausible revolutionary event, it’s simply not happening"
- and that two polls have been published in the month since, both pointing to a pro-indy majority after the next Holyrood election? Campbell's dwindling band of defenders assure us that he "always gets the big calls right", but that must be in some alternate universe in which these last two opinion polls never happened, where Joe Biden never became US President, where Humza Yousaf never became First Minister, and most of all where Kezia Dugdale lost that court case.
I mean, it's fine to get predictions wrong - we all do from time to time. But when you claim total infallibility, and when in reality you're just saying anything that will drain the morale of what is supposedly "your own side", I don't think it's unreasonable to hold you to account when you're as badly caught out as you have been in this case. There may or may not be a pro-indy majority after 2026, but the idea that it's an impossibility now looks ludicrous beyond words.
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How would the Greens get 15 seats with 7% when they got 8% last time?
ReplyDeleteBecause they have 13% on the list ballot. The 7% is on the constituency ballot.
DeleteSorry only read first past the post 🙄
ReplyDeleteEncouraging polls for the SNP for the Scottish and Westminster parliaments and nice to see ALBA on this poll has made a small breakthrough for the Scottish parliament.
ReplyDeleteBack to the SNP, their vote hasn't increased that much and its more to do with the rest of the pack collapsing and part of it going to Reform.
With Reform polling in the mid teens in Scotland and even higher in England then I think the days where a party wins over 40% of the national vote are long over.
I'm very much a real person.
DeleteThese are encouraging sets of numbers.
ReplyDeleteJohn Swinney, hear our cry: DE FACTO NOW.
Agree 100%
DeleteAnon@11:51am,
DeleteWell said, couldnae agree more.
Swinney needs to show guts and go for it. Clearly we’ve got the numbers.
De facto in 2026, with a determined effort between now and then to promote the clear benefits, financial and political of Independence from London. And also court action against U K govt for losses sustained in Scotland as a consequence of being prejudiced by the preferential treatment afforded N I in the Brexit agreement. It is a clear breach of the Internal Market Legislation. It should have been litigated long before now but better late than never. And in the interim, direct confrontation over electricity supply. Identify and establish direct supply routes to pilot areas in Scotland where infrastructure permits, and give significantly reduced bills to those in these areas. Unlawful? Yes. But show people through action how something as basic as fuel bills can be hugely improved in an Independent Scotland and you are pushing against an open door. Confrontation is inevitable. Let’s get to it.
DeleteHas John Swinney done anything to indicate that he's a bold risk taker?
DeleteSWINNEY, DO THE DE FACTO CALYPSO, BABY
DeleteAnon at 1.30. The suspense is killing us. Well has he ? It’s your question. Give us your answer.
DeleteNo. He's cautious & risk-averse.
DeleteIf you wanted someone to do something bold like make the 2026 election a de-facto referendum then he's not the right leader for this moment but unfortunately he's the leader we've got.
All these comments demanding a de defacto referendum are surely trouble making Yoons.
DeleteSNP on mid 30s % at best tells you how likely the de facto route is now. It will bury the constitutional question forever if the SNP return less than the 45% Yes achieved in 2014. Probably WM 2017 was when it would've been the perfect time.
SNP & independence aren't one and the same.
DeleteA de-facto referendum would be exactly that: Voting for independence. How the SNP are polling doesn't matter in that context, it's how independence is polling that would matter.
The country is crying out for a de facto referendum NOW.
DeleteNo it’s not. You are. A de facto referendum now would fail. I told you at 12.52 what needs to be done. Get to it by pressurising your SNP representatives, at whatever level.
Deleteits nearly Hogmanay - lets everyone just enjoy. Independence for Scotland will never be defeated.
ReplyDeletebbc scotchland up to their malicious statements again claiming the new ferry to be used by the public soon produces more green house gases. They have asked a Prof Tristan from London. What a set up by the biased broadcaster. The old and new ferries are not like for like as the new ferry is much larger in size and power. Seems the bbc is trying to compare a single deck old diesel bus with a double decker electric one. The amount of hot air emanating from Pacific Quay has not been calculated as yet. Disgraceful journalism again. NUJ must be embarrassed or complicit.
ReplyDeleteYes, I read that too. They've quite clearly started with the SNP bad figures they wanted and worked backwards to a meaningless starting point comparing entirely different vessels.
DeleteShhh, I’m listening for the high speed train for “ Britain” coming down the tracks.
DeleteIFS is absolutely raging lol
ReplyDeleteYou must have a very boring life if that fantasy excites you so much.
Delete1.18pm- did your parents give you your first tablet for Christmas?
DeleteThe perfect end to the year.
ReplyDeleteSNP and YES have bounced back well and Ranjurs are a full 15 points
(including goal difference) behind.
No wonder the Flag-Shagging-Anon-Yoon-Bots are in meltdown 😂😂😂
Mine again.
DeleteNeed to slow down my postings 😂
Wrong.
DeleteTry harder, sonny.
Ta.
Dave Francis talking to himself!
DeleteNever a good sign.
Wrong.
DeleteJames deleted the Anon Yoon Post I was replying to.
BTW - Given the choice of talking to myself, or to dross like you, I would always choose the former.
No offence, like.........
At least nobody else has to listen to him😁
DeleteEven the queen thinks the Britnat unionist muppets in Scotland are arseholes.
DeleteYou hae tae laugh at some o the stuff Dave Francis posts!
DeleteI mean, @1:19 he claims the SNP hae bounced back well!
I wonder if he’s referring to the 35, 26 or 34% share of the vote, or is it all 3?
Only an idiot or an ignoramus would refer to those figures in isolation. Oh wait.
DeleteConsider the air punched.
DeleteYoon-Annon @ 6:07 congratulating it's wee self at 6:05.
DeletePriceless!
What! I’m anon at 6.05 and how you could construe my comment as yoon inspired is a mystery. Take a wee rest David and stay off the sherry. Silly boy, but not a silly billy. The queen thinks the silly billies are arseholes.
DeleteI don’t think DF is the sharpest.
DeleteIt's clearly driven you crazy.
ReplyDeleteAs James states. The quirk of the electrical system for Holyrood means there is a sweet spot for Reform and to a lesser extent Green votes that can really help the SNP. Assuming SNP do well on FPTP.
ReplyDeleteThe elephant in the room, and it's possibly only the second time ever I've used that expression, is that Reform UK have no history of being elected in Scotland, which means that voting behaviour in the elections themselves might bear no resemblance to the opinion polls.
ReplyDeleteWhich would make the 11% for constituencies and even that for the list, up for grabs. With the right message, like Independence with its prospective POSITIVE economic reform, the SNP could actually manage to grab a substantial share of that, even up to 50% or more, as it quite possibly was their vote in 2019 and 2021, that got fed up with them.
In general though, the SNP percentages are nothing to write home about, and would need a fair bit more it seems tome, to match the over-egging by the pollsters.
Having said that, it makes for very good headlines scant hours before the end of the year - the national had a prominent position again in my nearest supermarket. The timing is perfect.